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"Johan" |
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09 Oct 2004 10:15:34 AM |
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Noble peace prize winner about Aids |
In a Swedish newspaper she says "Aids is created to eradicate Black people"
Hereīs the link. Maybe you can do searches in other newspapers or ask media
if they can write about it since this is in Swedish.
http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyheter/story/0,2789,544503,00.html
Here are other sites i have found. Many professors are not allowed to
research if they donīt agree on what today is accepted as facts. Seems like
it is the "medicine" that is the BIG threat to the immune system. Just
regular vitamins could solve the problem some say.
http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/
Peter Duesberg is a Professor in molecular and cellular biology:
http://www.duesberg.com
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| User: "Joe" |
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| Title: Re: Noble peace prize winner about Aids |
09 Oct 2004 09:42:12 PM |
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***** THE NOBEL PRIZE!!!!
[I'm just joking.]
But seriously, here is one from Duesberg (from one of your links):
/*
Duesberg started questioning HIV in 1987. He claims there is no
virological, nor epidemiological, evidence to back-up the HIV-AIDS
hypothesis. Instead, the virus is biochemically inactive and harmless,
and AIDS is not behaving as a contagious disease, he says.
*/
Why don't you undergo this little experiment? Get someone with HIV,
and inject yourself, refuse treatment, and document what happens? Or
if you think it can ce cured by vitamins, just take those instead.
(Why don't we ask Duesberg to do this? Why doesn't he do it, like the
guy who showed tomotaoes won't kill you, by eating a whole bunch of
tomatoes in public, and then not dying.) You don't have the balls? I
do! I know I'd die. I'll contact these guys and volunteer to sign up
for intentional injection of the virus, and then they can see what
happens. (Because these pussies won't do it themselves.) But I
swear, if they as so much as cook the results one bit, I'll fucking
rip their heads off. In this life or the next!
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| User: "Joe" |
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| Title: Re: Noble peace prize winner about Aids |
15 Oct 2004 06:47:56 PM |
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I have talked a little bit with some of these fellows. They have
pointed out that there was a guy, Willner, who gave himself (or
attmpted to) HIV to show it doesn't cause AIDS. But he died shortly
afterwards. (Unrelated to AIDS.) Of course, any search on NET will
show he had some pretty crazy ideas. Interestingly Duesberg lists a
little why he won't/can't do it (inject himself) at:
http://www.duesberg.com/faq.html
in question 16 so I guess to accuse him as a "*****" won't cut it.
I'm actually curious though of talking to more people about this. I
do have to confess though, that now that I think about it, I don't
think I have the balls to inject myself with HIV to prove it WILL kill
you. SO I guess I'm the *****. But you have to think, for one of
these guys to inject themselves with HIV to prove it DOESN'T kill you,
is certainly nobel of them to do so. But for me to do so, to prove to
them it DOES kill you, must surely be more noble. For I believe I
would be throwing away my life so they can see the folly of their
ideas, while they wouldn't be taking the same risk (or believe they
wouldn't). But I guess that's the problem with nobility, it can get
you killed.
There is however a nagging idea, and that is the promise of FAME. I
mean REAL fame, even if a little fleatingly. For example, this
Willner guy certainly got some fame, made some headlines, for
infecting himself with HIV. But I could do it too. I could infect
myself with HIV, I don't have to make it a public thing at first, I
can just go out and do it on my own. But I could spill out my
reasoning, to give good data that HIV DOES cause AIDS. I'm 28, never
had sex, never taken drugs, good career options on in
physics/math/engineering, and I could avoid all the other factors that
these anti-HIV/AIDS activists believe does lead to AIDS. And I can
refuse treatment. Then you guys could by word of mouth, slowly
propagate this fact and my little "experiment" and the purposes behind
it to others. I am convinced that what would start as a little
trickle, would turn into a torrent. And we could gain notoriety and
fame like TV, etc. from this. Maybe even a book deal, and a
made-for-TV movie. As well as benefitting science a little.
Everybody wants fame, I guess I include myself. And some people will
do anything to aqcuire it, including something like this. This is why
I haven't completely thrown out the idea. What do you think? Do you
think I should infect myself with HIV?
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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| Title: Re: Noble peace prize winner about Aids |
09 Oct 2004 03:21:13 PM |
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Johan wrote:
In a Swedish newspaper she says "Aids is created to eradicate Black people"
Hereīs the link. Maybe you can do searches in other newspapers or ask media
if they can write about it since this is in Swedish.
http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyheter/story/0,2789,544503,00.html
[snip]
How does she propose to make them butt ***** to transmit it?
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "Bjoern Feuerbacher" |
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09 Oct 2004 10:31:28 AM |
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Johan wrote:
In a Swedish newspaper she says "Aids is created to eradicate Black people"
Created by whom???
And how is this relevant in sci.physics?
Hereīs the link. Maybe you can do searches in other newspapers or ask media
if they can write about it since this is in Swedish.
http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyheter/story/0,2789,544503,00.html
Here are other sites i have found. Many professors are not allowed to
research if they donīt agree on what today is accepted as facts.
Care to support that assertion?
Seems like
it is the "medicine" that is the BIG threat to the immune system.
Why do you think so?
Just regular vitamins could solve the problem some say.
http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/
Do you believe everything you find on the Web?
A quote by a Nobel Prize winner on *chemistry* that there is no
scientific document demonstrates that HIV causes AIDS. Why do you think
that a biochemist is qualified to judge that?
A quote by one Dr. Saenger, who seems to be qualified - but AFAIK long
has been known as one of the *very* few professionals who stubbornly
refuse to accept the evidence for HIV causing AIDS.
"A growing group of bio-medical scientists claim the cause of AIDS is
still unknown."
Sounds exactly like the creationist mantra "A growing group of
biologists abandon evolution."
"Most of them think AIDS is also not sexually transmitted; it probably
has toxic causes."
Oh my goodness. Do these people go through the world with completely
closed eyes?
Peter Duesberg is a Professor in molecular and cellular biology:
http://www.duesberg.com
And he has some rather cranky ideas on his website, too.
Bye,
Bjoern
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| User: "Johan" |
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| Title: Re: Noble peace prize winner about Aids |
09 Oct 2004 11:15:29 AM |
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I did not say i believe it but there are many unanswered questions. Like why
are the tests i Africa not so precisely as in other places? And why are the
test based on antibodies? If we have more antibodies it means our immune
system has taken care of the problem. If we lower itīs capacity by eating
such drugs as azt the problem should be worse.
Sorry i just thought this was so very important so i posted here.
"Bjoern Feuerbacher" <feuerbac@thphys.uni-heidelberg.de> skrev i meddelandet
news:ck908g$s0k$1@news.urz.uni-heidelberg.de...
Johan wrote:
In a Swedish newspaper she says "Aids is created to eradicate Black
people"
Created by whom???
And how is this relevant in sci.physics?
Hereīs the link. Maybe you can do searches in other newspapers or ask
media
if they can write about it since this is in Swedish.
http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyheter/story/0,2789,544503,00.html
Here are other sites i have found. Many professors are not allowed to
research if they donīt agree on what today is accepted as facts.
Care to support that assertion?
Seems like
it is the "medicine" that is the BIG threat to the immune system.
Why do you think so?
Just regular vitamins could solve the problem some say.
http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/
Do you believe everything you find on the Web?
A quote by a Nobel Prize winner on *chemistry* that there is no
scientific document demonstrates that HIV causes AIDS. Why do you think
that a biochemist is qualified to judge that?
A quote by one Dr. Saenger, who seems to be qualified - but AFAIK long
has been known as one of the *very* few professionals who stubbornly
refuse to accept the evidence for HIV causing AIDS.
"A growing group of bio-medical scientists claim the cause of AIDS is
still unknown."
Sounds exactly like the creationist mantra "A growing group of
biologists abandon evolution."
"Most of them think AIDS is also not sexually transmitted; it probably
has toxic causes."
Oh my goodness. Do these people go through the world with completely
closed eyes?
Peter Duesberg is a Professor in molecular and cellular biology:
http://www.duesberg.com
And he has some rather cranky ideas on his website, too.
Bye,
Bjoern
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| User: "Creighton Hogg" |
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| Title: Re: Noble peace prize winner about Aids |
09 Oct 2004 12:28:32 PM |
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On Sat, 9 Oct 2004, Bjoern Feuerbacher wrote:
Johan wrote:
Seems like
it is the "medicine" that is the BIG threat to the immune system.
Just regular vitamins could solve the problem some say.
http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/
Do you believe everything you find on the Web?
A quote by a Nobel Prize winner on *chemistry* that there is no
scientific document demonstrates that HIV causes AIDS. Why do you think
that a biochemist is qualified to judge that?
A quote by one Dr. Saenger, who seems to be qualified - but AFAIK long
has been known as one of the *very* few professionals who stubbornly
refuse to accept the evidence for HIV causing AIDS.
The really frustrating thing is that head in the sand attitudes about AIDS
not being an STD, being cured by vitamins, etc. are what make it spread
rapidly.
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| User: "John C. Polasek" |
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| Title: Re: Noble peace prize winner about Aids |
10 Oct 2004 09:56:31 AM |
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On Sat, 9 Oct 2004 12:28:32 -0500, Creighton Hogg
<wchogg@hep.wisc.edu> wrote:
On Sat, 9 Oct 2004, Bjoern Feuerbacher wrote:
Johan wrote:
Seems like
it is the "medicine" that is the BIG threat to the immune system.
Just regular vitamins could solve the problem some say.
http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/
Do you believe everything you find on the Web?
A quote by a Nobel Prize winner on *chemistry* that there is no
scientific document demonstrates that HIV causes AIDS. Why do you think
that a biochemist is qualified to judge that?
A quote by one Dr. Saenger, who seems to be qualified - but AFAIK long
has been known as one of the *very* few professionals who stubbornly
refuse to accept the evidence for HIV causing AIDS.
The really frustrating thing is that head in the sand attitudes about AIDS
not being an STD, being cured by vitamins, etc. are what make it spread
rapidly.
No, what made it spread rapidly was the desperate invention of the
pleasant sounding acronym AIDS, which was quickly substituted after
the pestilence was discovered and initially given the name GRIDS
(gay-related immune deficiency syndrome).
The name GRIDS lasted less than a year before interested parties
changed the name.
The solution at that time should have been quarantine of the infected.
The net result would be that today you might have only 1% of the
current rate of infection.
After renaming it AIDS "the band played on" (the book about AIDS).
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| User: "Johan" |
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| Title: Re: Noble peace prize winner about Aids |
09 Oct 2004 02:37:03 PM |
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The money has more reasons to lie
"Creighton Hogg" <wchogg@hep.wisc.edu> skrev i meddelandet
news:Pine.LNX.4.44.0410091224240.25331-100000@dill.hep.wisc.edu...
On Sat, 9 Oct 2004, Bjoern Feuerbacher wrote:
Johan wrote:
Seems like
it is the "medicine" that is the BIG threat to the immune system.
Just regular vitamins could solve the problem some say.
http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/
Do you believe everything you find on the Web?
A quote by a Nobel Prize winner on *chemistry* that there is no
scientific document demonstrates that HIV causes AIDS. Why do you think
that a biochemist is qualified to judge that?
A quote by one Dr. Saenger, who seems to be qualified - but AFAIK long
has been known as one of the *very* few professionals who stubbornly
refuse to accept the evidence for HIV causing AIDS.
The really frustrating thing is that head in the sand attitudes about AIDS
not being an STD, being cured by vitamins, etc. are what make it spread
rapidly.
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| User: "Maleki" |
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| Title: Re: Noble peace prize winner about Aids |
11 Oct 2004 11:34:08 AM |
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On Sat, 09 Oct 2004 15:15:34 GMT, Johan wrote:
In a Swedish newspaper she says "Aids is created to eradicate Black people"
Someone who got the same "prize" that Menachem Begin
received would say that, wouldn't she.
--
emruz sarafrAziye dey rA honari nist
mibAyad azemsAl sokhan rAnd na az pAr
"Parvin E'tesami"
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| User: "Johan" |
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| Title: Re: Noble peace prize winner about Aids |
09 Oct 2004 04:12:46 PM |
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http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/tour/
Lets hope it is not true. Then evil is real
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