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13 Apr 2006 01:29:42 AM |
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plane jump |
Has anyone ever jumped out of a flying plane without a parachute and
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13 Apr 2006 01:31:36 AM |
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In article <1144909782.764823.280300@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>, writes:
Has anyone ever jumped out of a flying plane without a parachute and
lived?
As I recall, there were few such cases during WWII.
Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
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13 Apr 2006 01:35:04 AM |
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wrote:
In article <1144909782.764823.280300@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>, writes:
Has anyone ever jumped out of a flying plane without a parachute and
lived?
As I recall, there were few such cases during WWII.
Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
They fell into... the ocean? Mud?
I recall a stewardess in Russia survived when her plane blew up by a
bomb... she was in the back of the plane, she fell in a snowbank, was
unconscious when they found her... set a world record for surviving
based on altitude, I think.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: plane jump |
13 Apr 2006 02:40:33 AM |
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In article <1144910104.305659.205330@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, writes:
mme...@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:
In article <1144909782.764823.280300@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>, writes:
Has anyone ever jumped out of a flying plane without a parachute and
lived?
As I recall, there were few such cases during WWII.
Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
They fell into... the ocean? Mud?
The cases I recall involved one falling into the ocean, one itno a
haystack and one into a fir forest (thin and sloping branches breaking
the fall). Could be few more.
I recall a stewardess in Russia survived when her plane blew up by a
bomb... she was in the back of the plane, she fell in a snowbank, was
unconscious when they found her... set a world record for surviving
based on altitude, I think.
Yes, I remember hearing about this one as well.
Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: plane jump |
13 Apr 2006 02:57:00 AM |
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wrote:
In article <1144910104.305659.205330@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, writes:
mme...@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:
In article <1144909782.764823.280300@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>, writes:
Has anyone ever jumped out of a flying plane without a parachute and
lived?
As I recall, there were few such cases during WWII.
Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
They fell into... the ocean? Mud?
The cases I recall involved one falling into the ocean, one itno a
haystack and one into a fir forest (thin and sloping branches breaking
the fall). Could be few more.
I recall a stewardess in Russia survived when her plane blew up by a
bomb... she was in the back of the plane, she fell in a snowbank, was
unconscious when they found her... set a world record for surviving
based on altitude, I think.
Yes, I remember hearing about this one as well.
Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
Vesna Vulovic.
http://www.greenharbor.com/fffolder/carkeet.html
Remember... molecules are your friends!
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: plane jump |
13 Apr 2006 03:17:34 AM |
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In article <1144915019.958377.143390@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, writes:
mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:
In article <1144910104.305659.205330@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, writes:
mme...@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:
In article <1144909782.764823.280300@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>, writes:
Has anyone ever jumped out of a flying plane without a parachute and
lived?
As I recall, there were few such cases during WWII.
Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
They fell into... the ocean? Mud?
The cases I recall involved one falling into the ocean, one itno a
haystack and one into a fir forest (thin and sloping branches breaking
the fall). Could be few more.
I recall a stewardess in Russia survived when her plane blew up by a
bomb... she was in the back of the plane, she fell in a snowbank, was
unconscious when they found her... set a world record for surviving
based on altitude, I think.
Yes, I remember hearing about this one as well.
Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
Vesna Vulovic.
http://www.greenharbor.com/fffolder/carkeet.html
Remember... molecules are your friends!
The right molecules, at the right time, doing the right thing.
Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
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| User: "CWatters" |
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13 Apr 2006 02:36:51 AM |
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http://www.greenharbor.com/fffolder/ffallers.html
The Free Fallers are the most amazing stories of all. They didn't deploy a
parachute. They didn't cling to aircraft wreckage. They just fell. All were
World War II airmen. Lt. I.M. Chisov, Sgt. Alan Magee, and Sgt. Nicholas
Alkemade all fell at least 18,000 feet.
There are some other examples of airmen who fell significant distances and
survived (see Other Amazing Stories), but none of those airmen fell nearly
as far as these three. Chisov, Magee, and Alkemade are in a class by
themselves.
Notable Free Fallers I.M. Chisov Lt. I.M. Chisov was a Russian airman whose
Ilyushin IL-4 bomber was attacked by German fighters in January of 1942.
Falling nearly 22,000 feet, he hit the edge of a snow-covered ravine and
rolled to the bottom. He was badly hurt but survived.
Alan Magee Alan Magee, a gunner on a B-17 with the 303rd Bomb Group of the
U.S. 8th Air Force, was on a mission to St. Nazaire, France in January of
1943, when his bomber was set aflame by enemy fire. He was thrown from the
plane before he had a chance to put on his parachute. He fell 20,000 feet
and crashed through the skylight of the St. Nazaire train station. His arm
was badly injured, but he recovered from that and other injuries.
Nicholas Alkemade In March of 1944, Nicholas Alkemade was the tail gunner in
a British Lancaster bomber on a night mission to Berlin when his plane was
attacked by German fighters. When the captain ordered the crew to bail out,
Alkemade looked back into the plane and discovered that his parachute was in
flames. He chose to jump without a parachute rather than to stay in the
burning plane. He fell 18,000 feet, landing in trees, underbrush, and
drifted snow. He twisted his knee and had some cuts, but was otherwise
alright.
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| User: "CWatters" |
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13 Apr 2006 02:39:05 AM |
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It's worth pointing out that the human body has a terminal velocity so it
makes little difference if you fall from 2,000 or 20,000 feet. Execpt you
have more time to worry about/enjoy it.
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| User: "CWatters" |
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| Title: Re: plane jump |
13 Apr 2006 02:45:45 AM |
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I recall someone once asked if it would be possible to make a slide to catch
a freefaller. eg one that was vertical at the top and horizontal at the
bottom. I did the sums assumming a circular slide, a certain terminal
velocity and a maximium of around 3g... and it seems it wouldn't need to be
that big. Just a few hundred feet tall if I remember correctly.
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| User: "" |
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13 Apr 2006 03:09:47 AM |
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In article <Jkn%f.369843$BT4.10869877@phobos.telenet-ops.be>, "CWatters" <colin.watters@pandoraBOX.be> writes:
I recall someone once asked if it would be possible to make a slide to catch
a freefaller. eg one that was vertical at the top and horizontal at the
bottom. I did the sums assumming a circular slide, a certain terminal
velocity and a maximium of around 3g... and it seems it wouldn't need to be
that big. Just a few hundred feet tall if I remember correctly.
Hmm, if so you can make it smaller yet since the 3g requirement is far
on the gentle side. Human body can easily take 10-12 g for a brief
time.
Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
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| User: "Helmut Wabnig" |
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13 Apr 2006 02:38:18 AM |
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On 12 Apr 2006 23:29:42 -0700, wrote:
Has anyone ever jumped out of a flying plane without a parachute and
lived?
http://www.greenharbor.com/fffolder/ffresearch.html
w.
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| User: "Timo Nieminen" |
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14 Apr 2006 01:43:25 AM |
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On Thu, 12 Apr 2006 wrote:
Has anyone ever jumped out of a flying plane without a parachute and
lived?
Apart from the examples others have given, it's also been done
deliberately in large numbers. Supposedly, in one of the first combat
operations for Soviet parachute forces, they jumped without parachutes.
Slowest possible airspeed, low altitude, and deep snow. Some, even many,
casualties from the jump, but probably far more from the enemy. (Even with
parachutes, and no significant opposition from the enemy, jump casualties
could be heavy. For example, when jumping onto an airfield covered with
broken aircraft and assorted rubble and pointy bits.)
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Timo Nieminen - Home page: http://www.physics.uq.edu.au/people/nieminen/
E-prints: http://eprint.uq.edu.au/view/person/Nieminen,_Timo_A..html
Shrine to Spirits: http://www.users.bigpond.com/timo_nieminen/spirits.html
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: plane jump |
14 Apr 2006 11:56:01 AM |
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why did the Soviet parachute forces jump out without parachutes?
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| User: "Timo Nieminen" |
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14 Apr 2006 03:29:10 PM |
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On Sat, 14 Apr 2006 wrote:
why did the Soviet parachute forces jump out without parachutes?
Probably at least one of: not enough parachutes available, soldiers not
yet trained to use parachutes, stupidity, low-altitude jumping into snow
more likely to surprise enemy.
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Timo Nieminen - Home page: http://www.physics.uq.edu.au/people/nieminen/
E-prints: http://eprint.uq.edu.au/view/person/Nieminen,_Timo_A..html
Shrine to Spirits: http://www.users.bigpond.com/timo_nieminen/spirits.html
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| User: "Edward Green" |
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14 Apr 2006 10:48:14 PM |
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Timo Nieminen wrote:
On Sat, 14 Apr 2006 wrote:
why did the Soviet parachute forces jump out without parachutes?
Probably at least one of: not enough parachutes available, soldiers not
yet trained to use parachutes, stupidity, low-altitude jumping into snow
more likely to surprise enemy.
That kind of thinking would be consonant with the episode portrayed in
the movie "Enemy at the Gates", about the siege of Stalingrad, when
rifles are being distributed to fresh arrivals, one to every second
soldier: "The one with the rifle shoots! The one without the rifle
follows him! When the one with the rifle dies, the one without the
rifle picks up the rifle and shoots!"
In a desperate country under invasion, with inadequate supplies, a
history of mass executions by the government, but plenty of people,
just about any scheme with even the smallest possibility of sucess is
destined to be tried.
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| User: "Timo Nieminen" |
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14 Apr 2006 11:39:57 PM |
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On Sat, 14 Apr 2006, Edward Green wrote:
Timo Nieminen wrote:
On Sat, 14 Apr 2006 wrote:
why did the Soviet parachute forces jump out without parachutes?
Probably at least one of: not enough parachutes available, soldiers not
yet trained to use parachutes, stupidity, low-altitude jumping into snow
more likely to surprise enemy.
That kind of thinking would be consonant with the episode portrayed in
the movie "Enemy at the Gates", about the siege of Stalingrad, when
rifles are being distributed to fresh arrivals, one to every second
soldier: "The one with the rifle shoots! The one without the rifle
follows him! When the one with the rifle dies, the one without the
rifle picks up the rifle and shoots!"
In a desperate country under invasion, with inadequate supplies, a
history of mass executions by the government, but plenty of people,
just about any scheme with even the smallest possibility of sucess is
destined to be tried.
Indeed. For example, they restored shoulder-boards and special powers for
officers. Stalin even let the generals make important decisions.
The jumping incident, iirc, was during the German attack on Moscow.
Desperate times, indeed. The jump and the fighting that followed were
perhaps no more dangerous than fighting elsewhere. Certainly safer than
refusing to jump.
Enemy at the Gates might have been a bit exaggerated in parts, but the
incident is plausible. For a while, they couldn't get reinforcements
across the Volga. When they did, the first units across took 90%
casualties in their first 24 hours in the city.
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Timo Nieminen - Home page: http://www.physics.uq.edu.au/people/nieminen/
E-prints: http://eprint.uq.edu.au/view/person/Nieminen,_Timo_A..html
Shrine to Spirits: http://www.users.bigpond.com/timo_nieminen/spirits.html
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