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"Doodedski" |
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20 Oct 2004 07:25:13 PM |
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physics experiments |
I have just started working as a supply high school teacher in
science. The lab part of the courses doesn't seem to interest the
students all that much and I don't really blame them. The
experiments are very basic and not that impressive. I am trying to
think of new experiments and I was just wondering if anybody had
suggestions about sources to consult (internet, books...). The
courses that I teach touch a broad range of subjects: mechanics,
optics, electromagnetism, thermodynamics, general chemistry,
technology, earth sciences, biology...
Thanks for any suggestions
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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| Title: Re: physics experiments |
20 Oct 2004 08:14:13 PM |
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Doodedski wrote:
I have just started working as a supply high school teacher in
science. The lab part of the courses doesn't seem to interest the
students all that much and I don't really blame them. The
experiments are very basic and not that impressive. I am trying to
think of new experiments and I was just wondering if anybody had
suggestions about sources to consult (internet, books...). The
courses that I teach touch a broad range of subjects: mechanics,
crowbar and mechanical advantage
optics,
big Fresnel lens, sunshine, melted terracotta flowerpot surface.
electromagnetism,
Lens' law popping a conducting ring. Gang 'em for an accelerator
(recessed surface coil).
thermodynamics,
Belousov-Zhabotinsky reaction to counterdemonstrate equilibrium
thermodynamics
general chemistry,
adsorb natural dyes (yellow onion skin, beet juice, blueberry,
pomegranate, Oregon false grape... on aluminum hydroxide, chromium
hydroxide, or ferric hydroxide gel (e.g., alum + sodium carbonate) to
make lakes. Deposite the gel within white cotton, wool, silk, etc.
then dye. Compare with plain fabric.
technology,
play Windows Minesweeper. Beat
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/092.png
earth sciences,
write to Montana for some green kimberlite. Graze NY city subway
talus for garnet schist.
biology...
isolate DNA from semen. It's a remarkably clean high yield
isolation. The gals will find a supply and the guys will thank you
for it - or the gals get to use minced beef heart. Anatomy is
destiny.
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Uncle Al
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: physics experiments |
20 Oct 2004 09:00:57 PM |
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Doodedski wrote:
I have just started working as a supply high school teacher in
science. The lab part of the courses doesn't seem to interest the
students all that much and I don't really blame them. The
experiments are very basic and not that impressive. I am trying to
think of new experiments and I was just wondering if anybody had
suggestions about sources to consult (internet, books...). The
courses that I teach touch a broad range of subjects: mechanics,
optics, electromagnetism, thermodynamics, general chemistry,
technology, earth sciences, biology...
Thanks for any suggestions
In my opinion, the labs are almost worthless, not because of
the subject matter, but how they are structured... Students
just want to get through them without engaging in thinking.
That's just the opposite of what we want... we want them to
have to figure out what to do to get the solution. And to
question or check if it is a reasonable solution.
A check list of step... fill in the blanks... model with a
computer program... does't do the trick.
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| User: "Maleki" |
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| Title: Re: physics experiments |
21 Oct 2004 09:55:33 AM |
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On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 02:00:57 GMT, Sam Wormley wrote:
Doodedski wrote:
I have just started working as a supply high school teacher in
science. The lab part of the courses doesn't seem to interest the
students all that much and I don't really blame them. The
experiments are very basic and not that impressive. I am trying to
think of new experiments and I was just wondering if anybody had
suggestions about sources to consult (internet, books...). The
courses that I teach touch a broad range of subjects: mechanics,
optics, electromagnetism, thermodynamics, general chemistry,
technology, earth sciences, biology...
Thanks for any suggestions
In my opinion, the labs are almost worthless, not because of
the subject matter, but how they are structured... Students
just want to get through them without engaging in thinking.
That's just the opposite of what we want... we want them to
have to figure out what to do to get the solution. And to
question or check if it is a reasonable solution.
A check list of step... fill in the blanks... model with a
computer program... does't do the trick.
What made it work (but this was in first year university
physics, not high school) for my generation was a strict
demand on students for completing a "report" of the
experiment. This may also work for high school students.
Note that you have to place time limitation for it to work,
otherwise students will slack off.
It amuses me how strict they were in checking what we did in
those reports. Damn those French methods. The whole thing
had to be done in one sitting. That report was _the_ driving
force for us in understanding everything about the
experiment. We struggled, thought, repeated, frustrated,
raced against time, improvised, panicked, quarelled, spied
on others, succeeded, etc, just because we knew we had to
"report" it later in that 5 or 10 page form and turn it in
same day. You could not cheat in it because a successful
cheating would take about the same amount of time and
headache as doing it in earnest, and time was limited (lab
began 1pm and lucky ones would go home 7pm, unlucky ones
would stay till around midnight). There was one report for
each team of about 3 or 4, and it involved among many
careful statements also a superb error analysis without
which you wouldn't know if you had garbage on your hands or
you'd actually done and shown some little meaningful thing
in that experiment. The practice was modelled after French
methods of early 20th century. That's where our professors
of those days were drawing from.
I began to appreciate, for one, what it meant to get
anything pretty close to the value of 4.19 of energy/calorie
conversion. You just have to go through it to appreciate it.
Also we found out that among girls some are really smart! I
wonder if there could've been any other way or situation for
us that could've helped us to find this out. When it got to
the point of using everything that you got to get the job
done, many of them were every bit as valuable a teammate as
the guys.
--
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| User: "Steve Ralph" |
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| Title: Re: physics experiments |
21 Oct 2004 10:01:26 AM |
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"Maleki" <maleki_m_@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 02:00:57 GMT, Sam Wormley wrote:
Doodedski wrote:
I have just started working as a supply high school teacher in
science. The lab part of the courses doesn't seem to interest the
students all that much and I don't really blame them. The
experiments are very basic and not that impressive. I am trying to
think of new experiments and I was just wondering if anybody had
suggestions about sources to consult (internet, books...). The
courses that I teach touch a broad range of subjects: mechanics,
optics, electromagnetism, thermodynamics, general chemistry,
technology, earth sciences, biology...
Thanks for any suggestions
Are you in the U.K? Just surviving the day without sustaining severe
stress is about all one can do. Discipline in U.K schools is so bad
it is simply not possible to do any more than this most of the time.
And by now you have probably been replaced by a classroom assistant.
SR
In my opinion, the labs are almost worthless, not because of
the subject matter, but how they are structured... Students
just want to get through them without engaging in thinking.
That's just the opposite of what we want... we want them to
have to figure out what to do to get the solution. And to
question or check if it is a reasonable solution.
A check list of step... fill in the blanks... model with a
computer program... does't do the trick.
What made it work (but this was in first year university
physics, not high school) for my generation was a strict
demand on students for completing a "report" of the
experiment. This may also work for high school students.
Note that you have to place time limitation for it to work,
otherwise students will slack off.
It amuses me how strict they were in checking what we did in
those reports. Damn those French methods. The whole thing
had to be done in one sitting. That report was _the_ driving
force for us in understanding everything about the
experiment. We struggled, thought, repeated, frustrated,
raced against time, improvised, panicked, quarelled, spied
on others, succeeded, etc, just because we knew we had to
"report" it later in that 5 or 10 page form and turn it in
same day. You could not cheat in it because a successful
cheating would take about the same amount of time and
headache as doing it in earnest, and time was limited (lab
began 1pm and lucky ones would go home 7pm, unlucky ones
would stay till around midnight). There was one report for
each team of about 3 or 4, and it involved among many
careful statements also a superb error analysis without
which you wouldn't know if you had garbage on your hands or
you'd actually done and shown some little meaningful thing
in that experiment. The practice was modelled after French
methods of early 20th century. That's where our professors
of those days were drawing from.
I began to appreciate, for one, what it meant to get
anything pretty close to the value of 4.19 of energy/calorie
conversion. You just have to go through it to appreciate it.
Also we found out that among girls some are really smart! I
wonder if there could've been any other way or situation for
us that could've helped us to find this out. When it got to
the point of using everything that you got to get the job
done, many of them were every bit as valuable a teammate as
the guys.
--
tA bedAnjA resid dAneshe man
ke bedAnam hami ke nAdAnam
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| User: "Timo Voipio" |
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| Title: Re: physics experiments |
22 Oct 2004 08:46:29 AM |
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Maleki wrote:
What made it work (but this was in first year university
physics, not high school) for my generation was a strict
demand on students for completing a "report" of the
experiment. This may also work for high school students.
Note that you have to place time limitation for it to work,
otherwise students will slack off.
According to my experience, that method does work also for high school
students. I graduated with an International Baccalaureate Diploma, one of
the requirements of which is taking at least one science subject. One-fourth
of the final grade in science subjects, in turn, is based on lab reports.
Writing those reports was a major PITA when all other deadlines were looming
near, but it did make us learn. Ah, the joy of finally making that blasted
regression line fit and getting the correct result to amazing two
significant digits...
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| User: "Paul Draper" |
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| Title: Re: physics experiments |
21 Oct 2004 08:16:23 AM |
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billybilly54321@hotmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (Doodedski) wrote in message news:<417701e9$1_2@127.0.0.1>...
I have just started working as a supply high school teacher in
science. The lab part of the courses doesn't seem to interest the
students all that much and I don't really blame them. The
experiments are very basic and not that impressive. I am trying to
think of new experiments and I was just wondering if anybody had
suggestions about sources to consult (internet, books...). The
courses that I teach touch a broad range of subjects: mechanics,
optics, electromagnetism, thermodynamics, general chemistry,
technology, earth sciences, biology...
Thanks for any suggestions
1. Get them out of the lab and into real life. Take them to the
playground for a mechanics lab. A swing demonstrates how the period
depends on the length of the chains and not the mass at the end. Two
kids tossing a ball on a rotating merry-go-round teaches them
everything about the Coriolis force. Have them predict the
acceleration of a sliding object on the slide.
2. Arrange a trip to a local theme park. You can make lateral and
vertical accelerometers for about $1 apiece. Have them draw the
electrical circuit analogous to the log flume ride. Have them measure
g-forces on the looping roller-coaster. Have them measure the height
of a non-looping roller coaster by sighting the angle to a point on
the ground and pacing off the horizontal distance, and then calculate
the top speed at the bottom of the hill using energy conservation.
3. Give them a big semester project to build a clock, or rather, a
timer that counts to and marks one hour without going over with a
clear event or signal. Offer 1st, 2nd, and 3rd prizes. The only
proviso is they have to do their own design (due midterm), they have
to prototype to demonstrate to themselves that things don't always
work as designed and need bugs worked out, and -- by the way -- they
can't use any clock parts or anything that serves as a clock in any
device. You'll get water clocks, marked incense sticks, toy trains
that revolve on a track winding up a spool of string as it goes, etc,
some truly amazing ideas. More importantly, they'll get over their
fear of actually BUILDING something, and it will give them a sense of
applying physics -- e.g. engineering.
PD
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| User: "Doodedski" |
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| Title: re:physics experiments |
21 Oct 2004 07:25:09 PM |
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thanks for the replies
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