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"Jeff Relf" |
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16 Jul 2004 01:43:51 AM |
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Not enough time in the universe. |
Hi,
Re: Hawking's recent claim that he has solved
the black hole information paradox problem that
he introduced 30 years ago ( around 1974 )
when he expected that all information would be lost due to
Hawking radiation ( Which, by the way,
is called Unruh radiation when it's at the event horizon,
under the influence of infinite gravitational energy ).
Hawking recently said, <<
The way the information gets out seems to be that
a true event horizon never forms,
just an apparent horizon. >>
__ http://www.dcu.ie/~nolanb/gr17_plenary.htm
Some causal information would be revealed
when the black hole gets small enough and hot enough.
( Although, in many cases,
that might be around 10 ^ 9999 years from now )
That agrees with what I've been saying about black holes,
( as viewed by us humans ) They're never perfectly formed.
Even though a supernova-to-black-hole conversion
happens in a few seconds locally...
Due to gravitational time dilation,
when that event is observed by beings like us,
There's not enough time in the universe
for any black hole to fully form.
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| User: "Mitchell" |
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| Title: Re: Not enough time in the universe. |
16 Jul 2004 07:13:06 PM |
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Jeff Relf <Jeff_Relf_@_NCPlus.NET.Invalid> wrote in message news:<_Jeff_Relf_2004_Jul_15_lf6h@NCPlus.NET>...
Hi,
Re: Hawking's recent claim that he has solved
the black hole information paradox problem that
he introduced 30 years ago ( around 1974 )
when he expected that all information would be lost due to
Hawking radiation ( Which, by the way,
is called Unruh radiation when it's at the event horizon,
under the influence of infinite gravitational energy ).
Hawking recently said, <<
The way the information gets out seems to be that
a true event horizon never forms,
just an apparent horizon. >>
__ http://www.dcu.ie/~nolanb/gr17_plenary.htm
Some causal information would be revealed
when the black hole gets small enough and hot enough.
( Although, in many cases,
that might be around 10 ^ 9999 years from now )
That agrees with what I've been saying about black holes,
( as viewed by us humans ) They're never perfectly formed.
Even though a supernova-to-black-hole conversion
happens in a few seconds locally...
Due to gravitational time dilation,
when that event is observed by beings like us,
There's not enough time in the universe
for any black hole to fully form.
Like I have been saying there are no event horizons - only a limited
gravity.
You do not understand time as well as I thought Jeff.
Gravitational time slows down locally.
If where time slows down light slows down then everything else falling
slows down forever approaching a singularity but never quite making
it.
It would take forever.
What your talking about is local Jeff. There isn't any difference.
With all due respect,
Mitch Raemsch
-- Light Falls --
-- Time Moves --
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| User: "Jeff Relf" |
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| Title: The standard second/meter. |
16 Jul 2004 08:20:49 PM |
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Hi Mitchell,
Re: Special and general relativity,
You errored, saying <<
Gravitational time slows down locally. >>
Distant particles moving near the speed of light
are _ Known _ to have fewer " standard tics "
compared to those same standard tics
as measured by a local ( human ) observer.
The maxima of the Cesium maser in an atomic clock
are examples of standard tics...
They're used to define the standard second/meter.
Even though such clocks are too large to travel
at a large fraction of the speed of light,
given enough precision,
this effect can be observed for much slower objects,
such as the clocks in the GPS satellites.
And the reverse is true too,
Fast moving particles observe
that our ( human ) standard tics are both
longer in time and length,
Because the speed of light
is _ Known _ to be the same everywhere.
Now, Longer standard seconds/meters means
length contractions and time dilations.
That's special relativity.
Gravitational time dilation can be calculated
by using special relativity and imagining
an ideal free-fall from an infinite distance,
and then calculating how fast it would be falling
at some altitude.
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| User: "Jim Greenfield" |
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| Title: Re: The standard second/meter. |
18 Jul 2004 11:48:35 PM |
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Jeff Relf <Jeff_Relf_@_NCPlus.NET.Invalid> wrote in message news:<_Jeff_Relf_2004_Jul_16_elwu@NCPlus.NET>...
Hi Mitchell,
Re: Special and general relativity,
You errored, saying <<
Gravitational time slows down locally. >>
Distant particles moving near the speed of light
are _ Known _ to have fewer " standard tics "
compared to those same standard tics
as measured by a local ( human ) observer.
The maxima of the Cesium maser in an atomic clock
are examples of standard tics...
They're used to define the standard second/meter.
Even though such clocks are too large to travel
at a large fraction of the speed of light,
given enough precision,
this effect can be observed for much slower objects,
such as the clocks in the GPS satellites.
And the reverse is true too,
Fast moving particles observe
that our ( human ) standard tics are both
longer in time and length,
Because the speed of light
is _ Known _ to be the same everywhere.
Now, Longer standard seconds/meters means
length contractions and time dilations.
That's special relativity.
Gravitational time dilation can be calculated
by using special relativity and imagining
an ideal free-fall from an infinite distance,
and then calculating how fast it would be falling
at some altitude.
Mitch, NEVER turn out the light. If DHR's are correct, and photons
(light) speed controls time and length, then it would never come on
again (time stopped)!
The upside being, that Uncle Al would disappear up his own arse (I
wish...)
Jim G
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| User: "Jeff Relf" |
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| Title: General relativity is about information, not NaNs. |
19 Jul 2004 01:36:24 AM |
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Hi Jim Greenfield,
Re: Something about general relativity and light bulbs,
You joked, << If DHR's are correct,
and photons ( light ) speed controls time and length,
then it would never come on again ( time stopped ) ! >>
I don't know what a DHR is,
but you seem to be committing a horrible sin...
Confusing information about objects
with the objects themselves.
All information has a limited precision,
Infinity is Not a Number ( NaN )... That's a fact.
General relativity is about information, not NaNs.
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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16 Jul 2004 08:25:41 PM |
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Jeff Relf wrote:
Hi Mitchell,
The Sarfatti disease - rationalizing a stooopid unwanted post by
dropping a name.
Re: Special and general relativity,
You errored, saying <<
Gravitational time slows down locally. >>
Distant particles moving near the speed of light
are _ Known _ to have fewer " standard tics "
compared to those same standard tics
as measured by a local ( human ) observer.
Mewling idiot. Why are you trolling a Linux group? How many
small balls do you have?
[snip]
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "Jeff Relf" |
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| Title: Looking for the best way to browse threads. |
16 Jul 2004 08:42:00 PM |
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Hi Uncle Al,
You asked why I am, " trolling a Linux group ".
( And you were so very polite about it too )
I'm just killing time,
Talking to John Bailo and Spooky now and then.
I can't figure out how I want to browse threads in X.
( X is my homespun newsreader for Windows XP ).
Buy the way,
You should checkout Kadaitcha Gurl,
She is just like you.
( Only her balls are plastic, of course )
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| User: "John A. Bailo" |
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| Title: Re: Looking for the best way to browse threads. |
16 Jul 2004 10:50:05 PM |
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Jeff Relf wrote:
Hi Uncle Al,
You asked why I am, " trolling a Linux group ".
( And you were so very polite about it too )
I'm just killing time,
Talking to John Bailo and Spooky now and then.
I can't figure out how I want to browse threads in X.
( X is my homespun newsreader for Windows XP ).
Buy the way,
You should checkout Kadaitcha Gurl,
She is just like you.
( Only her balls are plastic, of course )
Here's something I would like to see.
The way I read a newsgroup is to first sort in reverse date order ( most
recent at the top ). Then I scan through and find ones that interest me.
At that point I want to maybe see some, or all, of the thread hierarchy.
But most newsreaders make that *really* awkward. They make you go into a
threaded mode, and hopefully, after the window repaints, you have a cursor
on the article you orginally read.
I suggest a /gentler/ approach.
From the article header, right click and have something that says, expand
article thread. And it shows, one node up and all the children of that
node -- or all children of the current node. But it doesn't repaint and
reorder all the headers -- nor does it show all the other threads and
certainly doesn't expand them.
Another idea -- show the thread articles as a diagram or flow chart -- so
have miniature pages with pointer arrows to the children and maybe in bold
show the date and author -- something like that...
--
http://kentpsychedelic.blogspot.com/
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| User: "Jeff Relf" |
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| Title: Designing is Hellish. |
17 Jul 2004 04:11:09 AM |
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Hi John A. Bailo ( Who ? ),
After first wiping your fingers on your pants,
You tapped, <<
Here's something I would like to see.
The way I read a newsgroup is
to first sort in reverse date order
( most recent at the top ).
Then I scan through and find ones that interest me.
At that point I want to maybe see some, or all,
of the thread hierarchy.
But most newsreaders make that * really * awkward.
They make you go into a threaded mode, and hopefully,
after the window repaints,
you have a cursor on the article you originally read.
I suggest a / gentler / approach.
From the article header,
right click and have something that says,
expand article thread.
And it shows,
one node up and all the children of that node --
or all children of the current node.
But it doesn't repaint and reorder all the headers --
nor does it show all the other threads
and certainly doesn't expand them. >>
Of course, you want your original list
to remain untouched and unthreaded.
Are you scoring by the seat of your pants ?
How do you know if someone is
replying to one of your messages ?
Anyways, When you select a message of interest...
Suppose a new tab appears,
showing that message along with it's siblings,
including all of their children.
( Thus leaving your original list untouched )
Perhaps the new list of messages in that new tab is
_ Also _ unthreaded ( sorted by most recent first ).
Obviously, if the message has no siblings,
then all you will see is it's children.
If it is the only reply, i.e. it has no siblings or children,
then the new tab could show the body of the message.
That process could then be repeated, opening new tabs,
going as deep into the thread as you might wish.
New tabs could always appear at the far left,
overflowing on the right,
a middle-click on any tab would close it,
bringing the leftmost tab into focus.
A double-click somewhere ( or a key ) would close all tabs.
You continued, << Another idea --
show the threaded articles as a diagram or flow chart --
so have miniature pages with pointer arrows to the children
and maybe in bold show the date and author --
something like that... >>
This is what I'd call a very zoomed-out view.
Maybe a middle-click to zoom out,
and a right-click to zoom in.
But the font's might get too small.
I need to ponder that some more.
To know how recent a message is, _ Comparatively _ ,
I've been thinking of replacing the date,
( which I now show near the left on the list of messages )
with the article number, only adjusted,
so that zero is the most recent article number.
e.g. If you told X to keep only 3 thousand headers
then the oldest article would be numbered 2,999.
Only I'd report it as a base 62 number ( or a percentage ? ),
0-9, A-Z, a-z, because that's just easier to read.
e.g. 2,999 in base 62 is written as, Mn. 0 is just 0.
I've also been thinking that some button could
report the next node in the forest of threads,
sorted by score and most recent.
For example, it might be something that I recently posted.
Or maybe a reply to me or something else with a high score.
But that report would also show it's five closest,
A. Siblings, B. Parents, and C. Children.
Up to 15 links, Any of which could be clicked on.
So I'm only looking at ( basically ) one message at a time,
I wouldn't ever be looking at all the threads.
This is a fairly zoomed-in view.
Perhaps X could have both my zoomed-in view,
and your more zoomed-out views.
I'm amazed at how hard it is to just program
( design, really ) a retarded newsreader.
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| User: "Bill [MSFT]" |
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17 Jul 2004 05:04:13 AM |
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Jeff Relf wrote:
Hi John A. Bailo ( Who ? ),
After first wiping your fingers on your pants,
You tapped, <<
Here's something I would like to see.
The way I read a newsgroup is
to first sort in reverse date order
( most recent at the top ).
Then I scan through and find ones that interest me.
At that point I want to maybe see some, or all,
of the thread hierarchy.
But most newsreaders make that * really * awkward.
They make you go into a threaded mode, and hopefully,
after the window repaints,
you have a cursor on the article you originally read.
I suggest a / gentler / approach.
From the article header,
right click and have something that says,
expand article thread.
And it shows,
one node up and all the children of that node --
or all children of the current node.
But it doesn't repaint and reorder all the headers --
nor does it show all the other threads
and certainly doesn't expand them. >>
Of course, you want your original list
to remain untouched and unthreaded.
Are you scoring by the seat of your pants ?
How do you know if someone is
replying to one of your messages ?
Anyways, When you select a message of interest...
Suppose a new tab appears,
showing that message along with it's siblings,
including all of their children.
( Thus leaving your original list untouched )
Perhaps the new list of messages in that new tab is
_ Also _ unthreaded ( sorted by most recent first ).
Obviously, if the message has no siblings,
then all you will see is it's children.
If it is the only reply, i.e. it has no siblings or children,
then the new tab could show the body of the message.
That process could then be repeated, opening new tabs,
going as deep into the thread as you might wish.
New tabs could always appear at the far left,
overflowing on the right,
a middle-click on any tab would close it,
bringing the leftmost tab into focus.
A double-click somewhere ( or a key ) would close all tabs.
You continued, << Another idea --
show the threaded articles as a diagram or flow chart --
so have miniature pages with pointer arrows to the children
and maybe in bold show the date and author --
something like that... >>
This is what I'd call a very zoomed-out view.
Maybe a middle-click to zoom out,
and a right-click to zoom in.
But the font's might get too small.
I need to ponder that some more.
To know how recent a message is, _ Comparatively _ ,
I've been thinking of replacing the date,
( which I now show near the left on the list of messages )
with the article number, only adjusted,
so that zero is the most recent article number.
e.g. If you told X to keep only 3 thousand headers
then the oldest article would be numbered 2,999.
Only I'd report it as a base 62 number ( or a percentage ? ),
0-9, A-Z, a-z, because that's just easier to read.
e.g. 2,999 in base 62 is written as, Mn. 0 is just 0.
I've also been thinking that some button could
report the next node in the forest of threads,
sorted by score and most recent.
For example, it might be something that I recently posted.
Or maybe a reply to me or something else with a high score.
But that report would also show it's five closest,
A. Siblings, B. Parents, and C. Children.
Up to 15 links, Any of which could be clicked on.
So I'm only looking at ( basically ) one message at a time,
I wouldn't ever be looking at all the threads.
This is a fairly zoomed-in view.
Perhaps X could have both my zoomed-in view,
and your more zoomed-out views.
I'm amazed at how hard it is to just program
( design, really ) a retarded newsreader.
Hmmmm. I'll patent that.
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| User: "Caesare Gentile" |
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17 Jul 2004 05:36:39 AM |
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Jeff Relf wrote:
I'm amazed at how hard it is to just program
( design, really ) a retarded newsreader.
I think the effort here is not to design a 'newsreader' but to design a much
better tool that uses the ( very limited ) nntp protocol as its basis.
One thing is for certain -- all existing newsreaders suck.
--
What do you mean, analyze? That guy's a fish.
Let's go bowling. - Bobby Fischer
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| User: "Dougie Howitzer" |
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17 Jul 2004 10:50:03 PM |
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Jeff Relf wrote:
Suppose a new tab appears,
showing that message along with it's siblings,
including all of their children.
( Thus leaving your original list untouched )
Exactly. That's what I'm asking for. In fact a really cool thing would be
some type of popup tree.
So,
Right click on article. To the right a fan of nodes showing child articles.
Above and below, siblings ( and maybe their children ) and to the left, the
parent of the article.
The user could then move the mouse onto one of these links and jump to that
article.
Perhaps the new list of messages in that new tab is
_ Also _ unthreaded ( sorted by most recent first ).
Obviously, if the message has no siblings,
then all you will see is it's children.
Of course.
You continued, << Another idea --
show the threaded articles as a diagram or flow chart --
so have miniature pages with pointer arrows to the children
and maybe in bold show the date and author --
something like that... >>
This is what I'd call a very zoomed-out view.
Yes that might be overkill. Have you seen the latest Thunderbird ? The use
color lines on the right side of the article to show cut and paste from
previous articles.
I find that really annoying.
I'm amazed at how hard it is to just program
( design, really ) a retarded newsreader.
The problem as I see it is the flexible nature of text. And that is it's
power as well -- to blend one persons words and ideas with your own --
that's really powerful and that's why nntp is much undervalued and
underappreciated (!)
--
incognito
http://kentpsychedelic.blogspot.com/
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| User: "Jeff Relf" |
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18 Jul 2004 12:46:07 AM |
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Hi Dougie Howitzer,
Re: How to Sync a message with it's thread
without disturbing the original list of messages,
You mentioned, <<
...a really cool thing would be some type of popup tree.
So,
Right click on article.
To the right a fan of nodes showing child articles.
Above and below, siblings ( and maybe their children )
and to the left, the parent of the article.
The user could then move the mouse onto one of these links
and jump to that article. >>
One of my objectives is to never use any popups,
that's why I suggested a new tab opening on the far left.
( X's options would also reside inside a tabbed page )
Do your professional web sites use popups ?
Don't most people block those these days ?
I think Google was so very right to not use popups,
keeping the ads on the right rather then at the top-left.
The top-left is prime real estate, obviously,
That's why I'd like to
remove WinXP's start button from my taskbar.
( I haven't looked yet to see if I can do that )
You noted that the flexibility of Usenet's plain-text is
both a blessing and a bane,
On my ( infinitely long ) to-do list,
I'd like to make a web browser too...
Just to make the web a little more plain-text-like
( with graphics by demand only, click to show/play/zoom ).
As for X,
I'll probably spend a lot of time trying different things,
I'm lacking resolution right now, too many options.
You never answered my question about
how you know if someone is replying to you or not.
You don't auto-score anything ? Why the silence ?
Would you ever want to run X ?
( Please don't do it for my sake )
X uses the latest Platform SDK,
So making it work on Linux would be a real pain.
At any rate, I still have to write
the equivalent of Word 2000 and DevStudio 6 ( ha ha ),
which should take me a long time just to design.
not to mention all the testing and retesting I'll have to do.
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| User: "Donnie Darko" |
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18 Jul 2004 12:58:34 AM |
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Jeff Relf wrote:
One of my objectives is to never use any popups,
that's why I suggested a new tab opening on the far left.
( X's options would also reside inside a tabbed page )
I am probably using the wrong term. I don't mean a popup window, but more
of a client application floating menu type thingy.
Do your professional web sites use popups ?
For some reason, customers can't get enough of popup windows. They
constantly want to use them -- and I know why, because it's a pretty good
method for getting attention. Personally, if allowed to decide, I would
never use a popup in a web page.
Don't most people block those these days ?
It's becoming a very big problem even for very legitimate websites.
I think Google was so very right to not use popups,
keeping the ads on the right rather then at the top-left.
Google designs, correctly for them, to the lowest common denominator. THere
are still browers out there that have a lot of problem with things like
<div> and would render a left nav bar all crazy like. Right nav is safer,
because at least you can still see the main page.
You noted that the flexibility of Usenet's plain-text is
both a blessing and a bane,
The text is of course important. The threading and association are the more
interesting things.
On my ( infinitely long ) to-do list,
I'd like to make a web browser too...
I am working on web service service consumers. Small client apps that
access web services.
I am thinking of redefining nntp and blogging ( which I just started doing
to get my feet wet in -- http://kentpsychedelic.blogspot.com/ ) with my own
client and web service back end. WS2.0 is really fascinating! Web
services can now use tcp directly and have push type updates to the client.
Basically a remote callback function. So, my clients would sit there, like
chat apps, and be able to get articles as they are added ( instead of
polling a server ).
Also, I can create specialized web methods with complex datatypes. At work,
I created a webmethod that takes XmlDocument as parameter so a user could
send a whole XmlDocument to the service.
Right now my work, in addition to web sites, is allowing me to write very
cool stuff like windows services that run multithreaded xml documents. My
next task is to make a web service that allows multiple users to read and
write to an XmlDocument and make queries against it. It would be a
replacement for web sites that need small single table databases.
You never answered my question about
how you know if someone is replying to you or not.
I am not sure I understand your question. Could you elaborate.
You don't auto-score anything ? Why the silence ?
I don't know what auto-score is. What is auto-score ?
Would you ever want to run X ?
X? as in the alternative to X86Free? Sure! Of course. I love that they
call it X and get rid of the word Windows. Let the fukkers have it I say.
www.X.org
X uses the latest Platform SDK,
So making it work on Linux would be a real pain.
Maybe we're not talking about the same thing. X to me is the new Windowing
system for Unix/Linux that an industry consortium is creating.
At any rate, I still have to write
the equivalent of Word 2000 and DevStudio 6 ( ha ha ),
which should take me a long time just to design.
not to mention all the testing and retesting I'll have to do.
--
incognito @ http://kentpsychedelic.blogspot.com/
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| User: "Jeff Relf" |
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| Title: If we weren't all crazy. |
18 Jul 2004 06:54:16 PM |
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Hi Donnie Darko ( Bailo the ),
You told me, << Trolling you would be
like putting a net on a salmon ladder. >>
I agree, As much as I hate to admit it,
I'm not exactly the brightest star in the galaxy.
Re: How you never score anyone's posts,
That seems a bit too random for me,
why not be a Bit more selective.
I'm not talking about killing anyone's posts...
Just scoring replies to you, and the like.
Speaking of British snobbery,
here's yet another great Jimmy Buffett ( the sailor ) song,
From the album, Changes in Latitudes, Changes in Attitudes.
I took off for a weekend last month,
Just to try and recall the whole year.
All of the faces and all of the places,
Wonderin' where they all disappeared.
I didn't ponder the question too long,
I was hungry and went out for a bite.
Ran into a chum with a bottle of rum,
and We wound up drinkin' all night.
It's these changes in latitudes,
Changes in attitudes,
Nothing remains quite the same.
With all of our running,
and All of our cunning,
If we couldn't laugh,
We would all go insane.
Reading departure signs in some big airport,
Reminds me of the places I've been.
Visions of good times that brought so much pleasure,
Makes me want to go back again.
If it suddenly ended tomorrow,
I could somehow adjust to the fall.
Good times and riches and son of a bitches,
I've seen more than I can recall.
These changes in latitudes,
Changes in attitudes,
Nothing remains quite the same.
Through all of the islands,
and All of the highlands,
If we couldn't laugh,
We would all go insane.
I think about Paris when I'm high on red wine,
I wish I could jump on a plane.
So many nights I just dream of the ocean,
God I wish I was sailin' again.
Oh, yesterday's over my shoulder,
So I can't look back for too long.
There's just too much to see waiting in front of me,
And I know that I just can't go wrong.
With these changes in latitudes,
Changes in attitudes,
Nothing remains quite the same.
With all of my running,
and All of my cunning,
If I couldn't laugh,
I would just go insane.
If we couldn't laugh,
We would just go insane.
If we weren't all crazy,
We would go insane.
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| User: "Donnie Darko" |
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18 Jul 2004 07:35:45 PM |
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Jeff Relf wrote:
If we weren't all crazy,
We would go insane.
It's like Avril says:
This guilt trip that you put me on won't, mess me up I've done no wrong
Any thoughts of you and me have gone away.
[...]
I'm better off alone anyway.
--
incognito @ http://kentpsychedelic.blogspot.com/
Man is the best computer we can put aboard a spacecraft ... and the only one
that can be mass produced with unskilled labor. -- Werner von Braun
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| User: "Jeff Relf" |
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| Title: Shake the Cigar Shack. |
18 Jul 2004 07:44:23 PM |
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Hi Donnie Darko ( Bailo the FILO ),
You told me, << I want apps that are a little more active --
all this press a button to download stuff
is like, squaresville, daddy-o. >>
I like apps that don't do anything unless I tell them too,
See, that's why a homespun newsreader makes so much sense,
Everyone is so different.
For example,
On Usenet I can usually see a link
before I decide to launch it or not...
The web is usually too pushy for me.
e.g. Graphics and Flash animations
are often designed to only play automatically.
If I wrote my own web browser, I would fix some of that.
Re: Your XML server's global.asax file ( for global objects ),
and your unstructured data, such as threads on Usenet,
..NET's help system, DExplore.EXE, navigates via,
A. Tabbed panes,
B. Back, Forward, Next, and Previous buttons,
C. A Sync-with-Contents button ( Sync-with-Thread ).
D. Contents ( Threads ), Index, and Search panes.
E. A Find-in-this-Topic button
( which should have with an entry field for the toolbar ).
And when it comes to browsing Usenet
( like your unstructured data ),
I should implement all of those functions listed above.
( With adjustments, of course )
Wow, imagine a Usenet client with an index builder.
Re: Cigars,
You commented, << I'm experimenting...
there is a couple of full scale tobacconists around Kent
and there's a smoke shop with a small glass case humidor.
Do you ever go to the cigar/smoke shop on the Ave ?
It's at about 43rd. I used to go there and buy a cigar,
Nigaraguan, called the Diplomat, that I really liked.
They had good stuff.
I have not been satisfied with the price performance
of the cigars I've purchased here so far. >>
Yes, I know that shop near 43rd,
there are two or three others like it on the Ave.
Have you ever lived in the U-District ?
Why don't you try the shack, that's what I use,
http://www.LilBrown.COM/brand.cfm?special=yes
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| Title: Rock, Rock, Rock A-way Beach |
18 Jul 2004 08:11:26 PM |
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Jeff Relf wrote:
I like apps that don't do anything unless I tell them too,
I'm just the opposite. But I think that's because I used to watch 7 hours
of t.v. a day when I was 5.
I still expect the computer to /do/ /stuff/ for me.
I am experimenting now with RSS newsreaders. It puts out a little square
alert from the taskbar on the right when something interesting appears.
I have not been satisfied with the price performance
of the cigars I've purchased here so far. >>
Yes, I know that shop near 43rd,
there are two or three others like it on the Ave.
Have you ever lived in the U-District ?
I lived in Wallingford before moving to Kent ( after getting divorced ).
Why don't you try the shack, that's what I use,
http://www.LilBrown.COM/brand.cfm?special=yes
I will give them a try. There's nothing worse than a bad cigar...
When I was more into cigars a few years ago, I did some reading on what
makes a good cigar ( the tightness of the roll, dryness of tobacco, etc ).
Still, I don't have a favorite 'brand' so I'm reluctant to buy a box full of
something that might not suit me.
--
incognito @ http://kentpsychedelic.blogspot.com/
Man is the best computer we can put aboard a spacecraft ... and the only one
that can be mass produced with unskilled labor. -- Werner von Braun
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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| Title: Re: Looking for the best way to browse threads. |
16 Jul 2004 09:04:49 PM |
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Jeff Relf wrote:
[snip]
Buy the way,
You should checkout
[snip]
A succinct summary of your deficient defective mentality. One
posits the Linux group appreciates your continuing abuse and
cowardice.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "Jeff Relf" |
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| Title: Sci.Physics loves Uncle Al. |
16 Jul 2004 09:17:48 PM |
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Hi Uncle Al,
You posited, << Sci.Physics
appreciates my continuing abuse and cowardice >>
Of course it does Al,
We all appreciate you so very much.
You make the rest of us feel smart in comparison.
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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16 Jul 2004 09:35:36 AM |
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Jeff Relf wrote:
[snip]
That agrees with what I've been saying about black holes,
Idiot.
[snip]
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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