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"Jack Sarfatti" |
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29 Apr 2006 07:43:22 PM |
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People's Republic of China Exotic Weapons R&D |
From the last episode of this Scientific Mystery Thriller
It is so difficult to detect ELF gravity waves so is the claim here that
the detection & generation of HFGW more efficient?
Even if it was, I do not understand the motivation for this approach
because far field radiation is like a leak in the water tank when you
are trying to conserve water!
That is, we want to use the MACRO-QUANTUM NEAR VIRTUAL GRAVITY FIELDS ~
1/r^2 in the whole (frequency-wavevector space) etc. that do not
propagate away to infinity in the form of gravity radiation. That is the
gravity induction type fields (off-mass-shell) are more important for
practical metric engineering of warp and wormhole than the gravity waves
~ 1/r (on-mass-shell where frequency = (speed of light)(wavenumber)
locus in frequency-wavevector space).
Also one needs to consider all 5 polarization states of the near gravity
field off mass shell (light cone) not only the two leaky radiation
polarizations + & - helicity. For now assume a weak warp field on flat
Minkowski background. Will that suffice for saucer flight? The strong
field self-dual/anti self-dual "nonlinear gravitons" have a chiral
asymmetry like parity non-conservation in the weak force - that may be
an important clue. We need to use the 5D O(4,1) deSitter space
momentum-energy Cartan 1-form prior to local gauging of O(4,1):
Pa = -i{[1 - (r^2 - t^2)/R^2]^-1&a + (x^bMab/R^2)]}
/\zpf = 1/R^2
R ~ 10^28 cm
s^2 = r^2 - t^2
{Mab} = Lie algebra of O(3,1)
Note that DeSitter O(4,1) is a subgroup of O(4,2) basic to Penrose's
twistor theory.
d = dx^a&a = Cartan exterior derivative with
d^2 = 0
observer at r = t = 0 = location of ship
P = dx^aPa = -ihd + /\zpf (stuff)
Note if
P ~ ihd
Then
P^2 = 0 fundamentally, i.e. massless field
On the other hand, when dark energy density ~ /\zpf
P^2 =/= 0.
On Apr 29, 2006, at 1:14 PM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:
The propulsion part seems dubious. The rest not. Ray Chiao has a better
idea IMO.
On Apr 29, 2006, at 12:45 PM, RON STAHL wrote:
I haven't read about Baker in a year or two but the concept is based
upon oscillating mass.
Ray Chiao has another idea.
When it gets a jolt, it releases HFGW's in the GHz range His devise is
designed to produce coherent waves that don't attenuate when passing
through matter.
Problem is signal strength.
I had heard that he was working with the Chinese on a communications
scheme--call your subs, have your cell phone contact anyone on the
planet at any time, etc. I had also heard I think, that a year ago at
STAIF he was saying that he had more confidence in communications apps
than in propulsion.
That's what I told you.
Now I pop onto the web site and find projections for propulsion. Well
color me crazy but WHERE ARE THE AMERICAN INVESTORS?!!!
If there is anything to it - it's classified is my guess financed by
UAE. ;-)
On Apr 29, 2006, at 12:20 PM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:
I know George Chapline since 1966 at UCSD La Jolla and Cal Tech. We were
both part of the scene that Greg Benford describes in his Sci Fi novel
"Timescape" about messages from the future i.e. SIGNAL NONLOCALITY that
I am working on NOW although that concept was UNKNOWN back in the 1960's
& even 70's!
I have written George about this and will see what he says.
I have not yet considered the URLS in detail. Kip Thorne & Ray Chiao
should be asked. It is so difficult to detect ELF gravity waves so is
the claim here that the detection & generation of HFGW more efficient?
Even if it was, I do not understand the motivation for this approach
because far field radiation is like a leak in the water tank when you
are trying to conserve water!
That is, we want to use the MACRO-QUANTUM NEAR VIRTUAL GRAVITY FIELDS ~
1/r^2 in the whole (frequency-wavevector space) etc. that do not
propagate away to infinity in the form of gravity radiation. That is the
gravity induction type fields (off-mass-shell) are more important for
practical metric engineering of warp and wormhole than the gravity waves
~ 1/r (on-mass-shell where frequency = (speed of light)(wavenumber)
locus in frequency-wavevector space).
On Apr 29, 2006, at 11:57 AM, RON STAHL wrote:
the good old boys are out of their minds. . .look at the 20 year
projection at the first link
http://www.gravwave.com/docs/Chinese&GRAVWAVE%20Joint%20HFGW%20Project.pdf
http://www.gravwave.com/docs/Dr%5B1%5D.%20George%20Chapline%27s%20Comments.pdf
Jack, as you probably know, this propulsion concept is based upon
creating a singularity through constructive interferance of HFGW's. Set
aside whether you think Baker can succeed at this and tell me, with the
projectors attached to a ship, which is falling toward the singularity,
which is receeding as the ship draws near. . .a moving gravity well. I
don't see a reason to suppose this would be limited to subluminal
travel, do you?
What you wrote makes no sense to me. The basic idea is simple. You use
dark zero point energy with negative pressure & w < - 1/3 BEHIND the
ship. This dark energy's induced gravity repulsion expands space behind
the ship and makes a counter-intuitive reverse Dopper gravity BLUE SHIFT
of all signals coming from the expanding space at the stern. You do
opposite in front, i.e. positive pressure zero point energy causing
contraction of space that gives a counter intuitive reverse gravity red
shift from the bow. Note observations of rapidly changing colors of
saucers. Those color patterns should correlate with the motion of the
saucer if my idea is correct. See Jacques Vallee's "Fastwalker" for a
fictional version as well as my Super Cosmos. Are Skinwalkers inside
Fastwalkers? ;-)
You do this by inhomogeneous phase-locking of the vacuum's Goldstone
phases to a a control Goldstone phase in thin-film high Tc anyon
condensate modulated by tiny perpendicular magnetic field flux quanta -
all at micro->nanoscale. That's my rough current intuition on how it
basically works.
http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0602022
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| User: "Crank Watch International" |
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| Title: Re: People's Republic of China Exotic Weapons R&D |
29 Apr 2006 08:25:18 PM |
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"Jackass Sarfatti"
From the last episode of this Scientific Mystery Thriller
Since when is your ***** scientific, Sarfatti? And since when is it
thrilling? Fool.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: People's Republic of China Exotic Weapons R&D |
30 Apr 2006 08:33:29 AM |
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There is one major problem. Gravitational waves are quadrupolar. If
they were dipolar the Earth could only orbit the Sun for 100 million
years or so. To create detectable radiation therefore weights need to
be moving at near the speed of light.
You can get radio communication with a pretty ropy pair of aerials. The
same ios not true of gravity.
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| User: "tadchem" |
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| Title: Re: People's Republic of China Exotic Weapons R&D |
30 Apr 2006 04:28:22 PM |
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wrote:
There is one major problem. Gravitational waves are quadrupolar.
That has never been demonstrated empirically.
If
they were dipolar the Earth could only orbit the Sun for 100 million
years or so.
That is irrelevant to the assertion you made above.
Dipole interactions weaken with the cube of distance. Gravity weakens
with the square of distance (to at least 12 decimal places the exponent
is -2).
To create detectable radiation therefore weights need to
be moving at near the speed of light.
No.
You can get radio communication with a pretty ropy pair of aerials. The
same ios not true of gravity.
Michelson (the same one who workedwith Morley on an interferometer)
measured gravitational waves with a period of about 12 hours using a
water pipe and a microscope - in 1913.
Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA
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| User: "Ian Parker" |
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| Title: Re: People's Republic of China Exotic Weapons R&D |
01 May 2006 03:05:09 AM |
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Michelson (the same one who workedwith Morley on an interferometer)
measured gravitational waves with a period of about 12 hours using a
water pipe and a microscope - in 1913.
No, gravitational waves have never been detected. Energy loss has been
observed from a binary pulsar, and this energy loss is exactly what you
would expect from the theory of General Relativity. GR predicts
quadrupolar radiation, or as elementary particle physicists prefer to
put it, a spin of 2.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: People's Republic of China Exotic Weapons R&D |
30 Apr 2006 05:11:25 PM |
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In article <1146432502.614409.158250@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>, "tadchem" <tadchem@comcast.net> writes:
ianparker2@gmail.com wrote:
There is one major problem. Gravitational waves are quadrupolar.
That has never been demonstrated empirically.
If
they were dipolar the Earth could only orbit the Sun for 100 million
years or so.
That is irrelevant to the assertion you made above.
Dipole interactions weaken with the cube of distance. Gravity weakens
with the square of distance (to at least 12 decimal places the exponent
is -2).
Careful here. *Static* dipole interactions weaken with the cube of
the distance (and quadrupoles with the 4th power of distance etc.).
This is a *separate* issue from radiation. For Radiation, be it dipolar,
quadrupolar or any n-polar, the amplitude is proportional to
1/distance and the intensity to 1/distance^2.
Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
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