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"Pmb" |
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21 Dec 2003 04:07:13 PM |
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Out of Body Experience - Scientifically solved? |
Speaking of scientifically repeatable experiments = It appears that now
doctors have actually been able to repeat out of body experiences by
stimulating a certain part of the brain. It was discovered by accident. See
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2266740.stm
I guess this was written up in Nature. If anyone knows what issure its in
please let me know.
Pmb
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| User: "Franz Heymann" |
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| Title: Re: Out of Body Experience - Scientifically solved? |
22 Dec 2003 03:18:10 AM |
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"Pmb" <somenone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
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Speaking of scientifically repeatable experiments = It appears that now
doctors have actually been able to repeat out of body experiences by
stimulating a certain part of the brain. It was discovered by accident.
See
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2266740.stm
I guess this was written up in Nature. If anyone knows what issure its in
please let me know.
Booze or cannabis would be cheaper.
Franz
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| User: "Gauge" |
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| Title: Re: Out of Body Experience - Scientifically solved? |
22 Dec 2003 08:18:02 AM |
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"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message news:<bs6csi$abb$1@sparta.btinternet.com>...
"Pmb" <somenone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
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Speaking of scientifically repeatable experiments = It appears that now
doctors have actually been able to repeat out of body experiences by
stimulating a certain part of the brain. It was discovered by accident.
See
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2266740.stm
I guess this was written up in Nature. If anyone knows what issure its in
please let me know.
Booze or cannabis would be cheaper.
Are you speaking from experience?
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| User: "Franz Heymann" |
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| Title: Re: Out of Body Experience - Scientifically solved? |
22 Dec 2003 04:38:25 PM |
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Speaking of scientifically repeatable experiments = It appears that
now
doctors have actually been able to repeat out of body experiences by
stimulating a certain part of the brain. It was discovered by
accident.
See
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2266740.stm
I guess this was written up in Nature. If anyone knows what issure its
in
please let me know.
Booze or cannabis would be cheaper.
Are you speaking from experience?
Yes. As a student member of the UCT mountaineering club, I knew an old Cape
Coloured man who lived at the foot of one of the paths up a certain
mountain. We brought the booze and he supplied the cannabis which he grew
in the wilds of the mountain slope. We rarely missed out an hour or so with
him when we went to climb that particular mountain. But alas, that was
sixty years ago.
Franz
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| User: "Paul R. Mays" |
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| Title: Re: Out of Body Experience - Scientifically solved? |
22 Dec 2003 05:10:46 PM |
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Speaking of scientifically repeatable experiments = It appears that
now
doctors have actually been able to repeat out of body experiences by
stimulating a certain part of the brain. It was discovered by
accident.
See
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2266740.stm
I guess this was written up in Nature. If anyone knows what issure
its
in
please let me know.
Booze or cannabis would be cheaper.
Are you speaking from experience?
Yes. As a student member of the UCT mountaineering club, I knew an old
Cape
Coloured man who lived at the foot of one of the paths up a certain
mountain. We brought the booze and he supplied the cannabis which he grew
in the wilds of the mountain slope. We rarely missed out an hour or so
with
him when we went to climb that particular mountain. But alas, that was
sixty years ago.
Franz
Now I see your problem Franz.... You need
a good long toke and fifth of JD Black for
some perspective....
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| User: "Franz Heymann" |
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23 Dec 2003 05:31:41 AM |
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Speaking of scientifically repeatable experiments = It appears
that
now
doctors have actually been able to repeat out of body experiences
by
stimulating a certain part of the brain. It was discovered by
accident.
See
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2266740.stm
I guess this was written up in Nature. If anyone knows what issure
its
in
please let me know.
Booze or cannabis would be cheaper.
Are you speaking from experience?
Yes. As a student member of the UCT mountaineering club, I knew an old
Cape
Coloured man who lived at the foot of one of the paths up a certain
mountain. We brought the booze and he supplied the cannabis which he
grew
in the wilds of the mountain slope. We rarely missed out an hour or so
with
him when we went to climb that particular mountain. But alas, that was
sixty years ago.
Franz
Now I see your problem Franz.... You need
a good long toke and fifth of JD Black for
some perspective....
I have not smoked cannabis since I was twenty, and I drink Lagavulin for
preference when I can afford it. Otherwise I drink Laphroig. I am under
medical orders to drink 3 units a day without fail. Unfortunately the NHS
refuses to count this as a free prescription
Stuff called JD Black sounds like potato hooch.
{:-))
Franz
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| User: "Paul R. Mays" |
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| Title: Re: Out of Body Experience - Scientifically solved? |
23 Dec 2003 05:54:31 AM |
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<<<Snipped>>>
Now I see your problem Franz.... You need
a good long toke and fifth of JD Black for
some perspective....
I have not smoked cannabis since I was twenty, and I drink Lagavulin for
preference when I can afford it. Otherwise I drink Laphroig. I am under
medical orders to drink 3 units a day without fail. Unfortunately the NHS
refuses to count this as a free prescription
Stuff called JD Black sounds like potato hooch.
{:-))
Franz
JD Black = Jack Daniels Black Label.. Good old fashion
Tennessee sippin whiskey.... warms the cockles and curls
the toes... or vice versa...
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| Title: Re: Out of Body Experience - Scientifically solved? |
23 Dec 2003 09:27:47 AM |
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In article <bs992s$jpb$9@titan.btinternet.com>,
"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote:
<snip>
Now I see your problem Franz.... You need
a good long toke and fifth of JD Black for
some perspective....
I have not smoked cannabis since I was twenty, and I drink Lagavulin for
preference when I can afford it. Otherwise I drink Laphroig. I am under
medical orders to drink 3 units a day without fail. Unfortunately the NHS
refuses to count this as a free prescription
Stuff called JD Black sounds like potato hooch.
{:-))
ROTFLMAO.
/BAH
Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.
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| User: "FrediFizzx" |
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| Title: Re: Out of Body Experience - Scientifically solved? |
22 Dec 2003 09:22:24 PM |
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"Paul R. Mays" <uce@ftc.gov> wrote in message
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| "Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
| news:bs7rp1$4ic$4@titan.btinternet.com...
| >
| > "Gauge" <gauge5@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > news:e7203033.0312220618.229211a8@posting.google.com...
| > > "Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
| > news:<bs6csi$abb$1@sparta.btinternet.com>...
| > > > "Pmb" <somenone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
| > > > news:lQoFb.19935$YS4.15281@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
| > > > > Speaking of scientifically repeatable experiments = It appears
that
| > now
| > > > > doctors have actually been able to repeat out of body experiences
by
| > > > > stimulating a certain part of the brain. It was discovered by
| > accident.
| > > > See
| > > > >
| > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2266740.stm
| > > > > I guess this was written up in Nature. If anyone knows what issure
| its
| > in
| > > > > please let me know.
| > > >
| > > > Booze or cannabis would be cheaper.
| >
| > > Are you speaking from experience?
| >
| > Yes. As a student member of the UCT mountaineering club, I knew an old
| Cape
| > Coloured man who lived at the foot of one of the paths up a certain
| > mountain. We brought the booze and he supplied the cannabis which he
grew
| > in the wilds of the mountain slope. We rarely missed out an hour or so
| with
| > him when we went to climb that particular mountain. But alas, that was
| > sixty years ago.
| >
| > Franz
| >
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| Now I see your problem Franz.... You need
| a good long toke and fifth of JD Black for
| some perspective....
Well, I don't think that will give you an out of body experience. The
solution is simple. Laughing gas--nitrous oxide. However, you are soooo
messed up in your experience that there is no way you can read any cards on
top of a cabinet or whatever it was. Plus, you don't even care about
reading any stupid cards. Hehe.
FrediFizzx
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| User: "Paul R. Mays" |
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| Title: Re: Out of Body Experience - Scientifically solved? |
22 Dec 2003 10:35:20 PM |
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"FrediFizzx" <fredifizzx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| "Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
| news:bs7rp1$4ic$4@titan.btinternet.com...
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| > "Gauge" <gauge5@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > news:e7203033.0312220618.229211a8@posting.google.com...
| > > "Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
| > news:<bs6csi$abb$1@sparta.btinternet.com>...
| > > > "Pmb" <somenone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
| > > > news:lQoFb.19935$YS4.15281@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
| > > > > Speaking of scientifically repeatable experiments = It appears
that
| > now
| > > > > doctors have actually been able to repeat out of body
experiences
by
| > > > > stimulating a certain part of the brain. It was discovered by
| > accident.
| > > > See
| > > > >
| > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2266740.stm
| > > > > I guess this was written up in Nature. If anyone knows what
issure
| its
| > in
| > > > > please let me know.
| > > >
| > > > Booze or cannabis would be cheaper.
| >
| > > Are you speaking from experience?
| >
| > Yes. As a student member of the UCT mountaineering club, I knew an
old
| Cape
| > Coloured man who lived at the foot of one of the paths up a certain
| > mountain. We brought the booze and he supplied the cannabis which he
grew
| > in the wilds of the mountain slope. We rarely missed out an hour or
so
| with
| > him when we went to climb that particular mountain. But alas, that
was
| > sixty years ago.
| >
| > Franz
| >
|
|
| Now I see your problem Franz.... You need
| a good long toke and fifth of JD Black for
| some perspective....
Well, I don't think that will give you an out of body experience.
Then you musta never fired up a Northern Lights #5
crossed with Afghani #1 and 3 double shots of JD Black...
Outofbody ~ Outofmind
The
solution is simple. Laughing gas--nitrous oxide. However, you are soooo
messed up in your experience that there is no way you can read any cards
on
top of a cabinet or whatever it was. Plus, you don't even care about
reading any stupid cards. Hehe.
FrediFizzx
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| User: "Gauge" |
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23 Dec 2003 01:11:22 PM |
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| "Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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| > "Gauge" <gauge5@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > news:e7203033.0312220618.229211a8@posting.google.com...
| > > "Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:<bs6csi$abb$1@sparta.btinternet.com>...
| > > > "Pmb" <somenone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
| > > > news:lQoFb.19935$YS4.15281@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
| > > > > Speaking of scientifically repeatable experiments = It appears
that
now
| > > > > doctors have actually been able to repeat out of body experiences
by
| > > > > stimulating a certain part of the brain. It was discovered by
accident.
See
| > > > >
| > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2266740.stm
| > > > > I guess this was written up in Nature. If anyone knows what issure
its
in
| > > > > please let me know.
| > > >
| > > > Booze or cannabis would be cheaper.
| > > Are you speaking from experience?
| >
| > Yes. As a student member of the UCT mountaineering club, I knew an old
Cape
| > Coloured man who lived at the foot of one of the paths up a certain
| > mountain. We brought the booze and he supplied the cannabis which he
grew
| > in the wilds of the mountain slope. We rarely missed out an hour or so
with
| > him when we went to climb that particular mountain. But alas, that was
| > sixty years ago.
| >
| > Franz
| >
|
|
| Now I see your problem Franz.... You need
| a good long toke and fifth of JD Black for
| some perspective....
Well, I don't think that will give you an out of body experience. The
solution is simple. Laughing gas--nitrous oxide. However, you are soooo
messed up in your experience that there is no way you can read any cards on
top of a cabinet or whatever it was. Plus, you don't even care about
reading any stupid cards. Hehe.
I had an idea lately. I've done some searching and it seems that
nitrous oxide has been tried as a sedative for patients before having
a bone marrow biopsy (BMB). I don't recall the results at the moment.
I've never had that stuff though. A BMB is an horendously painful
experience. Think of it like this - Drill a hole in your hip and
without mediction shove in a steel pipe cleaner and then rip it back
out. That's about how it feels.
Do you think nitrous oxide would kill such pain?
Pmb
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| User: "Paul R. Mays" |
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| Title: Re: Out of Body Experience - Scientifically solved? |
23 Dec 2003 01:30:12 PM |
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| "Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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| > "Gauge" <gauge5@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| > > "Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in
message
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| > > > "Pmb" <somenone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
| > > > news:lQoFb.19935$YS4.15281@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
| > > > > Speaking of scientifically repeatable experiments = It appears
that
now
| > > > > doctors have actually been able to repeat out of body
experiences
by
| > > > > stimulating a certain part of the brain. It was discovered by
accident.
See
| > > > >
| > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2266740.stm
| > > > > I guess this was written up in Nature. If anyone knows what
issure
its
in
| > > > > please let me know.
| > > >
| > > > Booze or cannabis would be cheaper.
| > > Are you speaking from experience?
| >
| > Yes. As a student member of the UCT mountaineering club, I knew an
old
Cape
| > Coloured man who lived at the foot of one of the paths up a certain
| > mountain. We brought the booze and he supplied the cannabis which
he
grew
| > in the wilds of the mountain slope. We rarely missed out an hour or
so
with
| > him when we went to climb that particular mountain. But alas, that
was
| > sixty years ago.
| >
| > Franz
| >
|
|
| Now I see your problem Franz.... You need
| a good long toke and fifth of JD Black for
| some perspective....
Well, I don't think that will give you an out of body experience. The
solution is simple. Laughing gas--nitrous oxide. However, you are
soooo
messed up in your experience that there is no way you can read any cards
on
top of a cabinet or whatever it was. Plus, you don't even care about
reading any stupid cards. Hehe.
I had an idea lately. I've done some searching and it seems that
nitrous oxide has been tried as a sedative for patients before having
a bone marrow biopsy (BMB). I don't recall the results at the moment.
I've never had that stuff though. A BMB is an horendously painful
experience. Think of it like this - Drill a hole in your hip and
without mediction shove in a steel pipe cleaner and then rip it back
out. That's about how it feels.
Do you think nitrous oxide would kill such pain?
Pmb
You should just try some Nitrous yourself and
see... You can buy it cheap in every grocery
store... and you might have some in your fridge
right now... Its what they pressurize whipped
cream with... Just hold the can vertically and slowly
let out the gas at a rate your lungs can take it in and
hold it... The effect only last about 30 sec and there's
only enough in a can to use once.. Its very safe because
you can't get enough to hurt you due to O2 deprivation
But nitrous does not kill pain at all...
it just makes you semi conscious so you are more
relaxed and not going hyper due to the work being
done... You still have to use local anesthetics ...
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| User: "Gauge" |
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| Title: Re: Out of Body Experience - Scientifically solved? |
23 Dec 2003 01:07:27 PM |
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Speaking of scientifically repeatable experiments = It appears that
now
doctors have actually been able to repeat out of body experiences by
stimulating a certain part of the brain. It was discovered by
accident.
See
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2266740.stm
I guess this was written up in Nature. If anyone knows what issure its
in
please let me know.
Booze or cannabis would be cheaper.
Are you speaking from experience?
Yes. As a student member of the UCT mountaineering club, I knew an old Cape
Coloured man who lived at the foot of one of the paths up a certain
mountain. We brought the booze and he supplied the cannabis which he grew
in the wilds of the mountain slope. We rarely missed out an hour or so with
him when we went to climb that particular mountain. But alas, that was
sixty years ago.
And from the booze and cannabis you had an out of body experience?
Pmb
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| User: "Franz Heymann" |
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| Title: Re: Out of Body Experience - Scientifically solved? |
23 Dec 2003 04:46:00 PM |
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Speaking of scientifically repeatable experiments = It appears
that
now
doctors have actually been able to repeat out of body experiences
by
stimulating a certain part of the brain. It was discovered by
accident.
See
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2266740.stm
I guess this was written up in Nature. If anyone knows what issure
its
in
please let me know.
Booze or cannabis would be cheaper.
Are you speaking from experience?
Yes. As a student member of the UCT mountaineering club, I knew an old
Cape
Coloured man who lived at the foot of one of the paths up a certain
mountain. We brought the booze and he supplied the cannabis which he
grew
in the wilds of the mountain slope. We rarely missed out an hour or so
with
him when we went to climb that particular mountain. But alas, that was
sixty years ago.
And from the booze and cannabis you had an out of body experience?
If you mean stoned, the answer is yes, on very rare occasions.
Franz
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| User: "Gauge" |
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| Title: Re: Out of Body Experience - Scientifically solved? |
24 Dec 2003 05:26:18 AM |
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Speaking of scientifically repeatable experiments = It appears
that
now
doctors have actually been able to repeat out of body experiences
by
stimulating a certain part of the brain. It was discovered by
accident.
See
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2266740.stm
I guess this was written up in Nature. If anyone knows what issure
its
in
please let me know.
Booze or cannabis would be cheaper.
Are you speaking from experience?
Yes. As a student member of the UCT mountaineering club, I knew an old
Cape
Coloured man who lived at the foot of one of the paths up a certain
mountain. We brought the booze and he supplied the cannabis which he
grew
in the wilds of the mountain slope. We rarely missed out an hour or so
with
him when we went to climb that particular mountain. But alas, that was
sixty years ago.
And from the booze and cannabis you had an out of body experience?
If you mean stoned, the answer is yes, on very rare occasions.
This thread is about out of body experiences. Being stoned is not what
is meant by having an out of body experience.
Pmb
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Speaking of scientifically repeatable experiments = It appears
that
now
doctors have actually been able to repeat out of body
experiences
by
stimulating a certain part of the brain. It was discovered by
accident.
See
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2266740.stm
I guess this was written up in Nature. If anyone knows what
issure
its
in
please let me know.
Booze or cannabis would be cheaper.
Are you speaking from experience?
Yes. As a student member of the UCT mountaineering club, I knew an
old
Cape
Coloured man who lived at the foot of one of the paths up a certain
mountain. We brought the booze and he supplied the cannabis which
he
grew
in the wilds of the mountain slope. We rarely missed out an hour or
so
with
him when we went to climb that particular mountain. But alas, that
was
sixty years ago.
And from the booze and cannabis you had an out of body experience?
If you mean stoned, the answer is yes, on very rare occasions.
This thread is about out of body experiences. Being stoned is not what
is meant by having an out of body experience.
I was so stoned at that time that I felt out of my body. Take it or leave
it.
Franz
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24 Dec 2003 04:04:08 PM |
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"Pmb" <somenone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
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Speaking of scientifically repeatable experiments = It appears
that
now
doctors have actually been able to repeat out of body
experiences
by
stimulating a certain part of the brain. It was discovered by
accident.
See
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2266740.stm
I guess this was written up in Nature. If anyone knows what
issure
its
in
please let me know.
Booze or cannabis would be cheaper.
Are you speaking from experience?
Yes. As a student member of the UCT mountaineering club, I knew an
old
Cape
Coloured man who lived at the foot of one of the paths up a certain
mountain. We brought the booze and he supplied the cannabis which
he
grew
in the wilds of the mountain slope. We rarely missed out an hour or
so
with
him when we went to climb that particular mountain. But alas, that
was
sixty years ago.
And from the booze and cannabis you had an out of body experience?
If you mean stoned, the answer is yes, on very rare occasions.
This thread is about out of body experiences. Being stoned is not what
is meant by having an out of body experience.
I was so stoned at that time that I felt out of my body.
Take it or leave it.
Franz
Before I leave it, "Happy holidays to you, Franz" and the question that
still looms re is: "Did the answers come to you before the questions"
in this state of ex-bodyment? ....now you can take it.
hanson
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| User: "hanson" |
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21 Dec 2003 05:26:14 PM |
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"Pmb" <somenone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
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Speaking of scientifically repeatable experiments = It appears that now
doctors have actually been able to repeat out of body experiences by
stimulating a certain part of the brain. It was discovered by accident. See
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2266740.stm
I guess this was written up in Nature. If anyone knows what
issure its in please let me know.
Pmb
I don't know Pete, but I don't think that it is any news.
Generating altered states of consciousness is as old as
al-pharmacology and religion. To me it is an amazing feat
of nature to have created a brain that is sufficiently stable
to keep things going. To get into other realms of cerebral
realities is easier then *****. Dream, daydream, get exhausted
or hysterical, etc. etc.. All that Yoga stuff, prayer sessions,
head bobbing and assventing postures are designed to induce
unnatural states. Any physiological condition, hunger or
gluttony does it. Then of course all the natural or synthetic
chemicals.
"Scientifically" simply means in this context that these guys,
the researchers, went after a grant.
They main question would be "where does the outa-body
thing begin"? Next, what good does it do? The CIA xp's in
the 70s had many such events. But not a single subject
could ever "read" the control message that lay open on
a sheet of paper on top of a 10 ft shelf on the wall in the
same room.
hanson
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| User: "Pmb" |
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21 Dec 2003 07:53:05 PM |
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"hanson" <hanson@quick.net> wrote in message
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"Pmb" <somenone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
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Speaking of scientifically repeatable experiments = It appears that now
doctors have actually been able to repeat out of body experiences by
stimulating a certain part of the brain. It was discovered by accident.
See
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2266740.stm
I guess this was written up in Nature. If anyone knows what
issure its in please let me know.
Pmb
I don't know Pete, but I don't think that it is any news.
Generating altered states of consciousness is as old as
al-pharmacology and religion.
Its one thing to get high. It's another thing to elicit an out of body
experience by direct stimulation of an area of the brain
To me it is an amazing feat
of nature to have created a brain that is sufficiently stable
to keep things going. To get into other realms of cerebral
realities is easier then *****. Dream, daydream, get exhausted
or hysterical, etc. etc.. All that Yoga stuff, prayer sessions,
head bobbing and assventing postures are designed to induce
unnatural states. Any physiological condition, hunger or
gluttony does it. Then of course all the natural or synthetic
chemicals.
Have you ever had an out of body experience?
"Scientifically" simply means in this context that these guys,
the researchers, went after a grant.
It was an accidental discovery
Pmb
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| User: "hanson" |
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22 Dec 2003 12:41:50 AM |
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Speaking of scientifically repeatable experiments = It appears that now
doctors have actually been able to repeat out of body experiences by
stimulating a certain part of the brain. It was discovered by accident.
See http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2266740.stm
I guess this was written up in Nature. If anyone knows what
issure its in please let me know.
Pmb
I don't know Pete, but I don't think that it is any news.
Generating altered states of consciousness is as old as
al-pharmacology and religion.
Its one thing to get high. It's another thing to elicit an *out of body
experience* [oobe] by direct stimulation of an area of the brain.
To me, an oobe is any experience of any "altered states of
consciousness" whereby/in you are not completely aware of yourself
and all your surroundings, be that during a dream (daytype or night
-REM) where i.e. you are not aware that other activities like people
walking around you, or a state of concentration when you type a post,
listen intent/sly to music or watch a flick. These are all oobe's to me.
--- in other words, when you are "absent minded" you have an oobe.
--- to me, it doesn't matter whether such oobes are elicited by getting
loaded by the architecture of chemicals, or directly by a targeted
current of electrons disturbing the natural activities in your brain.
Most people, naturally, are given to drama and want to report having
experienced something special, something unreal, unworldly & mystic.
Hey, let them have their 15 sec. Even, if it's like the Mexicans who seem
to be prone to see Jesus on their bathroom windows......ahahahahaha..
Still, I repeat: (what you have snipped) The CIA xp's oobe/remote viewing
experiments in the 70s had routinely such events. But not a single subject was
ever able to "read" the control message that lay open on a sheet of paper
on top of a 10 ft shelf on the wall in the same room. IOW, the oobe reality
resides as expected and obediently within the safe confines of their skulls,
.....it only **appeared** to them that this was not the case...ahahahaha..
Then there is another class of people who have such slightly off the
norm conditions. These are the ones who are in constant/severe pain.
Evolution has engineered a mech. to deal with such stress and misery.
The brain releases certain endorphins and other psychotropic chemicals
that alter your perceptions and relationship to your environments, a trick
to mercifully ameliorate the sufferer/afflicted/stricken person's pain.
At a certain level of pain intensity that mechanism kicks in. That's all.
Be grateful that this exists and accept it without further lamentations.
Be specially grateful if you are a sissy and that relief of slipping away
into an oobe come easy and quick. The macho dudes, well, they first
do safffaaaahh. But even then, eventually the machinery of their bodies
says "oobe time....this here pain sucks" and they pass over into oobe.
From thereon, the natural defense mechanism, it is just a little step further
to ***** up that delicate brain/environment bridge by administering pain
killers of all types and sorts, starting with common things, like a steady
"diet" of Aspirins. Upwards from there come things like Neurontin, most
Nsaids and then the anti-inflammatory steroids, one of the worst ones
being Prednisone. This latter one can really bend your mind and get
you outa your bod, so sly and smooth, over prolonged times, that you
won't even notice it. Only your loved ones closeby whisper behind your
back "S/he has changed....". You may check the web on these things
and discover that the fine print for many meds do say "prolonged use
may produce psychiatric symptoms" or words to that effect.
Fentanyl and other last resort anesthetics do not seem to produce any
oobe that can be recalled, but instead they simply instill a quasi-coma....
a silent, total blackness.... a scary oblivion.
-- These then are the causes and effects re oobes I have seen on people.
You, of course, are entitled to your own view and definition, as seen,
learned and experienced by yourself. There is no rebuttal to be
expected from me, about this.
of nature to have created a brain that is sufficiently stable
to keep things going. To get into other realms of cerebral
realities is easier then *****. Dream, daydream, get exhausted
or hysterical, etc. etc.. All that Yoga stuff, prayer sessions,
head bobbing and assventing postures are designed to induce
unnatural states. Any physiological condition, hunger or
gluttony does it. Then of course all the natural or synthetic
chemicals.
Have you ever had an out of body experience?
Having said the above, of course I have. Just check into my archive and
you'll see that most posts from me which have an emotional over- or
undertone can be considered to have been written while having an oobe.
There are of course the extreme and rare situations, like when you
get blown around by exploding ordnance or having a hard landing when
the parachute doesn't open right and you get fucked up on impact.
These are wonderful to holy oobes that follow, lasting for a long time...
until the harsh reality sets in, the pain takes over for the body to scream:
"I need some fucking help" ..... These lovely reflective and beautiful
oobes that are very different from the ones you get when the Drs.
(nothing but educated butchers) attempt to fix your *****. In one instance,
the last thing I was aware of were the huge, plumb tits of the pretty
nurse, leaning over me, starting the count-down. I tried to reach for them
in a military quick grab, but... this wonderful oobe lasted only 2-3 seconds
and then pitch-dark and total blackness set in within an absolute silence.
.....no recall of anything neither.... till Mme. BigLungs slapped my face and
said: "Come back! you have been doing all right and you are ok"...can you
imagine the grief it must me if they fiddle with your ***** and you don't have
an oobe about it.
"Scientifically" simply means in this context that these guys,
the researchers, went after a grant.
It was an accidental discovery.
Pmb
Yeah, right. So they publish and use it to get a hand-out this time.
I don't blame them. Good for them. **
Happy holidays, Peter.Take care.
hanson
PS: ** maybe they simply come to the conclusion that oobes are
the same for us mammals, what the ostrich resorts to when
sticking its head into the sand, or the chicken's phony rigor mortis
when quickly turned upside down. Apparently, that oobe defense
mechanism was around since ever the dinosaurs roamed.
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| User: "Boris Mohar" |
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| Title: Re: Out of Body Experience - Scientifically solved? |
21 Dec 2003 05:03:45 PM |
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On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 22:07:13 GMT, "Pmb" <somenone@somewhere.com> wrote:
Speaking of scientifically repeatable experiments = It appears that now
doctors have actually been able to repeat out of body experiences by
stimulating a certain part of the brain. It was discovered by accident. See
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2266740.stm
I guess this was written up in Nature. If anyone knows what issure its in
please let me know.
Pmb
Now they can move on to in the body experience.
Regards,
Boris Mohar
Got Knock? - see:
Viatrack Printed Circuit Designs http://www3.sympatico.ca/borism/
Aurora, Ontario
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