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NUCLEAR POWER IS DIRTY, DANGEROUS AND EXPENSIVE
Forwarded message from "Richard Moore" <rkm@quaylargo.com>
Nuclear power is dirty, dangerous and expensive
Saturday, January 19, 2008
http://www.straightgoods.ca/ViewFeature8.cfm?REF=19
Saskatchewan's critical choice
Nuclear power is dirty, dangerous and expensive and it
won't solve global warming either.
By Jim Harding
Monday, January 14, 2008
The world can no longer ignore the steadily mounting
evidence that we must quickly replace greenhouse gas (GHG)
emitting fuels (coal, oil, gas) as our main energy source
if we are to avert catastrophic climate change.
Nukes: to reduce coal-fired plants' GHGs yet meet
anticipated demand, a new nuclear power plant would have to
be built somewhere in the world every 15 days.
Three criteria can help steer the decisions about this
urgent conversion to sustainable energy.
First, new energy systems must significantly reduce the
GHGs emitted: we must move to low or, preferably, no-carbon
energy sources.
Second, the new energy systems must not create other
environmental or peace and security issues: they must be
ecologically and socially sustainable. As part of this they
must be much more egalitarian.
And third, the new energy systems must be able to rapidly
enter the market and be cost effective.
Before we apply these criteria to nuclear, it is vital to
understand the makeup and sources of GHGs. Carbon dioxide
(CO2) accounts for three-quarters (76 percent) of them, so
reducing CO2 is fundamental to any strategy for averting
extreme climate change. However, only one-third of the CO2
comes from electrical power plants mostly from coal. The
other two-thirds come from transportation (mostly cars and
trucks) and from buildings, including factories and home
heating. The rest of the GHGs come from methane (13
percent), nitrous oxide (5 percent) and fluorocarbons,
which includes the ozone-depleters.
When anyone proposes nuclear replacing coal as a magic
bullet for global warming they are therefore only
addressing one-quarter of the sources of GHGs. We have to
assess nuclear's capability in this context of reducing
GHGs from electrical power plants, which must include doing
cost and risk comparisons with other sources of electricity
such as efficiency, wind and solar (photovoltaic) energy.
The myth of clean nuclear energy
The Canadian Nuclear Association (CNA) aggressively
promotes nuclear as "clean". Since the nuclear fuel system
produces cancer-causing radiation from uranium tailings to
spent fuel this is clearly untrue. Recent research
(accepted by the international radiation monitoring body,
and reported in its BEIR VII report), has confirmed there
is no safe level of radiation.
By using the word "clean", the CNA clearly wants us to
believe that nuclear doesn't produce GHGs. There is some
trickery here, as it is true that the nuclear power plant
does not release GHGs. But the overall assertion is untrue.
The nuclear industry is extremely energy-intensive, using
massive GHG-producing fossil fuels from mining and milling
to enriching uranium, to constructing and decommissioning
huge nuclear power plants, to transporting and storing
nuclear wastes.
Saskatchewan is now the biggest uranium-producing region in
the world. Half of its exports go to the US, where uranium
is enriched using two dirty coal-fired plants at Paducah,
Kentucky. According to the US Department of Energy the most
potent of the GHGs the otherwise banned ozone-depleting
CFC 114 continues to be released through this uranium
enrichment.
Weighing carbon emissions
Though not at all "clean", nuclear is a lower-carbon fuel
than coal, which presently produces 64 percent of global
electricity. What kind of expansion in nuclear would be
required to make a significant global dint in the emissions
of GHGs from these power plants?
Two global scenarios have recently been studied, both
assuming a growth of electricity of 2.1 percent per year.
First, a 2003 MIT study looked at the impact of a three-
fold increase in nuclear electrical capacity to 1,000
Gigawatts (GW) by 2050.
Taking into account shut-downs of aging, ever more
dangerous, nuclear plants, this scenario would require that
a new nuclear power plant be built somewhere every 15 days
from 2010 to 2050. And even if this were accomplished
(hypothetically), electricity from nuclear would still only
grow from 16 percent to 20 percent of global electrical
production (and from 5 percent to 6 percent of total energy
use). Worse, GHGs would continue to rise.
This totally unrealistic scenario clearly shows that
nuclear is not a magic bullet for global warming. It should
therefore be rejected outright as a policy option. We'd end
up with more radioactive contamination and still not
curtail the rise in GHGs. This is going from the frying pan
of global warming into the nuclear fire.
The second scenario, studied by Brice Smith for his 2006
book, Insurmountable Risks: The Dangers of Using Nuclear
Power to Combat Global Warming, makes the same assumptions
as the MIT study, except it calculates the number of
nuclear power plants required to bring GHGs from power
plants to 2000 levels by 2050. This scenario would require
about 2,500 GW of nuclear electricity (or a seven-fold
expansion) and would see nuclear playing the same relative
role as coal does today.
However, if the first scenario is unrealistic, this one is
delusional, for it would require more than one nuclear
plant being built somewhere every week. This is simply not
going to happen.
These two scenarios confirm earlier work by energy analyst
Charles Komanoff and the US-based Union of Concerned
Scientists (UCS). They show the nuclear option fails to
meet the first criterion of being capable of reducing GHGs
even in the one area of power plants.
The danger is that immense nuclear propaganda will blind
decision-makers in their desperate search for a magic
bullet. Then nuclear will be embraced for political-
economic reasons, and worse distract decision-makers and
public from the urgent task at hand.
This approach is apparent in both the Federal Conservative
Government that wants nuclear to help produce heavy oil,
the dirtiest of all fossil fuels so much for the magic
bullet and the Saskatchewan NDP Government, that just
doesn't seem to "get it" that nuclear is not sustainable
development in either the economic or ecological sense.
Nuclear energy comes with its own risks
Nuclear cannot realistically reduce GHGs, but any expansion
of nuclear power would increase the chance of a
catastrophic nuclear accident and the dangers of
accumulating nuclear wastes and proliferation. Therefore,
nuclear totally fails on the second criterion, of
sustainability and environmental sensitivity.
Smith estimates that the chances of a nuclear accident
occurring in the US by 2050 are 75 percent with the MIT
scenario, and 90 percent with his own. This is not
reassuring. He rightly points out that a major nuclear
accident would increase global opposition to further
nuclear expansion. We'd be back to the drawing board for
solutions to climate change, while being still further
along the extreme climate change scenario.
Global warming makes nuclear power even more dangerous, due
to the importance of its coolant system to avert a
meltdown. As the Saskatchewan Environmental Society (SES)
said in its 2006 pamphlet: "During France's heat wave in
2003, engineers told the government they could no longer
guarantee the safety of the country's 58 nuclear plants.
This kind of problem will likely become more common with
climate change."
Lest we forget, the nuclear fuel going into all these
French reactors, which could contaminate Europe if any of
them were to melt down, comes from Northern Saskatchewan,
where the huge French nuclear conglomerate Areva (Cogema)
operates. If (when?) a nuclear accident happens in France,
or another country depending on Saskatchewan uranium such
as Japan or the US, what will we say? Will the very short-
term economic benefits here have been worth the loss of
arable land and death and suffering of so many others
elsewhere?
The case against nuclear grows the more nuclear amnesia is
challenged. If nuclear were to expand there would be a
steady accumulation of deadly nuclear wastes, such as
plutonium, which is toxic for 8000 generations. The
scenarios of global nuclear growth discussed above would
require the building of a permanent storage site every 3 to
5 12 years.
Repositories for nuclear wastes deposits in geologically
stable mines have been talked about since 1957. But, as
Smith points out, "not one spent fuel rod has yet been
permanently disposed of anywhere in the world." This is the
same system that the AECL and Nuclear Waste Management
Organization (NWMO) are presently lobbying First Nations
bands about in Northern Saskatchewan and elsewhere.
Nuclear power plants are not economic
These reasons are more than enough for any reasonable and
compassionate person to support a sustainable, renewable
energy system that addresses global warming, and, in the
process, phases-out nuclear energy. But there is more.
At its peak, even with huge subsidies, France, the country
most dependent on nuclear-generated electricity (80
percent), only built a few reactors a year. It is obviously
not economically realistic to consider a nuclear power
plant being built every week. Not only would this divert
labour and capital from making the quick transition to
sustainable, renewable energy, but the world's financiers
are generally not predisposed to nuclear's costly and risky
technology. Without government legislation (eg Canada's
Nuclear Liability Act) that protects the nuclear industry
from liability in the case of multi-billion dollar
accidents, the industry wouldn't even be in the energy
market.
Nuclear, therefore, fails on the third criterion, of cost
effectiveness and flexibility.
Cost comparisons of nuclear vs sustainable, renewable
alternatives should put the final nail in the nuclear
coffin. While the nuclear industry says new reactors could
produce electricity for 6-7 cents per kWh, these estimates
depend on the nuclear industry continuing to be heavily
subsidized by the taxpayer.
When the cost of borrowing money is factored in, Ontario's
Energy Probe estimates that subsidies to the AECL total
around $75 billion. Several studies (eg reported in New
Scientist, and discussed in Helen Caldicott's new book)
have shown that without these direct and hidden subsidies,
the cost of nuclear would increase three-fold (ie 300
percent) to the consumer. This holds true for Ontario Hydro
consumers, who suffer from a serious case of "nuclear
dependence", which has created a public debt of $35
billion.
Even without a level playing field, energy efficiency, co-
generation and wind are already cheaper than nuclear (or
coal) at 4-6 cents per kWh. According to Amory Lovins of
the Rocky Mountain Institute, renewable energy, worldwide,
has already passed nuclear as a source of electricity (20
percent to 16 percent). This increase in renewables is
partly due to wind, biomass and solar power, but is also
due to co-generation from waste heat. Wave (tidal) power
will soon accelerate this trend.
In 2004 small-scale renewables added 6 times the capacity
to generate electricity and 3 times the electrical output
as did nuclear. According to the SES, by 2010, "renewable
energy is projected to outstrip nuclear power's energy
output by 43 percent globally".
While Saskatchewan's NDP government has made an important
step towards supporting wind power, its policies hold back
decentralized energy production (we need net-metering) and
still emphasize an economy based on exporting polluting and
toxic non-renewables such as uranium and oil. (In 2003, 78
percent of the primary energy exported from Saskatchewan
came from uranium; 20 percent came from fossil fuels.) We
are quickly becoming known as the main world region for
exporting radioactivity (uranium) as well as having
Canada's highest per capita GHGs emissions.
A costly way to create jobs
All aspects of economics, including job-creation, go
against nuclear. Nuclear is extremely capital-intensive.
Even including its front-end uranium mining, nuclear
produces very little employment per amount invested.
Each job in uranium mining involves $750,000 or more of
capital. Uranium mining has delivered a pittance of the
royalties originally promised to the province and one-half
of the jobs promised to northern Indigenous people. And it
is making the North a Nuclear Sacrificial Area.
Meanwhile, study after study has confirmed that a renewable
energy sector produces many more jobs. Wind, like solar,
produces five times as much employment as nuclear per
amount invested. Yet, according to the Federation of
Saskatchewan Indian Nations (FSIN), SaskPower turned down a
request to partner on a wind farm with a northern Band.
Co-op wind farms in rural Saskatchewan should also be
encouraged.
Since Germany decided to phase out nuclear power, renewable
energy there has grown to provide 250,000 jobs. Solar
energy is beginning to replace fossil fuel generated
electricity and lower GHGs and it is expected to produce
200,000 jobs by 2020. By then 27 percent of Germany's
electricity will come from renewables.
Furthermore, Germany's quick transition from nuclear to
renewables shows how important it is to resist
privatization of public utilities here and elsewhere.
Unlike places like New Zealand, which privatized
electricity during its neo-liberal days, Germany was able
to pass legislation in 2000 that provides cash incentives
for shifting to renewable energy, which has made a dramatic
difference.
Consumers can feed back energy into the power grid. Power
companies must pay 49 cents a kWh to buy solar electricity
for the grid. This cost still saves them money, compared to
the capital costs of nuclear or coal plants and the
projected costs of climate change.
Meanwhile Saskatchewan asks consumers to pay extra for
"Green" Wind Power. We clearly have to get serious and not
just engage in a face-lift on an unsustainable and
dangerous non-renewable energy policy.
Saskatchewan has an important choice to make over the near
future. Will Cameco, Cogema and the ill-informed Saskatoon
Chamber of Commerce, with its amoral approach to economic
development, prevail? Will Saskatchewan expand the costly
and dangerous nuclear fuel system with a uranium refinery
and perhaps a nuclear waste dump? Will it support nuclear
power for the tar sands?
As we've seen, going nuclear will do nothing to avert
global warming, though some big business would make huge
profits. However, this approach would divert capital and
labour from truly making the urgent conversion to a
sustainable, renewable energy system.
Perhaps the most vital consideration of all is that
wholeheartedly embracing nuclear energy will condemn future
generations to accumulating radioactive weapons and wastes
while failing to help make the necessary transition needed
to avert catastrophic climate change. This would be a
double-whammy for our children's children.
Jim Harding is a retired professor of environmental and
justice studies who gardens, writes and hosts retreat-
workshops for activists on the Crows Nest Ecology Preserve
in the Qu'Appelle Valley. He presently teaches a class on
"Ecology and Justice" as an Adjunct Professor at the
University of Regina and is active with the Ecumenical
Coalition KAIROS in its campaign for a just and sustainable
energy policy.
References: Brice Smith, Insurmountable Risks: The Dangers
of Using Nuclear Power to Combat Global Warming. (IEER
Press, 2006); Helen Caldicott, Nuclear Power Is Not The
Answer, (The New Press, 2006); and, Jim Harding, Canada's
Deadly Secret: Saskatchewan Uranium and the Global Nuclear
System, (Fernwood, 2007).
Jim Harding, PhD, and author of Canada's Deadly Secret:
Saskatchewan Uranium and the Global Nuclear System, will be
in the Ottawa region the week of January 21, 2008 making
stops in Ottawa, Wakefield, Perth and Carleton Place. He
will address the implications of potential uranium mining
in eastern Ontario and West Quebec. For more info, see
website below.
Related addresses:
know-uranium.org/Jim_Harding_Event/
Newslog archives:
http://cyberjournal.org/show_archives/?lists=newslog
Escaping the Matrix website:
http://escapingthematrix.org/
cyberjournal website:
http://cyberjournal.org
How We the People can change the world:
http://governourselves.blogspot.com/
The Post-Bush Regime: A Prognosis
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7693
Community Democracy Framework:
http://cyberjournal.org/DemocracyFramework.html
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/newslog/
End of forwarded message from "Richard Moore" <rkm@quaylargo.com>
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21 Jan 2008 11:53:18 AM |
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And necessary.
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Blattus Slafaly ? 3 :) 7/8
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21 Jan 2008 08:29:36 PM |
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Name any other technology capable of providing for our needs.
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21 Jan 2008 11:35:56 PM |
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On Jan 21, 9:29=A0pm, bill <ford_prefec...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Name any other technology capable of providing for our needs.
You can't. Since the idiots in Washingtoon never want
to discuss "OUR" needs. It's Israel's needs
that is the only thing the wanks are interested in.
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20 Jan 2008 07:13:52 PM |
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On Jan 20, 7:05 pm, and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
[Please read the disclaimer and conditions at the end of this post.]
NUCLEAR POWER IS DIRTY, DANGEROUS AND EXPENSIVE
So what? It is still cleaner, safer, and cheaper than coal, which is
the largest source of commercial electricity in the US.
Coal is about 5 parts-per-million uranium.
http://www.ornl.gov/info/ornlreview/rev26-34/text/colmain.html
Every million tons of coal burned in a power plant produces on the
average 5 tons of uranium in the waste. Thorium levels are even
higher. How much radioactive waste does a nuclear plant spew into the
environment?
http://www.nmcco.com/education/facts/environment/energy.htm
How many people die each year from coal mining?
" Where annual coal mining deaths had numbered more than 1,000 a year
in the early part of the 20th century, they decreased to an average of
about 451 annual fatalities in the 1950s, and to 141 in the 1970s. The
yearly average in coal mining decreased to 45 fatalities during the
1990's."
http://www.msha.gov/MSHAINFO/FactSheets/MSHAFCT2.HTM
Uranium mining?
http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/pgms/worknotify/uranium.html
How many people died from the Three-Mile Island accident (the worst US
nuclear power plant disaster in history)?
"The accident at the Three Mile Island Unit 2 (TMI-2) nuclear power
plant near Middletown, Pennsylvania, on March 28, 1979, was the most
serious in U.S. commercial nuclear power plant operating history(1),
even though it led to no deaths or injuries to plant workers or
members of the nearby community."
http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/fact-sheets/3mile-isle.html
How many people died from London's killer smogs?
"a toxic mix of dense fog and sooty black coal smoke killed thousands
of Londoners in four days."
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=873954
Your rhetorical tactic of scaring other people enough to accept your
conclusions and support your agenda may work on journalists, liberals,
and the uneducated masses, but critical thinkers will not bite on such
bait.
Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA
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20 Jan 2008 09:06:20 PM |
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On Jan 20, 5:13=A0pm, tadchem <tadc...@comcast.net> wrote:
On Jan 20, 7:05 pm, and/orwww.mantra.com/jai(Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
[Please read the disclaimer and conditions at the end of this post.]
NUCLEAR POWER IS DIRTY, DANGEROUS AND EXPENSIVE
So what? =A0It is still cleaner, safer, and cheaper than coal, which is
the largest source of commercial electricity in the US.
Coal is about 5 parts-per-million uranium.http://www.ornl.gov/info/ornlrev=
iew/rev26-34/text/colmain.html
Every million tons of coal burned in a power plant produces on the
average 5 tons of uranium in the waste. =A0Thorium levels are even
higher. How much radioactive waste does a nuclear plant spew into the
environment?http://www.nmcco.com/education/facts/environment/energy.htm
How many people die each year from coal mining?
" Where annual coal mining deaths had numbered more than 1,000 a year
in the early part of the 20th century, they decreased to an average of
about 451 annual fatalities in the 1950s, and to 141 in the 1970s. The
yearly average in coal mining decreased to 45 fatalities during the
1990's."http://www.msha.gov/MSHAINFO/FactSheets/MSHAFCT2.HTM
Uranium mining?http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/pgms/worknotify/uranium.html
How many people died from the Three-Mile Island accident (the worst US
nuclear power plant disaster in history)?
"The accident at the Three Mile Island Unit 2 (TMI-2) nuclear power
plant near Middletown, Pennsylvania, on March 28, 1979, was the most
serious in U.S. commercial nuclear power plant operating history(1),
even though it led to no deaths or injuries to plant workers or
members of the nearby community."http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collect=
ions/fact-sheets/3mile-isle....
How many people died from London's killer smogs?
"a toxic mix of dense fog and sooty black coal smoke killed thousands
of Londoners in four days."http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?st=
oryId=3D873954
Your rhetorical tactic of scaring other people enough to accept your
conclusions and support your agenda may work on journalists, liberals,
and the uneducated masses, but critical thinkers will not bite on such
bait.
Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA
The best part of this about the Kentucky reprocessing plant that there
is not one, BUT two coal plants providng power! Wow...so...like...if
we replaced these old small coal plants with a nuclear one...there
would be NO CO2 emissions in processing fuel. Amaizing! What idiots!
David
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21 Jan 2008 12:49:12 AM |
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 17:13:52 -0800 (PST), tadchem
<tadchem@comcast.net> wrote:
On Jan 20, 7:05 pm, and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
[Please read the disclaimer and conditions at the end of this post.]
NUCLEAR POWER IS DIRTY, DANGEROUS AND EXPENSIVE
So what? It is still cleaner, safer, and cheaper than coal, which is
the largest source of commercial electricity in the US.
Coal is about 5 parts-per-million uranium.
http://www.ornl.gov/info/ornlreview/rev26-34/text/colmain.html
In the US it averages around 1ppm.. (fig 1)
http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/1997/fs163-97/FS-163-97.html
Every million tons of coal burned in a power plant produces on the
average 5 tons of uranium in the waste. Thorium levels are even
higher. How much radioactive waste does a nuclear plant spew into the
environment?
http://www.nmcco.com/education/facts/environment/energy.htm
Nearly all of the U, and Th is captured by modern pollution control
equipment(99%). U remains part of the fly ash precipitate (~10ppm U
concentration).
10 ppm U concentration in Fly ash is similar to the levels present in
Granite, Black shale, and ~7x less than Phosphate Rock. (fig 2.)
How many people die each year from coal mining?
" Where annual coal mining deaths had numbered more than 1,000 a year
in the early part of the 20th century, they decreased to an average of
about 451 annual fatalities in the 1950s, and to 141 in the 1970s. The
yearly average in coal mining decreased to 45 fatalities during the
1990's."
http://www.msha.gov/MSHAINFO/FactSheets/MSHAFCT2.HTM
Uranium mining?
http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/pgms/worknotify/uranium.html
How many people died from the Three-Mile Island accident (the worst US
nuclear power plant disaster in history)?
"The accident at the Three Mile Island Unit 2 (TMI-2) nuclear power
plant near Middletown, Pennsylvania, on March 28, 1979, was the most
serious in U.S. commercial nuclear power plant operating history(1),
even though it led to no deaths or injuries to plant workers or
members of the nearby community."
http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/fact-sheets/3mile-isle.html
Several hundred to several thousand have died, maybe more.
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Officially 13million Curries where released... Unofficially.. the
stories are much worse.. Release of radioactive gas and the dumping
of highly contaminated reactor water directly into the Susquehanna
river.
Large numbers of people in the surrounding area reported having a
funny metallic taste in their mouth around the time of the TMI-2
incident. (A very strong indication of high level radiation exposure.)
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A major spike in the Infant and neo-natal death rate was recorded in
surrounding area after the accident.
http://www.ratical.org/radiation/KillingOurOwn/KOO14.html
From what we know of the LNT consensus. A lot of people will have died
prematurely from the TMI-2 incident..
http://www.nirs.org/press/06-30-2005/1
"All Levels of Radiation Confirmed to Cause Cancer."
"Washington, DC July 30, 2005 The National Academies of Science
released an over 700-page report yesterday on the risks from ionizing
radiation. "
"Risks from low dose radiation are equal or greater than previously
thought. "
"There is no safe level or threshold of ionizing radiation exposure."
"Radiation causes other health effects such as heart disease and
stroke"
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21 Jan 2008 02:29:59 AM |
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On Jan 20, 10:49=A0pm, T. Keating <tkuse...@ktcnslt.com> wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 17:13:52 -0800 (PST), tadchem
<tadc...@comcast.net> wrote:
On Jan 20, 7:05 pm, and/orwww.mantra.com/jai(Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
[Please read the disclaimer and conditions at the end of this post.]
NUCLEAR POWER IS DIRTY, DANGEROUS AND EXPENSIVE
So what? =A0It is still cleaner, safer, and cheaper than coal, which is
the largest source of commercial electricity in the US.
Coal is about 5 parts-per-million uranium.
http://www.ornl.gov/info/ornlreview/rev26-34/text/colmain.html
In the US it averages around 1ppm.. =A0(fig 1)http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/1997=
/fs163-97/FS-163-97.html
Every million tons of coal burned in a power plant produces on the
average 5 tons of uranium in the waste. =A0Thorium levels are even
higher. How much radioactive waste does a nuclear plant spew into the
environment?
http://www.nmcco.com/education/facts/environment/energy.htm
Nearly all of the U, and Th =A0is captured by modern pollution control
equipment(99%). =A0 U remains part of the fly ash precipitate (~10ppm U
concentration).
10 ppm U concentration in Fly ash =A0is similar to the levels present in
Granite, Black shale, =A0and ~7x less than Phosphate Rock. (fig 2.)
Actually, this is only a recent development...historicaly it is at
least 10 tmes as much. But, it's good to know that the same pollution
control equipment, derivived from nuclear power plants, is also
availabl for coal. Quantitaviely coal remains the biggest source of
man-made uranium effluent, period. Not to mention it kills 30,000
people.
How many people die each year from coal mining?
" Where annual coal mining deaths had numbered more than 1,000 a year
in the early part of the 20th century, they decreased to an average of
about 451 annual fatalities in the 1950s, and to 141 in the 1970s. The
yearly average in coal mining decreased to 45 fatalities during the
1990's."
http://www.msha.gov/MSHAINFO/FactSheets/MSHAFCT2.HTM
Uranium mining?
http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/pgms/worknotify/uranium.html
How many people died from the Three-Mile Island accident (the worst US
nuclear power plant disaster in history)?
"The accident at the Three Mile Island Unit 2 (TMI-2) nuclear power
plant near Middletown, Pennsylvania, on March 28, 1979, was the most
serious in U.S. commercial nuclear power plant operating history(1),
even though it led to no deaths or injuries to plant workers or
members of the nearby community."
http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/fact-sheets/3mile-isle....
Several hundred to several thousand have died, maybe more.
Uhmm...no. ZERO. None. Zilch.
=A0Officially 13million Curries where released... Unofficially.. the
stories are much worse.. =A0Release of radioactive gas and the dumping
of highly contaminated reactor water directly into the Susquehanna
river. =A0
The "higher" the radioactivity, the shorter it lives. It was not
"highly" contaminated. There was very little and none of it lasted
more than an hour or so.
Large numbers of people in the surrounding area reported having a
funny metallic taste in their mouth around the time of the TMI-2
incident. (A very strong indication of high level radiation exposure.)
They reported a lot of things and none had any consequences. No
medical reports showed any increse in mucho of anything except huge
amounts of stress.
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A major spike in the Infant and neo-natal death rate =A0was recorded in
surrounding area after the accident.
There was NO major spike deaths of any sort Keating. This has never
been back up by any medical organizations. The report that follows is
totally unreliable. The same people say millions died from Chernobyl!
Scare tactics of the worst.
http://www.ratical.org/radiation/KillingOurOwn/KOO14.html
From what we know of the LNT consensus. A lot of people will have died
prematurely from the TMI-2 incident..
There is no such MEDICAL concensus and no one can point to
radioactivty as the cause of the usual increase in cancer rates that
occurs from being down wind from about 15 coal plants.
http://www.nirs.org/press/06-30-2005/1
"All Levels of Radiation Confirmed to Cause Cancer."
A huh.
"Washington, DC July 30, 2005 The National Academies of Science
released an over 700-page report yesterday on the risks from ionizing
radiation. "
"Risks from low dose radiation are equal or greater than previously
thought. "
Oops...better stay out of the sun and walk around in lead pants. ALL
the doses in the report are LESS than what we get from our yearly
exposure (350 milirmes). Read the report. Very interesting. People who
live in Denver get almost a full Rem of exposure and their cancer
rates are the same or lower than people on the eastern Seaboard at
sealevel.
"There is no safe level or threshold of ionizing radiation exposure."
"Radiation causes other health effects such as heart disease and
stroke"- Hide quoted text -
Completely unscientific. Complete hogwash. We are exposed all the time
to ionizing radition...from the same shale and granite you liked to
point to in the beginning of your post. What medical personnel arre
finding is that we can probably stand a LOT higher level or radiation
than we normally get.
Nuclear plants on average emit lower ammounts of raditation than
almost any coal plant or any industrial facility, or people living at
above 1,000 meters. Radiation does not come from NPP.
David
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21 Jan 2008 08:13:06 AM |
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On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 00:29:59 -0800 (PST),
wrote:
I'll just snip David's rant,
there is little value discussing issues with irrational people who
can't deal with the scientific method. (or provide any credible
supporting links to back up their opinion.)
(Note: The science community often changes previous consensus based
on a fresh analysis of the accumulate data sets.)
He thinks everything the National Academy of Sciences lies about
nearly everything. Even such things LNT.. How about GW? Or
mankind's role in creating it?
P.S.. External exposure to radiation is obviously far less dangerous
then a internal exposure. (Externally, one is protected by several
layers of dead skin. hair, clothes, etc.)
http://www.nasonline.org/site/PageServer?pagename=ABOUT_main_page
"The National Academy of Sciences (NAS) is an honorific society of
distinguished scholars engaged in scientific and engineering research,
dedicated to the furtherance of science and technology and to their
use for the general welfare. "
"The NAS was signed into being by President Abraham Lincoln on March
3, 1863, at the height of the Civil War. As mandated in its Act of
Incorporation, the NAS has, since 1863, served to "investigate,
examine, experiment, and report upon any subject of science or art"
whenever called upon to do so by any department of the government."
====
The NRC well let's say they have a vested interest in supporting
nuclear power.. They've starting to admit in the licensing meetings
that a nuclear power plant will normally kill several people each
year of operation. (without an accident).. I.E. Nuclear Power plants
routinely vent radioactive gases through a carbon filter, but it's not
perfect.
http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/gen-comm/info-notices/1983/in83052.html
"On February 27, 1983, during normal power operation of Turkey Point
Unit 3, the contents of waste gas decay tank (WGDT) No. 2 were
inadvertently released to the environs via the auxiliary building
exhaust fan to the plant vent."
"the licensee determined approximately 18 curies of gaseous
activity were released. This reported release quantity is about 0.02%
of the allowable quarterly release limit for total gaseous releases. "
Using a little math (13.0 / 0.0002 * 2) indicates that their
license allows TP (3&4) to release 180,000 curries of mostly short
lived radioactive gases each quarter or 720,000 curries each year..
Since these are radioactive gasses with relatively short half life
plus potential internal exposure (Distance == 0) makes them
considerably more dangerous than a simple external exposure.
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21 Jan 2008 09:02:28 AM |
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T. Keating <tkusenet@ktcnslt.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 00:29:59 -0800 (PST),
wrote:
I'll just snip David's rant,
there is little value discussing issues with irrational people who
can't deal with the scientific method. (or provide any credible
supporting links to back up their opinion.)
I noticed you snipped his objections to the exaggered claims about the
post-TMI fatalities, as well. Very convenient.
--
regards , Peter B. P. http://macplanet.dk
Washington D.C.: District of Criminals
"I dont drink anymore... of course, i don't drink any less, either!
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21 Jan 2008 09:38:32 AM |
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On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:02:28 +0100, (PeterBP) wrote:
T. Keating <tkusenet@ktcnslt.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 00:29:59 -0800 (PST),
wrote:
I'll just snip David's rant,
there is little value discussing issues with irrational people who
can't deal with the scientific method. (or provide any credible
supporting links to back up their opinion.)
I noticed you snipped his objections to the exaggered claims about the
post-TMI fatalities, as well. Very convenient.
He posted no supporting links.. just old rants..
The accepted science about exposure to ionizing radiation has since
changed. I.E. Previous TMI-2 study results were all based on
incorrect assumptions.
P.S. The NRC has no clue as to the true extent of the TMI- 2
radioactive release. During the peak of the melting phase, reactor
operators were dumping/cleaning their overflowing holding tanks
directly into the river. Those same operators also failed to inform
cities down river, (source of their drinking water), about the
contamination. .
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| User: "Puppet_Sock" |
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21 Jan 2008 11:26:28 AM |
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On Jan 21, 10:38=A0am, T. Keating <tkuse...@ktcnslt.com> wrote:
[snip]
He posted no supporting links.. just old rants..
Well, you know, you started it. The links you provided were
to political action group web pages, where lies are posted
about NAS papers. Plus you posted a link to the NAS
"about" page, no link to the paper your political groups
were ranting about.
Do try to keep up with the program. These are not ploys
that work any more.
Socks
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| User: "Dan Bloomquist" |
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21 Jan 2008 11:55:02 PM |
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Puppet_Sock wrote:
On Jan 21, 10:38 am, T. Keating <tkuse...@ktcnslt.com> wrote:
[snip]
He posted no supporting links.. just old rants..
Well, you know, you started it. The links you provided were
to political action group web pages, where lies are posted
about NAS papers. Plus you posted a link to the NAS
"about" page, no link to the paper your political groups
were ranting about.
Do try to keep up with the program. These are not ploys
that work any more.\
But, Keating will never give up his agenda.....
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| User: "nada" |
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22 Jan 2008 12:47:09 AM |
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On Jan 21, 9:55=A0pm, Dan Bloomquist <publi...@lakeweb.com> wrote:
Puppet_Sock wrote:
On Jan 21, 10:38 am, T. Keating <tkuse...@ktcnslt.com> wrote:
[snip]
He posted no supporting links.. just old rants..
Well, you know, you started it. The links you provided were
to political action group web pages, where lies are posted
about NAS papers. Plus you posted a link to the NAS
"about" page, no link to the paper your political groups
were ranting about.
Do try to keep up with the program. These are not ploys
that work any more.\
But, Keating will never give up his agenda.....
Yes, but he tries. And, he reflects the views of a large number of
antis out there...
David
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| User: "Bill Ward" |
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22 Jan 2008 01:43:53 AM |
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On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:47:09 -0800, nada wrote:
On Jan 21, 9:55 pm, Dan Bloomquist <publi...@lakeweb.com> wrote:
Puppet_Sock wrote:
On Jan 21, 10:38 am, T. Keating <tkuse...@ktcnslt.com> wrote: [snip]
He posted no supporting links.. just old rants..
Well, you know, you started it. The links you provided were to
political action group web pages, where lies are posted about NAS
papers. Plus you posted a link to the NAS "about" page, no link to the
paper your political groups were ranting about.
Do try to keep up with the program. These are not ploys that work any
more.\
But, Keating will never give up his agenda.....
Yes, but he tries. And, he reflects the views of a large number of antis
out there...
Do they really believe that drivel, or are they just faking? Neither
of those options seems logical, as it's so easy to debunk the political
posturing.
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23 Jan 2008 05:52:39 PM |
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On Jan 22, 2:43=A0am, Bill Ward <bw...@REMOVETHISix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:47:09 -0800, nada wrote:
On Jan 21, 9:55=A0pm, Dan Bloomquist <publi...@lakeweb.com> wrote:
Puppet_Sock wrote:
On Jan 21, 10:38 am, T. Keating <tkuse...@ktcnslt.com> wrote: [snip]
He posted no supporting links.. just old rants..
Well, you know, you started it. The links you provided were to
political action group web pages, where lies are posted about NAS
papers. Plus you posted a link to the NAS "about" page, no link to th=
e
paper your political groups were ranting about.
Do try to keep up with the program. These are not ploys that work any=
more.\
But, Keating will never give up his agenda.....
Yes, but he tries. And, he reflects the views of a large number of antis=
out there...
Do they really believe that drivel, or are they just faking? =A0Neither
of those options seems logical, as it's so easy to debunk the political
posturing.- Hide quoted text -
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Bill, hard for me, but I actually believe these people while
misinformed, really do believe their drivel.
I would invite any one them to drive though the southern most extent
of Pennsylvania (Route 81 through Carlisle), where they will take
notice of air that is so clean that you will remark about it, and lush
green fields that would cause most of us to want to move there.
Why, because the electric power supplied to this portion of
Pennsylvania comes from Philadelphia Electric's Peach Bottom nuclear
reactor.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/nuclear/page/at_a_glance/reactors/peach_bottom.=
html
After all the arguments are said and done, I really would like to live
there.
Harry C.
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| User: "Bill Ward" |
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24 Jan 2008 07:30:16 PM |
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On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 15:52:39 -0800, wrote:
On Jan 22, 2:43 am, Bill Ward <bw...@REMOVETHISix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:47:09 -0800, nada wrote:
On Jan 21, 9:55 pm, Dan Bloomquist <publi...@lakeweb.com> wrote:
Puppet_Sock wrote:
On Jan 21, 10:38 am, T. Keating <tkuse...@ktcnslt.com> wrote:
[snip]
He posted no supporting links.. just old rants..
Well, you know, you started it. The links you provided were to
political action group web pages, where lies are posted about NAS
papers. Plus you posted a link to the NAS "about" page, no link to
the paper your political groups were ranting about.
Do try to keep up with the program. These are not ploys that work
any more.\
But, Keating will never give up his agenda.....
Yes, but he tries. And, he reflects the views of a large number of
antis out there...
Do they really believe that drivel, or are they just faking? Neither
of those options seems logical, as it's so easy to debunk the political
posturing.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Bill, hard for me, but I actually believe these people while misinformed,
really do believe their drivel.
If so, that doesn't speak well for the quality of science education in
the US. But I'm afraid you're right, Harry. They just don't seem to know
any better. Fear trumps logic.
I would invite any one them to drive though the southern most extent of
Pennsylvania (Route 81 through Carlisle), where they will take notice of
air that is so clean that you will remark about it, and lush green
fields that would cause most of us to want to move there.
Why, because the electric power supplied to this portion of Pennsylvania
comes from Philadelphia Electric's Peach Bottom nuclear reactor.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/nuclear/page/at_a_glance/reactors/peach_bottom.html
After all the arguments are said and done, I really would like to live
there.
Harry C.
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21 Jan 2008 08:19:27 AM |
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On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 00:29:59 -0800 (PST),
wrote:
I'll just snip David's rant,
there is little value discussing issues with irrational people who
can't deal with the scientific method. (or provide any credible
supporting links to back up their opinion.)
(Note: The science community often changes previous consensus based
on a fresh analysis of the accumulate data sets.)
He thinks the National Academy of Sciences lies about nearly
everything. I.E.. He claims LNT i sa lie.. How about GW? Or
mankind's role in creating it?
P.S.. External exposure to radiation is obviously far less dangerous
then a internal exposure. (Externally, one is protected by several
layers of dead skin. hair, clothes, etc.)
http://www.nasonline.org/site/PageServer?pagename=ABOUT_main_page
"The National Academy of Sciences (NAS) is an honorific society of
distinguished scholars engaged in scientific and engineering research,
dedicated to the furtherance of science and technology and to their
use for the general welfare. "
"The NAS was signed into being by President Abraham Lincoln on March
3, 1863, at the height of the Civil War. As mandated in its Act of
Incorporation, the NAS has, since 1863, served to "investigate,
examine, experiment, and report upon any subject of science or art"
whenever called upon to do so by any department of the government."
====
The NRC well let's say they have a vested interest in supporting
nuclear power.. They've starting to admit in the licensing meetings
that a nuclear power plant will normally kill several people each
year of operation. (without an accident).. I.E. Nuclear Power plants
routinely vent radioactive gases through a carbon filter, but it's not
perfect.
http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/gen-comm/info-notices/1983/in83052.html
"On February 27, 1983, during normal power operation of Turkey Point
Unit 3, the contents of waste gas decay tank (WGDT) No. 2 were
inadvertently released to the environs via the auxiliary building
exhaust fan to the plant vent."
"the licensee determined approximately 18 curies of gaseous
activity were released. This reported release quantity is about 0.02%
of the allowable quarterly release limit for total gaseous releases. "
Using a little math (13.0 / 0.0002 * 2) indicates that their
license allows TP (3&4) to release 180,000 curries of mostly short
lived radioactive gases each quarter or 720,000 curries each year..
Since these are radioactive gasses with relatively short half life
plus potential internal exposure (Distance == 0) makes them
considerably more dangerous than a simple external exposure.
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| User: "nada" |
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21 Jan 2008 05:44:49 PM |
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On Jan 21, 6:19 am, T. Keating <tkuse...@ktcnslt.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 00:29:59 -0800 (PST),
wrote:
I'll just snip David's rant,
there is little value discussing issues with irrational people who
can't deal with the scientific method. (or provide any credible
supporting links to back up their opinion.)
(Note: The science community often changes previous consensus based
on a fresh analysis of the accumulate data sets.)
He thinks the National Academy of Sciences lies about nearly
everything. I.E.. He claims LNT i sa lie.. How about GW? Or
mankind's role in creating it?
P.S.. External exposure to radiation is obviously far less dangerous
then a internal exposure. (Externally, one is protected by several
layers of dead skin. hair, clothes, etc.)
http://www.nasonline.org/site/PageServer?pagename=ABOUT_main_page
"The National Academy of Sciences (NAS) is an honorific society of
distinguished scholars engaged in scientific and engineering research,
dedicated to the furtherance of science and technology and to their
use for the general welfare. "
"The NAS was signed into being by President Abraham Lincoln on March
3, 1863, at the height of the Civil War. As mandated in its Act of
Incorporation, the NAS has, since 1863, served to "investigate,
examine, experiment, and report upon any subject of science or art"
whenever called upon to do so by any department of the government."
====
The NRC well let's say they have a vested interest in supporting
nuclear power.. They've starting to admit in the licensing meetings
that a nuclear power plant will normally kill several people each
year of operation. (without an accident).. I.E. Nuclear Power plants
routinely vent radioactive gases through a carbon filter, but it's not
perfect.
http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/gen-comm/info-notices/1...
"On February 27, 1983, during normal power operation of Turkey Point
Unit 3, the contents of waste gas decay tank (WGDT) No. 2 were
inadvertently released to the environs via the auxiliary building
exhaust fan to the plant vent."
"the licensee determined approximately 18 curies of gaseous
activity were released. This reported release quantity is about 0.02%
of the allowable quarterly release limit for total gaseous releases. "
Using a little math (13.0 / 0.0002 * 2) indicates that their
license allows TP (3&4) to release 180,000 curries of mostly short
lived radioactive gases each quarter or 720,000 curries each year..
Since these are radioactive gasses with relatively short half life
plus potential internal exposure (Distance == 0) makes them
considerably more dangerous than a simple external exposure.
Keating, you are providing nothing new. Both the NAS and NRC are
EQUALLY subject to political pressure. Local medical agencies and
state medial boards tend to be less so since they have few full time
people working at them. There has been no cancer clusters, or better
written "cancer clusters" as a result of TMI. None. Everythng is just
conjecture based on a slowly increasing cancer rates in the enitre
state from before, druing and after TMI because it is one of the
mostly heavily polluted states, thanks to coal, in the US. This is why
NO cancer has been attriubed to radiation FROM TMI. The entire eastern
part of the state sites on higher than normal milirem emitting shale
and granite. Even this, however, I suspect has little to do with the
increase in cancer. I will repeat that there is no *medical* evidence
showing TMI had a thing to do with an increase in death.
Inversely, there is plenty of *statistical* evidence that people who
live near nuclear power plants have LOWER cancer rates than the
average American. It is statistically true, as well, that nuclear
power plant workers have a LOWER than average cancer rate than other
power plant workers and industrial workers in general. I would NOT
draw from these FACTS (but I would using your method) that building
nuclear power plants makes for lower cancer rates. Why? Because that
is not how real statistical analysis is done, given so many
externalities. I suggest you stop using political groups totally BS
hypothesis to prove a point that no medical institution backs your
argument with.
If you are going to attack NPP, do what MOST anti-nuclear groups have
done and focus on the economics and long term spent fuel issue. No one
believes the malarkey about radioactive chocolate bars from Hershey,
PA.
David
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21 Jan 2008 04:18:10 AM |
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On Jan 20, 7:05=A0pm, and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
[Please read the disclaimer and conditions at the end of this post.]
NUCLEAR POWER IS DIRTY, DANGEROUS AND EXPENSIVE
All power is dangerous. That's why nobody lets sci.environment
use power, but just environments.
It most ways, it doesn't matter if nuclear power is ditry.
Since coal power is dusty, oil power is slimy, and electic power
is radical.
Forwarded message from "Richard Moore" <r...@quaylargo.com>
Nuclear power is dirty, dangerous and expensive
Saturday, January 19, 2008
http://www.straightgoods.ca/ViewFeature8.cfm?REF=3D19
Saskatchewan's critical choice
Nuclear power is dirty, dangerous and expensive =A0and it
won't solve global warming either.
By Jim Harding
Monday, January 14, 2008
The world can no longer ignore the steadily mounting
evidence that we must quickly replace greenhouse gas (GHG)
emitting fuels (coal, oil, gas) as our main energy source
if we are to avert catastrophic climate change.
Nukes: to reduce coal-fired plants' GHGs yet meet
anticipated demand, a new nuclear power plant would have to
be built somewhere in the world every 15 days.
Three criteria can help steer the decisions about this
urgent conversion to sustainable energy.
First, new energy systems must significantly reduce the
GHGs emitted: we must move to low or, preferably, no-carbon
energy sources.
Second, the new energy systems must not create other
environmental or peace and security issues: they must be
ecologically and socially sustainable. As part of this they
must be much more egalitarian.
And third, the new energy systems must be able to rapidly
enter the market and be cost effective.
Before we apply these criteria to nuclear, it is vital to
understand the makeup and sources of GHGs. Carbon dioxide
(CO2) accounts for three-quarters (76 percent) of them, so
reducing CO2 is fundamental to any strategy for averting
extreme climate change. However, only one-third of the CO2
comes from electrical power plants =A0mostly from coal. The
other two-thirds come from transportation (mostly cars and
trucks) and from buildings, including factories and home
heating. The rest of the GHGs come from methane (13
percent), nitrous oxide (5 percent) and fluorocarbons,
which includes the ozone-depleters.
When anyone proposes nuclear replacing coal as a magic
bullet for global warming they are therefore only
addressing one-quarter of the sources of GHGs. We have to
assess nuclear's capability in this context of reducing
GHGs from electrical power plants, which must include doing
cost and risk comparisons with other sources of electricity
such as efficiency, wind and solar (photovoltaic) energy.
The myth of clean nuclear energy
The Canadian Nuclear Association (CNA) aggressively
promotes nuclear as "clean". Since the nuclear fuel system
produces cancer-causing radiation from uranium tailings to
spent fuel this is clearly untrue. Recent research
(accepted by the international radiation monitoring body,
and reported in its BEIR VII report), has confirmed there
is no safe level of radiation.
By using the word "clean", the CNA clearly wants us to
believe that nuclear doesn't produce GHGs. There is some
trickery here, as it is true that the nuclear power plant
does not release GHGs. But the overall assertion is untrue.
The nuclear industry is extremely energy-intensive, using
massive GHG-producing fossil fuels =A0from mining and milling
to enriching uranium, to constructing and decommissioning
huge nuclear power plants, to transporting and storing
nuclear wastes.
Saskatchewan is now the biggest uranium-producing region in
the world. Half of its exports go to the US, where uranium
is enriched using two dirty coal-fired plants at Paducah,
Kentucky. According to the US Department of Energy the most
potent of the GHGs =A0the otherwise banned ozone-depleting
CFC 114 =A0continues to be released through this uranium
enrichment.
Weighing carbon emissions
Though not at all "clean", nuclear is a lower-carbon fuel
than coal, which presently produces 64 percent of global
electricity. What kind of expansion in nuclear would be
required to make a significant global dint in the emissions
of GHGs from these power plants?
Two global scenarios have recently been studied, both
assuming a growth of electricity of 2.1 percent per year.
First, a 2003 MIT study looked at the impact of a three-
fold increase in nuclear electrical capacity =A0to 1,000
Gigawatts (GW) =A0by 2050.
Taking into account shut-downs of aging, ever more
dangerous, nuclear plants, this scenario would require that
a new nuclear power plant be built somewhere every 15 days
from 2010 to 2050. And even if this were accomplished
(hypothetically), electricity from nuclear would still only
grow from 16 percent to 20 percent of global electrical
production (and from 5 percent to 6 percent of total energy
use). Worse, GHGs would continue to rise.
This totally unrealistic scenario clearly shows that
nuclear is not a magic bullet for global warming. It should
therefore be rejected outright as a policy option. We'd end
up with more radioactive contamination and still not
curtail the rise in GHGs. This is going from the frying pan
of global warming into the nuclear fire.
The second scenario, studied by Brice Smith for his 2006
book, Insurmountable Risks: The Dangers of Using Nuclear
Power to Combat Global Warming, makes the same assumptions
as the MIT study, except it calculates the number of
nuclear power plants required to bring GHGs from power
plants to 2000 levels by 2050. This scenario would require
about 2,500 GW of nuclear electricity (or a seven-fold
expansion) and would see nuclear playing the same relative
role as coal does today.
However, if the first scenario is unrealistic, this one is
delusional, for it would require more than one nuclear
plant being built somewhere every week. This is simply not
going to happen.
These two scenarios confirm earlier work by energy analyst
Charles Komanoff and the US-based Union of Concerned
Scientists (UCS). They show the nuclear option fails to
meet the first criterion of being capable of reducing GHGs
even in the one area of power plants.
The danger is that immense nuclear propaganda will blind
decision-makers in their desperate search for a magic
bullet. Then nuclear will be embraced for political-
economic reasons, and =A0worse =A0distract decision-makers and
public from the urgent task at hand.
This approach is apparent in both the Federal Conservative
Government that wants nuclear to help produce heavy oil,
the dirtiest of all fossil fuels =A0so much for the magic
bullet =A0and the Saskatchewan NDP Government, that just
doesn't seem to "get it" that nuclear is not sustainable
development in either the economic or ecological sense.
Nuclear energy comes with its own risks
Nuclear cannot realistically reduce GHGs, but any expansion
of nuclear power would increase the chance of a
catastrophic nuclear accident and the dangers of
accumulating nuclear wastes and proliferation. Therefore,
nuclear totally fails on the second criterion, of
sustainability and environmental sensitivity.
Smith estimates that the chances of a nuclear accident
occurring in the US by 2050 are 75 percent with the MIT
scenario, and 90 percent with his own. This is not
reassuring. He rightly points out that a major nuclear
accident would increase global opposition to further
nuclear expansion. We'd be back to the drawing board for
solutions to climate change, while being still further
along the extreme climate change scenario.
Global warming makes nuclear power even more dangerous, due
to the importance of its coolant system to avert a
meltdown. As the Saskatchewan Environmental Society (SES)
said in its 2006 pamphlet: "During France's heat wave in
2003, engineers told the government they could no longer
guarantee the safety of the country's 58 nuclear plants.
This kind of problem will likely become more common with
climate change."
Lest we forget, the nuclear fuel going into all these
French reactors, which could contaminate Europe if any of
them were to melt down, comes from Northern Saskatchewan,
where the huge French nuclear conglomerate Areva (Cogema)
operates. If (when?) a nuclear accident happens in France,
or another country depending on Saskatchewan uranium such
as Japan or the US, what will we say? Will the very short-
term economic benefits here have been worth the loss of
arable land and death and suffering of so many others
elsewhere?
The case against nuclear grows the more nuclear amnesia is
challenged. If nuclear were to expand there would be a
steady accumulation of deadly nuclear wastes, such as
plutonium, which is toxic for 8000 generations. The
scenarios of global nuclear growth discussed above would
require the building of a permanent storage site every 3 to
5 12 years.
Repositories for nuclear wastes =A0deposits in geologically
stable mines =A0have been talked about since 1957. But, as
Smith points out, "not one spent fuel rod has yet been
permanently disposed of anywhere in the world." This is the
same system that the AECL and Nuclear Waste Management
Organization (NWMO) are presently lobbying First Nations
bands about in Northern Saskatchewan and elsewhere.
Nuclear power plants are not economic
These reasons are more than enough for any reasonable and
compassionate person to support a sustainable, renewable
energy system that addresses global warming, and, in the
process, phases-out nuclear energy. But there is more.
At its peak, even with huge subsidies, France, the country
most dependent on nuclear-generated electricity (80
percent), only built a few reactors a year. It is obviously
not economically realistic to consider a nuclear power
plant being built every week. Not only would this divert
labour and capital from making the quick transition to
sustainable, renewable energy, but the world's financiers
are generally not predisposed to nuclear's costly and risky
technology. Without government legislation (eg Canada's
Nuclear Liability Act) that protects the nuclear industry
from liability in the case of multi-billion dollar
accidents, the industry wouldn't even be in the energy
market.
Nuclear, therefore, fails on the third criterion, of cost
effectiveness and flexibility.
Cost ...
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On Jan 20, 7:05=A0pm, and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
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Nukes: to reduce coal-fired plants' GHGs yet meet
anticipated demand, a new nuclear power plant would have to
be built somewhere in the world every 15 days.
Hee hee. You silly.
China is completing a coal fired power plant about once each week
to ten days. You pay your money and you choose your poison.
Socks
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On Jan 21, 1:05 am, and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
[Please read the disclaimer and conditions at the end of this post.]
NUCLEAR POWER IS DIRTY, DANGEROUS AND EXPENSIVE
Forwarded message from "Richard Moore" <r...@quaylargo.com>
Nuclear power is dirty, dangerous and expensive
Saturday, January 19, 2008
http://www.straightgoods.ca/ViewFeature8.cfm?REF=19
Saskatchewan's critical choice
Nuclear power is dirty, dangerous and expensive and it
won't solve global warming either.
By Jim Harding
Monday, January 14, 2008
The world can no longer ignore the steadily mounting
evidence that we must quickly replace greenhouse gas (GHG)
emitting fuels (coal, oil, gas) as our main energy source
if we are to avert catastrophic climate change.
Nukes: to reduce coal-fired plants' GHGs yet meet
anticipated demand, a new nuclear power plant would have to
be built somewhere in the world every 15 days.
Three criteria can help steer the decisions about this
urgent conversion to sustainable energy.
First, new energy systems must significantly reduce the
GHGs emitted: we must move to low or, preferably, no-carbon
energy sources.
Second, the new energy systems must not create other
environmental or peace and security issues: they must be
ecologically and socially sustainable. As part of this they
must be much more egalitarian.
And third, the new energy systems must be able to rapidly
enter the market and be cost effective.
Before we apply these criteria to nuclear, it is vital to
understand the makeup and sources of GHGs. Carbon dioxide
(CO2) accounts for three-quarters (76 percent) of them, so
reducing CO2 is fundamental to any strategy for averting
extreme climate change. However, only one-third of the CO2
comes from electrical power plants mostly from coal. The
other two-thirds come from transportation (mostly cars and
trucks) and from buildings, including factories and home
heating. The rest of the GHGs come from methane (13
percent), nitrous oxide (5 percent) and fluorocarbons,
which includes the ozone-depleters.
When anyone proposes nuclear replacing coal as a magic
bullet for global warming they are therefore only
addressing one-quarter of the sources of GHGs. We have to
assess nuclear's capability in this context of reducing
GHGs from electrical power plants, which must include doing
cost and risk comparisons with other sources of electricity
such as efficiency, wind and solar (photovoltaic) energy.
The myth of clean nuclear energy
The Canadian Nuclear Association (CNA) aggressively
promotes nuclear as "clean". Since the nuclear fuel system
produces cancer-causing radiation from uranium tailings to
spent fuel this is clearly untrue. Recent research
(accepted by the international radiation monitoring body,
and reported in its BEIR VII report), has confirmed there
is no safe level of radiation.
By using the word "clean", the CNA clearly wants us to
believe that nuclear doesn't produce GHGs. There is some
trickery here, as it is true that the nuclear power plant
does not release GHGs. But the overall assertion is untrue.
The nuclear industry is extremely energy-intensive, using
massive GHG-producing fossil fuels from mining and milling
to enriching uranium, to constructing and decommissioning
huge nuclear power plants, to transporting and storing
nuclear wastes.
Saskatchewan is now the biggest uranium-producing region in
the world. Half of its exports go to the US, where uranium
is enriched using two dirty coal-fired plants at Paducah,
Kentucky. According to the US Department of Energy the most
potent of the GHGs the otherwise banned ozone-depleting
CFC 114 continues to be released through this uranium
enrichment.
Weighing carbon emissions
Though not at all "clean", nuclear is a lower-carbon fuel
than coal, which presently produces 64 percent of global
electricity. What kind of expansion in nuclear would be
required to make a significant global dint in the emissions
of GHGs from these power plants?
Two global scenarios have recently been studied, both
assuming a growth of electricity of 2.1 percent per year.
First, a 2003 MIT study looked at the impact of a three-
fold increase in nuclear electrical capacity to 1,000
Gigawatts (GW) by 2050.
Taking into account shut-downs of aging, ever more
dangerous, nuclear plants, this scenario would require that
a new nuclear power plant be built somewhere every 15 days
from 2010 to 2050. And even if this were accomplished
(hypothetically), electricity from nuclear would still only
grow from 16 percent to 20 percent of global electrical
production (and from 5 percent to 6 percent of total energy
use). Worse, GHGs would continue to rise.
This totally unrealistic scenario clearly shows that
nuclear is not a magic bullet for global warming. It should
therefore be rejected outright as a policy option. We'd end
up with more radioactive contamination and still not
curtail the rise in GHGs. This is going from the frying pan
of global warming into the nuclear fire.
The second scenario, studied by Brice Smith for his 2006
book, Insurmountable Risks: The Dangers of Using Nuclear
Power to Combat Global Warming, makes the same assumptions
as the MIT study, except it calculates the number of
nuclear power plants required to bring GHGs from power
plants to 2000 levels by 2050. This scenario would require
about 2,500 GW of nuclear electricity (or a seven-fold
expansion) and would see nuclear playing the same relative
role as coal does today.
However, if the first scenario is unrealistic, this one is
delusional, for it would require more than one nuclear
plant being built somewhere every week. This is simply not
going to happen.
These two scenarios confirm earlier work by energy analyst
Charles Komanoff and the US-based Union of Concerned
Scientists (UCS). They show the nuclear option fails to
meet the first criterion of being capable of reducing GHGs
even in the one area of power plants.
The danger is that immense nuclear propaganda will blind
decision-makers in their desperate search for a magic
bullet. Then nuclear will be embraced for political-
economic reasons, and worse distract decision-makers and
public from the urgent task at hand.
This approach is apparent in both the Federal Conservative
Government that wants nuclear to help produce heavy oil,
the dirtiest of all fossil fuels so much for the magic
bullet and the Saskatchewan NDP Government, that just
doesn't seem to "get it" that nuclear is not sustainable
development in either the economic or ecological sense.
Nuclear energy comes with its own risks
Nuclear cannot realistically reduce GHGs, but any expansion
of nuclear power would increase the chance of a
catastrophic nuclear accident and the dangers of
accumulating nuclear wastes and proliferation. Therefore,
nuclear totally fails on the second criterion, of
sustainability and environmental sensitivity.
Smith estimates that the chances of a nuclear accident
occurring in the US by 2050 are 75 percent with the MIT
scenario, and 90 percent with his own. This is not
reassuring. He rightly points out that a major nuclear
accident would increase global opposition to further
nuclear expansion. We'd be back to the drawing board for
solutions to climate change, while being still further
along the extreme climate change scenario.
Global warming makes nuclear power even more dangerous, due
to the importance of its coolant system to avert a
meltdown. As the Saskatchewan Environmental Society (SES)
said in its 2006 pamphlet: "During France's heat wave in
2003, engineers told the government they could no longer
guarantee the safety of the country's 58 nuclear plants.
This kind of problem will likely become more common with
climate change."
Lest we forget, the nuclear fuel going into all these
French reactors, which could contaminate Europe if any of
them were to melt down, comes from Northern Saskatchewan,
where the huge French nuclear conglomerate Areva (Cogema)
operates. If (when?) a nuclear accident happens in France,
or another country depending on Saskatchewan uranium such
as Japan or the US, what will we say? Will the very short-
term economic benefits here have been worth the loss of
arable land and death and suffering of so many others
elsewhere?
The case against nuclear grows the more nuclear amnesia is
challenged. If nuclear were to expand there would be a
steady accumulation of deadly nuclear wastes, such as
plutonium, which is toxic for 8000 generations. The
scenarios of global nuclear growth discussed above would
require the building of a permanent storage site every 3 to
5 12 years.
Repositories for nuclear wastes deposits in geologically
stable mines have been talked about since 1957. But, as
Smith points out, "not one spent fuel rod has yet been
permanently disposed of anywhere in the world." This is the
same system that the AECL and Nuclear Waste Management
Organization (NWMO) are presently lobbying First Nations
bands about in Northern Saskatchewan and elsewhere.
Nuclear power plants are not economic
These reasons are more than enough for any reasonable and
compassionate person to support a sustainable, renewable
energy system that addresses global warming, and, in the
process, phases-out nuclear energy. But there is more.
At its peak, even with huge subsidies, France, the country
most dependent on nuclear-generated electricity (80
percent), only built a few reactors a year. It is obviously
not economically realistic to consider a nuclear power
plant being built every week. Not only would this divert
labour and capital from making the quick transition to
sustainable, renewable energy, but the world's financiers
are generally not predisposed to nuclear's costly and risky
technology. Without government legislation (eg Canada's
Nuclear Liability Act) that protects the nuclear industry
from liability in the case of multi-billion dollar
accidents, the industry wouldn't even be in the energy
market.
Nuclear, therefore, fails on the third criterion, of cost
effectiveness and flexibility.
Cost comparisons of nuclear vs sustainable, renewable
alternatives should put the final nail in the nuclear
coffin. While the nuclear industry says new reactors could
produce electricity for 6-7 cents per kWh, these estimates
depend on the nuclear industry continuing to be heavily
subsidized by the taxpayer.
When the cost of borrowing money is factored in, Ontario's
Energy Probe estimates that subsidies to the AECL total
around $75 billion. Several studies (eg reported in New
Scientist, and discussed in Helen Caldicott's new book)
have shown that without these direct and hidden subsidies,
the cost of nuclear would increase three-fold (ie 300
percent) to the consumer. This holds true for Ontario Hydro
consumers, who suffer from a serious case of "nuclear
dependence", which has created a public debt of $35
billion.
Even without a level playing field, energy efficiency, co-
generation and wind are already cheaper than nuclear (or
coal) at 4-6 cents per kWh. According to Amory Lovins of
the Rocky Mountain Institute, renewable energy, worldwide,
has already passed nuclear as a source of electricity (20
percent to 16 percent). This increase in renewables is
partly due to wind, biomass and solar power, but is also
due to co-generation from waste heat. Wave (tidal) power
will soon accelerate this trend.
In 2004 small-scale renewables added 6 times the capacity
to generate electricity and 3 times the electrical output
as did nuclear. According to the SES, by 2010, "renewable
energy is projected to outstrip nuclear power's energy
output by 43 percent globally".
While Saskatchewan's NDP government has made an important
step towards supporting wind power, its policies hold back
decentralized energy production (we need net-metering) and
still emphasize an economy based on exporting polluting and
toxic non-renewables such as uranium and oil. (In 2003, 78
percent of the primary energy exported from Saskatchewan
came from uranium; 20 percent came from fossil fuels.) We
are quickly becoming known as the main world region for
exporting radioactivity (uranium) as well as having
Canada's highest per capita GHGs emissions.
A costly way to create jobs
All aspects of economics, including job-creation, go
against nuclear. Nuclear is extremely capital-intensive.
Even including its front-end uranium mining, nuclear
produces very little employment per amount invested.
Each job in uranium mining involves $750,000 or more of
capital. Uranium mining has delivered a pittance of the
royalties originally promised to the province and one-half
of the jobs promised to northern Indigenous people. And it
is making the North a Nuclear Sacrificial Area.
Meanwhile, study after study has confirmed that a renewable
energy sector produces many more jobs. Wind, like solar,
produces five times as much employment as nuclear per
amount invested. Yet, according to the Federation of
Saskatchewan Indian Nations (FSIN), SaskPower turned down a
request to partner on a wind farm with a northern Band.
Co-op wind farms in rural Saskatchewan should also be
encouraged.
Since Germany decided to phase out nuclear power, renewable
energy there has grown to provide 250,000 jobs. Solar
energy is beginning to replace fossil fuel generated
electricity and lower GHGs and it is expected to produce
200,000 jobs by 2020. By then 27 percent of Germany's
electricity will come from renewables.
Furthermore, Germany's quick transition from nuclear to
renewables shows how important it is to resist
privatization of public utilities here and elsewhere.
Unlike places like New Zealand, which privatized
electricity during its neo-liberal days, Germany was able
to pass legislation in 2000 that provides cash incentives
for shifting to renewable energy, which has made a dramatic
difference.
Consumers can feed back energy into the power grid. Power
companies must pay 49 cents a kWh to buy solar electricity
for the grid. This cost still saves them money, compared to
the capital costs of nuclear or coal plants and the
projected costs of climate change.
Meanwhile Saskatchewan asks consumers to pay extra for
"Green" Wind Power. We clearly have to get serious and not
just engage in a face-lift on an unsustainable and
dangerous non-renewable energy policy.
Saskatchewan has an important choice to make over the near
future. Will Cameco, Cogema and the ill-informed Saskatoon
Chamber of Commerce, with its amoral approach to economic
development, prevail? Will Saskatchewan expand the costly
and dangerous nuclear fuel system with a uranium refinery
and perhaps a nuclear waste dump? Will it support nuclear
power for the tar sands?
As we've seen, going nuclear will do nothing to avert
global warming, though some big business would make huge
profits. However, this approach would divert capital and
labour from truly making the urgent conversion to a
sustainable, renewable energy system.
Perhaps the most vital consideration of all is that
wholeheartedly embracing nuclear energy will condemn future
generations to accumulating radioactive weapons and wastes
while failing to help make the necessary transition needed
to avert catastrophic climate change. This would be a
double-whammy for our children's children.
Jim Harding is a retired professor of environmental and
justice studies who gardens, writes and hosts retreat-
workshops for activists on the Crows Nest Ecology Preserve
in the Qu'Appelle Valley. He presently teaches a class on
"Ecology and Justice" as an Adjunct Professor at the
University of Regina and is active with the Ecumenical
Coalition KAIROS in its campaign for a just and sustainable
energy policy.
References: Brice Smith, Insurmountable Risks: The Dangers
of Using Nuclear Power to Combat Global Warming. (IEER
Press, 2006); Helen Caldicott, Nuclear Power Is Not The
Answer, (The New Press, 2006); and, Jim Harding, Canada's
Deadly Secret: Saskatchewan Uranium and the Global Nuclear
System, (Fernwood, 2007).
Jim Harding, PhD, and author of Canada's Deadly Secret:
Saskatchewan Uranium and the Global Nuclear System, will be
in the Ottawa region the week of January 21, 2008 making
stops in Ottawa, Wakefield, Perth and Carleton Place. He
will address the implications of potential uranium mining
in eastern Ontario and West Quebec. For more info, see
website below.
Related addresses:
know-uranium.org/Jim_Harding_Event/
Newslog archives:
http://cyberjournal.org/show_archives/?lists=newslog
Escaping the Matrix website:
http://escapingthematrix.org/
cyberjournal website:
http://cyberjournal.org
How We the People can change the world:
http://governourselves.blogspot.com/
The Post-Bush Regime: A Prognosis
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7693
Community Democracy Framework:
http://cyberjournal.org/DemocracyFramework.html
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/newslog/
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