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18 Jan 2004 06:56:41 PM |
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Plane will skip to Tokyo in 2 hrs |
Apparently this plane will fly to 45000 ft and then the
engines will cut out and it will fall to earth and then the restart at
a lower altitude and it will gain energy and fly up again . Is it
using the earth's rotation like the Galileo craft did to get to
Jupiter.
So if it can do that why cant it do use the earth's energy to
get to Tokyo , hey Uncle ?
India aims to fly hypersonic plane in 2007
Press Trust of India
Bangalore, January 1
Indian defence scientists are aiming to fly an indigenous "hypersonic
plane" in 2007, designed to cruise three times faster than existing
fighter aircraft by consuming lesser fuel.
An eight-metre technology demonstrator is being built by the
Hyderabad-based Defence Research and Development Laboratory (DRDL)
which will be powered by a Supersonic combustion ramjet (Scramjet)
engine, that takes oxygen from the atmosphere and burns liquid
hydrogen.
"The ground tests of the engine would begin next year and we aim to
fly the unmanned aircraft in 2007", DRDL Director Prahlada said in
Bangalore.
The aircraft would be integrated in India's aviation capital Bangalore
and Hyderabad, he said.
The supersonic combustion ramjet or scramjet engine fired-hyper plane
is a high speed transport aircraft that could reduce the flight time
by hours because of the weight factor and the engine that does not
have a compressor or a turbine.
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| User: "matts sludge" |
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18 Jan 2004 10:11:47 PM |
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"Habshi" <habshi@anony.com> wrote in message
news:400b29d6.744520@news.clara.net...
Apparently this plane will fly to 45000 ft and then the
engines will cut out and it will fall to earth and then the restart at
a lower altitude and it will gain energy and fly up again . Is it
using the earth's rotation like the Galileo craft did to get to
Jupiter.
So if it can do that why cant it do use the earth's energy to
get to Tokyo , hey Uncle ?
India aims to fly hypersonic plane in 2007
Press Trust of India
Bangalore, January 1
Now......let's be real here folks........
Would YOU get inside of a hollow metal tube
and fly into the Exosphere at 3000+ MPH in an
"airplane" that was built, designed, and flown by
cow worshiping, heathen curry-heads that speak
English almost as well as Michael Jackson is capable
of carrying on a normal conversation...?
Be honest now! : )
(there's really got 2-B something in that curry you know.....)
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| User: "Phil Holman" |
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18 Jan 2004 07:40:29 PM |
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"Habshi" <habshi@anony.com> wrote in message
news:400b29d6.744520@news.clara.net...
Apparently this plane will fly to 45000 ft and then the
engines will cut out and it will fall to earth and then the restart at
a lower altitude and it will gain energy and fly up again . Is it
using the earth's rotation like the Galileo craft did to get to
Jupiter.
So if it can do that why cant it do use the earth's energy to
get to Tokyo , hey Uncle ?
Work is done against the air (drag) which is fortunately moving close to
the tangential velocity of the earth.(Some benefit is gained from the
jet-stream when traveling in the same direction). It's not like we can
hover (sky hooks) and wait for our destination to appear beneath us.
Your suggestion is even more incorrect for longitudinal travel.
Phil Holman
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| User: "harmony" |
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20 Jan 2004 12:52:09 PM |
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"Phil Holman" <philjud@earthlink.not> wrote in message
news:hAGOb.16228$1e.13207@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
"Habshi" <habshi@anony.com> wrote in message
news:400b29d6.744520@news.clara.net...
Apparently this plane will fly to 45000 ft and then the
engines will cut out and it will fall to earth and then the restart at
a lower altitude and it will gain energy and fly up again . Is it
using the earth's rotation like the Galileo craft did to get to
Jupiter.
So if it can do that why cant it do use the earth's energy to
get to Tokyo , hey Uncle ?
Work is done against the air (drag) which is fortunately moving close to
the tangential velocity of the earth.(Some benefit is gained from the
jet-stream when traveling in the same direction). It's not like we can
hover (sky hooks) and wait for our destination to appear beneath us.
Your suggestion is even more incorrect for longitudinal travel.
Phil Holman
curious:
if you drop a rock from the very top, would it not fall a few feet off the
mark straight below (not accounting for wind effects)?
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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20 Jan 2004 01:11:18 PM |
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harmony wrote:
"Phil Holman" <philjud@earthlink.not> wrote in message
news:hAGOb.16228$1e.13207@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
"Habshi" <habshi@anony.com> wrote in message
news:400b29d6.744520@news.clara.net...
Apparently this plane will fly to 45000 ft and then the
engines will cut out and it will fall to earth and then the restart at
a lower altitude and it will gain energy and fly up again . Is it
using the earth's rotation like the Galileo craft did to get to
Jupiter.
So if it can do that why cant it do use the earth's energy to
get to Tokyo , hey Uncle ?
Work is done against the air (drag) which is fortunately moving close to
the tangential velocity of the earth.(Some benefit is gained from the
jet-stream when traveling in the same direction). It's not like we can
hover (sky hooks) and wait for our destination to appear beneath us.
Your suggestion is even more incorrect for longitudinal travel.
Phil Holman
curious:
if you drop a rock from the very top, would it not fall a few feet off the
mark straight below (not accounting for wind effects)?
Depends where you drop it - horizontal component of Coriolus force vs.
latitude. Note that sea level acceleration is about 980 cm/sec^2 and
the maximum horizontal Coriolus acceleration (at 44.95 degrees N or S
latitude) is 1.69 cm/sec^2. It requires miles of falling to be real
world meaningful - e.g., artillery shells (the first battle of the
Falkland Islands) and hurricanes.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" The Net!
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| User: "harmony" |
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21 Jan 2004 12:42:40 PM |
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"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:400D7D56.67400595@hate.spam.net...
harmony wrote:
"Phil Holman" <philjud@earthlink.not> wrote in message
news:hAGOb.16228$1e.13207@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
"Habshi" <habshi@anony.com> wrote in message
news:400b29d6.744520@news.clara.net...
Apparently this plane will fly to 45000 ft and then the
engines will cut out and it will fall to earth and then the restart
at
a lower altitude and it will gain energy and fly up again . Is it
using the earth's rotation like the Galileo craft did to get to
Jupiter.
So if it can do that why cant it do use the earth's energy to
get to Tokyo , hey Uncle ?
Work is done against the air (drag) which is fortunately moving close
to
the tangential velocity of the earth.(Some benefit is gained from the
jet-stream when traveling in the same direction). It's not like we can
hover (sky hooks) and wait for our destination to appear beneath us.
Your suggestion is even more incorrect for longitudinal travel.
Phil Holman
curious:
if you drop a rock from the very top, would it not fall a few feet off
the
mark straight below (not accounting for wind effects)?
Depends where you drop it - horizontal component of Coriolus force vs.
latitude. Note that sea level acceleration is about 980 cm/sec^2 and
the maximum horizontal Coriolus acceleration (at 44.95 degrees N or S
latitude) is 1.69 cm/sec^2. It requires miles of falling to be real
world meaningful - e.g., artillery shells (the first battle of the
Falkland Islands) and hurricanes.
thanks uncle al.
Just looking for a feel of number. would it off by 5ft, 10 ft, 20ft at 44.95
deg N? how many miles from earth surface is it when garvity begins to kick
in?
would appreciate if you can help me understand what factors determine this
coriolous aceleration.
Is there any organization, such as NASA, entrusted with determining its
value experimentally at different locations on earth?
go easy on me. mercy!!!.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" The Net!
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| User: "Robert J. Kolker" |
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21 Jan 2004 01:08:48 PM |
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harmony wrote:
thanks uncle al.
Just looking for a feel of number. would it off by 5ft, 10 ft, 20ft at 44.95
deg N? how many miles from earth surface is it when garvity begins to kick
in?
Gravity is -always- kicked in. It does not work as depicted in the -Road
Runner- cartoons where Wylie Coyote walks off the cliff horizontally
then all of a sudden gravity kicks in (usually just when he discovers
there is nothing under his feet to hold him up). Matter is always
coupled to the gravitational field.
Bob Kolker
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| User: "harmony" |
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22 Jan 2004 12:24:47 PM |
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"Robert J. Kolker" <bobkolker@NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote in message
news:47APb.115773$I06.807440@attbi_s01...
harmony wrote:
thanks uncle al.
Just looking for a feel of number. would it off by 5ft, 10 ft, 20ft at
44.95
deg N? how many miles from earth surface is it when garvity begins to
kick
in?
Gravity is -always- kicked in. It does not work as depicted in the -Road
Runner- cartoons where Wylie Coyote walks off the cliff horizontally
then all of a sudden gravity kicks in (usually just when he discovers
there is nothing under his feet to hold him up). Matter is always
coupled to the gravitational field.
doesn't there come a point when a thing gets past a certain distance away
from earth surface and weightlessness kicks in?
my othe point of curiosity is: is it possible for an object to remain
stationary in outer space instead of being in perpetual motion in order that
we can just hang in there and observe the universe go by?
Bob Kolker
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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22 Jan 2004 01:45:06 PM |
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harmony wrote:
"Robert J. Kolker" <bobkolker@NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote in message
news:47APb.115773$I06.807440@attbi_s01...
harmony wrote:
thanks uncle al.
Just looking for a feel of number. would it off by 5ft, 10 ft, 20ft at
44.95
deg N? how many miles from earth surface is it when garvity begins to
kick
in?
Gravity is -always- kicked in. It does not work as depicted in the -Road
Runner- cartoons where Wylie Coyote walks off the cliff horizontally
then all of a sudden gravity kicks in (usually just when he discovers
there is nothing under his feet to hold him up). Matter is always
coupled to the gravitational field.
doesn't there come a point when a thing gets past a certain distance away
from earth surface and weightlessness kicks in?
Yeah - infinity. You are confusing 1/r^2 distance fall off with free
fall, orbital or otherwise. Note that orbital free fall is trivially
distinguishable from linear free fall.
my othe point of curiosity is: is it possible for an object to remain
stationary in outer space instead of being in perpetual motion in order that
we can just hang in there and observe the universe go by?
Not even infinity. 4(pi) steradians of directions anywhere/anywhen in
the universe all point in rather than out. It's a feature rather than
a bug. Every point in the universe is exactly located at the center.
There is no reason to postulate even one point located at a zero net
acceleration location, plus massive observational and theoretical
support for its absence.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/eotvos.htm
(Do something naughty to physics)
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| User: "Robert J. Kolker" |
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22 Jan 2004 07:05:31 PM |
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harmony wrote:
doesn't there come a point when a thing gets past a certain distance away
from earth surface and weightlessness kicks in?
my othe point of curiosity is: is it possible for an object to remain
stationary in outer space instead of being in perpetual motion in order that
we can just hang in there and observe the universe go by?
Take a parabolic trajectory ride in an airforce C-130 (the Vomit Comet)
and you will be as weightless as can be for 30 to 40 seconds and you
never have to go about FL 400 (40,000 feet MSL).
Bob Kolker
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| User: "Mummud Amud" |
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23 Jan 2004 03:47:35 PM |
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"Robert J. Kolker" <bobkolker@NOSPAMcomcast.net>
harmony wrote:
doesn't there come a point when a thing gets past a certain distance away
from earth surface and weightlessness kicks in?
my othe point of curiosity is: is it possible for an object to remain
stationary in outer space instead of being in perpetual motion in order that
we can just hang in there and observe the universe go by?
Your trolls are getting more sophisticated. Why not
build one of the spaceships described in your Hindu
Vedas and verify this for yourself? You could be the
first fascist on Mars while you are about it.
Take a parabolic trajectory ride in an airforce C-130 (the Vomit Comet)
and you will be as weightless as can be for 30 to 40 seconds and you
never have to go about FL 400 (40,000 feet MSL).
He could also simply jump out of the window in order
to experience weightlessness, though unless supervised
he would probably choose the ground-floor.
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| User: "Habshi" |
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23 Jan 2004 04:39:18 PM |
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On 23 Jan 2004 13:47:35 -0800, (Mummud Amud) wrote:
Your trolls are getting more sophisticated. Why not
build one of the spaceships described in your Hindu
Vedas and verify this for yourself? <
At least the ancient Hindus had some imagination. Not like
your cruel non existent Allah , a robber who wants 20% of the loot
!(Quran ) and who orders women to wear ugly black tents over their
heads and has banned music , singing and dancing and anything else
that makes us human. Moron convert now back to Hinduism.
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| User: "Mummud Amud" |
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23 Jan 2004 10:10:20 PM |
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(Habshi) wrote in message news:<4011a241.4309246@news.clara.net>...
On 23 Jan 2004 13:47:35 -0800, (Mummud Amud) wrote:
Your trolls are getting more sophisticated. Why not
build one of the spaceships described in your Hindu
Vedas and verify this for yourself? <
At least the ancient Hindus had some imagination.
What do you mean 'imagination'? Are you suggesting the Vedas
is other than completely truthful?
Not like your cruel non existent Allah ,
Allah is no less existant than the creatures you worship, Shivoid.
a robber who wants 20% of the loot
!(Quran )
So what? Pradip wants 100% of the loot. How's that for greed?
and who orders women to wear ugly black tents over their
Worse than a ugly red nylon sari?
heads and has banned music ,
Women screeching in helium filled room for example...
singing and dancing and anything else
Didn't realise you were a disco fiend.
that makes us human.
The inhumanity of your culture is writ large in
the your religious writings. Ganesh, for example, a person created
from the filth of Parvati's corpus, merely so she wouldn't be disturbed
on the toilet (no toilet doors having been invented in your heaven).
Next, an enraged Shiva strikes off the head of this unfortunate
because he wants to peek at Parvati, and
it is replaced by that of a north-facing elephant. What total BS.
It is more like a soap-opera than an epic, and is plainly nothing
more than a grotesque human artifact, full of spite and nastiness.
And what about the bloody elephant?
Moron convert now back to Hinduism.
Convert back to humanity, ill-educated follower-of-demons.
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| User: "Habshi" |
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24 Jan 2004 08:16:37 AM |
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you fool , Hindus enjoy their myths just as Europeans perfom
plays based on greek gods , non existent . Yes Hindus admit their gods
and goddesses dont exist and are just forces of nature .
Now do you have the courage to say Allah does not exist and is
too cruel for worship?
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| User: "Mummud Amud" |
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24 Jan 2004 08:59:12 PM |
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(Habshi) wrote:
you fool , Hindus enjoy their myths just as Europeans perfom
plays based on greek gods , non existent .
Fair enough, but your myths speak loudly of the inhumanity of
Hinduism.
Yes Hindus admit their gods
and goddesses dont exist and are just forces of nature .
A contradictory statement, well suited to the dishonesty of your
religion, as is your mutilation and misrepresentation of my comments.
Now do you have the courage to say Allah does not exist and is
too cruel for worship?
See previous message, oh Call Centre-dweller.
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| User: "Richard Herring" |
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21 Jan 2004 06:24:56 AM |
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In message <400D7D56.67400595@hate.spam.net>, Uncle Al
<UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> writes
harmony wrote:
[...]
curious:
if you drop a rock from the very top, would it not fall a few feet
off the
mark straight below (not accounting for wind effects)?
Depends where you drop it - horizontal component of Coriolus
That's a mushroom. Try Coriolis.
force vs.
latitude. Note that sea level acceleration is about 980 cm/sec^2 and
the maximum horizontal Coriolus acceleration
"Maximum"? Coriolis acceleration is proportional to velocity - what
maximum velocity are you assuming, and why?
(at 44.95 degrees N or S
latitude) is 1.69 cm/sec^2.
Where do you get 44.95 degrees? For a vertically falling body, the
Coriolis acceleration is always horizontal, and maximum at the equator.
I suspect you're regurgitating your Eotvos calculations (which were for
the centripetal acceleration, not the Coriolis) without thinking.
It requires miles of falling to be real
world meaningful - e.g., artillery shells (the first battle of the
Falkland Islands) and hurricanes.
--
Richard Herring
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| User: "Paul R. Mays" |
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21 Jan 2004 06:46:31 AM |
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"Richard Herring" <junk@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message
news:yotsDlmY+mDAFwHu@baesystems.com...
In message <400D7D56.67400595@hate.spam.net>, Uncle Al
<UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> writes
harmony wrote:
[...]
curious:
if you drop a rock from the very top, would it not fall a few feet
off the
mark straight below (not accounting for wind effects)?
Depends where you drop it - horizontal component of Coriolus
That's a mushroom. Try Coriolis.
You have detected his problem! Too Many Shrooms.....
<<<<Snipped>>>>
It requires miles of falling to be real
world meaningful - e.g., artillery shells (the first battle of the
Falkland Islands) and hurricanes.
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Richard Herring
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| User: "Richard Herring" |
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22 Jan 2004 04:24:39 AM |
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Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message news:<400D7D56.67400595@hate.spam.net>...
In message <400D7D56.67400595@hate.spam.net>, Uncle Al
<UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> writes
harmony wrote:
[...]
curious:
if you drop a rock from the very top, would it not fall a few feet
off the
mark straight below (not accounting for wind effects)?
Depends where you drop it - horizontal component of Coriolus
That's a mushroom. Try Coriolis.
force vs.
latitude. Note that sea level acceleration is about 980 cm/sec^2 and
the maximum horizontal Coriolus acceleration
"Maximum"? Coriolis acceleration is proportional to velocity - what
maximum velocity are you assuming, and why?
(at 44.95 degrees N or S
latitude) is 1.69 cm/sec^2.
Where do you get 44.95 degrees? For a vertically falling body, the
Coriolis acceleration is always horizontal, and maximum at the
equator.
<penny drops>
I suspect you're regurgitating your Eotvos calculations (which were
for the centripetal acceleration, not the Coriolis) without thinking.
Centripetal acceleration is irrelevant here, since it's locally
constant and simply redefines your concepts of "g" and "down".
It requires miles of falling to be real
world meaningful - e.g., artillery shells (the first battle of the
Falkland Islands) and hurricanes.
It pays to think twice before posting in "look how smart I am" mode.
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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18 Jan 2004 07:39:12 PM |
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Habshi wrote:
Apparently this plane will fly to 45000 ft and then the
engines will cut out and it will fall to earth and then the restart at
a lower altitude and it will gain energy and fly up again . Is it
using the earth's rotation like the Galileo craft did to get to
Jupiter.
[snip]
You are a loud loathsome ineducable idiot. Let's start with the
Spaceshit diagnostic,
2) Fill in the following (the first one is mercy humped):
(+1)(+1) = +1
(-1)(+1) = ?
(+1)(-1) = ?
(-1)(-1) = ?
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/eotvos.htm
(Do something naughty to physics)
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| User: "cutlu" |
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20 Jan 2004 05:16:16 PM |
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Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message news:<400B3540.EA33D762@hate.spam.net>...
Habshi wrote:
[snip]
You are a loud loathsome ineducable idiot. Let's start with the
Spaceshit diagnostic,
I concur fully with your diagnosis. Habshi is a low caste Hindu and by
definition has a single digit IQ. Why?. Because despite being abused
and exploited by the high caste Hindus (for a whopping 4000 years),
they continue to defend Hinduism like zombies. Read more about these
Hindu bastards here: www.geocities.com/cutluus/
Cutlu
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| User: "Habshi" |
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20 Jan 2004 07:28:45 PM |
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On 20 Jan 2004 15:16:16 -0800, (cutlu) wrote:
I concur fully with your diagnosis. Habshi is a low caste Hindu and by
definition has a single digit IQ.<
Not true !! Lets not corrupt every newsgroup with
Hindu/Muslim disputes .
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| User: "Paul R. Mays" |
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21 Jan 2004 12:25:31 AM |
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"Habshi" <habshi@anony.com> wrote in message
news:400dd587.3030918@news.clara.net...
On 20 Jan 2004 15:16:16 -0800, (cutlu) wrote:
I concur fully with your diagnosis. Habshi is a low caste Hindu and by
definition has a single digit IQ.<
Not true !! Lets not corrupt every newsgroup with
Hindu/Muslim disputes .
We're not... all religious cult members are included...
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| User: "The Ghost In The Machine" |
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19 Jan 2004 11:00:21 AM |
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In sci.physics, Habshi
<habshi@anony.com>
wrote
on Mon, 19 Jan 2004 00:56:41 GMT
<400b29d6.744520@news.clara.net>:
Apparently this plane will fly to 45000 ft and then the
engines will cut out and it will fall to earth and then the restart at
a lower altitude and it will gain energy and fly up again . Is it
using the earth's rotation like the Galileo craft did to get to
Jupiter.
No.
[1] Tokyo's rotating, too.
[2] Galileo, if it used a maneuver similar to Cassini, did not gain
from the rotation; it gained from a momentum shift. I'm not
entirely sure how to explain it beyond the idea that one can
extract a bit of momentum from a planet speeding around at
30 km/s if one's careful about it. I don't know the details.
So if it can do that why cant it do use the earth's energy to
get to Tokyo , hey Uncle ?
Who says one can't? It's a little slow, but presumably one
can use a sailboat. :-)
India aims to fly hypersonic plane in 2007
Press Trust of India
Bangalore, January 1
[rest snipped for brevity]
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#191,
It's still legal to go .sigless.
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| User: "habshi" |
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19 Jan 2004 11:45:45 AM |
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Its like bouncing on a cushion. Moving from air to a heavier medium , in this case from the
light air to the dense air lower down so giving the bounce .
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