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User: "Moderate Mammal"
Date: 12 Jan 2005 08:23:55 AM
Object: Planet Beyond Solar System Has Been Photographed
Well, it's confirmed. An actual photograph of a planet other than one
from our solar system. I'm outta here... <Moderate Mammal starts
packing..>
Anyway, there are of course photos at the link below.
BTW, I curious in that it seems the evidence is pointing to the fact
of large gaseous giants and smaller inner planets to be the natural
hierarchy designed by Mother Nature. Perhaps this along with a 'moon'
is fundamental to life bearing worlds?
--
Keith
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/aas_exoplanet_050110.html

Astronomers Confident: Planet Beyond Solar System Has Been
Photographed
By Robert Roy Britt
Senior Science Writer
posted: 10 January 2005
04:32 pm ET

SAN DIEGO -- Astronomers are highly confident that they've taken the
first photograph of a planet outside our solar system.
Make that two photographs.
A new image from the Hubble Space Telescope confirms with a high
degree of confidence a picture made previously by astronomers at the
European Southern Observatory (ESO) and reported by SPACE.com in
September.
The planet -- still just a candidate, actually -- is an odd duck in
many respects. It does not orbit a normal star, and it is much more
massive than the largest planets in our solar system.
Still, if confirmed, it represents a landmark in astronomy along the
road to the ultimate goal of finding and photographing Earth-like
planets around other stars.
The Hubble image was released here today at a meeting of the American
Astronomical Society.
The planet candidate appears to orbit a failed star known as a brown
dwarf. The initial observations at ESO's Very Large Telescope could
not determine whether the apparent planet was actually at the same
distance as the brown dwarf or if it was a background object. The
Hubble observations show that the two indeed appear to be travelling
together through the sky, suggesting they are gravitationally bound,
as originally suspected.
University of Arizona astronomer Glenn Schneider, who led the new
study, said he's 99.1 percent sure the object is in orbit around the
brown dwarf. He expects to be 99.9 percent sure in April when more
Hubble observations are made as the planet presumably moves a bit
farther along in its orbit.
"Stay tuned for the final confirmation, but it's looking pretty good,"
Schneider said.
The planet candidate is about 1.5 times the diameter of Jupiter and
about five times as massive. It orbits the brown dwarf star at about
30 percent farther than Pluto is from our Sun. The brown dwarf does
not have enough mass to trigger thermonuclear fusion and shine like a
normal star, but it is also outside the realm of planethood, being
some 25 times more massive than Jupiter and glowing with infrared
light.
The setup is about 225 light-years away.
"This is the first image of a planet outside our solar system," said
UCLA astronomer Eric Becklin, quickly correcting himself to say it was
an image most likely to be of an extrasolar planet. "So we really need
to be sure."
Becklin and others eagerly await the April observations.
If confirmed, the finding would have "enormous impact" on the ability
of astronomers to get funding for future telescopes that would look
for Earth-like planets, said Steve Maran, press officer of the
American Astronomical Society.
And what to make of a planet orbiting a failed star? Astronomers are
already debating what constitutes a planet and whether the definition
should include how they formed versus what they orbit.
Becklin, who was not involved in the imaging, said there is evidence
for planets orbiting planets and planets floating alone in space with
no star. If the latest image is proved to be what it seems, that would
suggest "planets are around a lot of things," he said.
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"Cosmic upheaval is not so moving as a little child pondering the death
of a sparrow in the corner of a barn." -Anouk Aimee, French Actor
_____
"Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny", Aeschylus (525BC-456BC),
Agamemnon
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User: "TheWanderer"

Title: Re: Planet Beyond Solar System Has Been Photographed 12 Jan 2005 11:30:08 PM
Maybe its a "Death Star" ;)
"Moderate Mammal" <BunnERabbit@verizon.hutch.net> wrote in message
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Well, it's confirmed. An actual photograph of a planet other than one
from our solar system. I'm outta here... <Moderate Mammal starts
packing..>

Anyway, there are of course photos at the link below.

BTW, I curious in that it seems the evidence is pointing to the fact
of large gaseous giants and smaller inner planets to be the natural
hierarchy designed by Mother Nature. Perhaps this along with a 'moon'
is fundamental to life bearing worlds?

--
Keith

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/aas_exoplanet_050110.html


Astronomers Confident: Planet Beyond Solar System Has Been
Photographed
By Robert Roy Britt
Senior Science Writer
posted: 10 January 2005
04:32 pm ET


SAN DIEGO -- Astronomers are highly confident that they've taken the
first photograph of a planet outside our solar system.

Make that two photographs.

A new image from the Hubble Space Telescope confirms with a high
degree of confidence a picture made previously by astronomers at the
European Southern Observatory (ESO) and reported by SPACE.com in
September.

The planet -- still just a candidate, actually -- is an odd duck in
many respects. It does not orbit a normal star, and it is much more
massive than the largest planets in our solar system.

Still, if confirmed, it represents a landmark in astronomy along the
road to the ultimate goal of finding and photographing Earth-like
planets around other stars.

The Hubble image was released here today at a meeting of the American
Astronomical Society.

The planet candidate appears to orbit a failed star known as a brown
dwarf. The initial observations at ESO's Very Large Telescope could
not determine whether the apparent planet was actually at the same
distance as the brown dwarf or if it was a background object. The
Hubble observations show that the two indeed appear to be travelling
together through the sky, suggesting they are gravitationally bound,
as originally suspected.

University of Arizona astronomer Glenn Schneider, who led the new
study, said he's 99.1 percent sure the object is in orbit around the
brown dwarf. He expects to be 99.9 percent sure in April when more
Hubble observations are made as the planet presumably moves a bit
farther along in its orbit.

"Stay tuned for the final confirmation, but it's looking pretty good,"
Schneider said.

The planet candidate is about 1.5 times the diameter of Jupiter and
about five times as massive. It orbits the brown dwarf star at about
30 percent farther than Pluto is from our Sun. The brown dwarf does
not have enough mass to trigger thermonuclear fusion and shine like a
normal star, but it is also outside the realm of planethood, being
some 25 times more massive than Jupiter and glowing with infrared
light.

The setup is about 225 light-years away.

"This is the first image of a planet outside our solar system," said
UCLA astronomer Eric Becklin, quickly correcting himself to say it was
an image most likely to be of an extrasolar planet. "So we really need
to be sure."

Becklin and others eagerly await the April observations.

If confirmed, the finding would have "enormous impact" on the ability
of astronomers to get funding for future telescopes that would look
for Earth-like planets, said Steve Maran, press officer of the
American Astronomical Society.

And what to make of a planet orbiting a failed star? Astronomers are
already debating what constitutes a planet and whether the definition
should include how they formed versus what they orbit.

Becklin, who was not involved in the imaging, said there is evidence
for planets orbiting planets and planets floating alone in space with
no star. If the latest image is proved to be what it seems, that would
suggest "planets are around a lot of things," he said.


_____

"Cosmic upheaval is not so moving as a little child pondering the death
of a sparrow in the corner of a barn." -Anouk Aimee, French Actor
_____

"Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny", Aeschylus (525BC-456BC),
Agamemnon
_____

"I wear no Burka." - Mother Nature

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User: "Rob Dekker"

Title: Re: Planet Beyond Solar System Has Been Photographed 13 Jan 2005 06:31:38 PM
"TheWanderer" <nobody@spamcop.net> wrote in message news:1105594242.66a46b24f59e48f6c322169bdae85a90@teranews...

Maybe its a "Death Star" ;)

Nah.
The death star is already waiting in our own solar system. We call it Mimas :
http://www.nineplanets.org/mimas.html


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User: "John Griffin"

Title: Re: Planet Beyond Solar System Has Been Photographed 13 Jan 2005 09:17:10 AM
Moderate Mammal <BunnERabbit@verizon.hutch.net> wrote:


Well, it's confirmed. An actual photograph of a planet other than one
from our solar system. I'm outta here... <Moderate Mammal starts
packing..>

It's another government coverup, by the Jesus!
That's an alien spaceship. It's refueling, by taking energy from that
brown dwarf it's orbiting. There's a good reason for using that kind of
star-- they can hide there. They aren't concerned about anyone detecting
them because they won't be illuminated as they would be if they went to
steal energy from another type of star. That's how we know it's a hoax.
Without illumination anywhere in the entire electromagnetic spectrum, the
ship has to have been photographed by its own emissions in the infrared
region. The reason their ship radiates enough to be seen so far away is
that they grew up on a planet orbiting a blue supergiant star, so they
like to keep it hot as hell inside their ship. Hotter, actually.
I think they should name it Planet X.

Anyway, there are of course photos at the link below.

BTW, I curious in that it seems the evidence is pointing to the fact
of large gaseous giants and smaller inner planets to be the natural
hierarchy designed by Mother Nature. Perhaps this along with a 'moon'
is fundamental to life bearing worlds?

I don't think there's enough of that evidence. If there are rocky planets
at great distances from there stars, their effects on the stars are too
small (so far) to notice. Also, there is at least one huge planet in an
orbit of something like seven days.
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User: "Karl Heinz Buchegger"

Title: Re: Planet Beyond Solar System Has Been Photographed 12 Jan 2005 01:15:52 PM
Moderate Mammal wrote:


BTW, I curious in that it seems the evidence is pointing to the fact
of large gaseous giants and smaller inner planets to be the natural
hierarchy designed by Mother Nature.

I don't think there is evidence for that.
The thing is: We are currently able to detect large gasous giants
only. So it shouldn't be surprising to find exactly that: large
gasous giants only.
--
Karl Heinz Buchegger
kbuchegg@gascad.at
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User: "Aratzio"

Title: Re: Planet Beyond Solar System Has Been Photographed 12 Jan 2005 01:22:03 PM
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:15:52 +0100, Karl Heinz Buchegger
<kbuchegg@gascad.at> transparently proposed:
<snip>

So it shouldn't be surprising to find exactly that: large
gasous giants only.

I hate that, stinks up the place for WEEKS. Nothing can get rid of
that sulphurous stench. Gets into everything, clothes, hair even the
food. Don't get me started what happens if you feed them pickled eggs
and beer...
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User: "ah"

Title: Re: Planet Beyond Solar System Has Been Photographed 13 Jan 2005 10:04:33 AM
Aratzio wrote:

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:15:52 +0100, Karl Heinz Buchegger
<kbuchegg@gascad.at> transparently proposed:

<snip>

So it shouldn't be surprising to find exactly that: large
gasous giants only.


I hate that, stinks up the place for WEEKS. Nothing can get rid of
that sulphurous stench. Gets into everything, clothes, hair even the
food. Don't get me started what happens if you feed them pickled eggs
and beer...

And shrimp!
--
ah
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User: "Moderate Mammal"

Title: Re: Planet Beyond Solar System Has Been Photographed 13 Jan 2005 03:54:33 AM
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:15:52 +0100, Karl Heinz Buchegger
<kbuchegg@gascad.at> wrote:

Moderate Mammal wrote:


BTW, I curious in that it seems the evidence is pointing to the fact
of large gaseous giants and smaller inner planets to be the natural
hierarchy designed by Mother Nature.


I don't think there is evidence for that.
The thing is: We are currently able to detect large gasous giants
only. So it shouldn't be surprising to find exactly that: large
gasous giants only.

Yes, we're only able to detect large gas giants. How does that negate
the possibility of inner planets being detected at a later date?
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"Cosmic upheaval is not so moving as a little child pondering the death
of a sparrow in the corner of a barn." -Anouk Aimee, French Actor
_____
"Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny", Aeschylus (525BC-456BC),
Agamemnon
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User: "Karl Heinz Buchegger"

Title: Re: Planet Beyond Solar System Has Been Photographed 13 Jan 2005 06:56:05 AM
Moderate Mammal wrote:


On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:15:52 +0100, Karl Heinz Buchegger
<kbuchegg@gascad.at> wrote:

Moderate Mammal wrote:


BTW, I curious in that it seems the evidence is pointing to the fact
of large gaseous giants and smaller inner planets to be the natural
hierarchy designed by Mother Nature.


I don't think there is evidence for that.
The thing is: We are currently able to detect large gasous giants
only. So it shouldn't be surprising to find exactly that: large
gasous giants only.


Yes, we're only able to detect large gas giants. How does that negate
the possibility of inner planets being detected at a later date?

It doesn't.
But that's not what you have said: You said that this seems to be
an evidence.
And this is not true, it is in no way an evidence. It is just
speculation based on insufficient data.
--
Karl Heinz Buchegger
kbuchegg@gascad.at
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User: "Karl Heinz Buchegger"

Title: Re: Planet Beyond Solar System Has Been Photographed 13 Jan 2005 07:02:42 AM
Karl Heinz Buchegger wrote:


Moderate Mammal wrote:


On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:15:52 +0100, Karl Heinz Buchegger
<kbuchegg@gascad.at> wrote:

Moderate Mammal wrote:


BTW, I curious in that it seems the evidence is pointing to the fact
of large gaseous giants and smaller inner planets to be the natural
hierarchy designed by Mother Nature.


I don't think there is evidence for that.
The thing is: We are currently able to detect large gasous giants
only. So it shouldn't be surprising to find exactly that: large
gasous giants only.


Yes, we're only able to detect large gas giants. How does that negate
the possibility of inner planets being detected at a later date?


It doesn't.
But that's not what you have said: You said that this seems to be
an evidence.
And this is not true, it is in no way an evidence. It is just
speculation based on insufficient data.

After rereading your statement it may be the case that I misread
it. I read it as: There seems to be evidence that in a normal
planetary system the inner planets are small, while the large
gasous giants are more at the outside of those systems.
If this is the case: apologies.
--
Karl Heinz Buchegger
kbuchegg@gascad.at
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User: "Bunn E. Rabbit"

Title: Re: Planet Beyond Solar System Has Been Photographed 13 Jan 2005 08:14:31 AM
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:02:42 +0100, Karl Heinz Buchegger
<kbuchegg@gascad.at> wrote:

Karl Heinz Buchegger wrote:


Moderate Mammal wrote:


On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:15:52 +0100, Karl Heinz Buchegger
<kbuchegg@gascad.at> wrote:

Moderate Mammal wrote:


BTW, I curious in that it seems the evidence is pointing to the fact
of large gaseous giants and smaller inner planets to be the natural
hierarchy designed by Mother Nature.


I don't think there is evidence for that.
The thing is: We are currently able to detect large gasous giants
only. So it shouldn't be surprising to find exactly that: large
gasous giants only.


Yes, we're only able to detect large gas giants. How does that negate
the possibility of inner planets being detected at a later date?


It doesn't.
But that's not what you have said: You said that this seems to be
an evidence.
And this is not true, it is in no way an evidence. It is just
speculation based on insufficient data.


After rereading your statement it may be the case that I misread
it. I read it as: There seems to be evidence that in a normal
planetary system the inner planets are small, while the large
gasous giants are more at the outside of those systems.
If this is the case: apologies.

No problem. What I was getting at is the fact that in our solar
system scientists seem to think that Jupiter and the Moon play a vital
role in keeping the Earth stable, of you will via gravitational pull
and may in fact be necessary in other parts of the Universe for life
to flourish.
And this:
http://tinyurl.com/4wf9d
I'm too damn tired to write it again.
--
Keith
_____
"Cosmic upheaval is not so moving as a little child pondering the death
of a sparrow in the corner of a barn." -Anouk Aimee, French Actor
_____
"Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny", Aeschylus (525BC-456BC),
Agamemnon
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User: "AaronB"

Title: Re: Planet Beyond Solar System Has Been Photographed 13 Jan 2005 07:58:25 PM
Moderate Mammal wrote:

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:15:52 +0100, Karl Heinz Buchegger
<kbuchegg@gascad.at> wrote:

Moderate Mammal wrote:


BTW, I curious in that it seems the evidence is pointing to the

fact

of large gaseous giants and smaller inner planets to be the

natural

hierarchy designed by Mother Nature.


I don't think there is evidence for that.
The thing is: We are currently able to detect large gasous giants
only. So it shouldn't be surprising to find exactly that: large
gasous giants only.


Yes, we're only able to detect large gas giants. How does that

negate

the possibility of inner planets being detected at a later date?

Because these gas giants are as close, if not closer, to their star
than Mercury. We have not detected any planets in an orbit such as
Jupiter's.
A.

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"Cosmic upheaval is not so moving as a little child pondering the

death

of a sparrow in the corner of a barn." -Anouk Aimee, French Actor
_____

"Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny", Aeschylus

(525BC-456BC),

Agamemnon
_____

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User: "Vanilla Gorilla Monkey Boy"

Title: Re: Planet Beyond Solar System Has Been Photographed 13 Jan 2005 10:55:13 AM
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:54:33 GMT, Moderate Mammal
<BunnERabbit@verizon.hutch.net> wrote in alt.fan.art-bell in message
<c8hcu0p8a8p8qvscl20c94okulkqgq5lmq@4ax.com>:

Yes, we're only able to detect large gas giants.

I'm pretty big, but not technically a "giant".
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User: "AaronB"

Title: Re: Planet Beyond Solar System Has Been Photographed 13 Jan 2005 07:47:37 PM
Moderate Mammal wrote:

Well, it's confirmed. An actual photograph of a planet other than

one

from our solar system. I'm outta here... <Moderate Mammal starts
packing..>

Anyway, there are of course photos at the link below.

BTW, I curious in that it seems the evidence is pointing to the fact
of large gaseous giants and smaller inner planets to be the natural
hierarchy designed by Mother Nature. Perhaps this along with a

'moon'

is fundamental to life bearing worlds?

[snip article]
Actually, most (well, all, I believe) of the extra-solar planets that
have been discovered are gas giants, and I believe all of them are also
located roughly in the same orbit as Mercury. This isn't really
consistent without our solar system. Actually, these types of systems
would probably be unhabitable, since terrestrial-size planets probably
would not be able to form particularly stable orbits.
A.
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User: "|-|erc"

Title: Re: Planet Beyond Solar System Has Been Photographed 14 Jan 2005 12:06:58 AM
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"AaronB" <amino_acid456@hotmail.com> wrote in message


Moderate Mammal wrote:

Well, it's confirmed. An actual photograph of a planet other than

one

from our solar system. I'm outta here... <Moderate Mammal starts
packing..>

Anyway, there are of course photos at the link below.

BTW, I curious in that it seems the evidence is pointing to the fact
of large gaseous giants and smaller inner planets to be the natural
hierarchy designed by Mother Nature. Perhaps this along with a

'moon'

is fundamental to life bearing worlds?

Those comet clearers and sinusoidal ocean sweepers? who needs 'em!


[snip article]

Actually, most (well, all, I believe) of the extra-solar planets that
have been discovered are gas giants, and I believe all of them are also
located roughly in the same orbit as Mercury. This isn't really
consistent without our solar system. Actually, these types of systems
would probably be unhabitable, since terrestrial-size planets probably
would not be able to form particularly stable orbits.

A.

...because big close planets make the star wobble and that's all we detect.
there could be more planets at the sites detected but we can't see them.
this 225 lightyear photo is a 1st, must be due to the star being dim.
We're detecting new planets every year now, looks like the ratio
of stars with planets is fairly moderate. With 100,000,000,000 stars
in the milky way, a few percent with gas giants, all we need now is
a few percent of those to have smaller planets, that's 10 million Earth
sized planets... how many will have O2, plant life, ....? One in a million
stars having a habitable planet is a fair bet. Even 1 in a billion, 1 in 1,000,000,000
and there's a few hundred in the Milky Way... hopefully in range with
nuclear ion drives going at 99.9% C only take a few months. Get back to
Earth another 6 months later, ...but if you went 1000 light years, its 2000 years
later when you get back. ;-)
Herc
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User: "Susan Cohen"

Title: Re: Planet Beyond Solar System Has Been Photographed 12 Jan 2005 08:43:18 AM
Moderate Mammal wrote:

Well, it's confirmed. An actual photograph of a planet other than

one

from our solar system. I'm outta here... <Moderate Mammal starts
packing..>

Packing? Where will you go and how will you get there?

Anyway, there are of course photos at the link below.

BTW, I curious in that it seems the evidence is pointing to the fact
of large gaseous giants and smaller inner planets to be the natural
hierarchy designed by Mother Nature. Perhaps this along with a

'moon'

is fundamental to life bearing worlds?

I don't think you need a moon for life. There is an order to our
planets anyway. It may depend on the size of the star too. I'm
sure astronomers have their theories.
Susan
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User: "Don H"

Title: Re: Planet Beyond Solar System Has Been Photographed 12 Jan 2005 11:41:57 AM
"Life" is not some mystical element, but merely the ability of a chemical
formula to perpetuate and propagate itself. Not an easy achievement,
perhaps, and one needing the right conditions.
It seems that life on Earth was due to a favourable environment -
hydrogen, ammonia, methane, and steam in the atmosphere - plus lots of
ultra-violet rays, and water (seas).
Some of these conditions are most unlikely to recur, so if humanity
succeeds in wiping out life on Earth, it's unlikely to be able to start up
again, at least in our protoplasmic form.
However, there may be other forms of life, and other conditions - here or
elsewhere.
As most life feeds off other life, we shouldn't be too eager to discover
life on other planets; nor should they be too keen to encounter us.
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Moderate Mammal wrote:

Well, it's confirmed. An actual photograph of a planet other than

one

from our solar system. I'm outta here... <Moderate Mammal starts
packing..>


Packing? Where will you go and how will you get there?

Anyway, there are of course photos at the link below.

BTW, I curious in that it seems the evidence is pointing to the fact
of large gaseous giants and smaller inner planets to be the natural
hierarchy designed by Mother Nature. Perhaps this along with a

'moon'

is fundamental to life bearing worlds?


I don't think you need a moon for life. There is an order to our
planets anyway. It may depend on the size of the star too. I'm
sure astronomers have their theories.

Susan

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User: "John Popelish"

Title: Re: Planet Beyond Solar System Has Been Photographed 12 Jan 2005 12:07:17 PM
Don H wrote:
(snip)

As most life feeds off other life, we shouldn't be too eager to discover
life on other planets; nor should they be too keen to encounter us.

One of the lessons of evolution is that only your relatives are easily
digestible.
Life that evolved somewhere else will probably be poisonous to us and
we to them.
--
John Popelish
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User: "jacob navia"

Title: Re: Planet Beyond Solar System Has Been Photographed 12 Jan 2005 03:20:41 PM
John Popelish wrote:


One of the lessons of evolution is that only your relatives are easily
digestible.

Life that evolved somewhere else will probably be poisonous to us and
we to them.

Yes, I wouldn't go around eating aliens... They surely could be
indigest, and, as far as I know, no extra-terrestials eat
humans, so must be a reason :-)
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User: "DrPostman"

Title: Re: Planet Beyond Solar System Has Been Photographed 12 Jan 2005 05:48:53 PM
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:20:41 +0000, jacob navia
<jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> in accordance with The Prophecy scribed:

John Popelish wrote:


One of the lessons of evolution is that only your relatives are easily
digestible.

Life that evolved somewhere else will probably be poisonous to us and
we to them.


Yes, I wouldn't go around eating aliens... They surely could be
indigest, and, as far as I know, no extra-terrestials eat
humans, so must be a reason :-)

Aliens taste great if you cook them right:
http://users.bigpond.net.au/wanglese/Alien_recipes.html
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User: "John Popelish"

Title: Re: Planet Beyond Solar System Has Been Photographed 12 Jan 2005 09:12:02 PM
DrPostman wrote:

jacob navia wrote:

John Popelish wrote:

One of the lessons of evolution is that only your relatives are easily
digestible.

Life that evolved somewhere else will probably be poisonous to us and
we to them.


Yes, I wouldn't go around eating aliens... They surely could be
indigest, and, as far as I know, no extra-terrestials eat
humans, so must be a reason :-)


Aliens taste great if you cook them right:
http://users.bigpond.net.au/wanglese/Alien_recipes.html

You may like the taste, but their strange kinds of right handed amino
acids give me tremendous gas.
--
John Popelish
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User: "Susan Cohen"

Title: Re: Planet Beyond Solar System Has Been Photographed 12 Jan 2005 09:10:15 PM
John Popelish wrote:

DrPostman wrote:

jacob navia wrote:

John Popelish wrote:


One of the lessons of evolution is that only your relatives are

easily

digestible.

Life that evolved somewhere else will probably be poisonous to

us and

we to them.


Yes, I wouldn't go around eating aliens... They surely could be
indigest, and, as far as I know, no extra-terrestials eat
humans, so must be a reason :-)


Aliens taste great if you cook them right:
http://users.bigpond.net.au/wanglese/Alien_recipes.html


You may like the taste, but their strange kinds of right handed amino
acids give me tremendous gas.

Remind me never to have dinner with you.
Susan
.
User: "John Popelish"

Title: Re: Planet Beyond Solar System Has Been Photographed 12 Jan 2005 10:37:39 PM
Susan Cohen wrote:

John Popelish wrote:

DrPostman wrote:

Aliens taste great if you cook them right:
http://users.bigpond.net.au/wanglese/Alien_recipes.html

You may like the taste, but their strange kinds of right handed amino
acids give me tremendous gas.

Remind me never to have dinner with you.

:-( I've *learned* my lesson. Never again.
--
John Popelish
.






User: "AaronB"

Title: Re: Planet Beyond Solar System Has Been Photographed 13 Jan 2005 07:57:03 PM
Don H wrote:

"Life" is not some mystical element, but merely the ability of a

chemical

formula to perpetuate and propagate itself. Not an easy achievement,
perhaps, and one needing the right conditions.
It seems that life on Earth was due to a favourable environment -
hydrogen, ammonia, methane, and steam in the atmosphere - plus lots

of

ultra-violet rays, and water (seas).

There is no evidence that atmosphere ever existed on Earth. If nothing
else, the escape velocity of the Earth is not large enough to maintain
an atmosphere with hydrogen in it. But in general, that early
atmospheric model was considered obsolete many years ago.

Some of these conditions are most unlikely to recur, so if humanity
succeeds in wiping out life on Earth, it's unlikely to be able to

start up

again, at least in our protoplasmic form.

Well, it is highly unlikely that we have the capacity to wipe out ALL
life on Earth. Bacteria, cockroaches, etc. are pretty tough to get rid
of.
A.

However, there may be other forms of life, and other conditions -

here or

elsewhere.
As most life feeds off other life, we shouldn't be too eager to

discover

life on other planets; nor should they be too keen to encounter us.

[snip]
.



User: "EjP"

Title: Re: Planet Beyond Solar System Has Been Photographed 12 Jan 2005 01:32:40 PM
Moderate Mammal wrote:

Well, it's confirmed. An actual photograph of a planet other than one
from our solar system. I'm outta here... <Moderate Mammal starts
packing..>

Anyway, there are of course photos at the link below.

BTW, I curious in that it seems the evidence is pointing to the fact
of large gaseous giants and smaller inner planets to be the natural
hierarchy designed by Mother Nature. Perhaps this along with a 'moon'
is fundamental to life bearing worlds?

There's no evidence for that. We don't know anything about
Earth-type planets outside our solar system.
The technique used for detecting extra-solar planets is
to look for the "wobble" they induce on the star. To
detect planets, they must be sufficiently massive AND
have a period short enough to see over the period of
observation.
At the moment, they can detect planets with masses
at least as large as about Jupiter and orbital periods
on the order of a year or so or less.
In other words, they could not detect *our* solar
system from the vantage point of a distant star.
-E

--
Keith

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/aas_exoplanet_050110.html


Astronomers Confident: Planet Beyond Solar System Has Been
Photographed
By Robert Roy Britt
Senior Science Writer
posted: 10 January 2005
04:32 pm ET


SAN DIEGO -- Astronomers are highly confident that they've taken the
first photograph of a planet outside our solar system.

Make that two photographs.

A new image from the Hubble Space Telescope confirms with a high
degree of confidence a picture made previously by astronomers at the
European Southern Observatory (ESO) and reported by SPACE.com in
September.

The planet -- still just a candidate, actually -- is an odd duck in
many respects. It does not orbit a normal star, and it is much more
massive than the largest planets in our solar system.

Still, if confirmed, it represents a landmark in astronomy along the
road to the ultimate goal of finding and photographing Earth-like
planets around other stars.

The Hubble image was released here today at a meeting of the American
Astronomical Society.

The planet candidate appears to orbit a failed star known as a brown
dwarf. The initial observations at ESO's Very Large Telescope could
not determine whether the apparent planet was actually at the same
distance as the brown dwarf or if it was a background object. The
Hubble observations show that the two indeed appear to be travelling
together through the sky, suggesting they are gravitationally bound,
as originally suspected.

University of Arizona astronomer Glenn Schneider, who led the new
study, said he's 99.1 percent sure the object is in orbit around the
brown dwarf. He expects to be 99.9 percent sure in April when more
Hubble observations are made as the planet presumably moves a bit
farther along in its orbit.

"Stay tuned for the final confirmation, but it's looking pretty good,"
Schneider said.

The planet candidate is about 1.5 times the diameter of Jupiter and
about five times as massive. It orbits the brown dwarf star at about
30 percent farther than Pluto is from our Sun. The brown dwarf does
not have enough mass to trigger thermonuclear fusion and shine like a
normal star, but it is also outside the realm of planethood, being
some 25 times more massive than Jupiter and glowing with infrared
light.

The setup is about 225 light-years away.

"This is the first image of a planet outside our solar system," said
UCLA astronomer Eric Becklin, quickly correcting himself to say it was
an image most likely to be of an extrasolar planet. "So we really need
to be sure."

Becklin and others eagerly await the April observations.

If confirmed, the finding would have "enormous impact" on the ability
of astronomers to get funding for future telescopes that would look
for Earth-like planets, said Steve Maran, press officer of the
American Astronomical Society.

And what to make of a planet orbiting a failed star? Astronomers are
already debating what constitutes a planet and whether the definition
should include how they formed versus what they orbit.

Becklin, who was not involved in the imaging, said there is evidence
for planets orbiting planets and planets floating alone in space with
no star. If the latest image is proved to be what it seems, that would
suggest "planets are around a lot of things," he said.


_____

"Cosmic upheaval is not so moving as a little child pondering the death
of a sparrow in the corner of a barn." -Anouk Aimee, French Actor
_____

"Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny", Aeschylus (525BC-456BC),
Agamemnon
_____

"I wear no Burka." - Mother Nature

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User: "Moderate Mammal"

Title: Re: Planet Beyond Solar System Has Been Photographed 13 Jan 2005 03:59:27 AM
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:32:40 -0600, EjP <nospam@hackers.are.bad>
wrote:

Moderate Mammal wrote:

Well, it's confirmed. An actual photograph of a planet other than one
from our solar system. I'm outta here... <Moderate Mammal starts
packing..>

Anyway, there are of course photos at the link below.

BTW, I curious in that it seems the evidence is pointing to the fact
of large gaseous giants and smaller inner planets to be the natural
hierarchy designed by Mother Nature. Perhaps this along with a 'moon'
is fundamental to life bearing worlds?


There's no evidence for that. We don't know anything about
Earth-type planets outside our solar system.

The technique used for detecting extra-solar planets is
to look for the "wobble" they induce on the star. To
detect planets, they must be sufficiently massive AND
have a period short enough to see over the period of
observation.

At the moment, they can detect planets with masses
at least as large as about Jupiter and orbital periods
on the order of a year or so or less.

In other words, they could not detect *our* solar
system from the vantage point of a distant star.

Yes, I'm aware of all that. But does not negate the possibility of
future discoveries on the matter.
--
Keith

-E


--
Keith

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/aas_exoplanet_050110.html


Astronomers Confident: Planet Beyond Solar System Has Been
Photographed
By Robert Roy Britt
Senior Science Writer
posted: 10 January 2005
04:32 pm ET


SAN DIEGO -- Astronomers are highly confident that they've taken the
first photograph of a planet outside our solar system.

Make that two photographs.

A new image from the Hubble Space Telescope confirms with a high
degree of confidence a picture made previously by astronomers at the
European Southern Observatory (ESO) and reported by SPACE.com in
September.

The planet -- still just a candidate, actually -- is an odd duck in
many respects. It does not orbit a normal star, and it is much more
massive than the largest planets in our solar system.

Still, if confirmed, it represents a landmark in astronomy along the
road to the ultimate goal of finding and photographing Earth-like
planets around other stars.

The Hubble image was released here today at a meeting of the American
Astronomical Society.

The planet candidate appears to orbit a failed star known as a brown
dwarf. The initial observations at ESO's Very Large Telescope could
not determine whether the apparent planet was actually at the same
distance as the brown dwarf or if it was a background object. The
Hubble observations show that the two indeed appear to be travelling
together through the sky, suggesting they are gravitationally bound,
as originally suspected.

University of Arizona astronomer Glenn Schneider, who led the new
study, said he's 99.1 percent sure the object is in orbit around the
brown dwarf. He expects to be 99.9 percent sure in April when more
Hubble observations are made as the planet presumably moves a bit
farther along in its orbit.

"Stay tuned for the final confirmation, but it's looking pretty good,"
Schneider said.

The planet candidate is about 1.5 times the diameter of Jupiter and
about five times as massive. It orbits the brown dwarf star at about
30 percent farther than Pluto is from our Sun. The brown dwarf does
not have enough mass to trigger thermonuclear fusion and shine like a
normal star, but it is also outside the realm of planethood, being
some 25 times more massive than Jupiter and glowing with infrared
light.

The setup is about 225 light-years away.

"This is the first image of a planet outside our solar system," said
UCLA astronomer Eric Becklin, quickly correcting himself to say it was
an image most likely to be of an extrasolar planet. "So we really need
to be sure."

Becklin and others eagerly await the April observations.

If confirmed, the finding would have "enormous impact" on the ability
of astronomers to get funding for future telescopes that would look
for Earth-like planets, said Steve Maran, press officer of the
American Astronomical Society.

And what to make of a planet orbiting a failed star? Astronomers are
already debating what constitutes a planet and whether the definition
should include how they formed versus what they orbit.

Becklin, who was not involved in the imaging, said there is evidence
for planets orbiting planets and planets floating alone in space with
no star. If the latest image is proved to be what it seems, that would
suggest "planets are around a lot of things," he said.


_____

"Cosmic upheaval is not so moving as a little child pondering the death
of a sparrow in the corner of a barn." -Anouk Aimee, French Actor
_____

"Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny", Aeschylus (525BC-456BC),
Agamemnon
_____

"I wear no Burka." - Mother Nature

----------
To send mail: remove hutch

_____
"Cosmic upheaval is not so moving as a little child pondering the death
of a sparrow in the corner of a barn." -Anouk Aimee, French Actor
_____
"Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny", Aeschylus (525BC-456BC),
Agamemnon
_____
"I wear no Burka." - Mother Nature

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