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"skeptical" |
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26 Feb 2005 08:08:52 AM |
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Peter Jennings UFO special |
The show basically said Roswell and alien abuductions were
superstition. But it reported that all the thousands of reports of
unidentified flying objects that cannot be explained away - including
those from miltary pilots - cannot be easily dismissed.
In a court of law, eye-witness testimony can put you away for life or
death. In the court of science, all eye-witness testimony is for some
strange reason summarily dismissed.
It's good that the school of journalism has a more balanced approach.
That is not to say ETs are visiting us. But at the same time one can
not totally dimiss the idea.
One can use Occam's razor to cut away Santa Claus, but that doesn't
fly when it comes to all the unexplained sightings and videos of UFOs.
What's really ironic is that any mention of UFOs is automatically open
to ridicule by the scientific community. But I hate to break it to
you, such a mindset is all about culture and belief - the complete
opposite of science.
And I'm not saying UFOs are alien spacecraft, but saying it's
impossible doesn't really fly. Yes according to SR it's impossible to
accelerate to the speed of light, not to mention beyond. And it's
likely that any civilization is 100s of light years away, meaning by
conventional propulsion, it would take 10s of thousands of years to
travel the interstellar distances.
Yet at the same time, the matter we are made of comprises only a small
fraction of the universe. The physicists don't know what dark matter
is - even though there is much more of it than the matter we are made
of. And they don't know anything about dark energy which makes up the
rest of the universe.
And to top it off there is no theory of quantum gravity - which is the
equivalent of saying electrons orbit the nucleus like planets around
the sun...
And now you "scientists" are going to claim its impossible for UFOs to
be alien spacecraft?
I think you'd be better off toning down the arrogance and superstition
and focus on things you actually know.
(BTW, say we had a sister solar system that formed at the exact same
time ours did. The reality is that our sister star system could hold a
civilaztion that is a 100 million years advanced beyond our 10,000
year civilization. Yeah I'm sure it's impossible for a million-year
civilization to hack the laws of phyics - according to our barbarian
physicists who don't know what they are talking about...)
(Beam me up Scotty...)
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| User: "Anonymouse" |
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| Title: Re: Peter Jennings UFO special |
26 Feb 2005 10:11:59 AM |
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"skeptical" <skeptical@skeptical.com> wrote in message
news:let021936rvu3v6gs8cdu50s564aef7c8p@4ax.com...
The show basically said Roswell and alien abuductions were
superstition. But it reported that all the thousands of reports of
unidentified flying objects that cannot be explained away - including
those from miltary pilots - cannot be easily dismissed.
In a court of law, eye-witness testimony can put you away for life or
death.
Only if corroborated.
In the court of science, all eye-witness testimony is for some
strange reason summarily dismissed.
No strange reason! must be verified!
It's good that the school of journalism has a more balanced approach.
QUACK, QUACK - journalist - someone who tells others on something he knows
nothing about.
That is not to say ETs are visiting us.
They are not. Where is your proof?
But at the same time one can
not totally dimiss the idea.
Where is your proof that anything happened?
One can use Occam's razor to cut away Santa Claus, but that doesn't
fly when it comes to all the unexplained sightings and videos of UFOs.
Sanity Clause has noting to do with UFO's, you are mixed up.
What's really ironic is that any mention of UFOs is automatically open
to ridicule by the scientific community.
Not ridicule, skepiticism, and Where is the evidence, the proof? Got
anything physical?
But I hate to break it to
you, such a mindset is all about culture and belief - the complete
opposite of science.
And I'm not saying UFOs are alien spacecraft, but saying it's
impossible doesn't really fly.
Show me a UFO or alien spacecraft, or that they fly, you have nothing
verifyable.
Yes according to SR it's impossible to
accelerate to the speed of light, not to mention beyond. And it's
likely that any civilization is 100s of light years away, meaning by
conventional propulsion, it would take 10s of thousands of years to
travel the interstellar distances.
Glad you agree with SR.
Yet at the same time, the matter we are made of comprises only a small
fraction of the universe. The physicists don't know what dark matter
is - even though there is much more of it than the matter we are made
of. And they don't know anything about dark energy which makes up the
rest of the universe.
perhaps,
And to top it off there is no theory of quantum gravity - which is the
equivalent of saying electrons orbit the nucleus like planets around
the sun...
QUACK - you are sounding like a journalist.
And now you "scientists" are going to claim its impossible for UFOs to
be alien spacecraft?
Do you have any physical evidence that they are? Show me.
I think you'd be better off toning down the arrogance and superstition
and focus on things you actually know.
Good advice for yourself.
(BTW, say
One IF
we had a sister solar system that formed at the exact same
time ours did. The reality is that our sister star system could
Two IF's
hold a
civilaztion that is a 100 million years advanced beyond our 10,000
year civilization. Yeah I'm sure it's impossible for a million-year
civilization to hack the laws of phyics
assumption
- according to our barbarian
physicists who don't know what they are talking about...)
(Beam me up Scotty...)
Go watch some more startrek dude.
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| User: "skeptical" |
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| Title: Re: Peter Jennings UFO special |
01 Mar 2005 11:39:39 PM |
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On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 10:11:59 -0600, "Anonymouse" <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
"skeptical" <skeptical@skeptical.com> wrote in message
news:let021936rvu3v6gs8cdu50s564aef7c8p@4ax.com...
The show basically said Roswell and alien abuductions were
superstition. But it reported that all the thousands of reports of
unidentified flying objects that cannot be explained away - including
those from miltary pilots - cannot be easily dismissed.
In a court of law, eye-witness testimony can put you away for life or
death.
Only if corroborated.
In the court of science, all eye-witness testimony is for some
strange reason summarily dismissed.
No strange reason! must be verified!
Verified how?
Such evidence has often been verified by multiple witnesses with no
relation to each other, and on many occasions verified with radar or
video recordings.
What is your idea of verification? Capturing one of these
unexplainable phenomenon and examining it in a lab?
It's good that the school of journalism has a more balanced approach.
QUACK, QUACK - journalist - someone who tells others on something he knows
nothing about.
Peter Jennings and ABC's journalism is much more credible than your
fundamentalist idea of science.
That is not to say ETs are visiting us.
They are not. Where is your proof?
Where is your proof they are not?
But at the same time one can
not totally dimiss the idea.
Where is your proof that anything happened?
The proof or disproof is in studying all the data and classifying it.
That's what happened with the phenomenon of reports of alien
abductions.
Science was able to conclude that people were suffering from sleep
epilepsy and the imagery of aliens was due to popular culture. People
suffered from the same thing except with incubi and succubi in the day
when people believed in demons.
Does that mean people who see unexplainable unidentified objects in
the sky have their minds playing tricks on them? Possibly. But when
sightings are verified by unrelated people or recorded on radar and
video then that's a different story.
When it comes to medical testing part of the data collected is based
on doctors asking patients to describe their syptoms. And that's the
with placebo effect.
Yet scientists are able to overcome those limitations and come to
scientific conclusions based on all the lose data.
Why not do the same with the unexplained reports of UFOs?
The fact is SETI is scanning the skies for an absurdedly strong signal
of "I Love Lucy" broadcasted in the hydrogen absorption band. Yet
earth isn't broadcasting any signal like that. And the fact is if
aliens were sending out TV and radio signals like ours 10 LY away,
SETI wouldn't be able to pick it up.
And that is called science?
One can use Occam's razor to cut away Santa Claus, but that doesn't
fly when it comes to all the unexplained sightings and videos of UFOs.
Sanity Clause has noting to do with UFO's, you are mixed up.
Do you know what Occam's razor is?
What's really ironic is that any mention of UFOs is automatically open
to ridicule by the scientific community.
Not ridicule, skepiticism, and Where is the evidence, the proof? Got
anything physical?
According to Mach science should not accept anything that can't be
directly observed. Got anything physcial on electron clouds?
But I hate to break it to
you, such a mindset is all about culture and belief - the complete
opposite of science.
And I'm not saying UFOs are alien spacecraft, but saying it's
impossible doesn't really fly.
Show me a UFO or alien spacecraft, or that they fly, you have nothing
verifyable.
Show me a quark.
Yes according to SR it's impossible to
accelerate to the speed of light, not to mention beyond. And it's
likely that any civilization is 100s of light years away, meaning by
conventional propulsion, it would take 10s of thousands of years to
travel the interstellar distances.
Glad you agree with SR.
Yet at the same time, the matter we are made of comprises only a small
fraction of the universe. The physicists don't know what dark matter
is - even though there is much more of it than the matter we are made
of. And they don't know anything about dark energy which makes up the
rest of the universe.
perhaps,
And to top it off there is no theory of quantum gravity - which is the
equivalent of saying electrons orbit the nucleus like planets around
the sun...
QUACK - you are sounding like a journalist.
I'll take that as a compliment.
In any case, without a quantum theory of gravity, or a theory that
explains dark matter, dark energy and probably a million other things
that will be discovered in the future, it is blatantly unscientific
for scientists to speculate that's it's impossible to traverse the
unimaginably vast insterstellar distances.
And now you "scientists" are going to claim its impossible for UFOs to
be alien spacecraft?
Do you have any physical evidence that they are? Show me.
I think you'd be better off toning down the arrogance and superstition
and focus on things you actually know.
Good advice for yourself.
(BTW, say
One IF
we had a sister solar system that formed at the exact same
time ours did. The reality is that our sister star system could
Two IF's
hold a
civilaztion that is a 100 million years advanced beyond our 10,000
year civilization.
Are you saying there are no other civilzations in the universe?
If there are 1 in a billion star systems with civilizations in our
galaxy that would mean there are 100s of alien civilizations. And in
terms of galactic evolution of star systems capable of developing
life, such a sister-civilization could easily be evolved a billion
years beyond ours.
Yeah I'm sure it's impossible for a million-year
civilization to hack the laws of phyics
assumption
What is your assumption?
- according to our barbarian
physicists who don't know what they are talking about...)
(Beam me up Scotty...)
Go watch some more startrek dude.
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| User: "Jan Panteltje" |
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| Title: Re: Peter Jennings UFO special |
02 Mar 2005 06:48:38 AM |
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On a sunny day (Wed, 02 Mar 2005 01:39:39 -0400) it happened skeptical
<skeptical@skeptical.com> wrote in
<9mfa21pt2fom8cmvejnfa2maea3d6948dr@4ax.com>:
Peter Jennings and ABC's journalism is much more credible than your
fundamentalist idea of science.
So now scientist are -at least- associated with fundamentalists..
You happen to work for white house?
That is not to say ETs are visiting us.
Where is your proof they are not?
They would have eaten you.
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| User: "skeptical" |
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| Title: Re: Peter Jennings UFO special |
02 Mar 2005 07:25:48 AM |
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On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 12:48:38 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 02 Mar 2005 01:39:39 -0400) it happened skeptical
<skeptical@skeptical.com> wrote in
<9mfa21pt2fom8cmvejnfa2maea3d6948dr@4ax.com>:
Peter Jennings and ABC's journalism is much more credible than your
fundamentalist idea of science.
So now scientist are -at least- associated with fundamentalists..
You happen to work for white house?
Golly gee. Word games. I bet your favourite pastime is Scrabble.
It's certainly ironic that on one side you have Christian
fundamentalist fanatics.
And on the other, you have too many "science" fundamentalist
fanatics...
I always thought science was about finding out the truth about things,
not being a slave to arbitrary cultural knee-jerk reactions...
Oh yeah, Bush W believes in UFOs and that's why science is getting
shut out of the Whitehouse.
:/
That is not to say ETs are visiting us.
Where is your proof they are not?
They would have eaten you.
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| User: "Jan Panteltje" |
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| Title: Re: Peter Jennings UFO special |
02 Mar 2005 07:48:37 AM |
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On a sunny day (Wed, 02 Mar 2005 09:25:48 -0400) it happened skeptical
<skeptical@skeptical.com> wrote in
<pqeb21d5l4a5pgrnjv6il78cbbha74fp46@4ax.com>:
On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 12:48:38 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 02 Mar 2005 01:39:39 -0400) it happened skeptical
<skeptical@skeptical.com> wrote in
<9mfa21pt2fom8cmvejnfa2maea3d6948dr@4ax.com>:
Peter Jennings and ABC's journalism is much more credible than your
fundamentalist idea of science.
So now scientist are -at least- associated with fundamentalists..
You happen to work for white house?
Golly gee. Word games. I bet your favourite pastime is Scrabble.
No silly game, never play it.
I play the real thing.
No, you write *insinuating* and assigning parameter to 'scientists' that
not only generalizes in a bad way, but sort of suggests they are not open
minded. (none of them). You assign a bad property (in your vocabulary
anyways).
It's certainly ironic that on one side you have Christian
fundamentalist fanatics.
And on the other, you have too many "science" fundamentalist
fanatics...
Maybe science is about *reproducible* facts?
Like you can reproduce a chemical reaction, so everyone can test
and use it?
You look for *proof*, and a 150 year old granny grandma's drawing of
something that looks like a saucer is NO proof.
I always thought science was about finding out the truth about things,
not being a slave to arbitrary cultural knee-jerk reactions...
Oh yeah, Bush W believes in UFOs and that's why science is getting
shut out of the Whitehouse.
Bush is a nut case, so what he believes is of no consequence to reality.
Many of those politicians have been corrupted to the level that they will
switch believe for any $$$ any time (deleted or not).
As for the aliens, many times in the subconscious, experiences that relate
to 'out of body' or 'altered' states of consciousness, are conveyed via the
dream world, or even awake state, to 'rationalize' as aliens.
Why this need for aliens?
In the REAL world, looking at the way we (humans) have behaved when coming
across an 'alien' civilization (like Spanish came to Americas), it was
destroyed (that civilization), that is why I wrote 'you would have been
eaten'.
There is no reason to assume that an 'alien' who made it with advanced tech
all the way here, would look at us any pother way then we look at insects
(ants) when we go for a picknick.
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| User: "Jan Panteltje" |
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| Title: Re: Peter Jennings UFO special |
26 Feb 2005 08:15:38 AM |
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n a sunny day (Sat, 26 Feb 2005 10:08:52 -0400) it happened skeptical
<skeptical@skeptical.com> wrote in
<let021936rvu3v6gs8cdu50s564aef7c8p@4ax.com>:
(Beam me up Scotty...)
Done
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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| Title: Re: Peter Jennings UFO special |
26 Feb 2005 11:01:46 AM |
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skeptical wrote:
The show basically said Roswell and alien abuductions were
superstition. But it reported that all the thousands of reports of
unidentified flying objects that cannot be explained away - including
those from miltary pilots - cannot be easily dismissed.
The Virgin Mary on a piece of toast. Where were all tha UFOs in
medieval Europe? Where are all the miracle sitings today? God and
Satan were trapsing all over the place when only idiots were looking.
Where do you think garlic and onions originated? ("As the Devil trod
the Earth onions appeared under his right foot and garlic under his
left.") Buncha crap, both ways.
In a court of law, eye-witness testimony can put you away for life or
death. In the court of science, all eye-witness testimony is for some
strange reason summarily dismissed.
How come it's always poor White trash having their rectums reamed by
intergalactic proctologists? Why doesn't Marvin Martian ever visit
Stanford, Rwanda-Burundi, or Cape Cod?
[snip]
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "Richard Tobin" |
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| Title: Re: Peter Jennings UFO special |
26 Feb 2005 04:41:12 PM |
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In article <4220AB7A.76669155@hate.spam.net>,
Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote:
Where were all tha UFOs in
medieval Europe? Where are all the miracle sitings today?
God likes to move with the times.
-- Richard
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| User: "skeptical" |
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| Title: Re: Peter Jennings UFO special |
02 Mar 2005 12:09:22 AM |
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On 26 Feb 2005 22:41:12 GMT, (Richard Tobin)
wrote:
In article <4220AB7A.76669155@hate.spam.net>,
Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote:
Where were all tha UFOs in
medieval Europe? Where are all the miracle sitings today?
God likes to move with the times.
There are actually examples of medieval sightings in some paintings
and writings. Of course there wasn't that whole global-village media
thing back then.
Maybe all the sightings are imagination.
Yet the reality is that one can only take a credible position based on
a study of the all the data, and the findings that come out of it.
It's ironic that the people who summarily dismiss all the data and any
examination of it on a cultural bias consider themselves diehard
scientists?
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: Peter Jennings UFO special |
27 Feb 2005 11:34:43 AM |
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Peter jennings is a dumbass anyway.
What some has-beens will do to make the house paymnets =A1
If peter pothead could biuld a power plant he could pay his bills.
Nope ,,the idiots wants to sell ufo ***** instead.
I dont even nead to see the show.
Its too stupid to view I'm shure.
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| User: "skeptical" |
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| Title: Re: Peter Jennings UFO special |
01 Mar 2005 11:56:06 PM |
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On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:34:43 -0500, (tj
Frazir) wrote:
Peter jennings is a dumbass anyway.
What some has-beens will do to make the house paymnets ¡
If peter pothead could biuld a power plant he could pay his bills.
Nope ,,the idiots wants to sell ufo ***** instead.
I dont even nead to see the show.
Its too stupid to view I'm shure.
I'm sure...
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| User: "skeptical" |
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| Title: Re: Peter Jennings UFO special |
01 Mar 2005 11:55:02 PM |
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On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 09:01:46 -0800, Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net>
wrote:
skeptical wrote:
The show basically said Roswell and alien abuductions were
superstition. But it reported that all the thousands of reports of
unidentified flying objects that cannot be explained away - including
those from miltary pilots - cannot be easily dismissed.
The Virgin Mary on a piece of toast. Where were all tha UFOs in
medieval Europe? Where are all the miracle sitings today? God and
Satan were trapsing all over the place when only idiots were looking.
Where do you think garlic and onions originated? ("As the Devil trod
the Earth onions appeared under his right foot and garlic under his
left.") Buncha crap, both ways.
You are hand's down the bin Laden of science fundamentalism.
Try studying all the data objectively then get back to me with the
Virgin Mary on a piece of toast.
In a court of law, eye-witness testimony can put you away for life or
death. In the court of science, all eye-witness testimony is for some
strange reason summarily dismissed.
How come it's always poor White trash having their rectums reamed by
intergalactic proctologists? Why doesn't Marvin Martian ever visit
Stanford, Rwanda-Burundi, or Cape Cod?
[snip]
Actually poor African and Latin Americans are more likely to find
themselves on death row because of eye-witness testimony (and corrupt
cops tainting the line-up.)
In any case, with unexplained unidentified objects in the sky there
are often many unconnected people who observe the same thing,
including airline and military pilots. And on top of that there are
radar and video recordings.
This is hardly a couple witnesses being told what person in the lineup
to pick out - who is later cleared on DNA evidence.
You summarily dismiss all the evidence presented as being
unscientific. But the reality is that for rare occuring phenomenom,
whether real or imagined, it has to be studied in detail and
classified.
The real reason why these sightings are not taken seriously is because
of the "science" culture, which is highly unscientific.
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