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01 Oct 2006 01:28:11 AM |
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physics as a religion about obsession with human survivability |
hi
Has anyone thought about physics as a religion about obsession with
human survivability?
What would happen if humans have a different set of constraints?
Will physics be developed if humans were immune to temperature changes,
immune to high velocity impact, can live forever, never feel hunger,
etc.
Who would care about geometry if humans were indestructible?
Who would care about velocity vectors if humans can jump from one
planet to another?
Who would care about entropy if humans can swim in lava lake?
Who would care about numbers if humans don't have to eat?
Who would care about time if humans can live forever?
So it seems to me human conditions largely define the direction physics
is developed.
When has human survivability became a religion?
Other liveforms didn't take it that serious.
Became food and be done with it.
If humans only need sun to survive, physics will probably never be
developed.
So religious people do survive better!
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: physics as a religion about obsession with human survivability |
01 Oct 2006 03:41:48 AM |
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<perltcl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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hi
Has anyone thought about physics as a religion about obsession with
human survivability?
Obviously you have... Well, a bit at least.
What would happen if humans have a different set of constraints?
Will physics be developed if humans were immune to temperature changes,
immune to high velocity impact, can live forever, never feel hunger,
etc.
Yes. But it would be different.
Who would care about geometry if humans were indestructible?
Sane, thinking, people.
Who would care about velocity vectors if humans can jump from one
planet to another?
Any one who wanted to move things.
Who would care about entropy if humans can swim in lava lake?
Who would care about numbers if humans don't have to eat?
Who would care about time if humans can live forever?
These things would still be "Learnable."
So it seems to me human conditions largely define the direction physics
is developed.
Everyone has their own opinions.
When has human survivability became a religion?
I dont know. When?
Other liveforms didn't take it that serious.
Prove they dont.
Became food and be done with it.
If humans only need sun to survive, physics will probably never be
developed.
I disagree.
So religious people do survive better!
Prove it.
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| User: "Martin Hogbin" |
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| Title: Re: physics as a religion about obsession with human survivability |
01 Oct 2006 04:37:05 AM |
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<perltcl@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1159684091.758551.258710@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
hi
Has anyone thought about physics as a religion about obsession with
human survivability?
Who knows?
What would happen if humans have a different set of constraints?
Will physics be developed if humans were immune to temperature changes,
immune to high velocity impact, can live forever, never feel hunger,
etc.
Who would care about geometry if humans were indestructible?
Who would care about velocity vectors if humans can jump from one
planet to another?
Who would care about entropy if humans can swim in lava lake?
Who would care about numbers if humans don't have to eat?
Who would care about time if humans can live forever?
So it seems to me human conditions largely define the direction physics
is developed.
I am sure many physicist would agree with you here. Physics is
about quantitively describing the universe in a way that is useful
or interesting to humans.
When has human survivability became a religion?
Other liveforms didn't take it that serious.
Became food and be done with it.
If humans only need sun to survive, physics will probably never be
developed.
So religious people do survive better!
I fail to see the connection with religion.
Martin Hogbin
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| User: "Sorcerer" |
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| Title: Re: physics as a religion about obsession with human survivability |
01 Oct 2006 05:14:46 AM |
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"Martin Hogbin" <goatREMOVETHIS123@hogbin.org> wrote in message
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| Who knows?
| I am sure many physicist would agree with you here. Physics is
| about quantitively describing the universe in a way that is useful
| or interesting to humans.
| I fail to see the connection with religion.
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| Martin Hogbin
Fail to see .... yep, you sure do.
Androcles.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: physics as a religion about obsession with human survivability |
01 Oct 2006 04:53:37 AM |
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Martin Hogbin wrote:
<perltcl@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1159684091.758551.258710@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
hi
Has anyone thought about physics as a religion about obsession with
human survivability?
Who knows?
What would happen if humans have a different set of constraints?
Will physics be developed if humans were immune to temperature changes,
immune to high velocity impact, can live forever, never feel hunger,
etc.
Who would care about geometry if humans were indestructible?
Who would care about velocity vectors if humans can jump from one
planet to another?
Who would care about entropy if humans can swim in lava lake?
Who would care about numbers if humans don't have to eat?
Who would care about time if humans can live forever?
So it seems to me human conditions largely define the direction physics
is developed.
I am sure many physicist would agree with you here. Physics is
about quantitively describing the universe in a way that is useful
or interesting to humans.
When has human survivability became a religion?
Other liveforms didn't take it that serious.
Became food and be done with it.
If humans only need sun to survive, physics will probably never be
developed.
So religious people do survive better!
I fail to see the connection with religion.
I'm using religious as a general adjective to describe physicist's hard
working attitude to preserve mankind, it has no relation with "other"
kind of religions which are more akin to swindling. So from a scale of
1 to 10, physics is about 1 part swindling and 9 part survivability.
Martin Hogbin
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: physics as a religion about obsession with human survivability |
01 Oct 2006 09:38:59 AM |
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<perltcl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1159696417.645861.115330@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Martin Hogbin wrote:
<perltcl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1159684091.758551.258710@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
hi
Has anyone thought about physics as a religion about obsession with
human survivability?
Who knows?
What would happen if humans have a different set of constraints?
Will physics be developed if humans were immune to temperature changes,
immune to high velocity impact, can live forever, never feel hunger,
etc.
Who would care about geometry if humans were indestructible?
Who would care about velocity vectors if humans can jump from one
planet to another?
Who would care about entropy if humans can swim in lava lake?
Who would care about numbers if humans don't have to eat?
Who would care about time if humans can live forever?
So it seems to me human conditions largely define the direction physics
is developed.
I am sure many physicist would agree with you here. Physics is
about quantitively describing the universe in a way that is useful
or interesting to humans.
When has human survivability became a religion?
Other liveforms didn't take it that serious.
Became food and be done with it.
If humans only need sun to survive, physics will probably never be
developed.
So religious people do survive better!
I fail to see the connection with religion.
I'm using religious as a general adjective to describe physicist's hard
working attitude to preserve mankind, it has no relation with "other"
kind of religions which are more akin to swindling. So from a scale of
1 to 10, physics is about 1 part swindling and 9 part survivability.
Only if you redefine survivability and swindling to mean something else.
Physics is about describing the world in a manner humans can understand. It
is not about preservation of humanity.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: physics as a religion about obsession with human survivability |
01 Oct 2006 07:49:57 PM |
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T Wake wrote:
<perltcl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1159696417.645861.115330@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Martin Hogbin wrote:
<perltcl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1159684091.758551.258710@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
hi
Has anyone thought about physics as a religion about obsession with
human survivability?
Who knows?
What would happen if humans have a different set of constraints?
Will physics be developed if humans were immune to temperature changes,
immune to high velocity impact, can live forever, never feel hunger,
etc.
Who would care about geometry if humans were indestructible?
Who would care about velocity vectors if humans can jump from one
planet to another?
Who would care about entropy if humans can swim in lava lake?
Who would care about numbers if humans don't have to eat?
Who would care about time if humans can live forever?
So it seems to me human conditions largely define the direction physics
is developed.
I am sure many physicist would agree with you here. Physics is
about quantitively describing the universe in a way that is useful
or interesting to humans.
When has human survivability became a religion?
Other liveforms didn't take it that serious.
Became food and be done with it.
If humans only need sun to survive, physics will probably never be
developed.
So religious people do survive better!
I fail to see the connection with religion.
I'm using religious as a general adjective to describe physicist's hard
working attitude to preserve mankind, it has no relation with "other"
kind of religions which are more akin to swindling. So from a scale of
1 to 10, physics is about 1 part swindling and 9 part survivability.
Only if you redefine survivability and swindling to mean something else.
If swindling has a bad connotation, how about marketing?
Physics is about describing the world in a manner humans can understand. It
is not about preservation of humanity.
How about "religiously marketing a 'numerically accurate' model of the
universe"?
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: physics as a religion about obsession with human survivability |
02 Oct 2006 09:57:41 AM |
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<perltcl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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T Wake wrote:
<perltcl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1159696417.645861.115330@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Martin Hogbin wrote:
<perltcl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1159684091.758551.258710@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
hi
Has anyone thought about physics as a religion about obsession with
human survivability?
Who knows?
What would happen if humans have a different set of constraints?
Will physics be developed if humans were immune to temperature
changes,
immune to high velocity impact, can live forever, never feel hunger,
etc.
Who would care about geometry if humans were indestructible?
Who would care about velocity vectors if humans can jump from one
planet to another?
Who would care about entropy if humans can swim in lava lake?
Who would care about numbers if humans don't have to eat?
Who would care about time if humans can live forever?
So it seems to me human conditions largely define the direction
physics
is developed.
I am sure many physicist would agree with you here. Physics is
about quantitively describing the universe in a way that is useful
or interesting to humans.
When has human survivability became a religion?
Other liveforms didn't take it that serious.
Became food and be done with it.
If humans only need sun to survive, physics will probably never be
developed.
So religious people do survive better!
I fail to see the connection with religion.
I'm using religious as a general adjective to describe physicist's hard
working attitude to preserve mankind, it has no relation with "other"
kind of religions which are more akin to swindling. So from a scale of
1 to 10, physics is about 1 part swindling and 9 part survivability.
Only if you redefine survivability and swindling to mean something else.
If swindling has a bad connotation, how about marketing?
Again it depends on what you want the words to mean.
Physics is about describing the world in a manner humans can understand.
It
is not about preservation of humanity.
How about "religiously marketing a 'numerically accurate' model of the
universe"?
Nah, I prefer my description.
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| User: "PD" |
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| Title: Re: physics as a religion about obsession with human survivability |
07 Oct 2006 08:10:51 AM |
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wrote:
T Wake wrote:
< > wrote in message
news:1159696417.645861.115330@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Martin Hogbin wrote:
< > wrote in message
news:1159684091.758551.258710@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
hi
Has anyone thought about physics as a religion about obsession with
human survivability?
Who knows?
What would happen if humans have a different set of constraints?
Will physics be developed if humans were immune to temperature changes,
immune to high velocity impact, can live forever, never feel hunger,
etc.
Who would care about geometry if humans were indestructible?
Who would care about velocity vectors if humans can jump from one
planet to another?
Who would care about entropy if humans can swim in lava lake?
Who would care about numbers if humans don't have to eat?
Who would care about time if humans can live forever?
So it seems to me human conditions largely define the direction physics
is developed.
I am sure many physicist would agree with you here. Physics is
about quantitively describing the universe in a way that is useful
or interesting to humans.
When has human survivability became a religion?
Other liveforms didn't take it that serious.
Became food and be done with it.
If humans only need sun to survive, physics will probably never be
developed.
So religious people do survive better!
I fail to see the connection with religion.
I'm using religious as a general adjective to describe physicist's hard
working attitude to preserve mankind, it has no relation with "other"
kind of religions which are more akin to swindling. So from a scale of
1 to 10, physics is about 1 part swindling and 9 part survivability.
Only if you redefine survivability and swindling to mean something else.
If swindling has a bad connotation, how about marketing?
Physics is about describing the world in a manner humans can understand. It
is not about preservation of humanity.
How about "religiously marketing a 'numerically accurate' model of the
universe"?
There wouldn't be any point to marketing it unless it could be used,
and that's precisely what you said: acquiring information about
nature's patterns of predictability so that those patterns can be
exploited to build useful things or control natural behavior in a way
that is useful. Note that the very same thing is true for medicine,
engineering, chemistry, psychology, geology, meteorology, and just
about any other scientifically oriented human endeavor. And I don't see
a problem with that.
PD
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| User: "Martin Hogbin" |
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| Title: Re: physics as a religion about obsession with human survivability |
01 Oct 2006 05:24:11 AM |
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<perltcl@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1159696417.645861.115330@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Martin Hogbin wrote:
<perltcl@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1159684091.758551.258710@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
hi
I fail to see the connection with religion.
I'm using religious as a general adjective to describe physicist's hard
working attitude to preserve mankind, it has no relation with "other"
kind of religions which are more akin to swindling. So from a scale of
1 to 10, physics is about 1 part swindling and 9 part survivability.
If you are using the word in an extremely broad sense to
mean any kind of thought (including things such as philosophy
and atheism) then I can see the connection.
I suggest that you will get into fewer pointless arguments
if you use the word 'religious' in a more usual and
restricted sense.
You might try the same question about mathematics. How
much of maths is human invention and how much is
pre-existing? That argument has been going on for
centuries.
Martin Hogbin
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| User: "Sorcerer" |
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| Title: Re: physics as a religion about obsession with human survivability |
01 Oct 2006 06:10:14 AM |
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"Martin Hogbin" <goatREMOVETHIS123@hogbin.org> wrote in message
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| <perltcl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| > Martin Hogbin wrote:
| > > <perltcl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| > > > hi
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| > > I fail to see the connection with religion.
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| > I'm using religious as a general adjective to describe physicist's hard
| > working attitude to preserve mankind, it has no relation with "other"
| > kind of religions which are more akin to swindling. So from a scale of
| > 1 to 10, physics is about 1 part swindling and 9 part survivability.
| >
| If you are using the word in an extremely broad sense to
| mean any kind of thought (including things such as philosophy
| and atheism) then I can see the connection.
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| I suggest that you will get into fewer pointless arguments
| if you use the word 'religious' in a more usual and
| restricted sense.
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| You might try the same question about mathematics. How
| much of maths is human invention and how much is
| pre-existing? That argument has been going on for
| centuries.
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| Martin Hogbin
Math is art. Mathematicians do not pretend otherwise.
That why I have Bachelor of ARTS as my first degree.
Physics, broadly, is not a religion, but relativity is,
it is faithfully believed by those that have no competence
in mathematics.
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
You are one of the faithful, get down on your prayer
mat, stick your arse in the air, face Princeton and
beg Einstein's forgiveness to be saved.
Hail Aether,
Full of Light,
Einstein is with thee.
Blessed art thou among absolute frames of reference,
and blessed is the fruit of thy tomb, Lorentz Transform.
Holy Aether,
Daughter of Lunacy,
prey on us morons now,
and at the dilated hour of death.
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| User: "Martin Hogbin" |
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| Title: Re: physics as a religion about obsession with human survivability |
01 Oct 2006 05:32:16 PM |
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"Sorcerer" <Headmaster@hogwarts.physics_b> wrote in message news:qmNTg.55640$aP3.42641@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
Math is art. Mathematicians do not pretend otherwise.
That why I have Bachelor of ARTS as my first degree.
Physics, broadly, is not a religion, but relativity is,
it is faithfully believed by those that have no competence
in mathematics.
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
You are one of the faithful, get down on your prayer
mat, stick your arse in the air, face Princeton and
beg Einstein's forgiveness to be saved.
Hail Aether,
Full of Light,
Einstein is with thee.
Blessed art thou among absolute frames of reference,
and blessed is the fruit of thy tomb, Lorentz Transform.
Holy Aether,
Daughter of Lunacy,
prey on us morons now,
and at the dilated hour of death.
Not even interesting.
Martin Hogbin
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| User: "Sorcerer" |
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| Title: Re: physics as a religion about obsession with human survivability |
01 Oct 2006 06:00:44 PM |
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"Martin Hogbin" <goatREMOVETHIS123@hogbin.org> wrote in message
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| "Sorcerer" <Headmaster@hogwarts.physics_b> wrote in message
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| >
| > Math is art. Mathematicians do not pretend otherwise.
| > That why I have Bachelor of ARTS as my first degree.
| > Physics, broadly, is not a religion, but relativity is,
| > it is faithfully believed by those that have no competence
| > in mathematics.
| > http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
| > You are one of the faithful, get down on your prayer
| > mat, stick your arse in the air, face Princeton and
| > beg Einstein's forgiveness to be saved.
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| > Hail Aether,
| > Full of Light,
| > Einstein is with thee.
| > Blessed art thou among absolute frames of reference,
| > and blessed is the fruit of thy tomb, Lorentz Transform.
| > Holy Aether,
| > Daughter of Lunacy,
| > prey on us morons now,
| > and at the dilated hour of death.
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| Not even interesting.
Your one line whining certainly never will be, *****.
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