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"Franco" |
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17 May 2004 03:42:20 PM |
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Physics and God. |
Is there any possibility according to physics that God could exist?
Most of physicists are atheists. But physics do not know everything about
cosmos, so is there any possibility for existence of God?
In other words.
Can we make up an hypothesis that concern God as creator of universe? I
mean a normal hypothesis. A reasonable hypothesis.
Thank you to everybody!!
Best Regards,
Franco
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| User: "Old Man" |
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17 May 2004 05:27:48 PM |
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"Franco" <englishenglish@tin.it> wrote in message
news:Ms9qc.200714$hc5.8826494@news3.tin.it...
Is there any possibility according to physics that God could
exist? ...
Does Franco wish that physics could predict the actions of
God ? What does that say of Franco's faith ? How is Franco
to get into heaven without the need for faith ? [Old Man]
Franco
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17 May 2004 06:51:27 PM |
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"Franco" <englishenglish@tin.it> wrote in message
news:Ms9qc.200714$hc5.8826494@news3.tin.it...
Is there any possibility according to physics that God could exist?
Most of physicists are atheists. But physics do not know everything about
cosmos, so is there any possibility for existence of God?
In other words.
Can we make up an hypothesis that concern God as creator of universe? I
mean a normal hypothesis. A reasonable hypothesis.
Thank you to everybody!!
Best Regards,
Franco
Sicuro, "Ipotesi: Il dio è creatore dell'universo ". Come può si
dimostrare o confutare questa fisica usando? Il più lo guardate, esso
diventa più duro per dire che appena "è accaduto su esso deve possedere".
Il vostro presupposto "la maggior parte dei fisici è atheists", necessità di
essere verificato, diverso della dichiarazione "che la maggior parte dei
comunisti sono atheists". Buona Fortuna!
Sure, "Hypothesis: God is creator of universe". How can one prove or
disprove this using Physics? The more you look at it, it becomes harder to
say it just "it happened on it's own". Your assumption "most of physicists
are atheists", needs to be verified, unlike the statement "most communists
are atheists". Good Luck!
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| User: "Kirk Gregory Czuhai" |
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18 May 2004 07:44:19 PM |
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"*" <*@*.com> wrote in message news:<2gt1flF69mvtU1@uni-berlin.de>...
"Franco" <englishenglish@tin.it> wrote in message
news:Ms9qc.200714$hc5.8826494@news3.tin.it...
Is there any possibility according to physics that God could exist?
Most of physicists are atheists. But physics do not know everything about
cosmos, so is there any possibility for existence of God?
In other words.
Can we make up an hypothesis that concern God as creator of universe? I
mean a normal hypothesis. A reasonable hypothesis.
Thank you to everybody!!
Best Regards,
Franco
Sicuro, "Ipotesi: Il dio è creatore dell'universo ". Come può si
dimostrare o confutare questa fisica usando? Il più lo guardate, esso
diventa più duro per dire che appena "è accaduto su esso deve possedere".
Il vostro presupposto "la maggior parte dei fisici è atheists", necessità di
essere verificato, diverso della dichiarazione "che la maggior parte dei
comunisti sono atheists". Buona Fortuna!
Sure, "Hypothesis: God is creator of universe". How can one prove or
disprove this using Physics? The more you look at it, it becomes harder to
say it just "it happened on it's own". Your assumption "most of physicists
are atheists", needs to be verified, unlike the statement "most communists
are atheists". Good Luck!
here we go..a word game! communism actually means strictly everybody
has all they need and IS the ideal society JUST LIKE HEAVEN!!! WHERE
GOD would surely BE! AS soon as Physists can solve more that two point
classical special force problems EXACTLY!, let them tout how big shot
they are! WHAT GAURENTEE CAN ANYONE OF THEM GIVE YOU THAT F=dp/dt,
will not become something else in the next five minutes? Probably it
will not change! but no one can be sure right? (except GOD?)
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| User: "mitch perkins" |
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| Title: Re: Physics and God. |
19 May 2004 03:01:48 AM |
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(Kirk Gregory Czuhai) wrote in message news:<68c18740.0405181644.47efbd11@posting.google.com>...
here we go..a word game! communism actually means strictly everybody
has all they need and IS the ideal society JUST LIKE HEAVEN!!! WHERE
GOD would surely BE! AS soon as Physists can solve more that two point
classical special force problems EXACTLY!, let them tout how big shot
they are! WHAT GAURENTEE CAN ANYONE OF THEM GIVE YOU THAT F=dp/dt,
will not become something else in the next five minutes? Probably it
will not change! but no one can be sure right? (except GOD?)
You've convinced *me*! I'm chopping my fingers off as I read!
Drive sideways! Talk to bricks! ***** big shot physicists can't
even make me happy for a *week*! Where's the guarantee, I
scream...WHERE IS IT??
buh-bye
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| User: "Franco" |
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18 May 2004 06:58:47 AM |
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* <*@*.com> ha scritto nel messaggio <2gt1flF69mvtU1@uni-berlin.de>...
"Franco" <englishenglish@tin.it> wrote in message
news:Ms9qc.200714$hc5.8826494@news3.tin.it...
Is there any possibility according to physics that God could exist?
Sure, "Hypothesis: God is creator of universe". How can one prove or
disprove this using Physics?
Do you think that "god is creator of universe" is a physical hypothesis?
How do you define the term "god"? What is "god"?
Regards,
Franco
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| User: "*" |
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18 May 2004 12:02:40 PM |
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"Franco" <englishenglish@tin.it> wrote in message
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* <*@*.com> ha scritto nel messaggio <2gt1flF69mvtU1@uni-berlin.de>...
"Franco" <englishenglish@tin.it> wrote in message
news:Ms9qc.200714$hc5.8826494@news3.tin.it...
Is there any possibility according to physics that God could exist?
Sure, "Hypothesis: God is creator of universe". How can one prove or
disprove this using Physics?
Do you think that "god is creator of universe" is a physical hypothesis?
That was my question to you. "How can one prove or disprove this using
Physics?"
How do you define the term "god"? What is "god"?
Which religion? One, three, 24(romans?), 300 Million (ref U. Al). I think
the above Hypothesis is too religion specific, Islamic, Jewish? Not
Catholic, they have 3. How many religions do they have in India or on the
West Coast? If we define God or agree on a definition, we need to also
define Universe, Physical, Creator, Man, existance, and Physics,and we would
never get the last one done.
I think the intent of the above Hypothesis is better phrased as "Can
Physics be used to prove Religion?" and I am sure there are some religions
out there based on Physics, but could they provide a Proof? (Mathematitions
provide Proofs)
Regards,
Franco
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| User: "Mark Folsom" |
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18 May 2004 12:49:46 AM |
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"Franco" <englishenglish@tin.it> wrote in message
news:Ms9qc.200714$hc5.8826494@news3.tin.it...
Is there any possibility according to physics that God could exist?
Most of physicists are atheists. But physics do not know everything about
cosmos, so is there any possibility for existence of God?
In other words.
Can we make up an hypothesis that concern God as creator of universe? I
mean a normal hypothesis. A reasonable hypothesis.
Certainly not a reasonable hypothesis. If you want to use some really
pathological hypotheses, maybe, but only if you don't choose a logically
impossible god. The Christian tri-omni thing is definitely out.
Mark Folsom
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| User: "Franco" |
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18 May 2004 07:01:02 AM |
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Mark Folsom ha scritto nel messaggio <10aj9jv6rmggiaf@corp.supernews.com>...
Can we make up an hypothesis that concern God as creator of universe? I
mean a normal hypothesis. A reasonable hypothesis.
Certainly not a reasonable hypothesis.
I do agree with you!
But agnostics insist that is a good hypothesis!
How can we persuade that they are wrong?
Regards,
Franco
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| User: "*" |
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18 May 2004 07:14:10 PM |
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<snip>>
I do agree with you!
But agnostics insist that is a good hypothesis!
How can we persuade that they are wrong?
Regards,
Franco
Is that the objective to persuade they are wrong?
Perhaps you misunderstand "Hypothesis",
which is an educated assumption then proven or unproven.
It is the start of a logical discussion,
but Physics and Religion are in different worlds.
The Hypothesis is easily stated, lots of coments bac on it,
but the real work in proving or disproving will
probably not be sucessful as the fields are too desperate.
However, the Hypothesis can still be stated, or its inverse.
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| User: "Antonio Fanelli" |
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18 May 2004 11:20:03 AM |
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On Tue, 18 May 2004 12:01:02 GMT, "Franco" <englishenglish@tin.it>
wrote:
But agnostics insist that is a good hypothesis!
Agnostics does not says this.
It has been told you.
Have you some problem with memory like the protagonist of the movie
Memento?
--
WILLOW: Is there anything you don't know everything about?
GILES: Synchronized swimming. Complete mystery to me.
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| User: "Michael Varney" |
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17 May 2004 04:12:48 PM |
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"Franco" <englishenglish@tin.it> wrote in message
news:Ms9qc.200714$hc5.8826494@news3.tin.it...
Is there any possibility according to physics that God could exist?
No.
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| User: "Franco" |
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18 May 2004 06:56:18 AM |
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Michael Varney ha scritto nel messaggio ...
"Franco" <englishenglish@tin.it> wrote in message
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Is there any possibility according to physics that God could exist?
No.
I do agree with you!
Do you think that physics somehow could demonstrate that?
Regards,
Franco
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| User: "Michael Varney" |
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18 May 2004 07:04:53 AM |
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"Franco" <englishenglish@tin.it> wrote in message
news:CRmqc.202568$hc5.8920830@news3.tin.it...
Michael Varney ha scritto nel messaggio ...
"Franco" <englishenglish@tin.it> wrote in message
news:Ms9qc.200714$hc5.8826494@news3.tin.it...
Is there any possibility according to physics that God could exist?
No.
I do agree with you!
Do you think that physics somehow could demonstrate that?
No.
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| User: "Franco" |
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18 May 2004 07:11:54 AM |
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Michael Varney ha scritto nel messaggio ...
"Franco" <englishenglish@tin.it> wrote in message
news:CRmqc.202568$hc5.8920830@news3.tin.it...
Michael Varney ha scritto nel messaggio ...
"Franco" <englishenglish@tin.it> wrote in message
news:Ms9qc.200714$hc5.8826494@news3.tin.it...
Is there any possibility according to physics that God could exist?
No.
I do agree with you!
Do you think that physics somehow could demonstrate that?
No.
I do agree with you.
How can physics demonstrate existence of "god" if "god" is not definite?
That is not a good hypothesis. That's like nothing! A nonsensical
expression! That's all.
Regards,
Franco
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| User: "" |
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18 May 2004 02:10:53 PM |
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In article <CRmqc.202568$hc5.8920830@news3.tin.it>, "Franco" <englishenglish@tin.it> writes:
Michael Varney ha scritto nel messaggio ...
"Franco" <englishenglish@tin.it> wrote in message
news:Ms9qc.200714$hc5.8826494@news3.tin.it...
Is there any possibility according to physics that God could exist?
No.
I do agree with you!
Do you think that physics somehow could demonstrate that?
Of course not.
Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
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| User: "Mike" |
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19 May 2004 09:36:43 AM |
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"Franco" <englishenglish@tin.it> wrote in message news:<Ms9qc.200714$hc5.8826494@news3.tin.it>...
Is there any possibility according to physics that God could exist?
"exist" is not the subject of physics but one of Metaphysics, of which
Theology is a branch.
Most of physicists are atheists. But physics do not know everything about
cosmos, so is there any possibility for existence of God?
Do not confuse an atheist with an agnostic. Most physicists will tell
you they do not know whether God exists. God is unobservable and fails
verification.
In other words.
Can we make up an hypothesis that concern God as creator of universe? I
mean a normal hypothesis. A reasonable hypothesis.
Just make one. It will be a metaphysical hypothesis. Nothing to do
with physics. There is no such thing as a normal or reasonable
hypothesis. There is hypothesis subject to falsification and
hypothesis in the form of a bold postulate that evades falsification.
Physicists like the former whereas in metaphysics the latter is
considered if in combination with facts and epistemological principles
leads to advanced predictions. As such, even if one puts forward a
bold hypothesis about the existence of a God, such hypothesis is
redundant in any deductive process leading to predictions. Therefore,
it can be removed without affecting the deduction process based on
remaining facts and epistemology. As a result, this sort of bold
hypothesis is useless.
But since tou asked for it, consider the following: If there is a God,
He must be necessarily Omniscient. If God is Omniscient the He knows
everything that can and will happen. Then, man has no free will,
because before he is even born, there is someone Who knows everything
he will do. As you can see, what is the purpose of God judging people
for things He already knows they will do? And if He knows people will
do bad things, why isn't He preventing them? He either does not want
or He cannot? In either case He cannot be the God you are looking for.
But I have a better one for you: before asking questions about
hypotheses of the existence of God can you solve the following problem
for me?
My two chicken make two eggs in two days. If I have 10 chicken of the
same kind, in ten days how many eggs I will have?
The reason I'm asking you this question is that many answer it wrong
and then understand what kind of morrons they are with simple things
while asking questions about very complicated things.
Mike
Thank you to everybody!!
Best Regards,
Franco
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| User: "Antonio Fanelli" |
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19 May 2004 11:42:55 AM |
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On 19 May 2004 07:36:43 -0700, (Mike) wrote:
If there is a God,
He must be necessarily Omniscient
why?
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We can't bring down the Senior Partners,
but for one bright, shining moment,
we can show them that they don't own us.
You need to decide for yourselves if that's worth dying for
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| User: "G=EMC^2 Glazier" |
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19 May 2004 05:43:15 PM |
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Hi Antonio It was Hawking that went to Rome to teach the Pope how the
big bang created all there is. I'm sure the Pope's mind was not changed.
Who could be more brain washed than the Pope. He prayed for God to
forgive Hawking for his ignorance. Let him stay in purgatory for a short
time,for he knows not what he speaks' Let poor Hawking into heaven,and
learn to play the harp,and earn his angel wings. Bert
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| User: "Anolethron" |
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18 May 2004 08:54:38 AM |
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Basta Franco. Devi renderti conto che stai parlando solo di una convenzione
millenaria...
è inutile parlare di cose di cui non sai un cazzo. Devi comunque comportarti
come se non esistesse (ammesso e non concesso che esista), finchè sei sulla
terra.
Lo dico per te.
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| User: "Prai Jei" |
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18 May 2004 02:01:03 PM |
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Franco (or somebody else of the same name) wrote in message
<Ms9qc.200714$hc5.8826494@news3.tin.it> thusly:
Is there any possibility according to physics that God could exist?
Most of physicists are atheists. But physics do not know everything about
cosmos, so is there any possibility for existence of God?
In other words.
Can we make up an hypothesis that concern God as creator of universe? I
mean a normal hypothesis. A reasonable hypothesis.
Thank you to everybody!!
Best Regards,
Franco
Who actually drew up the laws of physics?
If you can answer that one then Job chapter 38 should be a doddle.
--
Paul Townsend
I put it down there, and when I went back to it, there it was GONE!
Interchange the alphabetic elements to reply
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| User: "" |
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19 May 2004 01:03:02 PM |
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Prai Jei <pvstownsend@zyx-abc.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message news:<c8dj5c$5jn$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>...
Franco (or somebody else of the same name) wrote in message
<Ms9qc.200714$hc5.8826494@news3.tin.it> thusly:
Is there any possibility according to physics that God could exist?
Most of physicists are atheists. But physics do not know everything about
cosmos, so is there any possibility for existence of God?
In other words.
Can we make up an hypothesis that concern God as creator of universe? I
mean a normal hypothesis. A reasonable hypothesis.
Thank you to everybody!!
Best Regards,
Franco
Who actually drew up the laws of physics?
Physicists.
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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17 May 2004 04:32:21 PM |
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Franco wrote:
Is there any possibility according to physics that God could exist?
No--Physics deal with how the universe works, not religion.
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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17 May 2004 04:08:38 PM |
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Franco wrote:
Is there any possibility according to physics that God could exist?
Science and religion are orthogonal. Which of the 300 million Hindu
gods were you considering?
[snip crap]
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" The Net!
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| User: "Bjoern Feuerbacher" |
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18 May 2004 04:40:36 AM |
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Franco wrote:
Is there any possibility according to physics that God could exist?
Depends on how you define "God". ;-)
Most of physicists are atheists.
Are you sure? Have you got statistics for that?
But physics do not know everything about
cosmos, so is there any possibility for existence of God?
See above.
In other words.
Can we make up an hypothesis that concern God as creator of universe? I
mean a normal hypothesis. A reasonable hypothesis.
Still: see above.
Bye,
Bjoern
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| User: "Franco" |
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18 May 2004 06:26:06 AM |
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Bjoern Feuerbacher ha scritto nel messaggio ...
Franco wrote:
Is there any possibility according to physics that God could exist?
Depends on how you define "God". ;-)
Agnostics define "god" as the creator of our universe. That's all!!
Do you think that is sufficient to define god and make up an hypothesis
about existence of god?
Most of physicists are atheists.
Are you sure? Have you got statistics for that?
NATURE vol. 394 No. 6691 p.313 (1998)
Macmillian Publishers Ltd
Regards,
Franco
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| User: "+» Elfo «+" |
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18 May 2004 07:18:25 AM |
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"Franco" <englishenglish@tin.it> tecnë:
news:ipmqc.202457$hc5.8917524@news3.tin.it...
Agnostics define "god" as the creator of our universe. That's all!!
False again.
Evidently you are in bad faith.
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±__)(ElfØ)(__±
"Born to breathe Not much else You'll die of nothing Like everybody else
Born to breathe Nothing is what I am No-one to save me
From myself I can't see Blind is what I am
Swimming for the womb Like everybody else"
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| User: "AaronB" |
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18 May 2004 12:57:41 PM |
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"Franco" <englishenglish@tin.it> wrote in message news:<ipmqc.202457$hc5.8917524@news3.tin.it>...
Bjoern Feuerbacher ha scritto nel messaggio ...
Franco wrote:
Is there any possibility according to physics that God could exist?
Depends on how you define "God". ;-)
Agnostics define "god" as the creator of our universe. That's all!!
Do you think that is sufficient to define god and make up an hypothesis
about existence of god?
Technically, yes. The logical proof is quite simple. Basically, from
that definition we get that: If the universe was created, then God
created it (by definition) If God created the universe, then he must
exist (or have existed). Therefore, according to the above definition,
if the universe was created, then God exists (or have existed).
Of course, then you have to prove that the universe was (or wasn't)
created, which is a bit complicated.
Naturally, if you change your definition of God, you may get a simpler
or more complex problem.
A.
Most of physicists are atheists.
Are you sure? Have you got statistics for that?
NATURE vol. 394 No. 6691 p.313 (1998)
Macmillian Publishers Ltd
Regards,
Franco
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| User: "Bjoern Feuerbacher" |
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18 May 2004 10:46:52 AM |
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Franco wrote:
Bjoern Feuerbacher ha scritto nel messaggio ...
Franco wrote:
Is there any possibility according to physics that God could exist?
Depends on how you define "God". ;-)
Agnostics define "god" as the creator of our universe. That's all!!
I doubt that that is the general definition used by agnostics, but let's
use this.
So the question becomes:
"Is there any possibility according to physics that the universe
had a creator?"
Well, I would say that depends on what exactly one means by "creator of
the universe". The statement is still *much* to vague - it can't be
tested without knowing a bit about the properties of the creator and the
methods he used to create.
Do you think that is sufficient to define god
No.
and make up an hypothesis about existence of god?
Well, not a scientific hypothesis.
Most of physicists are atheists.
Are you sure? Have you got statistics for that?
NATURE vol. 394 No. 6691 p.313 (1998)
Macmillian Publishers Ltd
Thanks. I'll try to look that up.
Bye,
Bjoern
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| User: "Franco" |
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19 May 2004 05:08:50 AM |
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Bjoern Feuerbacher ha scritto nel messaggio ...
Is there any possibility according to physics that God could exist?
Depends on how you define "God". ;-)
Agnostics define "god" as the creator of our universe. That's all!!
I doubt that that is the general definition used by agnostics, but let's
use this.
So the question becomes:
"Is there any possibility according to physics that the universe
had a creator?"
Well, I would say that depends on what exactly one means by "creator of
the universe". The statement is still *much* to vague - it can't be
tested without knowing a bit about the properties of the creator and the
methods he used to create.
Do you think that is sufficient to define god
No.
and make up an hypothesis about existence of god?
Well, not a scientific hypothesis.
I quite agree with you !!
Regards,
Franco
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| User: "Franco" |
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18 May 2004 11:41:05 AM |
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Bjoern Feuerbacher ha scritto nel messaggio ...
CUT
I do agree with you!!
Regards,
Franco
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