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Topic: Science > Physics
User: "Ed Conrad"
Date: 29 Jul 2004 06:01:56 AM
Object: Other Human Life in Universe? Yes, INDEED!



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Back in 1963, when coal miners David Fellin and Hank Throne were
entombed 14 days more than 300 feet underground and then miraculously
rescued, the eventual breakthrough best-seller "Life After Life," had
NOT yet been written.
I doubt if Dr. Raymond Moody had even begun compiling his initial
notes in attempting to establish that there IS an existence beyond
our physical death.
But back in 1963, Dave Fellin knew for sure there was -- and so did
Lt. Richard Anderson, a physician/psychiatrist who headed the U.S.
Navy Survival team that had interviewed Fellin and Hank Throne in
hours-long detail the very day they were rescued.
The startling fact was that both miners had been out of their bodies
at the same time, during which they had actually conversed -- and it
had happened on two different occasions.
But this posting does not deal with a Life Hereafter. Maybe, someday,
there will be a whole lot more revealed here about the stark reality
of an existence on The Other Side and in another dimension.
But, for now, let it be stated that, while Dave was out of his body an
incredible number of times all by himself, he received quite an
education about his fellow man, the good earth and the glorious
universe.
"I'm only a dumb coal miner," Dave, then in his 80s, kidded me two or
three times about his incredible journeys. "I don't know why I was
chosen to see all of these incredible things."
About eight years ago, I had posted a few intriguing paragraphs from
one of Dave's many letters in which he had made a statement that --
when it was signed and notarized back on Oct. 19, 1987 -- would've
seemed to the majority of people, including scientists, as nothing but
a crock of bull.
Quoting Dave:

``The universe, as we know it, is in itself but a grain of sand on the
ocean floor in comparison to the number of different universes which
exist. In other words, there is no end.
``I repeat: Our known universe, in comparison to the actual size of
all of the universes which reach out in all directions, is as
insignificant as a grain of sand on the ocean floor.
``I hereby testify that this is the truth, the whole truth and nothing
but the truth, so help me God."

Such a startling revelation, that our universe is infinite, obviously
is far from being proven and probably never will be. But, with the
arrival of the Hubble Space Telescope in recent years, Dave's
statement certainly cannot be dismissed with reckless abandon.
The incredible size of the known universe, thanks to Hubble, keeps
expanding beyond belief, especially when a tiny patch of seemingly
total blackness lights up like majestic fireworks when viewed through
the Hubble in its already-famous "Deepest View" photo.
And now, since you've been patient to sit through all of the
preliminaries, we've finally come to the point where we'll let Dave
answer one of mankind's most time-honored questions:

IS THERE OTHER HUMAN LIFE IN THE UNIVERSE?

Quoting David Fellin once again, this time in a follow-up but
similiarly notarized letter dated Oct. 31, 1987:

"The size of the KNOWN universe -- that is, as far as
present-day science can determine using any of its
modern telescopes or even radio telescopes -- is as
insignificant as a grain of sand on the ocean floor
in comparison to the size of the UNKNOWN universe,
which is out there in space but of which we have no
knowledge at the present time.
"And, even more astounding -- not to me because
I have seen some of it and actually had traveled there
while out of my body, but to others reading this letter --
planets containing human life, such as that on earth,
are COMMON throughout the vastness of not only
the known but also the unknown universe."

Ed Conrad

When Pseudoscience Meets Honest Science
http://www.edconrad.com

Life After Death
and
Man as Old as Coal


http://www.edconrad.com/lifeafterdeath/

.

User: "danh"

Title: Re: Other Human Life in Universe? Yes, INDEED! 29 Jul 2004 02:38:03 PM
"Ed Conrad" <edconrad@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:rrlhg0d7utvgtg0apsiv9np10ic02be19e@4ax.com...

Back in 1963, when coal miners David Fellin and Hank Throne were
entombed 14 days more than 300 feet underground and then miraculously
rescued, the eventual breakthrough best-seller "Life After Life," had
NOT yet been written.

[...]

The startling fact was that both miners had been out of their bodies
at the same time, during which they had actually conversed -- and it
had happened on two different occasions.

More nonsense from the queen of nonsense. Whatever the men did or didn't
believe happened, it's inarguable that their perspective was greatly
influenced by their underground experience during which their sensory
perception was, er, not normal. The not-so-startling-fact is that no one,
not even, never has provided verifiable, testable evidence that anything
other than other live beings survives death. Zero, zilch, none. Ever.
Unverifiable testaments from minds addled by stress are not evidence, let
alone credible evidence.
[...]
nothing but

a crock of bull.

Ed gets it right!
[...]
.

User: "Sam Wormley"

Title: Re: Other Human Life in Universe? Yes, INDEED! 29 Jul 2004 09:51:14 AM
Critical Thinking
http://www.csicop.org/si/9012/critical-thinking.html
Tuning Up Your Crank Filters
http://www.colorado.edu/philosophy/vstenger/Briefs/Cranks.html
.
User: "mitch perkins"

Title: Re: Other Human Life in Universe? Yes, INDEED! 29 Jul 2004 04:29:12 PM
Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message news:<41090ED8.4870FEFD@mchsi.com>...


Critical Thinking
http://www.csicop.org/si/9012/critical-thinking.html

It would be silly to thank you every time you post one of these
great links. So thanks for all the great links, and in advance for
ones to hopefully come.
Mitch
.

User: "John Sefton"

Title: Re: Other Human Life in Universe? Yes, INDEED! 29 Jul 2004 11:24:41 AM
Sam Wormley wrote:

Critical Thinking
http://www.csicop.org/si/9012/critical-thinking.html

Tuning Up Your Crank Filters
http://www.colorado.edu/philosophy/vstenger/Briefs/Cranks.html

To envision a crank filter, try to
remember pictures of old milk wagon horses:
those flat pieces projecting from beside
the eyes......what were they?.
oh yes,
BLINKERS
Tuning up your blinkers- don't
look beside you- it's scary
.
User: "Sam Wormley"

Title: Re: Other Human Life in Universe? Yes, INDEED! 29 Jul 2004 12:19:23 PM
John Sefton wrote:


Sam Wormley wrote:

Critical Thinking
http://www.csicop.org/si/9012/critical-thinking.html

Tuning Up Your Crank Filters
http://www.colorado.edu/philosophy/vstenger/Briefs/Cranks.html


To envision a crank filter, try to
remember pictures of old milk wagon horses:
those flat pieces projecting from beside
the eyes......what were they?.
oh yes,

BLINKERS

Tuning up your blinkers- don't
look beside you- it's scary

Why stop there--head in the sand!
Methinks you missed the point John--A bit of critical thinking coupled
with education and skepticism helps one wade the the ***** and scum to
find insights supported by reproducible observational and experimental
results.
.



User: "Mr. 4X"

Title: Re: Other Human Life in Universe? Yes, INDEED! 29 Jul 2004 03:36:21 PM
Ed Conrad <edconrad@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:rrlhg0d7utvgtg0apsiv9np10ic02be19e@4ax.com:



http://www.edconrad.KOOK/lifeafterdeath/proof10.jpg

http://www.edconrad.KOOK/images/istherereally.jpg

Corrected.

Back in 1963, when coal miners David Fellin and Hank Throne were
entombed 14 days more than 300 feet underground and then miraculously
rescued, the eventual breakthrough best-seller "Life After Life," had
NOT yet been written.

I doubt if Dr. Raymond Moody had even begun compiling his initial
notes in attempting to establish that there IS an existence beyond
our physical death.

Did you forget your fixation about fossils?
.

User: "John Sefton"

Title: Re: Other Human Life in Universe? Yes, INDEED! 29 Jul 2004 10:51:27 AM
Ed Conrad wrote:


http://www.edconrad.com/lifeafterdeath/proof10.jpg

http://www.edconrad.com/images/istherereally.jpg


Back in 1963, when coal miners David Fellin and Hank Throne were
entombed 14 days more than 300 feet underground and then miraculously
rescued, the eventual breakthrough best-seller "Life After Life," had
NOT yet been written.

I doubt if Dr. Raymond Moody had even begun compiling his initial
notes in attempting to establish that there IS an existence beyond
our physical death.

But back in 1963, Dave Fellin knew for sure there was -- and so did
Lt. Richard Anderson, a physician/psychiatrist who headed the U.S.
Navy Survival team that had interviewed Fellin and Hank Throne in
hours-long detail the very day they were rescued.

The startling fact was that both miners had been out of their bodies
at the same time, during which they had actually conversed -- and it
had happened on two different occasions.

But this posting does not deal with a Life Hereafter. Maybe, someday,
there will be a whole lot more revealed here about the stark reality
of an existence on The Other Side and in another dimension.

But, for now, let it be stated that, while Dave was out of his body an
incredible number of times all by himself, he received quite an
education about his fellow man, the good earth and the glorious
universe.

"I'm only a dumb coal miner," Dave, then in his 80s, kidded me two or
three times about his incredible journeys. "I don't know why I was
chosen to see all of these incredible things."

About eight years ago, I had posted a few intriguing paragraphs from
one of Dave's many letters in which he had made a statement that --
when it was signed and notarized back on Oct. 19, 1987 -- would've
seemed to the majority of people, including scientists, as nothing but
a crock of bull.

Quoting Dave:


``The universe, as we know it, is in itself but a grain of sand on the
ocean floor in comparison to the number of different universes which
exist. In other words, there is no end.



``I repeat: Our known universe, in comparison to the actual size of
all of the universes which reach out in all directions, is as
insignificant as a grain of sand on the ocean floor.



``I hereby testify that this is the truth, the whole truth and nothing
but the truth, so help me God."



Such a startling revelation, that our universe is infinite, obviously
is far from being proven and probably never will be. But, with the
arrival of the Hubble Space Telescope in recent years, Dave's
statement certainly cannot be dismissed with reckless abandon.

The incredible size of the known universe, thanks to Hubble, keeps
expanding beyond belief, especially when a tiny patch of seemingly
total blackness lights up like majestic fireworks when viewed through
the Hubble in its already-famous "Deepest View" photo.

And now, since you've been patient to sit through all of the
preliminaries, we've finally come to the point where we'll let Dave
answer one of mankind's most time-honored questions:


IS THERE OTHER HUMAN LIFE IN THE UNIVERSE?



Quoting David Fellin once again, this time in a follow-up but
similiarly notarized letter dated Oct. 31, 1987:


"The size of the KNOWN universe -- that is, as far as
present-day science can determine using any of its
modern telescopes or even radio telescopes -- is as
insignificant as a grain of sand on the ocean floor
in comparison to the size of the UNKNOWN universe,
which is out there in space but of which we have no
knowledge at the present time.



"And, even more astounding -- not to me because
I have seen some of it and actually had traveled there
while out of my body, but to others reading this letter --
planets containing human life, such as that on earth,
are COMMON throughout the vastness of not only
the known but also the unknown universe."


Ed Conrad

When Pseudoscience Meets Honest Science
http://www.edconrad.com


Life After Death
and
Man as Old as Coal

http://www.edconrad.com/lifeafterdeath/



Agree.
.


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