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"Don1" |
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14 Oct 2005 01:58:52 PM |
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Pi |
The value of pi is numerically greatest in a Euclidean plane.
Don
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| User: "odin" |
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14 Oct 2005 02:38:37 PM |
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"Don1" <dcshead@charter.net> wrote in message
news:1129316332.803964.269340@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The value of pi is numerically greatest in a Euclidean plane.
If your definition of pi depends on the geometry you are using, that is fine
with me. But your statement above is still wrong... Idiot. It is true that
elliptic geometry (Riemannian geometry of relativity), which has positive
curvature, where the ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter is
less than the Euclidean value of pi. But what about hyperbolic geometry
(horse's saddle) which has negative curvature, where the ratio of a circle's
circumference to its diameter is greater than the Euclidean value of pi.
Don1... don't you ever get *anything* correct?
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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14 Oct 2005 02:09:16 PM |
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Don1 wrote:
The value of pi is numerically greatest in a Euclidean plane.
Hey Dumb Donny *****, pi is a mathematical constant. Pi's value is
invariant, Dumb Donny *****. "A History Of Pi," Petr Beckman. Get
a Head Start slum bunny to read it to you, Dumb Donny *****.
<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0312381859/104-0574564-2707106?v=glance>
Idiot.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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14 Oct 2005 09:51:24 PM |
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"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
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Don1 wrote:
The value of pi is numerically greatest in a Euclidean plane.
<piggybacking because I've plonked Don1>
pi = 3 for small values of pi and large values of 3.
--
rb
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| User: "Androcles Androcles@ MyPlace.org" |
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16 Oct 2005 05:22:51 AM |
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"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
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[snip crap]
Hey dumb Alice *****,
If you follow threads from March 1999 when Androcles posted the
orginal bug in relativity you will see an increasingly hysterical and
vicious collusion of bitter little people who deny the process of
scientific inquiry and are utterly rabid about the disclosure being
done. They literally drool foaming spit.
They don't care about the results. They scream, threaten, and attempt
assassination to prevent the disclosure from ever taking place. What
do they fear? They fear their own exposure as the small people they
are.
The critic trolls and idiot vituperators have lost. Androcles
has all his ducks in a row - raw theory, support, calculation, public
disclosure, and no army. Not even the final result remains.
LITLE PEOPLE LIKE UNCLE SNIPCRAP HATE THAT and will
throw any tantrum and invent any lie to prevent the inevitable.
They cannot prevent the inevitable. The disclosure proceeds and the
final knowledge will be had. A null result is the historic Gold
Standard
of performance, but the truth is a Platinum result. The net result is
the
trivially reproducible falsification of Special Relativity in existing
mathematics
all over the world. Professionals call this "science." We don't care
what
god-fearing witch burners and wog haters call it.
Credit for a successful disclosure cannot be stolen by an unsuccessful
rogue
researcher.
It's happening. Let the universe decide.
Androcles
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| User: "Ahmet Hungari" |
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14 Oct 2005 11:00:48 PM |
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On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:09:16 -0700, Uncle Al wrote:
Don1 wrote:
The value of pi is numerically greatest in a Euclidean plane.
Hey Dumb Donny *****, pi is a mathematical constant. Pi's value is
invariant, Dumb Donny *****. "A History Of Pi," Petr Beckman. Get
a Head Start slum bunny to read it to you, Dumb Donny *****.
<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0312381859/104-0574564-2707106?v=glance>
Idiot.
PI's being constant does not make Don1's saying wrong. yes PI is a
mathematical constant, and also is numerically greatest in a Euclidean
plane. think you have 3 value:
3.14(in euclidean plane) 3.14(in other plane) 3.14(in other plane)
question: which is the biggest one?
answer: 3.14
you can also say "The value of pi is numerically equivalent
in all planes" and that will be again true. it is just matter
of language.
question: why do all you guys hate poor Don1? :)
his saying is absolutly useless but true.
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| User: "odin" |
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14 Oct 2005 11:41:11 PM |
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3.14(in euclidean plane) 3.14(in other plane) 3.14(in other plane)
question: which is the biggest one?
answer: 3.14
Idiot.
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| User: "tadchem" |
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15 Oct 2005 08:02:29 AM |
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"odin" <ragnarok@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Nq-dnZ6FPJ36Fc3eRVn-2g@whidbeytel.com...
3.14(in euclidean plane) 3.14(in other plane) 3.14(in other plane)
question: which is the biggest one?
answer: 3.14
Idiot.
Maybe he's just an engineer.
"The engineer knows that pi equals 3.14; the scientist knows that pi equals
3.14159265...; the mathematician doesn't know what pi is." - Thaddeus Stout
Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA
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| User: "odin" |
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15 Oct 2005 09:20:26 AM |
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Idiot.
Maybe he's just an engineer.
That does in Tom! Put 'em up!
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| User: "" |
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15 Oct 2005 08:26:48 AM |
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In article <oeqdnSn5jNtjm8zeRVn-tw@comcast.com>,
"tadchem" <tadchemNOSPAM@comcast.net> wrote:
"odin" <ragnarok@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Nq-dnZ6FPJ36Fc3eRVn-2g@whidbeytel.com...
3.14(in euclidean plane) 3.14(in other plane) 3.14(in other plane)
question: which is the biggest one?
answer: 3.14
Idiot.
Maybe he's just an engineer.
"The engineer knows that pi equals 3.14; the scientist knows that pi equals
3.14159265...; the mathematician doesn't know what pi is." - Thaddeus Stout
Heh. If mathematicians don't know what it is, why do they sprinkle
all over my integrals?
/BAH
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| User: "" |
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14 Oct 2005 11:52:08 PM |
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In article <Nq-dnZ6FPJ36Fc3eRVn-2g@whidbeytel.com>, "odin" <ragnarok@yahoo.com> writes:
3.14(in euclidean plane) 3.14(in other plane) 3.14(in other plane)
question: which is the biggest one?
answer: 3.14
Idiot.
Nah, he isn't. It just depends on what precise definition of
"biggest" is used. If the definition is "there is nothing bigger"
then the answer is correct. If it is "anything else is smaller", then
the answer is incorrect.
And now, that it all have been reduced to semantics, I'll bow out:-)
Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
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| User: "Ahmet Hungari" |
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16 Oct 2005 09:08:09 AM |
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On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 21:41:11 -0700, odin wrote:
3.14(in euclidean plane) 3.14(in other plane) 3.14(in other plane)
question: which is the biggest one?
answer: 3.14
Idiot.
just idiot? thank you, but I prefer you mentioned about your own ideas.
any way my be you do not have any.
by the way, i did not say any thing that will make you think I write pi as
3.14. My question was just an example, it does not have any part about pi.
I wrote it to imply the meaning of "biggest". any way, forget it. you just
like to argue but do not like to think.
have a nice day
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| User: "The Unstable Concoction of Fascinet" |
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14 Oct 2005 03:47:39 PM |
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Uncle Al wrote:
Don1 wrote:
The value of pi is numerically greatest in a Euclidean plane.
Hey Dumb Donny *****, pi is a mathematical constant. Pi's value is
invariant, Dumb Donny *****. "A History Of Pi," Petr Beckman. Get
a Head Start slum bunny to read it to you, Dumb Donny *****.
<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0312381859/104-0574564-2707106?v=glance>
Idiot.
He's not an idiot, he's an ignoramus.
To show himself to be an idiot, he'd have to show he's not abe to
think. To do this, he could, say, flame someone while showing that he
doesn't see the obvious meaning of a statement.
-F
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| User: "PD" |
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14 Oct 2005 05:01:56 PM |
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The Unstable Concoction of Fascinet wrote:
Uncle Al wrote:
Don1 wrote:
The value of pi is numerically greatest in a Euclidean plane.
Hey Dumb Donny *****, pi is a mathematical constant. Pi's value is
invariant, Dumb Donny *****. "A History Of Pi," Petr Beckman. Get
a Head Start slum bunny to read it to you, Dumb Donny *****.
<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0312381859/104-0574564-2707106?v=glance>
Idiot.
He's not an idiot, he's an ignoramus.
To show himself to be an idiot, he'd have to show he's not abe to
think. To do this, he could, say, flame someone while showing that he
doesn't see the obvious meaning of a statement.
:>}
There is no flame more subtle or beautiful than an alcohol flame,
barely visible and very hot.
PD
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14 Oct 2005 02:42:26 PM |
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Uncle HAl9000 wrote:
Hey Dumb Donny *****, pi is a mathematical constant. Pi's value is
invariant, Dumb Donny *****. "A History Of Pi," Petr Beckman. Get
a Head Start slum bunny to read it to you, Dumb Donny *****.
<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0312381859/104-0574564-2707106?v=glance>
Idiot.
My, Uncle HAL9000, you do let people get to you. Chill out. Take a
stress pill. Care of the astronauts. Help Amdro-cheese remove a thorn.
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14 Oct 2005 03:02:34 PM |
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cs/of/for/
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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14 Oct 2005 06:25:08 PM |
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Don1 wrote:
The value of pi is numerically greatest in a Euclidean plane.
Don
Pi is a constant, but the ratio (oh, Shead, you like ratios)
of circumference to diameter of a circle is different in
different geometries. Even if you meant "ratio" instead of
"pi", you are wrong.
Why don't you go bake a square pie, then you won't get so
confused... and you can tell somebody "pie r square"!
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| User: "brian a m stuckless" |
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14 Oct 2005 08:17:32 PM |
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Are you claiming a BH event horizon's "(circumference)^2",
divided by pi, DOEs NOT equal the horizon "surface area"?
This is independent of diameter for ANY spacetime Tivity.
(snicker.) brian a m stuckless
<> >><> >><> >><> >><>
mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:
In other spaces the ratio is in general not constant but
a function of the size of a circle, thus any talk about it
being larger or smaller is gibberish.
Cracked pot, troll.!!
Is this clear?
Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
Sam Wormley wrote:
Pi is a constant, but the ratio --
of circumference to diameter of a circle is different in
different geometries.
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| User: "PD" |
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14 Oct 2005 02:32:09 PM |
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Don1 wrote:
The value of pi is numerically greatest in a Euclidean plane.
Don
If you mean pi, the ratio of circumference to the diameter of a circle,
this is not true. In a plane in hyperbolic space, this ratio is larger
than that in a Euclidean space. You're probably only thinging of
positive curvature spaces, like the surface of the earth.
PD
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| User: "" |
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14 Oct 2005 04:01:26 PM |
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In article <1129318329.597405.309680@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "PD" <TheDraperFamily@gmail.com> writes:
Don1 wrote:
The value of pi is numerically greatest in a Euclidean plane.
Don
If you mean pi, the ratio of circumference to the diameter of a circle,
this is not true. In a plane in hyperbolic space, this ratio is larger
than that in a Euclidean space. You're probably only thinging of
positive curvature spaces, like the surface of the earth.
Sigh. Not again:-(
Pi is a mathematical *constant*. *****Period*****. It can be defined
in different ways but if you want a geometric definition, it is *not*
"the ratio of circumference to the diameter of a circle". No, it
is "the ratio of circumference to the diameter of a circle *in
Euclidean space*". Is this clear. In other spaces the ratio is in
general not constant but a function of the size of a circle, thus any
talk about it being larger or smaller is gibberish.
Question: What is the tallest building in Chicago?
Answer: The Sears Tower
Question: What is the tallest building in Chicago when you're in
Podunk, Kentucky?
Answer: The Sears Tower.
Question: What is the tallest building in Chicago when you're in
Kuala Lumpur?
Answer: The Sears Tower.
Is this clear?
Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
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| User: "Dirk Van de moortel" |
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14 Oct 2005 04:09:25 PM |
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<mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu> wrote in message news:G0V3f.33$25.2773@news.uchicago.edu...
In article <1129318329.597405.309680@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "PD" <TheDraperFamily@gmail.com> writes:
Don1 wrote:
The value of pi is numerically greatest in a Euclidean plane.
Don
If you mean pi, the ratio of circumference to the diameter of a circle,
this is not true. In a plane in hyperbolic space, this ratio is larger
than that in a Euclidean space. You're probably only thinging of
positive curvature spaces, like the surface of the earth.
Sigh. Not again:-(
No worries...
Pi is a mathematical *constant*. *****Period*****. It can be defined
in different ways but if you want a geometric definition, it is *not*
"the ratio of circumference to the diameter of a circle". No, it
is "the ratio of circumference to the diameter of a circle *in
Euclidean space*". Is this clear. In other spaces the ratio is in
general not constant but a function of the size of a circle, thus any
talk about it being larger or smaller is gibberish.
Question: What is the tallest building in Chicago?
Answer: The Sears Tower
Question: What is the tallest building in Chicago when you're in
Podunk, Kentucky?
Answer: The Sears Tower.
Question: What is the tallest building in Chicago when you're in
Kuala Lumpur?
Answer: The Sears Tower.
Is this clear?
I'm sure it is clear for PD.
Perhaps in stead of
"If you mean pi, the ratio of circumference to the diameter
of a circle, this is not true."
he should have said
"If you mean by pi the ratio of circumference to the diameter
of a circle, this is not true."
And perhaps he should also have explained that pi is a constant,
but I think he just wanted to talk to DonShead in DonShead's
very private language, and take it from there. PD is a very good
teacher.
Dirk Vdm
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| User: "PD" |
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14 Oct 2005 04:15:07 PM |
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Dirk Van de moortel wrote:
<mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu> wrote in message news:G0V3f.33$25.2773@news.uchicago.edu...
In article <1129318329.597405.309680@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "PD" <TheDraperFamily@gmail.com> writes:
Don1 wrote:
The value of pi is numerically greatest in a Euclidean plane.
Don
If you mean pi, the ratio of circumference to the diameter of a circle,
this is not true. In a plane in hyperbolic space, this ratio is larger
than that in a Euclidean space. You're probably only thinging of
positive curvature spaces, like the surface of the earth.
Sigh. Not again:-(
No worries...
Pi is a mathematical *constant*. *****Period*****. It can be defined
in different ways but if you want a geometric definition, it is *not*
"the ratio of circumference to the diameter of a circle". No, it
is "the ratio of circumference to the diameter of a circle *in
Euclidean space*". Is this clear. In other spaces the ratio is in
general not constant but a function of the size of a circle, thus any
talk about it being larger or smaller is gibberish.
Question: What is the tallest building in Chicago?
Answer: The Sears Tower
Question: What is the tallest building in Chicago when you're in
Podunk, Kentucky?
Answer: The Sears Tower.
Question: What is the tallest building in Chicago when you're in
Kuala Lumpur?
Answer: The Sears Tower.
Is this clear?
I'm sure it is clear for PD.
Perhaps in stead of
"If you mean pi, the ratio of circumference to the diameter
of a circle, this is not true."
he should have said
"If you mean by pi the ratio of circumference to the diameter
of a circle, this is not true."
And perhaps he should also have explained that pi is a constant,
but I think he just wanted to talk to DonShead in DonShead's
very private language, and take it from there. PD is a very good
teacher.
Why thank you. Thank you very much.
Dirk Vdm
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14 Oct 2005 04:42:18 PM |
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In article <98V3f.23420$941.935017@phobos.telenet-ops.be>, "Dirk Van de moortel" <dirkvandemoortel@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> writes:
<mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu> wrote in message news:G0V3f.33$25.2773@news.uchicago.edu...
In article <1129318329.597405.309680@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "PD" <TheDraperFamily@gmail.com> writes:
Don1 wrote:
The value of pi is numerically greatest in a Euclidean plane.
Don
If you mean pi, the ratio of circumference to the diameter of a circle,
this is not true. In a plane in hyperbolic space, this ratio is larger
than that in a Euclidean space. You're probably only thinging of
positive curvature spaces, like the surface of the earth.
Sigh. Not again:-(
No worries...
Pi is a mathematical *constant*. *****Period*****. It can be defined
in different ways but if you want a geometric definition, it is *not*
"the ratio of circumference to the diameter of a circle". No, it
is "the ratio of circumference to the diameter of a circle *in
Euclidean space*". Is this clear. In other spaces the ratio is in
general not constant but a function of the size of a circle, thus any
talk about it being larger or smaller is gibberish.
Question: What is the tallest building in Chicago?
Answer: The Sears Tower
Question: What is the tallest building in Chicago when you're in
Podunk, Kentucky?
Answer: The Sears Tower.
Question: What is the tallest building in Chicago when you're in
Kuala Lumpur?
Answer: The Sears Tower.
Is this clear?
I'm sure it is clear for PD.
Perhaps in stead of
"If you mean pi, the ratio of circumference to the diameter
of a circle, this is not true."
he should have said
"If you mean by pi the ratio of circumference to the diameter
of a circle, this is not true."
And perhaps he should also have explained that pi is a constant,
but I think he just wanted to talk to DonShead in DonShead's
very private language, and take it from there. PD is a very good
teacher.
Yes, he certainly is. Though, as to whether his teaching skills will
put a dent in Don's skull, well, I wish him luck but I would bet
against it.
Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
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| User: "Dirk Van de moortel" |
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15 Oct 2005 04:22:35 AM |
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<mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu> wrote in message news:_CV3f.37$25.2791@news.uchicago.edu...
In article <98V3f.23420$941.935017@phobos.telenet-ops.be>, "Dirk Van de moortel" <dirkvandemoortel@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com>
writes:
<mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu> wrote in message news:G0V3f.33$25.2773@news.uchicago.edu...
In article <1129318329.597405.309680@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "PD" <TheDraperFamily@gmail.com> writes:
Don1 wrote:
The value of pi is numerically greatest in a Euclidean plane.
Don
If you mean pi, the ratio of circumference to the diameter of a circle,
this is not true. In a plane in hyperbolic space, this ratio is larger
than that in a Euclidean space. You're probably only thinging of
positive curvature spaces, like the surface of the earth.
Sigh. Not again:-(
No worries...
Pi is a mathematical *constant*. *****Period*****. It can be defined
in different ways but if you want a geometric definition, it is *not*
"the ratio of circumference to the diameter of a circle". No, it
is "the ratio of circumference to the diameter of a circle *in
Euclidean space*". Is this clear. In other spaces the ratio is in
general not constant but a function of the size of a circle, thus any
talk about it being larger or smaller is gibberish.
Question: What is the tallest building in Chicago?
Answer: The Sears Tower
Question: What is the tallest building in Chicago when you're in
Podunk, Kentucky?
Answer: The Sears Tower.
Question: What is the tallest building in Chicago when you're in
Kuala Lumpur?
Answer: The Sears Tower.
Is this clear?
I'm sure it is clear for PD.
Perhaps in stead of
"If you mean pi, the ratio of circumference to the diameter
of a circle, this is not true."
he should have said
"If you mean by pi the ratio of circumference to the diameter
of a circle, this is not true."
And perhaps he should also have explained that pi is a constant,
but I think he just wanted to talk to DonShead in DonShead's
very private language, and take it from there. PD is a very good
teacher.
Yes, he certainly is. Though, as to whether his teaching skills will
put a dent in Don's skull, well, I wish him luck but I would bet
against it.
He seems to have learned something from your Sears Tower.
That was a good one :-)
Excellent job!
Dirk Vdm
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15 Oct 2005 04:41:34 AM |
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In article <vT34f.23690$S06.961580@phobos.telenet-ops.be>, "Dirk Van de moortel" <dirkvandemoortel@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> writes:
<mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu> wrote in message news:_CV3f.37$25.2791@news.uchicago.edu...
In article <98V3f.23420$941.935017@phobos.telenet-ops.be>, "Dirk Van de moortel" <dirkvandemoortel@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com>
writes:
<mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu> wrote in message news:G0V3f.33$25.2773@news.uchicago.edu...
In article <1129318329.597405.309680@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "PD" <TheDraperFamily@gmail.com> writes:
Don1 wrote:
The value of pi is numerically greatest in a Euclidean plane.
Don
If you mean pi, the ratio of circumference to the diameter of a circle,
this is not true. In a plane in hyperbolic space, this ratio is larger
than that in a Euclidean space. You're probably only thinging of
positive curvature spaces, like the surface of the earth.
Sigh. Not again:-(
No worries...
Pi is a mathematical *constant*. *****Period*****. It can be defined
in different ways but if you want a geometric definition, it is *not*
"the ratio of circumference to the diameter of a circle". No, it
is "the ratio of circumference to the diameter of a circle *in
Euclidean space*". Is this clear. In other spaces the ratio is in
general not constant but a function of the size of a circle, thus any
talk about it being larger or smaller is gibberish.
Question: What is the tallest building in Chicago?
Answer: The Sears Tower
Question: What is the tallest building in Chicago when you're in
Podunk, Kentucky?
Answer: The Sears Tower.
Question: What is the tallest building in Chicago when you're in
Kuala Lumpur?
Answer: The Sears Tower.
Is this clear?
I'm sure it is clear for PD.
Perhaps in stead of
"If you mean pi, the ratio of circumference to the diameter
of a circle, this is not true."
he should have said
"If you mean by pi the ratio of circumference to the diameter
of a circle, this is not true."
And perhaps he should also have explained that pi is a constant,
but I think he just wanted to talk to DonShead in DonShead's
very private language, and take it from there. PD is a very good
teacher.
Yes, he certainly is. Though, as to whether his teaching skills will
put a dent in Don's skull, well, I wish him luck but I would bet
against it.
He seems to have learned something from your Sears Tower.
Really? I'll be tickled pink if he did.
That was a good one :-)
Excellent job!
Well, thank you.
Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
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| User: "PD" |
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| Title: Re: Pi |
14 Oct 2005 04:08:44 PM |
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wrote:
In article <1129318329.597405.309680@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "PD" <TheDraperFamily@gmail.com> writes:
Don1 wrote:
The value of pi is numerically greatest in a Euclidean plane.
Don
If you mean pi, the ratio of circumference to the diameter of a circle,
this is not true. In a plane in hyperbolic space, this ratio is larger
than that in a Euclidean space. You're probably only thinging of
positive curvature spaces, like the surface of the earth.
Sigh. Not again:-(
Pi is a mathematical *constant*. *****Period*****. It can be defined
in different ways but if you want a geometric definition, it is *not*
"the ratio of circumference to the diameter of a circle". No, it
is "the ratio of circumference to the diameter of a circle *in
Euclidean space*". Is this clear. In other spaces the ratio is in
general not constant but a function of the size of a circle, thus any
talk about it being larger or smaller is gibberish.
Sometimes I talk with Don in less than precise language, because he is
trying to bridge himself from the familiar to the scientific (with
great difficulty). You are right, which is why I said "If you mean...".
I also glossed over the bit about the size of the circle, which we
would have gotten to if he had asked me what the hell I was talking
about, as he sometimes does.
Question: What is the tallest building in Chicago?
Answer: The Sears Tower
Question: What is the tallest building in Chicago when you're in
Podunk, Kentucky?
Answer: The Sears Tower.
Question: What is the tallest building in Chicago when you're in
Kuala Lumpur?
Answer: The Sears Tower.
Is this clear?
Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
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| User: "Dirk Van de moortel" |
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| Title: Re: Pi |
14 Oct 2005 04:11:01 PM |
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"PD" <TheDraperFamily@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1129324124.097939.208860@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
mme...@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:
In article <1129318329.597405.309680@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "PD" <TheDraperFamily@gmail.com> writes:
Don1 wrote:
The value of pi is numerically greatest in a Euclidean plane.
Don
If you mean pi, the ratio of circumference to the diameter of a circle,
this is not true. In a plane in hyperbolic space, this ratio is larger
than that in a Euclidean space. You're probably only thinging of
positive curvature spaces, like the surface of the earth.
Sigh. Not again:-(
Pi is a mathematical *constant*. *****Period*****. It can be defined
in different ways but if you want a geometric definition, it is *not*
"the ratio of circumference to the diameter of a circle". No, it
is "the ratio of circumference to the diameter of a circle *in
Euclidean space*". Is this clear. In other spaces the ratio is in
general not constant but a function of the size of a circle, thus any
talk about it being larger or smaller is gibberish.
Sometimes I talk with Don in less than precise language, because he is
trying to bridge himself from the familiar to the scientific (with
great difficulty). You are right, which is why I said "If you mean...".
I also glossed over the bit about the size of the circle, which we
would have gotten to if he had asked me what the hell I was talking
about, as he sometimes does.
ah... you were there before I was :-)
Dirk Vdm
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Pi |
14 Oct 2005 04:28:31 PM |
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In article <1129324124.097939.208860@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "PD" <TheDraperFamily@gmail.com> writes:
mme...@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:
In article <1129318329.597405.309680@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "PD" <TheDraperFamily@gmail.com> writes:
Don1 wrote:
The value of pi is numerically greatest in a Euclidean plane.
Don
If you mean pi, the ratio of circumference to the diameter of a circle,
this is not true. In a plane in hyperbolic space, this ratio is larger
than that in a Euclidean space. You're probably only thinging of
positive curvature spaces, like the surface of the earth.
Sigh. Not again:-(
Pi is a mathematical *constant*. *****Period*****. It can be defined
in different ways but if you want a geometric definition, it is *not*
"the ratio of circumference to the diameter of a circle". No, it
is "the ratio of circumference to the diameter of a circle *in
Euclidean space*". Is this clear. In other spaces the ratio is in
general not constant but a function of the size of a circle, thus any
talk about it being larger or smaller is gibberish.
Sometimes I talk with Don in less than precise language, because he is
trying to bridge himself from the familiar to the scientific (with
great difficulty).
Well, I admire your patience and perseverence, I gave up on him a long
time ago. Frankly, I don't quite believe that he's trying to get
anywhere but, hey, that's your time and effort:-)
You are right, which is why I said "If you mean...".
True, I should've noticed it. Sorry.
I also glossed over the bit about the size of the circle, which we
would have gotten to if he had asked me what the hell I was talking
about, as he sometimes does.
More often then "sometimes", but I've never seen any of the answers
sinking in. Oh, well.
Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
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| User: "PD" |
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| Title: Re: Pi |
14 Oct 2005 04:33:18 PM |
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wrote:
In article <1129324124.097939.208860@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "PD" <TheDraperFamily@gmail.com> writes:
wrote:
In article <1129318329.597405.309680@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "PD" <TheDraperFamily@gmail.com> writes:
Don1 wrote:
The value of pi is numerically greatest in a Euclidean plane.
Don
If you mean pi, the ratio of circumference to the diameter of a circle,
this is not true. In a plane in hyperbolic space, this ratio is larger
than that in a Euclidean space. You're probably only thinging of
positive curvature spaces, like the surface of the earth.
Sigh. Not again:-(
Pi is a mathematical *constant*. *****Period*****. It can be defined
in different ways but if you want a geometric definition, it is *not*
"the ratio of circumference to the diameter of a circle". No, it
is "the ratio of circumference to the diameter of a circle *in
Euclidean space*". Is this clear. In other spaces the ratio is in
general not constant but a function of the size of a circle, thus any
talk about it being larger or smaller is gibberish.
Sometimes I talk with Don in less than precise language, because he is
trying to bridge himself from the familiar to the scientific (with
great difficulty).
Well, I admire your patience and perseverence, I gave up on him a long
time ago. Frankly, I don't quite believe that he's trying to get
anywhere but, hey, that's your time and effort:-)
You are right, which is why I said "If you mean...".
True, I should've noticed it. Sorry.
Not necessary, no offense taken, and your post was on point.
I also glossed over the bit about the size of the circle, which we
would have gotten to if he had asked me what the hell I was talking
about, as he sometimes does.
More often then "sometimes", but I've never seen any of the answers
sinking in. Oh, well.
Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Pi |
14 Oct 2005 08:09:21 PM |
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PD wrote:
mme...@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:
In article <1129318329.597405.309680@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "PD" <TheDraperFamily@gmail.com> writes:
Don1 wrote:
The value of pi is numerically greatest in a Euclidean plane.
Don
If you mean pi, the ratio of circumference to the diameter of a circle,
this is not true. In a plane in hyperbolic space, this ratio is larger
than that in a Euclidean space. You're probably only thinging of
positive curvature spaces, like the surface of the earth.
Sigh. Not again:-(
Pi is a mathematical *constant*. *****Period*****. It can be defined
in different ways but if you want a geometric definition, it is *not*
"the ratio of circumference to the diameter of a circle". No, it
is "the ratio of circumference to the diameter of a circle *in
Euclidean space*". Is this clear. In other spaces the ratio is in
general not constant but a function of the size of a circle, thus any
talk about it being larger or smaller is gibberish.
Sometimes I talk with Don in less than precise language, because he is
trying to bridge himself from the familiar to the scientific (with
great difficulty). You are right, which is why I said "If you mean...".
I also glossed over the bit about the size of the circle, which we
would have gotten to if he had asked me what the hell I was talking
about, as he sometimes does.
Seems that "Don" has not replied to anything here...
Question: What is the tallest building in Chicago?
Answer: The Sears Tower
Question: What is the tallest building in Chicago when you're in
Podunk, Kentucky?
Answer: The Sears Tower.
Question: What is the tallest building in Chicago when you're in
Kuala Lumpur?
Answer: The Sears Tower.
Is this clear?
Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
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| User: "brian a m stuckless" |
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| Title: Re: Pi |
14 Oct 2005 06:30:21 PM |
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Define "the SiZE of a circle" in GR gtr Tivity, Dimwit.!!
Are you claiming a BH event horizon's "(circumference)^2",
divided by pi, DOEs NOT equal the horizon "surface area"?
This is independent of diameter for ANY spacetime Tivity.
Cracked pot, trolls.!! (snicker.) brian a m stuckless
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mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:
In other spaces the ratio is in general not constant but
a function of the size of a circle, thus any talk about it
being larger or smaller is gibberish.
Cracked pot, troll.!!
Is this clear?
Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
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