PS The new group that I control can be reached at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sarfatti_Physics_Seminars/
I did not moderate the old SarfattiScienceSeminars with 200 members.
Someone unknown set it up and now has apparently taken it down?
On Jan 20, 2004, at 2:42 PM, jacobsarfatti wrote:
bcc
No I did not. Thanks. Also Sladale who worked on the WOW signal with
Kraus at Ohio State back then is in contact with me. I did not see the
attachment. Nick Herbert worked for Kraus also?
On Jan 20, 2004, at 12:51 PM, S-P & M-M Sirag wrote:
Jack,
Did you notice that the 1988 paper B... .... sent is by Jim Corum, et
alia ;-). And Jim was a student of John Kraus, who built the "Big Ear" radio
telescope in Ohio -- the one that got the "WOW" signal.
Remember that Jim took the UFO phenomenon seriously -- as we do.
Nuff said!
Saul-Paul
Subject: Re: Schumann resonance cavity for an Electromagnetic
Distribution and
Propulsion System
Date: Tue, Jan 20, 2004, 12:10 PM
Thanks for the response. I have no numbers, except maybe from paper ref.
and comments (not mine) mentioned at bottom. Just an idea for now.
I thought that the available energy would not be enough. Perhaps the needed
energy could be induced with radiating stations (using amplification by
stimulated emission of radiation) and maybe make use of the 400KV potential
difference from the ionosphere to the surface of the earth.
JS: No, IMHO that is not the way to go at all. :-) I suggest you join my new
Sarfatti_Physics_Seminars@yahoogroups.com to keep up with advanced technical
developments in "metric engineering" relevant to the new Bush Manned
Space Program,
though the ostensible planners are focusing on "conventional technology"
in the short term.
What we are working on is "exotic technology".
Also check out
http://qedcorp.com/APS/EmergentGravity.pdf
http://qedcorp.com/APS/StarDrive1.mov
and my book
Space-Time and Beyond II (2002) on Amazon.
Oh, I see Corum's idea I think is to use the Schuman resonance as a kind
of power transmission line with a conventional ground source?
Even if something like that could work, I do not know, it begs the
question of deep space flight to the Stars and Beyond including time travel.
You can see me give a short talk on all that in Paramount Pictures DVD
of Star Trek IV, The Voyage Home, Special Collector's Edition Disk 2
"Time Travel: The Art of the Possible" also on Learning Channel's "Ultra
Science: Time Travel" with David Deutsch.
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PROCEEDINGS of the 1988 INTERNATIONAL TESLA SYMPOSIUM, 1988, edited by
Steven R. Elswick, BSEE, Mem.IEEE, published by the International Tesla
Society, ISBN 0-9620394-2-X, chapter 3, pp1-16, "Concerning Cavity Q" James
F. Corum, Ph.D., Kenneth L. Corum, Craig Spaniol, PhD, PE.
"Abstract"
"In this note we discuss the issue of low Q for the Schumann cavity and its
effect on global power distribution. We deter- mined that the observed Q is
attributable to shunt atmospheric conductivity, and as such is equivalent
to the excitation loss of conventional power transformers. We conclude that
low Q is not an issue of substance for global power distribution in Tesla's
system."
To accurately paraphrase, they included excitation and resistance losses
and determined that even though the earth is far from "perfectly
conducting" it conducts resonate current rather well.
"We suggest that Tesla, although he was one of the pioneers of distributed
tuned resonance and was here dealing with a cavity resonator, would have
approached the terrestial resonator from a power engineer's perspective. As
with the power transformers and distribution elements of his 60 Hertz
system, Tesla would have wanted to determine both the propagation and the
equi- valent shunt losses of the terrestrial resonator system. As a power
engineer, the Colorado Springs ELF experiments led him to conclude that
both are inconsequential."
Remember that Tesla designed the 60 cycle power grid, and never backed down
from his statement that the worldwide wireless system was even more
efficient. Corum, Corum and Spaniol concluded that the more power pumped
through the wireless system the better. The calculated losses remain rather
constant regardless of the amount of power conducted.
In a later paper (same reference, Chapter 3, pp17-23) John F. Sutton
(Goddard Space Flight Center) and Dr. Spaniol (referenced above): " A
Measurement of the Magnetic Earth-Ionosphere Cavity Resonances in the 3 -
30 Hz. Range "
"It is a common complaint that low cavity Q's imply that one of Tesla's
greatest schemes, wireless transmission of power on a global scale, would
be impractical. In their paper [see above] "Concerning Cavity Q," Corum,
Corum, and Spaniol point out that low cavity Q's do not necessarily limit
the practicality of such a system. Our current measurements indicate that
the cavity Q's are one or two orders of magnitude higher than previously
estimated and therefore would not be a limitation in any case."
I should mention: These cavity Q measurements include the resistance of the
conductor (earth) at the frequency measured. Dr. Spaniol was using very
good equipment (able to detect lightning strikes on the far side of the
planet). One problem with Schumann's measurements of the 1950's, and
Rycroft's measurements of the 1960's was the low resolution of the
available detection equipment at these ELF and VLF frequencies. Dr. Spaniol
states that using Rycroft's scope (sweep frequency analyzer) it was
impossible to measure a Q factor above 8 at a resonate frequency of 8
Hertz. Want some hard numbers?
"Figures 6 and 7 are plots of resonances at 25.00 Hz and 35.96 Hz,
respectively, both with Q's of approximately 600. Figure 8 is a plot of an
8.4 Hz cavity resonance response with a Q of at least 100. Figure 9 is a
cavity response at 19 Hz just resolved above the noise level. It has a Q of
at least 1,000."
At 11:48 AM 1/20/2004 -0800, jacobsarfatti wrote:
On Jan 20, 2004, at 10:11 AM, Brian W. Farmer wrote:
(Please see the attached document for a diagram)
Has anyone ever considered an Electromagnetic Distribution and Propulsion
System using ELF (Extremely Low Frequency), 3 Hz-50 Hz, of the Schumann
Resonance (SR) cavity?
Off hand, I doubt there is enough available energy there to be tapped?
Also, at best that would be an impulse EM stress drive with g-forces not a
weightless warp drive like in Alcubierre's toy metric. We are working on
"metric engineering", i.e. controlling the local space-time geometry of
the ship so that it literally "free floats" in "zero g" whilst executing
seemingly impossible "dog fight" maneuvers.
Background
Between the earth's terrestrial surface and ionosphere, a resonating
cavity is formed. Broadband electromagnetic impulses, like those from
lightning flashes, fill this cavity and create globally the so-called SR
at frequencies 5 - 50 Hz (Schumann, 1952; Bliokh et al., 1980). The
nominal average frequencies observed are 7.8, 14, 20, 26, 33, 39, and 45
Hz with slight diurnal variation. Applications have been generally
applied with a long wire antenna (tether) from the space shuttle for both
electric power generation and ELF signal radiation (Grossi, 1982).
Yes, but Too(EM) ~ E^2 + B^2 much too weak I suspect. Have you looked at
the numbers? If you have more detailed studies I would certainly want to
take a look. :-)
Risk and Payoff:
Interesting possibilities could exist in the "Access to Space" NASA
mission area with:
ELF ASER (amplification by stimulated emission of radiation), EASER, for
electromagnetic powered and guided flight assistance to/from space/earth.
Accomplished by one tether in space and/or one/two antennas on the
surface of the earth, using a directional standing wave.
References
Bliokh, P. V., A. P. Nikolaenko, and Y. F. Filippov, Schumann Resonances
in the Earth-
Ionosphere Cavity, Peter Perigrinus, London, 1980.
Grossi, M.D., 1982. New technology for ELF radiators: a review of
airborne, rocket borne and
space borne antennas. In: Medium Long and Very Long Wave Propagation.
AGARD Conference Proceedings, Vol. 305, pp. 41.1-41.18.
Schumann, W. O., Uber die strahlungslosen Eigenschwingungen einer
leitenden Kugel, die von
einer Luftshicht und einer Ionosphärenhulle umgeben ist, Z. Naturforsch
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