Science > Physics > OT: which are some classic text-books in engineering history, science, signal processing and communication ?
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07 Aug 2004 11:20:51 AM |
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OT: which are some classic text-books in engineering history, science, signal processing and communication ? |
I need this info because i want to purchase those books.
Also, please suggest some shops in USA where i can get these books
at very low prices !!! ( I will have to convert between my
currency and dollar - hence the low price requirement. ) I dont
mind the condition of the book.
Why are technical books so costly in USA ?? Food is cheap ; cloth
is cheap ; why not book also ?? ( I guess most of this money goes to
author. )
How about some books in popular science and maths categories ?
I find Dover books and AMS ( american mathematical society ) books are interesting.
In communication,
Wozencraft and jacobs
Van Trees
Franks - signal theory
Kailath
come to mind .
thanks
shankar
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| User: "Ian Taylor" |
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09 Aug 2004 04:42:08 AM |
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(kbc) wrote in message news:<a382521e.0408070820.4a341ff6@posting.google.com>...
I need this info because i want to purchase those books.
Also, please suggest some shops in USA where i can get these books
at very low prices !!! ( I will have to convert between my
currency and dollar - hence the low price requirement. ) I dont
mind the condition of the book.
Why are technical books so costly in USA ?? Food is cheap ; cloth
is cheap ; why not book also ?? ( I guess most of this money goes to
author. )
How about some books in popular science and maths categories ?
I find Dover books and AMS ( american mathematical society ) books are interesting.
In communication,
Wozencraft and jacobs
My rather eclectic book collection includes such classics as:
Milne-Thompson, "Theoretical Hydrodynamics"
Dirac, "The Principles of Quantum Mechanics"
Ziman, "Elements of Advanced Quantum Mechanics"
Reichl, "A Modern Course in Statistical Physics"
Goodstein, "States of Matter"
Planck, "Eight Lectures on Theoretical Physics"
Schrodinger, "Statistical Thermodynamics"
Feynmann Lectures in Physics, Vols 1-3
Matthew & Walker, "Mathematical Methods of Physics"
Seeger, "Semiconductor Physics"
Cvitanovic, "Universality in Chaos"
Peitgen, Jurgens, Saupe, "Chaos & Fractals"
Hopf, "Differential Equations in Physics"
Hardy & Wright, "Introduction to Theory of Numbers"
Bowden and Tabor, "Friction & Lubrication of Solids"
Landsberg, "Recombination in Semiconductors"
Press et al, "Numerical Recipes (FORTRAN)"
Baxter, "Exactly Solved Models in Statistical Mechanics"
These should be a good start - will keep you going for a while !
Ian Taylor
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| User: "mugwoump" |
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07 Aug 2004 01:25:31 PM |
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Buy used about 3 or 4 years back, much cheaper, mostly same info. New is
ripoff.
"kbc" <kbc32@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:a382521e.0408070820.4a341ff6@posting.google.com...
I need this info because i want to purchase those books.
Also, please suggest some shops in USA where i can get these books
at very low prices !!! ( I will have to convert between my
currency and dollar - hence the low price requirement. ) I dont
mind the condition of the book.
Why are technical books so costly in USA ?? Food is cheap ; cloth
is cheap ; why not book also ?? ( I guess most of this money goes to
author. )
How about some books in popular science and maths categories ?
I find Dover books and AMS ( american mathematical society ) books are
interesting.
In communication,
Wozencraft and jacobs
Van Trees
Franks - signal theory
Kailath
come to mind .
thanks
shankar
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| User: "Gregory L. Hansen" |
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07 Aug 2004 03:43:02 PM |
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In article <a382521e.0408070820.4a341ff6@posting.google.com>,
kbc <kbc32@yahoo.com> wrote:
I need this info because i want to purchase those books.
Also, please suggest some shops in USA where i can get these books
at very low prices !!! ( I will have to convert between my
currency and dollar - hence the low price requirement. ) I dont
mind the condition of the book.
Why are technical books so costly in USA ?? Food is cheap ; cloth
is cheap ; why not book also ?? ( I guess most of this money goes to
author. )
How about some books in popular science and maths categories ?
I find Dover books and AMS ( american mathematical society ) books are
interesting.
In communication,
Wozencraft and jacobs
Van Trees
Franks - signal theory
Kailath
Every college has used bookstores. Look for your preferred books on
Amazon, they'll often list used books for a substantially lower price.
Ebay is another option, but with pretty sparse offerings.
Technical books can be outrageously priced. I've sometimes wanted to find
a list of the best cheap textbooks.
--
"Experiments are the only means of knowledge at our disposal. The rest is
poetry, imagination." -- Max Planck
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| User: "k.Wallace" |
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07 Aug 2004 09:04:48 PM |
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"Gregory L. Hansen" <glhansen@steel.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote in message
news:cf3esm$5hd$2@hood.uits.indiana.edu...
In article <a382521e.0408070820.4a341ff6@posting.google.com>,
kbc <kbc32@yahoo.com> wrote:
I need this info because i want to purchase those books.
Also, please suggest some shops in USA where i can get these books
at very low prices !!! ( I will have to convert between my
currency and dollar - hence the low price requirement. ) I dont
mind the condition of the book.
Why are technical books so costly in USA ?? Food is cheap ; cloth
is cheap ; why not book also ?? ( I guess most of this money goes to
author. )
How about some books in popular science and maths categories ?
I find Dover books and AMS ( american mathematical society ) books are
interesting.
In communication,
Wozencraft and jacobs
Van Trees
Franks - signal theory
Kailath
Every college has used bookstores. Look for your preferred books on
Amazon, they'll often list used books for a substantially lower price.
Ebay is another option, but with pretty sparse offerings.
Technical books can be outrageously priced. I've sometimes wanted to find
a list of the best cheap textbooks.
check out www.allbookstores.com. Their search engine looks at a whole lot
of different sites, including ebay, alibris, amazon, and whatever else is
out there, and if you enter a title, author, or isbn and then click on
'check prices', you get a list of offerings at a bunch of sites at lots of
different prices. I would also buy the most-recent-before-this-one edition,
as the info is usually just the same for 1/3 or less the price.
Unfortunately as a student currently I can't do that, I need the recent ed,
but I still this coming fall term saved about 250usd by using this site and
www.addall.com to find my books. very useful stuff.
-kWallace
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"Experiments are the only means of knowledge at our disposal. The rest is
poetry, imagination." -- Max Planck
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| User: "" |
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08 Aug 2004 03:36:40 AM |
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In article <cf3esm$5hd$2@hood.uits.indiana.edu>,
(Gregory L. Hansen) wrote:
In article <a382521e.0408070820.4a341ff6@posting.google.com>,
kbc <kbc32@yahoo.com> wrote:
I need this info because i want to purchase those books.
Also, please suggest some shops in USA where i can get these books
at very low prices !!! ( I will have to convert between my
currency and dollar - hence the low price requirement. ) I dont
mind the condition of the book.
Why are technical books so costly in USA ?? Food is cheap ; cloth
is cheap ; why not book also ?? ( I guess most of this money goes to
author. )
How about some books in popular science and maths categories ?
I find Dover books and AMS ( american mathematical society ) books are
interesting.
In communication,
Wozencraft and jacobs
Van Trees
Franks - signal theory
Kailath
Every college has used bookstores. Look for your preferred books on
Amazon, they'll often list used books for a substantially lower price.
Ebay is another option, but with pretty sparse offerings.
Technical books can be outrageously priced.
Not enough volume, I suppose. If these text book writers would just
add some steamy sex scenes, they might get more cirulation ;-).
..I've sometimes wanted to find
a list of the best cheap textbooks.
My town dump set up a recycling building where people can dump
stuff they don't want. One of the more brilliant additions
was a set of shelves. I've found all kinds of texts, histories,
and other stuff at the dump. Our public library also acquired a
new PHB. She's dumping old books; so there's a small bookcase
that has these forlorn books. I've acquired all the classic
scifi by visiting that bookcase.
/BAH
Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.
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| User: "Ben Bradley" |
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| Title: Re: OT: which are some classic text-books in engineering history, science, signal processing and communication ? |
08 Aug 2004 02:08:45 PM |
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In comp.dsp,sci.math,sci.physics, (kbc) wrote:
I need this info because i want to purchase those books.
Also, please suggest some shops in USA where i can get these books
at very low prices !!! ( I will have to convert between my
currency and dollar - hence the low price requirement. ) I dont
mind the condition of the book.
Then you'll love these, bookfinder even has an option to show
prices in various non-USA currencies:
http://www.bookfinder.com
http://used.addall.com
Also http://www.amazon.com - if they (or rather, someone selling
through them) have used copies of a particular book, there will be a
"show used copies" link.
Why are technical books so costly in USA ?? Food is cheap ; cloth
is cheap ; why not book also ?? ( I guess most of this money goes to
author. )
Because technical books cost a lot to write and publish (I suspect
editors like to go over such books with fine tooth combs to reduce or
eleminate embarrasing technical errors), and there's a much smaller
market for them than (for example) popular fiction, so they have to
charge more to break even.
How about some books in popular science and maths categories ?
I find Dover books and AMS ( american mathematical society ) books are interesting.
Dover does paperback reprints of classic technical texts, so they
don't have to pay much if any royalties to the author or his/her
estate. And it seems they do the more common titles, so they can sell
enough to break even when charging $10 to $15 per book.
Also, two publishers of popular "hobbiest" technical books are Tab
and Sams, though some of these titles have content as valuable as many
academic books.
In communication,
Wozencraft and jacobs
Van Trees
Franks - signal theory
Kailath
come to mind .
thanks
shankar
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http://mindspring.com/~benbradley
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| User: "kbc" |
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09 Aug 2004 12:15:28 AM |
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Ben Bradley <ben_nospam_bradley@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<shuch0h32j1tfe5j61vd5qnobcl6a2nn22@4ax.com>...
In comp.dsp,sci.math,sci.physics, (kbc) wrote:
I need this info because i want to purchase those books.
Also, please suggest some shops in USA where i can get these books
at very low prices !!! ( I will have to convert between my
currency and dollar - hence the low price requirement. ) I dont
mind the condition of the book.
Then you'll love these, bookfinder even has an option to show
prices in various non-USA currencies:
http://www.bookfinder.com
http://used.addall.com
Also http://www.amazon.com - if they (or rather, someone selling
through them) have used copies of a particular book, there will be a
"show used copies" link.
Why are technical books so costly in USA ?? Food is cheap ; cloth
is cheap ; why not book also ?? ( I guess most of this money goes to
author. )
Because technical books cost a lot to write and publish (I suspect
editors like to go over such books with fine tooth combs to reduce or
eleminate embarrasing technical errors), and there's a much smaller
market for them than (for example) popular fiction, so they have to
charge more to break even.
How about some books in popular science and maths categories ?
I find Dover books and AMS ( american mathematical society ) books are interesting.
Dover does paperback reprints of classic technical texts, so they
don't have to pay much if any royalties to the author or his/her
estate. And it seems they do the more common titles, so they can sell
enough to break even when charging $10 to $15 per book.
Also, two publishers of popular "hobbiest" technical books are Tab
and Sams, though some of these titles have content as valuable as many
academic books.
In communication,
Wozencraft and jacobs
Van Trees
Franks - signal theory
Kailath
come to mind .
thanks
shankar
-----
http://mindspring.com/~benbradley
Thanks to all, especially Bradley.
svk789 at yahoo dot co dot in
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| User: "Rick Lyons" |
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11 Aug 2004 09:29:20 AM |
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On 7 Aug 2004 09:20:51 -0700, (kbc) wrote:
I need this info because i want to purchase those books.
Also, please suggest some shops in USA where i can get these books
at very low prices !!! ( I will have to convert between my
currency and dollar - hence the low price requirement. ) I dont
mind the condition of the book.
Why are technical books so costly in USA ?? Food is cheap ; cloth
is cheap ; why not book also ?? ( I guess most of this money goes to
author. )
Ha ha ha ha.
Two years after the 1st edition of my DSP book was
published, my income (from royalties) was
roughly 75 cents for each hour I spent writing
the book.
Whew! I only **WISH** "most of the money"
went to the authors. As far as I can tell, the
bookstore that sells a tech book realizes a profit of
approximately three times the royalty paid to
the author.
Here's what I think for a $100 tech book:
A publisher's profit is ~$44, $14 dollars of which
are paid in corporate taxes.
("~" means approximately.)
A bookstore's profit is ~$44, $14 dollars of which
are paid in corporate taxes.
An author's income is ~$12, $3.5 dollars of which
are paid in personal income taxes.
So here's the really shameful part:
The dirty rotten stinkin' State and Federal
governments receive ~$32 on the book sale
while the author earns only ~$8.5!!!
[I have no idea what is the publisher's cost to
produce a single copy of a technical book.]
Tech books are expensive because they cost much
more to produce than typical novels, and tech books
have a much much smaller audience than novels sold
at the drug store.
But, tell me this: is an $80 tech book worth
its cost if it helps you solve a problem in
building a $1,000,000 system?
[-Rick-]
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| User: "Tim Wescott" |
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11 Aug 2004 11:15:38 PM |
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Rick Lyons wrote:
On 7 Aug 2004 09:20:51 -0700, (kbc) wrote:
I need this info because i want to purchase those books.
Also, please suggest some shops in USA where i can get these books
at very low prices !!! ( I will have to convert between my
currency and dollar - hence the low price requirement. ) I dont
mind the condition of the book.
Why are technical books so costly in USA ?? Food is cheap ; cloth
is cheap ; why not book also ?? ( I guess most of this money goes to
author. )
Ha ha ha ha.
Two years after the 1st edition of my DSP book was
published, my income (from royalties) was
roughly 75 cents for each hour I spent writing
the book.
Whew! I only **WISH** "most of the money"
went to the authors. As far as I can tell, the
bookstore that sells a tech book realizes a profit of
approximately three times the royalty paid to
the author.
Here's what I think for a $100 tech book:
A publisher's profit is ~$44, $14 dollars of which
are paid in corporate taxes.
("~" means approximately.)
A bookstore's profit is ~$44, $14 dollars of which
are paid in corporate taxes.
An author's income is ~$12, $3.5 dollars of which
are paid in personal income taxes.
So here's the really shameful part:
The dirty rotten stinkin' State and Federal
governments receive ~$32 on the book sale
while the author earns only ~$8.5!!!
[I have no idea what is the publisher's cost to
produce a single copy of a technical book.]
Tech books are expensive because they cost much
more to produce than typical novels, and tech books
have a much much smaller audience than novels sold
at the drug store.
But, tell me this: is an $80 tech book worth
its cost if it helps you solve a problem in
building a $1,000,000 system?
[-Rick-]
Which is probably why all the people I know who've written technical
books say not to do it for the money. Do it to market yourself as a
consultant or employee or to get tenure, but don't expect to get back in
royalties what you put into it in hours.
--
Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com
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| User: "Al Clark" |
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11 Aug 2004 07:23:13 PM |
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r.lyons@_BOGUS_ieee.org (Rick Lyons) wrote in news:411a28c5.533733562
@news.sf.sbcglobal.net:
On 7 Aug 2004 09:20:51 -0700, (kbc) wrote:
I need this info because i want to purchase those books.
Also, please suggest some shops in USA where i can get these books
at very low prices !!! ( I will have to convert between my
currency and dollar - hence the low price requirement. ) I dont
mind the condition of the book.
Why are technical books so costly in USA ?? Food is cheap ; cloth
is cheap ; why not book also ?? ( I guess most of this money goes to
author. )
Ha ha ha ha.
Two years after the 1st edition of my DSP book was
published, my income (from royalties) was
roughly 75 cents for each hour I spent writing
the book.
Whew! I only **WISH** "most of the money"
went to the authors. As far as I can tell, the
bookstore that sells a tech book realizes a profit of
approximately three times the royalty paid to
the author.
Here's what I think for a $100 tech book:
A publisher's profit is ~$44, $14 dollars of which
are paid in corporate taxes.
("~" means approximately.)
A bookstore's profit is ~$44, $14 dollars of which
are paid in corporate taxes.
An author's income is ~$12, $3.5 dollars of which
are paid in personal income taxes.
So here's the really shameful part:
The dirty rotten stinkin' State and Federal
governments receive ~$32 on the book sale
while the author earns only ~$8.5!!!
[I have no idea what is the publisher's cost to
produce a single copy of a technical book.]
Tech books are expensive because they cost much
more to produce than typical novels, and tech books
have a much much smaller audience than novels sold
at the drug store.
But, tell me this: is an $80 tech book worth
its cost if it helps you solve a problem in
building a $1,000,000 system?
[-Rick-]
Technical books are not that expensive. A better question is why are
popular novels so expensive. They benefit from an economy of scale that
very few technical books ever achieve.
Technical books are one of the ways you maintain and grow your technical
skills. The cost is very small compared to the cost of maintaining,
growing (and losing) your competence. I once spent $900 on books (Qty 9)
on a trip to California. My wife never complained.
I probably have $5000 invested in DSP books, another $2-3000 in related
books. In other words, about the same investment that a good mechanic has
in his tools. A good book is always worth the investment, a poor book is
sometimes worth the investment (all you need is one useful idea).
I am always glad to see another "Rick Lyons" growing "rich" at my
expense. I am quite sure that I have made more money from what I learned
in books than most of the authors have collected in royalties from
writing those same books.
--
Al Clark
Danville Signal Processing, Inc.
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Purveyors of Fine DSP Hardware and other Cool Stuff
Available at http://www.danvillesignal.com
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| User: "Randy Yates" |
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11 Aug 2004 07:42:57 PM |
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Al Clark <dsp@danvillesignal.com> writes:
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I am always glad to see another "Rick Lyons" growing "rich" at my
expense. I am quite sure that I have made more money from what I learned
in books than most of the authors have collected in royalties from
writing those same books.
Hear, hear. I'll drink to that (is it 12:01pm?)! A good word, Al, a
good word!
--
% Randy Yates % "I met someone who looks alot like you,
%% Fuquay-Varina, NC % she does the things you do,
%%% 919-577-9882 % but she is an IBM."
%%%% <yates@ieee.org> % 'Yours Truly, 2095', *Time*, ELO
http://home.earthlink.net/~yatescr
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| User: "Rick Lyons" |
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11 Aug 2004 07:53:21 PM |
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On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 00:23:13 GMT, Al Clark <dsp@danvillesignal.com>
wrote:
Hi Al,
Technical books are not that expensive. A better question is why are
popular novels so expensive. They benefit from an economy of scale that
very few technical books ever achieve.
You're right. Popular books generally have no detailed figures that
have to be converted to some sort of "publication" format, and they
generally have no equations that have to be re-typed by
publishing house employees. Popular books are generally "text-only".
Technical books are one of the ways you maintain and grow your technical
skills.
Yes, yes, yes.
The cost is very small compared to the cost of maintaining,
growing (and losing) your competence. I once spent $900 on books (Qty 9)
on a trip to California. My wife never complained.
I believe it. Your Lori Ann is a sweetie pie.
I strongly suggest that you keep her.
I probably have $5000 invested in DSP books, another $2-3000 in related
books. In other words, about the same investment that a good mechanic has
in his tools.
Good point! I never thought of that viewpoint before.
Our books are part of our "tools".
A good book is always worth the investment, a poor book is
sometimes worth the investment (all you need is one useful idea).
I am always glad to see another "Rick Lyons" growing "rich" at my
expense.
Ha ha ha ha. Growing rich, ... right!
I'm sad to say that I'm now forced to collect bottles and cans
off the street to make a little money. Often I mow lawns on
the weekend to supplement my normal income.
I am quite sure that I have made more money from what I learned
in books than most of the authors have collected in royalties from
writing those same books.
Sweet merciful Jesus in Heaven, I never thought about that!
Good for you Al. You deserve it.
OK, gotta run. My neighbor needs his lawn mowed.
[-Rick-]
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| User: "herbert" |
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13 Aug 2004 07:28:55 AM |
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The main reason for writing a technically orientated book seems to be
to get known in the technical community.
If the book is really good it is referred to by professors and
assistants.
Which too enhances the chances to get a particularly good or better
job than without having written anything.
But this is only one part of the story and there is still very much
wrong with physical and technical books ( you need a lot of then to
cover anything you are in need of. I know what I am speaking about
beeing versed in welding, turbines and aeronautics )
Another reason why these books are extremely expensive is the
following.
Years ago an author took the subject and wrote. But only a few persons
were able to understand what had been written. If you are presentig
top stuff at top level TODAY you are in need of a team which arranges
the information historically, thematically and didactically, wich an
author alone can hardly do in a proper time.
And such teams are costly.
These are my opinions on the subject.
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| User: "Jerry Avins" |
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07 Aug 2004 12:17:21 PM |
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kbc wrote:
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Why are technical books so costly in USA ?? Food is cheap ; cloth
is cheap ; why not book also ?? ( I guess most of this money goes to
author. )
An author wouldn't think so!
I wish I could help; you need a librarian. I'll try to ask one.
Jerry
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Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
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