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From Osher Doctorow
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Peripheral/Infinite vs Central "Coordinates" in QCD and QG
Copyright By owner Osher Doctorow Ph.D.
First Published 2006
The one-direction-at-a-time or no-direction-at-a-time tangential
physicists and mathematicians who run mainstream QCD and QG tend to
center coordinates (when they use them) of all types at "zero" which is
usually some axiomatic "physical center" that ranges from a point
particle or little string to some ill-defined quantum "volume"
field-particle region that's replaced point particles, and then their
equations if any tend to dampen with distance from those "objects".
Probable Influence/Causation (PI) uses the function 1 + y - x and its
vector generalizations instead of the Euclidean, Euclidean-like, or the
Mainstream Non-Euclidean metrics/distance functions, and 1 + y - x is a
partial one-sided inverse of most of those metrics, so it involves an
"opposite" of "farness" which is "nearness" or "proximity". It is, in
simple language, boundary-oriented rather than "central-oriented",
although it can also formulate centers.
On boundaries of finite-volume objects for example in Euclidean
n-dimensional space R^n or E^n, probabilities are zero if a continuous
random variable is associated to them, and this yields x = 0 and since
y < = x we get y = 0 for 0 < = y < = x < = 1, so the proximity function
1 + y - x = 1 which is maximal on its [0, 1] interval.
It is true that 1 + y - x is maximal whenever y = x. Since y = P(AB)
and x = P(A), it follows that 1 + y - x is maximal whenever P(AB) =
P(A) which except for a set of probability 0 occurs iff AB = A which
occurs iff A is a subset of B or else P(A) = P(B) = 0. Since A is
exerting probable influence/causation on B, it could be argued that A
can be taken as the "center" of B or any singleton ("point") or set
inside B. However, if B is a continuous/connected set in R^n, there
is nothing distinguishing about the center of B unless B is symmetric
(which it usually isn't), and it would require specifying uncountably
many points in B to get a geometric picture of B even if B has a finite
volume if B is not symmetric. For finite volume B, however, although
the boundary of B is lower dimensional than B and has uncountably many
points if the dimension of B is 2 or more, the boundary of B is a
proper subset of B which itself specifies what we usually think of as
the geometric shape of B. Every point on that boundary is relevant to
the description of the shape of B, unlike every point of B itself.
If the volume of B is infinite, then it also makes more sense to base
coordinates at "infinity" for asymmetric B, and we can "append" the
center of B for symmetric B to the set of relevant coordinates just as
in complex analysis the reverse "point at infinity" is appended to
usually finite sets. The argument is longer, but even intuitively it
makes sense.
So both central and boundary "perspectives" and central and boundary
forces make sense in PI, and this is where the center-based gravitation
and the infinity-based opposite-directed forces for example make sense
in my recent QCD and QG threads.
Osher Doctorow
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04 Apr 2006 11:32:17 PM |
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"OsherD" <> wrote in message
news:1144095367.671094.193940@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
From Osher Doctorow
<snip phoney copyright notice>
The one-direction-at-a-time or no-direction-at-a-time tangential
physicists and mathematicians who run mainstream QCD and QG tend to
center coordinates (when they use them) of all types at "zero" which is
usually some axiomatic "physical center" that ranges from a point
particle or little string to some ill-defined quantum "volume"
field-particle region that's replaced point particles, and then their
equations if any tend to dampen with distance from those "objects".
Whow, what does that ever mean, run-on-sentence-dude ?
Probable Influence/Causation (PI)
That is a type of stomach virus in mid-California, Jewish people get it a
lot.
uses the function 1 + y - x and its
vector generalizations instead of the Euclidean, Euclidean-like, or the
Mainstream Non-Euclidean metrics/distance functions, and 1 + y - x is a
partial one-sided inverse of most of those metrics, so it involves an
"opposite" of "farness" which is "nearness" or "proximity". It is, in
simple language, boundary-oriented rather than "central-oriented",
although it can also formulate centers.
your attempt at fuzzy logic using Euclidean, metrics, formulate and
endpoints
On boundaries of finite-volume objects for example in Euclidean
n-dimensional space R^n or E^n, probabilities are zero if a continuous
random variable is associated to them, and this yields x = 0 and since
y < = x we get y = 0 for 0 < = y < = x < = 1, so the proximity function
1 + y - x = 1 which is maximal on its [0, 1] interval.
not so. take n=5, it is true there.....
It is true that 1 + y - x is maximal whenever y = x.
Wrong. Whenever y is large or negitive x is large. or both
Since y = P(AB)
and x = P(A), it follows that 1 + y - x is maximal whenever P(AB) =
P(A) which except for a set of probability 0 occurs iff AB = A which
occurs iff A is a subset of B or else P(A) = P(B) = 0. Since A is
exerting probable influence/causation on B, it could be argued that A
can be taken as the "center" of B or any singleton ("point") or set
inside B. However, if B is a continuous/connected set in R^n, there
is nothing distinguishing about the center of B unless B is symmetric
(which it usually isn't), and it would require specifying uncountably
many points in B to get a geometric picture of B even if B has a finite
volume if B is not symmetric. For finite volume B, however, although
the boundary of B is lower dimensional than B and has uncountably many
points if the dimension of B is 2 or more, the boundary of B is a
proper subset of B which itself specifies what we usually think of as
the geometric shape of B. Every point on that boundary is relevant to
the description of the shape of B, unlike every point of B itself.
none of this can be true, due to your fundamental mistakes mentioned by me,
above.
If the volume of B is infinite, then it also makes more sense to base
coordinates at "infinity" for asymmetric B, and we can "append" the
center of B for symmetric B to the set of relevant coordinates just as
in complex analysis the reverse "point at infinity" is appended to
usually finite sets. The argument is longer, but even intuitively it
makes sense.
Try again, you are getting closer.
So both central and boundary "perspectives" and central and boundary
forces make sense in PI, and this is where the center-based gravitation
and the infinity-based opposite-directed forces for example make sense
in my recent QCD and QG threads.
Wrong again, but a good Learning Lesson for you.
Osher Doctorow
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05 Apr 2006 01:11:08 AM |
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From Osher Doctorow
upChuckie from nospam.com typed:
Wrong again, but a good Learning Lesson for you.
People from nospam.com and invalid.com who post to sci.physics are in
my experience almost always trolls. This upChuckie is into Polish
forums from looking up the buttons next to his name, which is
undoubtedly where his mockery of Jews comes from such as his:
That is a type of stomach virus in mid-California, Jewish people get it a
lot
where he's referring to my Probable Influence/Causation. His last 10
thread postings are to forums having nothing to do with physics. With
Soros from Hungary, I'd take a guess at MoveOn.Org, but there are
enough Polish Fascists and communists around to provide some
alternative possibilities, not to mention the usual spate of
marijuana-hashish posters, sado-masochists including several from
Iranian backgrounds, etc.
Osher
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| User: "OsherD" |
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05 Apr 2006 01:20:23 AM |
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From Osher Doctorow
I should mention that his familiarity with smear tactics yields several
additional alternative sources:
A. The Educational Mafia
B. Service Employee Unions
C. Peace-At-Any-Pricers
D. My-Ethnic-Group-At-Any-Pricers
E. Sexual Choice-At-Any-Pricers
F. My Bureaucracy At Any Pricers (including our own State Department)
G. Nixon-like Republicans
H. Gore-like Dumbocrats
I. Islamist-At-Any-Pricers
Osher Doctorow
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| User: "OsherD" |
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03 Apr 2006 03:28:56 PM |
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From Osher Doctorow
't Hooft's Holographic Principle also specifies the boundaries of
sets/objects as critical and containing all the information of
sets/objects, but it has been insufficiently applied since physicists
and mathematicians still tend to base coordinates at "zero" (which may
be moved or translated or translated-rotated or boosted but still
remains some point or little string in the object in question).
For example, the ball of radius r centered at (0, 0, 0) in 3 dimensions
is:
1) x^2 + y^2 + z^2 < = r
in Euclidean geometry, and the distance function/metric increases in
magnitude as we move away from (0, 0, 0) towards the boundary at
distance r in Euclidean geometry. We are thus oriented by Euclidean
geoemtry to look inside the ball rather than its boundary at r for
relationships, or at most to look at the whole ball without any clues,
or to look at fundamental variables as being infinitesimal at (0, 0,
0). The opposite (PI) perspective regards fundamental variables as
infinitesimal at the boundary (distance r) with the center (0, 0, 0)
being another relevant quantity appended to the boundary so to speak.
Osher Doctorow
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