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Pioneer 10 & 11 Spacecraft Deceleration Anomaly Revisited |
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Yes E^2 = energy/volume = pressure
but what E?
Reference:
Study of the Pioneer Anomaly:
A Problem Set Slava G. Turyshev,
Michael Martin Nieto,
and John D. Anderson
(Dated: February 24, 2005)
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/physics/0502123
TABLE IV: Error Budget: A Summary of Biases and
Uncertainties
Solar radiation pressure at many AU:
..03 (+/- .01) x 10^-8 cm/sec^2
is insignificant to observed deceleration of:
8.74 (+/- 1.33) x 10^-8 cm/sec^2
Actual pressure on Pioneer space craft in more in line
with vacuum energy
rho c^2
where
rho = ~6 x 10^-30 g/cm^2
corresponding to estimate of dark energy_matter density
Richard Saam
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28 Jun 2005 09:24:48 AM |
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On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 10:09:22 -0400, "sue jahn"
<susysewnshow@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/browse_frm/thread/33e1eb9917af7519/86c8eff2e8ecdddb?q=Pioneer+Anomaly&rnu
m=1&hl=en#86c8eff2e8ecdddb
Yes E^2 = energy/volume = pressure
but what E?
Reference:
Study of the Pioneer Anomaly:
A Problem Set Slava G. Turyshev,
Michael Martin Nieto,
and John D. Anderson
(Dated: February 24, 2005)
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/physics/0502123
TABLE IV: Error Budget: A Summary of Biases and
Uncertainties
Solar radiation pressure at many AU:
.03 (+/- .01) x 10^-8 cm/sec^2
is insignificant to observed deceleration of:
8.74 (+/- 1.33) x 10^-8 cm/sec^2
Actual pressure on Pioneer space craft in more in line
with vacuum energy
rho c^2
where
rho = ~6 x 10^-30 g/cm^2
corresponding to estimate of dark energy_matter density
Richard Saam
Sue, Richard or anyone:
It takes pressure gradient to exert a force on the craft, not pressure
alone. Pressure you calculate is 10^-9 Pa. Now what?
John Polasek
http://www.dualspace.net
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28 Jun 2005 11:58:20 AM |
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John C. Polasek wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 10:09:22 -0400, "sue jahn"
<susysewnshow@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/browse_frm/thread/33e1eb9917af7519/86c8eff2e8ecdddb?q=Pioneer+Anomaly&rnu
m=1&hl=en#86c8eff2e8ecdddb
Yes E^2 = energy/volume = pressure
but what E?
Reference:
Study of the Pioneer Anomaly:
A Problem Set Slava G. Turyshev,
Michael Martin Nieto,
and John D. Anderson
(Dated: February 24, 2005)
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/physics/0502123
TABLE IV: Error Budget: A Summary of Biases and
Uncertainties
Solar radiation pressure at many AU:
.03 (+/- .01) x 10^-8 cm/sec^2
is insignificant to observed deceleration of:
8.74 (+/- 1.33) x 10^-8 cm/sec^2
Actual pressure on Pioneer space craft in more in line
with vacuum energy
rho c^2
where
rho = ~6 x 10^-30 g/cm^2
corresponding to estimate of dark energy_matter density
Richard Saam
Sue, Richard or anyone:
It takes pressure gradient to exert a force on the craft, not pressure
alone. Pressure you calculate is 10^-9 Pa. Now what?
John Polasek
http://www.dualspace.net
F = M a = Cd Area rho c^2
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/physics/0502122
M = 241,000 g
a = 8.74 x 10^-8 cm/sec^2
c = 3.00E+10 cm/sec
Area is Pioneer cross section area (parabolic dish)
= (pi/4)(274)^2 cm^2 = 58,965 cm^2
Solve for Cd
Cd = 66.2 unitless
The Cross sectional area of Pioneer is actually greater
than the 274 cm parabolic dish considering the booms
and other extremities.
So Cd probably is less.
An argument can be made that Cd could be accounted for
by conventional fluid mechanical Reynold's number
calculations related to drag coefficient (Cd).
Richard Saam
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29 Jun 2005 10:56:50 AM |
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sue jahn wrote:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/browse_frm/thread/33e1eb9917af7519/86c8eff2e8ecdddb?q=Pioneer+Anomaly&rnu
m=1&hl=en#86c8eff2e8ecdddb
Yes E^2 = energy/volume = pressure
but what E?
Reference:
Study of the Pioneer Anomaly:
A Problem Set Slava G. Turyshev,
Michael Martin Nieto,
and John D. Anderson
(Dated: February 24, 2005)
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/physics/0502123
TABLE IV: Error Budget: A Summary of Biases and
Uncertainties
Solar radiation pressure at many AU:
.03 (+/- .01) x 10^-8 cm/sec^2
is insignificant to observed deceleration of:
8.74 (+/- 1.33) x 10^-8 cm/sec^2
Actual pressure on Pioneer space craft in more in line
with vacuum energy
rho c^2
where
rho = ~6 x 10^-30 g/cm^2
corresponding to estimate of dark energy_matter density
lets say space vacuum density
Richard Saam
F = M a = Cd Area rho c2
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/physics/0502122
M = 241,000 g
a = 8.74 x 10^-8 cm/sec2
c = 3.00E+10 cm/sec
Area is Pioneer cross section area
(parabolic dish radius R = 137 cm)
= pi R^2 cm^2 = 58,965 cm2
let rho = 6E-30 g/cc which is a value about 2/3 of
critical space density
(appropriate value for observed universe inflation)
rho =(3/(8*pi))*H^2/G = 9.56E-30 g/cc
where:
H = Hubble Constant 2.31E-18 /sec
or 71.23 km/sec/million parsec
G = Gravity Constant 6.674200E-08 cm^3 g^-1 sec^-2
Solve for Cd
F = M a = Cd Area rho c2
Cd = 66.2 unitless
Now in conventional fluid mechanics
http://www.ce.utexas.edu/prof/kinnas/319LAB/Lab/Lab%206-Dimensional%20Analysis/6-DimAnal.htm#Graph
Cd = 66.2 would indicate a system in the laminar range
and the applicability of Stokes' law.
http://www.cord.edu/faculty/ulnessd/legacy/fall1998/sonja/stokes.htm
F = M a =6 pi R n v
but for this analysis we say v = c so:
F = M a =6 pi R n c
where:
n = fluid visocity mc/A
or momentum transfer / A
solving for viscosity
n = 2.72E-16 g/(cm sec)
divide by c and
m/A = 9.08E-27 g/cm^2
A = 1.42E+03 cm^2
length = 37.73 cm
volume = 53701.22 cm^3
viscosity 2.72E-16 g/(cm sec)
m/area 9.08E-27 g/cm^2
area 1.42E+03 cm^2
length 37.73 cm
volume 53701.22 cm^3
mass in volume 3.22E-25 g
mass /me 353.71
This is a rather rough calculation
but it demonstrates that well designed
space craft
(of various shapes)
to follow Pioneer could find
valuable information about the space vacuum parameters.
Richard Saam
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30 Jun 2005 11:28:45 AM |
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In the field of waste water, drinking water and
sanitation there is the concept of orthokinetic
flocculation which is generally mathematically expressed by
shear = sqrt(Power/(viscosity x Volume))
Given a tank (with "Volume" cm^3)
filled with water
(with absolute "viscosity" g/(cm sec))
(momentum transferred per surface area)
and this water containing particles,
a "Power" (erg/sec)
(motor driven impeller)
is introduced to provide "shear" (/sec) (dv/dx)
within the water.
v2 -> Particle 2
/
/ ^
/ |
/ x
/
v1 -> Particle 1
Particle 1 and Particle 2 move at different velocities
in the shear (v2-v1)/delta_x or dv/dx
Proper selection of shear ensures that particles remain
suspended in the fluid and if they aggregate or remain
separate.
It is interesting to note that shear (dv/dx) has units
of /time. This is the same unit as the Hubble constant
in cosmology.
Could the cosmos (volume) be observed as an
orthokinetic fluid medium with vacuum energy density
having a viscosity
such that observed Hubble "shear" is congruent with
galactic mass distribution with the universe?
Richard Saam
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| User: "T Wake" |
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30 Jun 2005 01:40:32 PM |
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"Richard Saam" <rdsaam@att.net> wrote in message
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It is interesting to note that shear (dv/dx) has units of /time. This is
the same unit as the Hubble constant in cosmology.
The Hubble "constant" has complicated units, not simply time^-1 (and may not
be a constant).
For example a good "estimate" of its current value is 70 km s^-1 Mpc^-1
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30 Jun 2005 02:42:10 PM |
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T Wake wrote:
"Richard Saam" <rdsaam@att.net> wrote in message
news:15Vwe.1055196$w62.824973@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
It is interesting to note that shear (dv/dx) has units of /time. This is
the same unit as the Hubble constant in cosmology.
The Hubble "constant" has complicated units, not simply time^-1 (and may not
be a constant).
Local variation would be expected
something like eddies in the flow.
For example a good "estimate" of its current value is 70 km s^-1 Mpc^-1
I should have been more clear on this
I will use
71.23 km s^-1 Mpc^-1
which dimensionally is:
v (km s^-1) / x (million parsec)
or
2.31E-18 s^-1
1 Parsec = 3.08568025E18 cm
Richard Saam
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| User: "John C. Polasek" |
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01 Jul 2005 08:06:02 AM |
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On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 19:42:10 GMT, Richard Saam <rdsaam@att.net> wrote:
T Wake wrote:
"Richard Saam" <rdsaam@att.net> wrote in message
news:15Vwe.1055196$w62.824973@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
It is interesting to note that shear (dv/dx) has units of /time. This is
the same unit as the Hubble constant in cosmology.
The Hubble "constant" has complicated units, not simply time^-1 (and may not
be a constant).
Local variation would be expected
something like eddies in the flow.
For example a good "estimate" of its current value is 70 km s^-1 Mpc^-1
I should have been more clear on this
I will use
71.23 km s^-1 Mpc^-1
which dimensionally is:
v (km s^-1) / x (million parsec)
or
2.31E-18 s^-1
1 Parsec = 3.08568025E18 cm
Richard Saam
There is numerology, and there is algebrology, and this is the latter.
Hubble is more easily identified as H = (da0/dt)/a0 where a0 is a
measure of the radius of the univers and Hubble is the relative rate
of expansion. I don't think the concept is flocculable.
But answer me this: how come adding alum to an algae filled swimming
pool will cause the algae to flocculate and settle in a couple of days
instead of never?
John Polasek
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01 Jul 2005 09:32:10 AM |
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John C. Polasek wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 19:42:10 GMT, Richard Saam <rdsaam@att.net> wrote:
T Wake wrote:
"Richard Saam" <rdsaam@att.net> wrote in message
news:15Vwe.1055196$w62.824973@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
It is interesting to note that shear (dv/dx) has units of /time. This is
the same unit as the Hubble constant in cosmology.
The Hubble "constant" has complicated units, not simply time^-1 (and may not
be a constant).
Local variation would be expected
something like eddies in the flow.
For example a good "estimate" of its current value is 70 km s^-1 Mpc^-1
I should have been more clear on this
I will use
71.23 km s^-1 Mpc^-1
which dimensionally is:
v (km s^-1) / x (million parsec)
or
2.31E-18 s^-1
1 Parsec = 3.08568025E18 cm
Richard Saam
There is numerology, and there is algebrology, and this is the latter.
Hubble is more easily identified as H = (da0/dt)/a0 where a0 is a
measure of the radius of the univers and Hubble is the relative rate
of expansion. I don't think the concept is flocculable.
see my other response for the possibility that concept
pertains to any volume segment withing Universe.
But answer me this: how come adding alum to an algae filled swimming
pool will cause the algae to flocculate and settle in a couple of days
instead of never?
John Polasek
Oh, I can answer an engineering question:
Principle of Overflow rate
particle settling velocity (vs) = flowrate(Q) / Area(A)
That is if there is flow(Q) into and out of the pool
with surface area A.
vs = g (delta rho) D^2 / mu
Stokes' law unhindered settling for discrete particles
delta rho = density difference between particle and water.
D = particle diameter
mu = water velocity.
Effect is enhanced by putting plates in the tank each
contributing to A as cos(plate surface area)
Concept particularly applicable to oily waste water.
Here shear really becomes important
because oil drops are deformable with shear.
A delicate balance between shear and settling
with coalescing in between.
Cosmology must have experienced shear, coalescing and
settling (gravitational effects) (probably at some
stage of inflation) to achieve present particle
(galactic) distribution.
Richard Saam
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02 Jul 2005 02:25:34 AM |
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"Richard Saam"
Cosmology must have experienced shear, coalescing and
settling (gravitational effects) (probably at some
stage of inflation) to achieve present particle
(galactic) distribution.
Richard Saam
Very perceptive. The initial ripples in dark energy or dark matter may
have induced subsequent and similar non-uniform distribution of of boson
matter, or what I call the "real stuff.".
Cosmic ripples
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4161323.stm
Supercomputer models of galactic macro-evolution are more accurate in
their prediction when dark energy's effects are added to the algorithms.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4422555.stm
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04 Jul 2005 09:18:42 AM |
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Yes, perceptive,
but obvious if you look at biological floc
in the actvated sludge process
http://www.environmentalleverage.com/microscopic%20analyses.htm
and understand the "shear" process
under which it is formed
The visual similarity to galactic distribution is amazing.
Richard Saam
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| User: "John C. Polasek" |
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30 Jun 2005 01:33:51 PM |
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On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:28:45 GMT, Richard Saam <rdsaam@att.net> wrote:
In the field of waste water, drinking water and
sanitation there is the concept of orthokinetic
flocculation which is generally mathematically expressed by
shear = sqrt(Power/(viscosity x Volume))
Given a tank (with "Volume" cm^3)
filled with water
(with absolute "viscosity" g/(cm sec))
(momentum transferred per surface area)
and this water containing particles,
a "Power" (erg/sec)
(motor driven impeller)
is introduced to provide "shear" (/sec) (dv/dx)
within the water.
v2 -> Particle 2
/
/ ^
/ |
/ x
/
v1 -> Particle 1
Particle 1 and Particle 2 move at different velocities
in the shear (v2-v1)/delta_x or dv/dx
Proper selection of shear ensures that particles remain
suspended in the fluid and if they aggregate or remain
separate.
It is interesting to note that shear (dv/dx) has units
of /time. This is the same unit as the Hubble constant
in cosmology.
No, its closest analogy is to angular velocity and rotation 1/t.
Could the cosmos (volume) be observed as an
orthokinetic fluid medium with vacuum energy density
having a viscosity
such that observed Hubble "shear" is congruent with
galactic mass distribution with the universe?
Richard Saam
John Polasek
http://www.dualspace.net
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01 Jul 2005 01:30:35 AM |
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John C. Polasek wrote:
It is interesting to note that shear (dv/dx) has units
of /time. This is the same unit as the Hubble constant
in cosmology.
No, its closest analogy is to angular velocity and rotation 1/t.
He still hasn't explained what the four elephants are standing on.
I'm betting they are standing on the back of Gamera and walking in a
circle; since Gamera spins as he flies, this solves the "What's Gamera
standing on then?" day and night cycle, and seasons of the year problems
simultaneously.
The retrograde motion of Mars? Well, every time Gamera faces toward the
giant Legion insect, it retreats in terror.
Nothing could be simpler or more logical. :-)
Pat
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01 Jul 2005 01:40:03 AM |
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"Pat Flannery" <flanner@daktel.com> wrote in message
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John C. Polasek wrote:
It is interesting to note that shear (dv/dx) has units of /time. This is
the same unit as the Hubble constant in cosmology.
No, its closest analogy is to angular velocity and rotation 1/t.
He still hasn't explained what the four elephants are standing on.
Great A'Tuin, the giant turtle. Geez.
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02 Jul 2005 10:03:55 PM |
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Neil Gerace wrote:
He still hasn't explained what the four elephants are standing on.
Great A'Tuin, the giant turtle. Geez.
But then the turtle has to stand on something; Gamera is a giant flying
turtle that can even fly in outer space, due to the fact that it is
rocket propelled.
Pat
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03 Jul 2005 07:48:35 AM |
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"Pat Flannery" <flanner@daktel.com> wrote in message
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Neil Gerace wrote:
Great A'Tuin, the giant turtle. Geez.
But then the turtle has to stand on something; Gamera is a giant flying
turtle that can even fly in outer space, due to the fact that it is rocket
propelled.
Hey, I'm in the Southern Hemisphere and can see him. He don't need no
steenking rockets :)
(Source: Terry Pratchett's "The Colour of Magic" :) )
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01 Jul 2005 07:42:25 AM |
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John C. Polasek wrote:
snip
It is interesting to note that shear (dv/dx) has units
of /time. This is the same unit as the Hubble constant
in cosmology.
No, its closest analogy is to angular velocity and rotation 1/t.
Could the cosmos (volume) be observed as an
orthokinetic fluid medium with vacuum energy density
having a viscosity
such that observed Hubble "shear" is congruent with
galactic mass distribution with the universe?
Richard Saam
John Polasek
http://www.dualspace.net
OK I will restate the approach:
In the field of waste water, drinking water and
sanitation there is the concept of orthokinetic
flocculation which is generally mathematically expressed by
shear = sqrt(Power/(viscosity x Volume))
This applies to any geometric form but for this
discusion assume a circular tank.
Given a circular tank (with "Volume" cm3)
filled with water
(with absolute "viscosity" g/(cm sec))
(momentum transferred per surface area)
and this water containing particles,
a "Power" (erg/sec)
(motor driven impeller)
is introduced to provide "shear" (/sec) (dv/dr)
within the water.
v2 -> Particle 2
/
/ ^
/ |
/ r
/
v1 -> Particle 1
Particle 1 and Particle 2 move at different velocities
in the shear (v2-v1)/delta_r or dv/dr
In terms of r, there may be a (2 pi) factor required,
but the orthokinetic concept would still be applicable
and would be analagous to commercially available fluid
vortex tubes.
Proper selection of shear ensures that particles remain
suspended in the fluid and if they aggregate or remain
separate.
It is interesting to note that shear (dv/dr) has units
of /time. This is the same unit as the Hubble constant
in cosmology.
Could the cosmos (volume) be observed as an
orthokinetic fluid medium with vacuum energy density
having a viscosity
such that observed Hubble "shear" is congruent with
galactic mass distribution with the universe?
As an added note, volume can refer to any volume
segment. For instance, the ortho kinetic concept
is applicable to any volume segment in a large mixing
tank and in case of the universe would be applicable to
any volume segment of galaxies with intervening space
and would not be dependent on whether the Universe is
finite or infinite in extent or dependent on any
particular boundary condition (Only the Hubble constant
within that volume).
As for the actual Hubble constant
71.23 km s^-1 Mpc^-1
which dimensionally is:
v (km s^-1) / x (million parsec)
or
2.31E-18 s^-1
1 Parsec = 3.08568025E18 cm
Hubble constant =2.31E-18 s^-1
=2.31E-18 (feet s^-1)/feet
=2.31E-18 (mile s^-1)/mile
=2.31E-18 (inch s^-1)/inch
=2.31E-18 (cubit s^-1)/cubit
=2.31E-18 (furlong s^-1)/furlong
=2.31E-18 (parsec s^-1)/parsec
=2.31E-18 (km s^-1)/km
The value to keep particles in suspension for the water
treatment application is about 50 s^-1.
Richard Saam
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01 Jul 2005 02:30:16 PM |
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On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 12:42:25 GMT, Richard Saam <rdsaam@att.net> wrote:
<SNIP>
....Would you junior Mr. Wizards kindly remove sci.space.history from
the headers of this thread? We've AbZero interest in this.
Thanks.
OM
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01 Jul 2005 08:05:45 PM |
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Not Pioneering enough, oh Voyager from UT?
/dps
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30 Jun 2005 11:52:22 AM |
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Richard Saam wrote:
It is interesting to note that shear (dv/dx) has units of /time. This
is the same unit as the Hubble constant in cosmology.
Could the cosmos (volume) be observed as an orthokinetic fluid medium
with vacuum energy density having a viscosity
such that observed Hubble "shear" is congruent with galactic mass
distribution with the universe?
Explain again how this lets us know that the universe is in the shape of
a banana. ;-)
Arthur
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| User: "Neil Gerace" |
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30 Jun 2005 11:58:16 AM |
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"Pat Flannery" <flanner@daktel.com> wrote in message
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Explain again how this lets us know that the universe is in the shape of a
banana. ;-)
Arthur
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| User: "Wilson" |
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11 Jul 2005 05:36:28 PM |
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On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:52:22 -0500, Pat Flannery <flanner@daktel.com> wrote:
Richard Saam wrote:
It is interesting to note that shear (dv/dx) has units of /time. This
is the same unit as the Hubble constant in cosmology.
Could the cosmos (volume) be observed as an orthokinetic fluid medium
with vacuum energy density having a viscosity
such that observed Hubble "shear" is congruent with galactic mass
distribution with the universe?
Explain again how this lets us know that the universe is in the shape of
a banana. ;-)
Arthur
How is it that Sue Jahn used the signature 'Richard Saam' and Pat Flannery the
signaure 'Arthur'?
When you change your name, you should always remember to change your signature
as well.
HW.
www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm
Sometimes I feel like a complete failure.
The most useful thing I have ever done is prove Einstein wrong.
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| User: "Peter Stickney" |
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| Title: Re: Orthokinetic Aggregation and Cosmology |
11 Jul 2005 08:10:57 PM |
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Henri Wilson wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:52:22 -0500, Pat Flannery
<flanner@daktel.com> wrote:
Arthur
HW.
www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm
It seems that the French have been importing German Senses of Humor
again.
--
Pete Stickney
Java Man knew nothing about coffee.
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| User: "Pat Flannery" |
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| Title: Re: Orthokinetic Aggregation and Cosmology |
11 Jul 2005 09:00:32 PM |
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Henri Wilson wrote:
Explain again how this lets us know that the universe is in the shape of
a banana. ;-)
Arthur
How is it that Sue Jahn used the signature 'Richard Saam' and Pat Flannery the
signaure 'Arthur'?
When you change your name, you should always remember to change your signature
as well.
Ni! Ni! :-)
Sir Percival
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