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| User: |
"Laurent" |
| Date: |
18 Aug 2005 03:42:45 AM |
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OK, this is it |
"An act is a temporal process, and self-inclusion is a spatial
relation. The act of self-inclusion is thus "where time becomes
space"; for the set of all sets, there can be no more fundamental
process...
Every object in spacetime includes the entirety of spacetime as a
state-transition syntax (logic) according to which its next state is
created. This guarantees the mutual consistency of states and the
overall unity of the dynamic entity the real universe...
....thus, we can speak of time and space as equivalent to cognition
and information with respect to the invariant semantic relation
processes, as in "time processes space" and "cognition processes
information"...
It follows that the universe freely determines its own constraints,
the establishment of nomology and the creation of its physical
(observable) content being effectively simultaneous and recursive.
The incoversive distribution of this relationship is the basis of
free will, by virtue of which the universe is freely created by
sentient agents existing within it." ----- Christopher Michael
Langan
http://www.ctmu.org/CTMU/Q&A/Archive.html
---------------------------------------------------
God is Spirit and Spirit is will, energy enbued with intention,
purpose comes after, with matter and spacetime. Syntropy comes from
Spirit, from will, once God learns what it has materialy become, it
wills a general direction for matter's evolution to follow, that's
why in that sense it is correct to say we are God's eyes, God's
brain... we are God's conscience.
This process, what we call evolution, has now become, after two
major planetary extinctions, the anthropomorphization of matter. Had
there been no asteroids crashing into earth, no major extinction
causing cataclisms, reptiles would had been the ones still ruling
the earth, and those are also randomly happening events.
God couldn't think unless it had a brain. Matter evolved into
creatures with eyes and a brain because God willed it, God wanted to
exist and it exists through matter and spacetime. So in that sense
it is OK to say there is an intelligent designer, the Universe
designs itself. It is an autopoietic process ruled by a syntropic
principle which comes from Spirit.
"Every object in spacetime includes the entirety of spacetime as a
state-transition syntax according to which its next state is
created. This guarantees the mutual consistency of states and the
overall unity of the dynamic entity the real universe...
Being and existing are two different things, you can be without
existing but you can't exist without being, it's that simple.
God is but it couldn't exist unless it turned into matter.
Since God is not matter, it is OK to say it is nothingness,
immaterial... it is the empty space in which the Universe sits, that
substance from which the Universe emerged which many have called the
Aether. Heaven is not a plce separated from this earthly world, the
whole Universe sits on this empty space from which it emerged and
evolved as a natural process.
According to Maturana and Varela, systems which exchange
information - such as the ones we create - generate autopoesis -
self-organizing systems through a process known as structural
coupling. They say:
"In describing autopoeitic unity as having a particular structure,
it will become clear to us that the interactions (as long as they
are recurrent) between unity and environment will consist of
reciprocal perturbations. In these interactions, the structure of
the environment only triggers structural changes in the autopoeitic
unities (it does not specify or direct them), and vice versa for the
environment. The result will be a history of mutual congruent
structural changes as long as autopoeitic unity and its containing
environments do not disintegrate: there will be a structural
coupling." ------- Maturana and Varela (The Tree of Knowledge: The
Biological Roots of Human Understanding)
------------------
"In other words, while the precise qualities of information transfer
may not be directed, the fact that there is information flow between
an organism and its environment - in the context of the current
discussion, between Phi and Psi - necessarily implies that a
second-order unity - a meta-system - is created. It is my
assertion - and the thesis of this lecture - that this autopoesis
creates what we call "reality", that any presentation of information
engages us in a feedback loop between information presenter and
informed presentee until both forms enter a stable meta-state.
In other words, what we perceive becomes, or rather, converges, on
what is real, and both what is perceived and what is real undergo
epistemological transformation during the process of what I would
call generative epistemology." --- author unknown to me
http://www.hyperreal.org/~mpesce/viz97.html
-----------------
"AETHER, or ETHER (Gr. ai6rip, probably from aWu, I burn, though
Plato in his Cratylns (410 B) derives the name from its perpetual
motionart. ad 0ei irepl rbv aepa pku>v, aeiderip 8ucaius av
KaXoIro), a substance of a more subtle kind than visible bodies,
supposed to exist in those parts of space which are apparently
empty.
The hypothesis of an aether has been maintained by different
speculators for very different reasons. To those who maintained the
existence of a plenum as a philosophical principle, nature's
abhorrence of a vacuum was a sufficient reason for imagining an
all-surrounding aether, even though every other argument should be
against it. To Descartes, who made extension the sole essential
property of matter, and matter a necessary condition of extension,
the bare existence of bodies apparently at a distance was a proof of
the existence of a continuous medium between them. But besides these
high metaphysical necessities for a medium, there were more mundane
uses to be fulfilled by aethers. Aethers were invented for the
planets to swim in, to constitute electric atmospheres and magnetic
effluvia..."
Quote from - http://68.1911encyclopedia.org/A/AE/AETHER.htm - also
found at - http://cyberdyno.home.att.net/
------------------
Empty space is one... and God is one.
But this Aether concept didn't start there, many advanced
civilizations looked at the Divine not as a person but as order or
harmony, i. e. Master Lao's Tao (500 BC), which was supposed to be
in a state of unbeing and from which everything came to being and
then back to unbeing as a natural process. This oneness, this
wholeness in Nature, is a very old notion which goes back in history
at least 4,500 years (Imhotep).
--
Laurent
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| User: "Josef Matz" |
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| Title: Re: OK, this is it |
18 Aug 2005 04:19:55 AM |
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"Laurent" <cyberdyno1@netscape.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:9SXMe.628260$cg1.568054@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
"An act is a temporal process, and self-inclusion is a spatial
relation. The act of self-inclusion is thus "where time becomes
space"; for the set of all sets, there can be no more fundamental
process...
Every object in spacetime includes the entirety of spacetime as a
state-transition syntax (logic) according to which its next state is
created. This guarantees the mutual consistency of states and the
overall unity of the dynamic entity the real universe...
...thus, we can speak of time and space as equivalent to cognition
and information with respect to the invariant semantic relation
processes, as in "time processes space" and "cognition processes
information"...
It follows that the universe freely determines its own constraints,
the establishment of nomology and the creation of its physical
(observable) content being effectively simultaneous and recursive.
The incoversive distribution of this relationship is the basis of
free will, by virtue of which the universe is freely created by
sentient agents existing within it." ----- Christopher Michael
Langan
http://www.ctmu.org/CTMU/Q&A/Archive.html
---------------------------------------------------
God is Spirit and Spirit is will, energy enbued with intention,
purpose comes after, with matter and spacetime. Syntropy comes from
Spirit, from will, once God learns what it has materialy become, it
wills a general direction for matter's evolution to follow, that's
why in that sense it is correct to say we are God's eyes, God's
brain... we are God's conscience.
This process, what we call evolution, has now become, after two
major planetary extinctions, the anthropomorphization of matter. Had
there been no asteroids crashing into earth, no major extinction
causing cataclisms, reptiles would had been the ones still ruling
the earth, and those are also randomly happening events.
God couldn't think unless it had a brain. Matter evolved into
creatures with eyes and a brain because God willed it, God wanted to
exist and it exists through matter and spacetime. So in that sense
it is OK to say there is an intelligent designer, the Universe
designs itself. It is an autopoietic process ruled by a syntropic
principle which comes from Spirit.
"Every object in spacetime includes the entirety of spacetime as a
state-transition syntax according to which its next state is
created. This guarantees the mutual consistency of states and the
overall unity of the dynamic entity the real universe...
Being and existing are two different things, you can be without
existing but you can't exist without being, it's that simple.
God is but it couldn't exist unless it turned into matter.
Since God is not matter, it is OK to say it is nothingness,
immaterial... it is the empty space in which the Universe sits, that
substance from which the Universe emerged which many have called the
Aether. Heaven is not a plce separated from this earthly world, the
whole Universe sits on this empty space from which it emerged and
evolved as a natural process.
According to Maturana and Varela, systems which exchange
information - such as the ones we create - generate autopoesis -
self-organizing systems through a process known as structural
coupling. They say:
"In describing autopoeitic unity as having a particular structure,
it will become clear to us that the interactions (as long as they
are recurrent) between unity and environment will consist of
reciprocal perturbations. In these interactions, the structure of
the environment only triggers structural changes in the autopoeitic
unities (it does not specify or direct them), and vice versa for the
environment. The result will be a history of mutual congruent
structural changes as long as autopoeitic unity and its containing
environments do not disintegrate: there will be a structural
coupling." ------- Maturana and Varela (The Tree of Knowledge: The
Biological Roots of Human Understanding)
------------------
"In other words, while the precise qualities of information transfer
may not be directed, the fact that there is information flow between
an organism and its environment - in the context of the current
discussion, between Phi and Psi - necessarily implies that a
second-order unity - a meta-system - is created. It is my
assertion - and the thesis of this lecture - that this autopoesis
creates what we call "reality", that any presentation of information
engages us in a feedback loop between information presenter and
informed presentee until both forms enter a stable meta-state.
In other words, what we perceive becomes, or rather, converges, on
what is real, and both what is perceived and what is real undergo
epistemological transformation during the process of what I would
call generative epistemology." --- author unknown to me
http://www.hyperreal.org/~mpesce/viz97.html
-----------------
"AETHER, or ETHER (Gr. ai6rip, probably from aWu, I burn, though
Plato in his Cratylns (410 B) derives the name from its perpetual
motionart. ad 0ei irepl rbv aepa pku>v, aeiderip 8ucaius av
KaXoIro), a substance of a more subtle kind than visible bodies,
supposed to exist in those parts of space which are apparently
empty.
The hypothesis of an aether has been maintained by different
speculators for very different reasons. To those who maintained the
existence of a plenum as a philosophical principle, nature's
abhorrence of a vacuum was a sufficient reason for imagining an
all-surrounding aether, even though every other argument should be
against it. To Descartes, who made extension the sole essential
property of matter, and matter a necessary condition of extension,
the bare existence of bodies apparently at a distance was a proof of
the existence of a continuous medium between them. But besides these
high metaphysical necessities for a medium, there were more mundane
uses to be fulfilled by aethers. Aethers were invented for the
planets to swim in, to constitute electric atmospheres and magnetic
effluvia..."
Quote from - http://68.1911encyclopedia.org/A/AE/AETHER.htm - also
found at - http://cyberdyno.home.att.net/
------------------
Empty space is one... and God is one.
But this Aether concept didn't start there, many advanced
civilizations looked at the Divine not as a person but as order or
harmony, i. e. Master Lao's Tao (500 BC), which was supposed to be
in a state of unbeing and from which everything came to being and
then back to unbeing as a natural process. This oneness, this
wholeness in Nature, is a very old notion which goes back in history
at least 4,500 years (Imhotep).
--
Laurent
I think god is more. The first impulse for example. Then it also could be
that he acts but hiding behind
accident. He is somebody that is within our thoughts and he can influence
large groups. But of shure the senses and feeling is something which can not
be calculated. The qualities like feeling, taste, smell, thoughts, dreams,
colours ... can therefore be interpreted as a presentation of what we call
god.
Those experiences make us different from "computer programs". So the biggest
wonder is probably not that the universe exists but that we can experience
it.
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| User: "Laurent" |
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| Title: Re: OK, this is it |
18 Aug 2005 09:39:37 PM |
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"Josef Matz" <josefmatz@arcor.de> wrote in message
news:43045187$0$24159$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net...
"Laurent" <cyberdyno1@netscape.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:9SXMe.628260$cg1.568054@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
"An act is a temporal process, and self-inclusion is a spatial
relation. The act of self-inclusion is thus "where time becomes
space"; for the set of all sets, there can be no more
fundamental
process...
Every object in spacetime includes the entirety of spacetime as
a
state-transition syntax (logic) according to which its next
state is
created. This guarantees the mutual consistency of states and
the
overall unity of the dynamic entity the real universe...
...thus, we can speak of time and space as equivalent to
cognition
and information with respect to the invariant semantic relation
processes, as in "time processes space" and "cognition processes
information"...
It follows that the universe freely determines its own
constraints,
the establishment of nomology and the creation of its physical
(observable) content being effectively simultaneous and
recursive.
The incoversive distribution of this relationship is the basis
of
free will, by virtue of which the universe is freely created by
sentient agents existing within it." ----- Christopher Michael
Langan
http://www.ctmu.org/CTMU/Q&A/Archive.html
---------------------------------------------------
God is Spirit and Spirit is will, energy enbued with intention,
purpose comes after, with matter and spacetime. Syntropy comes
from
Spirit, from will, once God learns what it has materialy become,
it
wills a general direction for matter's evolution to follow,
that's
why in that sense it is correct to say we are God's eyes, God's
brain... we are God's conscience.
This process, what we call evolution, has now become, after two
major planetary extinctions, the anthropomorphization of matter.
Had
there been no asteroids crashing into earth, no major extinction
causing cataclisms, reptiles would had been the ones still
ruling
the earth, and those are also randomly happening events.
God couldn't think unless it had a brain. Matter evolved into
creatures with eyes and a brain because God willed it, God
wanted to
exist and it exists through matter and spacetime. So in that
sense
it is OK to say there is an intelligent designer, the Universe
designs itself. It is an autopoietic process ruled by a
syntropic
principle which comes from Spirit.
"Every object in spacetime includes the entirety of spacetime as
a
state-transition syntax according to which its next state is
created. This guarantees the mutual consistency of states and
the
overall unity of the dynamic entity the real universe...
Being and existing are two different things, you can be without
existing but you can't exist without being, it's that simple.
God is but it couldn't exist unless it turned into matter.
Since God is not matter, it is OK to say it is nothingness,
immaterial... it is the empty space in which the Universe sits,
that
substance from which the Universe emerged which many have called
the
Aether. Heaven is not a plce separated from this earthly world,
the
whole Universe sits on this empty space from which it emerged
and
evolved as a natural process.
According to Maturana and Varela, systems which exchange
information - such as the ones we create - generate autopoesis -
self-organizing systems through a process known as structural
coupling. They say:
"In describing autopoeitic unity as having a particular
structure,
it will become clear to us that the interactions (as long as
they
are recurrent) between unity and environment will consist of
reciprocal perturbations. In these interactions, the structure
of
the environment only triggers structural changes in the
autopoeitic
unities (it does not specify or direct them), and vice versa for
the
environment. The result will be a history of mutual congruent
structural changes as long as autopoeitic unity and its
containing
environments do not disintegrate: there will be a structural
coupling." ------- Maturana and Varela (The Tree of Knowledge:
The
Biological Roots of Human Understanding)
------------------
"In other words, while the precise qualities of information
transfer
may not be directed, the fact that there is information flow
between
an organism and its environment - in the context of the current
discussion, between Phi and Psi - necessarily implies that a
second-order unity - a meta-system - is created. It is my
assertion - and the thesis of this lecture - that this
autopoesis
creates what we call "reality", that any presentation of
information
engages us in a feedback loop between information presenter and
informed presentee until both forms enter a stable meta-state.
In other words, what we perceive becomes, or rather, converges,
on
what is real, and both what is perceived and what is real
undergo
epistemological transformation during the process of what I
would
call generative epistemology." --- author unknown to me
http://www.hyperreal.org/~mpesce/viz97.html
-----------------
"AETHER, or ETHER (Gr. ai6rip, probably from aWu, I burn, though
Plato in his Cratylns (410 B) derives the name from its
perpetual
motionart. ad 0ei irepl rbv aepa pku>v, aeiderip 8ucaius av
KaXoIro), a substance of a more subtle kind than visible bodies,
supposed to exist in those parts of space which are apparently
empty.
The hypothesis of an aether has been maintained by different
speculators for very different reasons. To those who maintained
the
existence of a plenum as a philosophical principle, nature's
abhorrence of a vacuum was a sufficient reason for imagining an
all-surrounding aether, even though every other argument should
be
against it. To Descartes, who made extension the sole essential
property of matter, and matter a necessary condition of
extension,
the bare existence of bodies apparently at a distance was a
proof of
the existence of a continuous medium between them. But besides
these
high metaphysical necessities for a medium, there were more
mundane
uses to be fulfilled by aethers. Aethers were invented for the
planets to swim in, to constitute electric atmospheres and
magnetic
effluvia..."
Quote from - http://68.1911encyclopedia.org/A/AE/AETHER.htm -
also
found at - http://cyberdyno.home.att.net/
------------------
Empty space is one... and God is one.
But this Aether concept didn't start there, many advanced
civilizations looked at the Divine not as a person but as order
or
harmony, i. e. Master Lao's Tao (500 BC), which was supposed to
be
in a state of unbeing and from which everything came to being
and
then back to unbeing as a natural process. This oneness, this
wholeness in Nature, is a very old notion which goes back in
history
at least 4,500 years (Imhotep).
--
Laurent
I think god is more. The first impulse for example. Then it also
could be
that he acts but hiding behind
accident. He is somebody that is within our thoughts and he can
influence
large groups. But of shure the senses and feeling is something
which can not
be calculated. The qualities like feeling, taste, smell, thoughts,
dreams,
colours ... can therefore be interpreted as a presentation of what
we call
god.
Those experiences make us different from "computer programs". So
the biggest
wonder is probably not that the universe exists but that we can
experience
it.
It, not He.
God is a thing.
--
Laurent
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| User: "Richard" |
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| Title: Re: OK, this is it |
19 Aug 2005 12:15:55 PM |
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"Laurent" <cyberdyno1@netscape.com> wrote in message
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It, not He.
God is a thing.
Incorrect.
God has to have pesonality.
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| User: "Josef Matz" |
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| Title: Re: OK, this is it |
19 Aug 2005 03:02:28 PM |
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"Richard" <useless@dot.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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"Laurent" <cyberdyno1@netscape.com> wrote in message
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It, not He.
God is a thing.
Incorrect.
God has to have pesonality.
Probably yes - god is believe and of shure personal reflection. If he really
exists as an independent actor or not is believe. And everybody must answer
this question for his or her own. You cant approve that.
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| User: "Hatunen" |
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19 Aug 2005 04:10:21 PM |
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On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 18:15:55 +0100, "Richard" <useless@dot.com>
wrote:
"Laurent" <cyberdyno1@netscape.com> wrote in message
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It, not He.
God is a thing.
Incorrect.
God has to have pesonality.
Why?
************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@cox.net) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
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| User: "Richard" |
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20 Aug 2005 05:46:45 AM |
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On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 18:15:55 +0100, "Richard" <useless@dot.com>
wrote:
"Laurent" <cyberdyno1@netscape.com> wrote in message
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It, not He.
God is a thing.
Incorrect.
God has to have pesonality.
Why?
No being with the degree of awareness and intelligence that God has can
avoid having personality. Personality cannot be divorced from awareness
and intelligence.
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| User: "Laurent" |
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20 Aug 2005 04:47:07 PM |
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On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 18:15:55 +0100, "Richard"
<useless@dot.com>
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"Laurent" <cyberdyno1@netscape.com> wrote in
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It, not He.
God is a thing.
Incorrect.
God has to have pesonality.
Why?
No being with the degree of awareness and
intelligence that God has can
avoid having personality. Personality cannot be
divorced from awareness
and intelligence.
God is a thing, but it is immaterial, and It can't have
awareness or intelligence in the absence of matter. To
have a personality it needs to be a person, a material
being.
Matter and empty space are one and the same entity,
therefore the
physical and the spiritual are also one and the same,
there is no
duality. Consciousness (which to me is synonymous to
Aether, Spirit,
God or even empty space) is where the Universe (the
physical) emerged from.
Spirit can act (will) without a brain but not think,
Consciousness
needs matter (a brain and eyes) to see and then think.
Anyway, what could empty space think about?
--
Laurent
-----------------------
Last Tribulations on God, Spirit and the Aether
"An act is a temporal process, and self-inclusion is a
spatial relation. The act of self-inclusion is thus
"where time becomes space"; for the set of all sets,
there can be no more fundamental process...
Every object in spacetime includes the entirety of
spacetime as a state-transition syntax (logic)
according to which its next state is created. This
guarantees the mutual consistency of states and the
overall unity of the dynamic entity the real
universe...
....thus, we can speak of time and space as equivalent
to cognition and information with respect to the
invariant semantic relation processes, as in "time
processes space" and "cognition processes
information"...
It follows that the universe freely determines its own
constraints, the establishment of nomology and the
creation of its physical (observable) content being
effectively simultaneous and recursive. The incoversive
distribution of this relationship is the basis of free
will, by virtue of which the universe is freely created
by sentient agents existing within it." -----
Christopher Michael Langan
http://www.ctmu.org/CTMU/Q&A/Archive.html
---------------------------------------------------
God is Spirit and Spirit is will, energy enbued with
intention, purpose comes after, with matter and
spacetime. Syntropy comes from Spirit, from will, once
God learns what it has materially become, it wills a
general direction for matter's evolution to follow,
that's why in that sense it is correct to say we are
God's eyes, God's brain... we are God's conscience.
This process, what we call evolution, has now become,
after two major planetary extinctions, the
anthropomorphization of matter. Had there been no
asteroids crashing into earth, no major extinction
causing cataclysms, reptiles would still be ruling the
earth.
Asteroids crashing into Earth are randomly happening
events.
God couldn't think unless it had a brain. Matter
evolved into creatures with eyes and a brain because
God willed it, God wanted to exist and it exists
through matter and spacetime. So in that sense it is OK
to say there is an intelligent designer, the Universe
designs itself. It is an autopoietic process ruled by a
syntropic principle which comes from Spirit.
Being and existing are two different things, you can be
without existing but you can't exist without being,
it's that simple.
God is but it couldn't exist unless it turned into
matter.
Since God is not matter, it is OK to say it is
nothingness, immaterial... it is the empty space in
which the Universe sits, that substance from which the
Universe emerged which many have called the Aether.
Heaven is not a place separated from this earthly
world, the whole Universe sits on this empty space from
which it emerged and evolved as a natural process.
According to Maturana and Varela, systems which
exchange information - such as the ones we create -
generate autopoiesis - self-organizing systems through
a process known as structural coupling. They say:
"In describing autopoietic unity as having a particular
structure, it will become clear to us that the
interactions (as long as they are recurrent) between
unity and environment will consist of reciprocal
perturbations. In these interactions, the structure of
the environment only triggers structural changes in the
autopoietic unities (it does not specify or direct
them), and vice versa for the environment. The result
will be a history of mutual congruent structural
changes as long as autopoietic unity and its containing
environments do not disintegrate: there will be a
structural coupling." ------- Maturana and Varela (The
Tree of Knowledge: The
Biological Roots of Human Understanding)
------------------
"In other words, while the precise qualities of
information transfer may not be directed, the fact that
there is information flow between an organism and its
environment - in the context of the current discussion,
between Phi and Psi - necessarily implies that a
second-order unity - a meta-system - is created. It is
my assertion - and the thesis of this lecture - that
this autopoiesis creates what we call "reality", that
any presentation of information engages us in a
feedback loop between information presenter and
informed presentee until both forms enter a stable
meta-state.
In other words, what we perceive becomes, or rather,
converges, on what is real, and both what is perceived
and what is real undergo epistemological transformation
during the process of what I would call generative
epistemology." --- author unknown to me
http://www.hyperreal.org/~mpesce/viz97.html
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"AETHER, or ETHER (Gr. ai6rip, probably from aWu, I
burn, though Plato in his Cratylns (410 B) derives the
name from its perpetual motionart. ad 0ei irepl rbv
aepa pku>v, aeiderip 8ucaius av KaXoIro), a substance
of a more subtle kind than visible bodies, supposed to
exist in those parts of space which are apparently
empty.
The hypothesis of an aether has been maintained by
different speculators for very different reasons. To
those who maintained the existence of a plenum as a
philosophical principle, nature's abhorrence of a
vacuum was a sufficient reason for imagining an
all-surrounding aether, even though every other
argument should be against it. To Descartes, who made
extension the sole essential property of matter, and
matter a necessary condition of extension, the bare
existence of bodies apparently at a distance was a
proof of the existence of a continuous medium between
them. But besides these high metaphysical necessities
for a medium, there were more mundane uses to be
fulfilled by aethers. Aethers were invented for the
planets to swim in, to constitute electric atmospheres
and magnetic effluvia..."
Quote from -
http://68.1911encyclopedia.org/A/AE/AETHER.htm - also
found at - http://cyberdyno.home.att.net/
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Empty space is one... and God is one.
But this Aether concept didn't start there, many
advanced civilizations looked at the Divine not as a
person but as order or harmony, i. e. Master Lao's Tao
(500 BC), which was supposed to be in a state of
unbeing and from which everything came to being and
then back to unbeing as a natural process. This
oneness, this wholeness in Nature, is a very old notion
which goes back in history at least 4,500 years
(Imhotep).
--
Laurent
http://cyberdyno.home.att.net/
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On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 11:46:45 +0100, "Richard" <useless@dot.com>
wrote:
"Hatunen" <hatuunen@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 18:15:55 +0100, "Richard" <useless@dot.com>
wrote:
"Laurent" <cyberdyno1@netscape.com> wrote in message
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It, not He.
God is a thing.
Incorrect.
God has to have pesonality.
Why?
No being with the degree of awareness and intelligence that God has can
avoid having personality. Personality cannot be divorced from awareness
and intelligence.
Why not?
I think you are trying to anthropomorphize God thourhg some need
to make him/her human.
************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@cox.net) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
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Richard said something to the effect of:
God is a thing.
Incorrect.
God has to have pesonality.
Why?
No being with the degree of awareness and intelligence that God has can
avoid having personality. Personality cannot be divorced from awareness
and intelligence.
Umm, now all you have to do is demonstrate:
1) G~d exists
2) G~d is aware [in like hypotheses that G~d is te laws of the physical
universe or G~d is another term for nature, or any of the other
definitions of G~d that preclude him being aware.
3) G~d has intelligence. See for example the discussion on
Unintelligent Design for numerous rreason that G~d (assuming such a
being exists) may be really, really stupid.
My only advice for someone digging such a deep hole is that when you
start feeling heat below you feet, STOP DIGGING, magma may come
spouting up.
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18 Aug 2005 03:50:46 AM |
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"Laurent" <cyberdyno1@netscape.com> wrote in
"An act is a temporal process, and self-inclusion is a spatial
relation. The act of self-inclusion is thus "where time becomes
space"; for the set of all sets, there can be no more fundamental
process...
relevance?
Every object in spacetime includes the entirety of spacetime as a
state-transition syntax (logic) according to which its next state is
created. This guarantees the mutual consistency of states and the
overall unity of the dynamic entity the real universe...
yes at an abstract level
...thus, we can speak of time and space as equivalent to cognition
and information with respect to the invariant semantic relation
processes, as in "time processes space" and "cognition processes
information"...
yes
It follows that the universe freely determines its own constraints,
right conclusion, but it doesn't follow
the establishment of nomology and the creation of its physical
(observable) content being effectively simultaneous and recursive.
The incoversive distribution of this relationship is the basis of
free will, by virtue of which the universe is freely created by
sentient agents existing within it." ----- Christopher Michael
Langan
http://www.ctmu.org/CTMU/Q&A/Archive.html
AHH no wonder he was right, Chris Langan smartest tested person on Earth.
Herc
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God is Spirit and Spirit is will, energy enbued with intention,
purpose comes after, with matter and spacetime. Syntropy comes from
Spirit, from will, once God learns what it has materialy become, it
wills a general direction for matter's evolution to follow, that's
why in that sense it is correct to say we are God's eyes, God's
brain... we are God's conscience.
This process, what we call evolution, has now become, after two
major planetary extinctions, the anthropomorphization of matter. Had
there been no asteroids crashing into earth, no major extinction
causing cataclisms, reptiles would had been the ones still ruling
the earth, and those are also randomly happening events.
God couldn't think unless it had a brain. Matter evolved into
creatures with eyes and a brain because God willed it, God wanted to
exist and it exists through matter and spacetime. So in that sense
it is OK to say there is an intelligent designer, the Universe
designs itself. It is an autopoietic process ruled by a syntropic
principle which comes from Spirit.
"Every object in spacetime includes the entirety of spacetime as a
state-transition syntax according to which its next state is
created. This guarantees the mutual consistency of states and the
overall unity of the dynamic entity the real universe...
Being and existing are two different things, you can be without
existing but you can't exist without being, it's that simple.
God is but it couldn't exist unless it turned into matter.
Since God is not matter, it is OK to say it is nothingness,
immaterial... it is the empty space in which the Universe sits, that
substance from which the Universe emerged which many have called the
Aether. Heaven is not a plce separated from this earthly world, the
whole Universe sits on this empty space from which it emerged and
evolved as a natural process.
According to Maturana and Varela, systems which exchange
information - such as the ones we create - generate autopoesis -
self-organizing systems through a process known as structural
coupling. They say:
"In describing autopoeitic unity as having a particular structure,
it will become clear to us that the interactions (as long as they
are recurrent) between unity and environment will consist of
reciprocal perturbations. In these interactions, the structure of
the environment only triggers structural changes in the autopoeitic
unities (it does not specify or direct them), and vice versa for the
environment. The result will be a history of mutual congruent
structural changes as long as autopoeitic unity and its containing
environments do not disintegrate: there will be a structural
coupling." ------- Maturana and Varela (The Tree of Knowledge: The
Biological Roots of Human Understanding)
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"In other words, while the precise qualities of information transfer
may not be directed, the fact that there is information flow between
an organism and its environment - in the context of the current
discussion, between Phi and Psi - necessarily implies that a
second-order unity - a meta-system - is created. It is my
assertion - and the thesis of this lecture - that this autopoesis
creates what we call "reality", that any presentation of information
engages us in a feedback loop between information presenter and
informed presentee until both forms enter a stable meta-state.
In other words, what we perceive becomes, or rather, converges, on
what is real, and both what is perceived and what is real undergo
epistemological transformation during the process of what I would
call generative epistemology." --- author unknown to me
http://www.hyperreal.org/~mpesce/viz97.html
-----------------
"AETHER, or ETHER (Gr. ai6rip, probably from aWu, I burn, though
Plato in his Cratylns (410 B) derives the name from its perpetual
motionart. ad 0ei irepl rbv aepa pku>v, aeiderip 8ucaius av
KaXoIro), a substance of a more subtle kind than visible bodies,
supposed to exist in those parts of space which are apparently
empty.
The hypothesis of an aether has been maintained by different
speculators for very different reasons. To those who maintained the
existence of a plenum as a philosophical principle, nature's
abhorrence of a vacuum was a sufficient reason for imagining an
all-surrounding aether, even though every other argument should be
against it. To Descartes, who made extension the sole essential
property of matter, and matter a necessary condition of extension,
the bare existence of bodies apparently at a distance was a proof of
the existence of a continuous medium between them. But besides these
high metaphysical necessities for a medium, there were more mundane
uses to be fulfilled by aethers. Aethers were invented for the
planets to swim in, to constitute electric atmospheres and magnetic
effluvia..."
Quote from - http://68.1911encyclopedia.org/A/AE/AETHER.htm - also
found at - http://cyberdyno.home.att.net/
------------------
Empty space is one... and God is one.
But this Aether concept didn't start there, many advanced
civilizations looked at the Divine not as a person but as order or
harmony, i. e. Master Lao's Tao (500 BC), which was supposed to be
in a state of unbeing and from which everything came to being and
then back to unbeing as a natural process. This oneness, this
wholeness in Nature, is a very old notion which goes back in history
at least 4,500 years (Imhotep).
--
Laurent
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18 Aug 2005 09:39:39 PM |
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"|-|erc" <h@r.c> wrote in message
news:43044b65$0$2272$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net...
"Laurent" <cyberdyno1@netscape.com> wrote in
"An act is a temporal process, and self-inclusion is a spatial
relation. The act of self-inclusion is thus "where time becomes
space"; for the set of all sets, there can be no more
fundamental
process...
relevance?
Self-inclusion, implying that there is no duality, no God here and
Universe there.
The Universe is self-organized.
--
Laurent
Every object in spacetime includes the entirety of spacetime as
a
state-transition syntax (logic) according to which its next
state is
created. This guarantees the mutual consistency of states and
the
overall unity of the dynamic entity the real universe...
yes at an abstract level
...thus, we can speak of time and space as equivalent to
cognition
and information with respect to the invariant semantic relation
processes, as in "time processes space" and "cognition processes
information"...
yes
It follows that the universe freely determines its own
constraints,
right conclusion, but it doesn't follow
The Universe designs itself.
the establishment of nomology and the creation of its physical
(observable) content being effectively simultaneous and
recursive.
The incoversive distribution of this relationship is the basis
of
free will, by virtue of which the universe is freely created by
sentient agents existing within it." ----- Christopher Michael
Langan
http://www.ctmu.org/CTMU/Q&A/Archive.html
AHH no wonder he was right, Chris Langan smartest tested person on
Earth.
Herc
---------------------------------------------------
God is Spirit and Spirit is will, energy enbued with intention,
purpose comes after, with matter and spacetime. Syntropy comes
from
Spirit, from will, once God learns what it has materialy become,
it
wills a general direction for matter's evolution to follow,
that's
why in that sense it is correct to say we are God's eyes, God's
brain... we are God's conscience.
This process, what we call evolution, has now become, after two
major planetary extinctions, the anthropomorphization of matter.
Had
there been no asteroids crashing into earth, no major extinction
causing cataclisms, reptiles would had been the ones still
ruling
the earth, and those are also randomly happening events.
God couldn't think unless it had a brain. Matter evolved into
creatures with eyes and a brain because God willed it, God
wanted to
exist and it exists through matter and spacetime. So in that
sense
it is OK to say there is an intelligent designer, the Universe
designs itself. It is an autopoietic process ruled by a
syntropic
principle which comes from Spirit.
"Every object in spacetime includes the entirety of spacetime as
a
state-transition syntax according to which its next state is
created. This guarantees the mutual consistency of states and
the
overall unity of the dynamic entity the real universe...
Being and existing are two different things, you can be without
existing but you can't exist without being, it's that simple.
God is but it couldn't exist unless it turned into matter.
Since God is not matter, it is OK to say it is nothingness,
immaterial... it is the empty space in which the Universe sits,
that
substance from which the Universe emerged which many have called
the
Aether. Heaven is not a plce separated from this earthly world,
the
whole Universe sits on this empty space from which it emerged
and
evolved as a natural process.
According to Maturana and Varela, systems which exchange
information - such as the ones we create - generate autopoesis -
self-organizing systems through a process known as structural
coupling. They say:
"In describing autopoeitic unity as having a particular
structure,
it will become clear to us that the interactions (as long as
they
are recurrent) between unity and environment will consist of
reciprocal perturbations. In these interactions, the structure
of
the environment only triggers structural changes in the
autopoeitic
unities (it does not specify or direct them), and vice versa for
the
environment. The result will be a history of mutual congruent
structural changes as long as autopoeitic unity and its
containing
environments do not disintegrate: there will be a structural
coupling." ------- Maturana and Varela (The Tree of Knowledge:
The
Biological Roots of Human Understanding)
------------------
"In other words, while the precise qualities of information
transfer
may not be directed, the fact that there is information flow
between
an organism and its environment - in the context of the current
discussion, between Phi and Psi - necessarily implies that a
second-order unity - a meta-system - is created. It is my
assertion - and the thesis of this lecture - that this
autopoesis
creates what we call "reality", that any presentation of
information
engages us in a feedback loop between information presenter and
informed presentee until both forms enter a stable meta-state.
In other words, what we perceive becomes, or rather, converges,
on
what is real, and both what is perceived and what is real
undergo
epistemological transformation during the process of what I
would
call generative epistemology." --- author unknown to me
http://www.hyperreal.org/~mpesce/viz97.html
-----------------
"AETHER, or ETHER (Gr. ai6rip, probably from aWu, I burn, though
Plato in his Cratylns (410 B) derives the name from its
perpetual
motionart. ad 0ei irepl rbv aepa pku>v, aeiderip 8ucaius av
KaXoIro), a substance of a more subtle kind than visible bodies,
supposed to exist in those parts of space which are apparently
empty.
The hypothesis of an aether has been maintained by different
speculators for very different reasons. To those who maintained
the
existence of a plenum as a philosophical principle, nature's
abhorrence of a vacuum was a sufficient reason for imagining an
all-surrounding aether, even though every other argument should
be
against it. To Descartes, who made extension the sole essential
property of matter, and matter a necessary condition of
extension,
the bare existence of bodies apparently at a distance was a
proof of
the existence of a continuous medium between them. But besides
these
high metaphysical necessities for a medium, there were more
mundane
uses to be fulfilled by aethers. Aethers were invented for the
planets to swim in, to constitute electric atmospheres and
magnetic
effluvia..."
Quote from - http://68.1911encyclopedia.org/A/AE/AETHER.htm -
also
found at - http://cyberdyno.home.att.net/
------------------
Empty space is one... and God is one.
But this Aether concept didn't start there, many advanced
civilizations looked at the Divine not as a person but as order
or
harmony, i. e. Master Lao's Tao (500 BC), which was supposed to
be
in a state of unbeing and from which everything came to being
and
then back to unbeing as a natural process. This oneness, this
wholeness in Nature, is a very old notion which goes back in
history
at least 4,500 years (Imhotep).
--
Laurent
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18 Aug 2005 10:11:20 PM |
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"Laurent" <cyberdyno1@netscape.com> wrote in >
"|-|erc" <h@r.c> wrote in message
"Laurent" <cyberdyno1@netscape.com> wrote in
"An act is a temporal process, and self-inclusion is a spatial
relation. The act of self-inclusion is thus "where time becomes
space"; for the set of all sets, there can be no more
fundamental
process...
relevance?
Self-inclusion, implying that there is no duality, no God here and
Universe there.
The Universe is self-organized.
Tell Chris Langan my name is Graham Cooper, I am the groom computer and
there are 10,000 witnesses in Townsville Australia that know I am genesis
Adam and his CTMU is proven.
Herc
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www.Upload4FREE.com
Hosted on a 2 terabyte/month dedicated server, images up to 2 MB
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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18 Aug 2005 01:25:48 PM |
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Laurent wrote:
[snip crap]
Empty space is one... and God is one.
[snip more crap]
But this Aether concept didn't start there, many advanced
civilizations looked at the Divine not as a person but as
[snip rest of crap]
Physics Today 57(7) 40 (2004)
http://physicstoday.org/vol-57/iss-7/p40.shtml
No aether
http://fsweb.berry.edu/academic/mans/clane/
http://physicsweb.org/articles/world/17/3/7
No Lorentz violation
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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18 Aug 2005 08:55:29 PM |
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"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:4304D2AC.D4EB2EF@hate.spam.net...
Laurent wrote:
Physics Today 57(7) 40 (2004)
http://physicstoday.org/vol-57/iss-7/p40.shtml
No aether
http://fsweb.berry.edu/academic/mans/clane/
http://physicsweb.org/articles/world/17/3/7
No Lorentz violation
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
"Physical knowledge has advanced much since 1905,
notably by the arrival of quantum mechanics, and the situation
[about the scientific plausibility of aether] has again changed.
If one examines the question in the light of present-day
knowledge, one finds that the aether is no longer ruled out
by relativity, and good reasons can now be advanced for
postulating an aether. . . .
We can now see that we may very well have an aether,
subject to quantum mechanics and conformable to relativity,
provided we are willing to consider a perfect vacuum as an
idealized state, not attainable in practice. From the
experimental point of view there does not seem to be any
objection to this. We must make some profound alterations
to the theoretical idea of the vacuum. . . . Thus, with the
new theory of electrodynamics we are rather forced to
have an aether."
---- P. A. M. Dirac,
"Is There an Aether?"
Nature 168 (1951): 906-7.
--
Pete Brown
Falls Creek
OZ
www.mountainman.com.au/aetherqr.htm
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18 Aug 2005 10:50:21 PM |
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"mountain man" <hobbit@southern_seaweed.com.op> wrote in message
news:l_aNe.4160$FA3.3117@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:4304D2AC.D4EB2EF@hate.spam.net...
Laurent wrote:
Physics Today 57(7) 40 (2004)
http://physicstoday.org/vol-57/iss-7/p40.shtml
No aether
http://fsweb.berry.edu/academic/mans/clane/
http://physicsweb.org/articles/world/17/3/7
No Lorentz violation
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
"Physical knowledge has advanced much since 1905,
notably by the arrival of quantum mechanics, and the situation
[about the scientific plausibility of aether] has again changed.
If one examines the question in the light of present-day
knowledge, one finds that the aether is no longer ruled out
by relativity, and good reasons can now be advanced for
postulating an aether. . . .
We can now see that we may very well have an aether,
subject to quantum mechanics and conformable to relativity,
provided we are willing to consider a perfect vacuum as an
idealized state, not attainable in practice. From the
experimental point of view there does not seem to be any
objection to this. We must make some profound alterations
to the theoretical idea of the vacuum. . . . Thus, with the
new theory of electrodynamics we are rather forced to
have an aether."
---- P. A. M. Dirac,
"Is There an Aether?"
Nature 168 (1951): 906-7.
--
Pete Brown
Falls Creek
OZ
www.mountainman.com.au/aetherqr.htm
I don't know what's wrong with him, he keeps posting those links
about GPS systems being the proof of Einstein's theories, when all
it does is support what I have been saying about flowing space, the
MMX and Einstein's gravitational aether.
Gravitational field strength (gravitic pressure) increases as we
get closer to Earth due to an increased density of space.
--
Laurent
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" The data from all sources, including our extensive experience
with satellites, can be most simply interpreted as indicating that
our Earth completely determines the motion of the surrounding space
for many kilometers out, sweeping it along with it into its 30km/s
uniform motion through the larger volume of space that is entrained
by our Sun and Solar system. Our galaxy, being a larger collection
of matter, entrains a larger body of space. Thus the motion of space
in any location in this Cosmos is determined by the distribution and
motion of both nearby and distant matter. " --- Henry Lindner
[...]
" In the boundary regions where there is interaction between the
space-flows of two bodies, such as between the Earth and Sun, and at
distances from bodies where entrained and non-entrained space
interact, there will be anomalous atomic clock-slowing and
accelerational effects which are not predicted by the static
solutions of the field equations of General Relativity. These could
be detected by studying the motion and atomic-clock rate of a
satellite which passes through the Earth-Sun gravitational saddle
point. " --- Henry Lindner
[...]
" Einstein developed this insight, treating gravity as an
accelerational field. He realized that being held stationary in a
gravitational field (as on the Earth's surface) had the same effects
on one's measurements as being accelerated in deep space by a rocket
(at 9.8 m/s2). Thus he formulated his principle of equivalence of
gravitational and inertial acceleration (EGIA). However, Einstein
analyzed gravity and its effects subjectivistically, placing
observers in accelerated states or in free fall relative to other
observers and considering how their measurements would differ. He
thus failed to see the objective and physical implications of the
EGIA. Let us instead treat space as a physical entity and presume
that like effects result from like causes. Let us presume that the
accelerating space ship and the Earth-surface observer are both in a
state of acceleration relative to their surrounding inertial space;
neither being free to return to the natural state of
non-acceleration relative to space. We therefore find that the EGIA
implies that in a gravitational field, inertial space itself is
accelerating towards the gravitational attractor. Indeed, an
inertial space that accelerates radially towards all matter at
GM/r^2 explains the ballistic, mechanical aspects of gravity. Thus
we find that we can improve Newton's theory by transforming his
absolute space from a solid to a liquid; allowing it to flow into
matter like a fluid into a sink. Can such a "flowing" space also
explain the other effects of gravity--such as the red shift of
atomic spectra and the curvature of light? If so, can it be mere
coincidence? " --- Henry H. Lindner
And...
" This flowing space theory, with the entrainment of space which it
implies, specifies the velocity of space at any point near a
celestial body. Assuming that light is propagated at c in space, and
that atomic clocks and atomic spectra are red shifted by their
motion in space, this theory specifies the behavior of light and
atomic clocks at any point, and in any state of motion near a
gravitating body. It specifies the actual space velocity of any
atomic clock. It can thus be compared to all known data and produces
many predictions that are absent from current models. " --- Henry H.
Lindner
http://www.geocities.com/hlindner1/Writings/Space/Physics.htm
http://www.geocities.com/hlindner1/Writings/Implicate/Implications.htm
-------------------------------------------------
Supporting quotes from Timothy Boyer's paper: The Classical Vacuum
[Scientific American, August 1985, pp 70-78.]
" The discovery of a connection between thermal radiation and the
structure of the classical vacuum reveals an unexpected unity in the
laws of physics, but it also complicates our view of what was once
considered mere empty space. Even with its pattern of electric and
magnetic fields in continual fluctuation, the vacuum remains the
simplest state of nature. "
....
" One way of understanding the effect of acceleration on the
harmonic oscillator is to ask what additional electromagnetic
spectrum could be added to the zero-point radiation to cause
the extra motion. To answer this question one can turn to the
equivalence principle on which Einstein founded his theory of
gravitation. The principle states that an observer in a small
laboratory supported in a gravitational field makes exactly the
same measurements as an observer in a small accelerating
rocket. The laws of thermodynamics are found to hold in a
gravitational field. From the equivalence principle one
therefore expects the laws of thermodynamics to hold in an
accelerating rocket. There is then only one possible
equilibrium spectrum that can be added to the zero-point
radiation: the additional radiation must have a thermal
spectrum. With any other spectrum the oscillator would not be
in thermal equilibrium with its surroundings, and so it could
serve as the basis of a perpetual-motion machine. By this route
one is led to a remarkable conclusion: a physical system
accelerated through the vacuum has the same equilibrium
properties as an unaccelerated system immersed in thermal
radiation at a temperature above absolute zero. "
....
" If one again invokes the equivalence principle relating an
observer in a gravitational field with an accelerating observer, one
concludes that there is a minimum attainable temperature in a
gravitational field. "
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18 Aug 2005 09:13:06 PM |
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On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 01:55:29 GMT, "mountain man"
<hobbit@southern_seaweed.com.op> wrote:
"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:4304D2AC.D4EB2EF@hate.spam.net...
Laurent wrote:
Physics Today 57(7) 40 (2004)
http://physicstoday.org/vol-57/iss-7/p40.shtml
No aether
http://fsweb.berry.edu/academic/mans/clane/
http://physicsweb.org/articles/world/17/3/7
No Lorentz violation
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
"Physical knowledge has advanced much since 1905,
notably by the arrival of quantum mechanics, and the situation
[about the scientific plausibility of aether] has again changed.
If one examines the question in the light of present-day
knowledge, one finds that the aether is no longer ruled out
by relativity, and good reasons can now be advanced for
postulating an aether. . . .
We can now see that we may very well have an aether,
subject to quantum mechanics and conformable to relativity,
provided we are willing to consider a perfect vacuum as an
idealized state, not attainable in practice. From the
experimental point of view there does not seem to be any
objection to this. We must make some profound alterations
to the theoretical idea of the vacuum. . . . Thus, with the
new theory of electrodynamics we are rather forced to
have an aether."
---- P. A. M. Dirac,
"Is There an Aether?"
Nature 168 (1951): 906-7.
Ah jeez Pete, you're outting Dirac :)
Paul Stowe
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