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"Richard Henry" |
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27 Mar 2005 12:17:52 PM |
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Possible physics fumble in "Ice Princess" |
I don't have the script in front of me, and I may have misheard, but I sat
right up in my theater seat and whispered "That's backward" to my daughter
when I heard "high-school physics geek" Casey say to one of her
figure-skating friends, "Pull you arms in real tight. That increases your
moment of inertia".
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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| Title: Re: Possible physics fumble in "Ice Princess" |
27 Mar 2005 02:12:39 PM |
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Richard Henry wrote:
I don't have the script in front of me, and I may have misheard, but I sat
right up in my theater seat and whispered "That's backward" to my daughter
when I heard "high-school physics geek" Casey say to one of her
figure-skating friends, "Pull you arms in real tight. That increases your
moment of inertia".
It is exactly wrong.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "Mark Martin" |
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| Title: Re: Possible physics fumble in "Ice Princess" |
27 Mar 2005 02:30:24 PM |
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Richard Henry wrote:
I don't have the script in front of me, and I may have misheard, but
I sat
right up in my theater seat and whispered "That's backward" to my
daughter
when I heard "high-school physics geek" Casey say to one of her
figure-skating friends, "Pull you arms in real tight. That increases
your
moment of inertia".
I haven't seen the flick, but even just the trailer is enough to make
me gag. In the trailer Casey speaks of finding an "exact aerodynamic
formula"- for figure skating. At the speeds reached by show skaters,
aerodynamics is of trivial importance.
She's also generally portrayed as a suffering outcast from society
because of her exceptional mental skills. (Becoming a figure skater
will allow her to be "strong and beautiful for once".) Instead of
raising her detractors up to her level, she opts to sink to theirs. The
whole thing is quite insulting. Disney has been anti-intellectual for
at least 35 years. Gone are the Sunday evenings when The Wonderful
World of Disney would, for example, illustrate a nuclear chain reaction
with a tabletop mass of loaded mousetraps.
-Mark Martin
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| User: "CWatters" |
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| Title: Re: Possible physics fumble in "Ice Princess" |
28 Mar 2005 03:04:37 AM |
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"Mark Martin" <qed100@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1111955424.928765.270310@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
I haven't seen the flick, but even just the trailer is enough to make
me gag. In the trailer Casey speaks of finding an "exact aerodynamic
formula"- for figure skating. At the speeds reached by show skaters,
aerodynamics is of trivial importance.
There has to be a web site somewhere that records film gaffs. It's been a
while but my favorites are in the film Concord - if I remember correctly
someone opens a window and put's an arm out to fire a flare to try and avoid
a heat seeking missile.
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| User: "Mark Martin" |
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| Title: Re: Possible physics fumble in "Ice Princess" |
28 Mar 2005 07:36:20 AM |
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CWatters wrote:
"Mark Martin" <qed100@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1111955424.928765.270310@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
I haven't seen the flick, but even just the trailer is enough to
make
me gag. In the trailer Casey speaks of finding an "exact
aerodynamic
formula"- for figure skating. At the speeds reached by show
skaters,
aerodynamics is of trivial importance.
There has to be a web site somewhere that records film gaffs. It's
been a
while but my favorites are in the film Concord - if I remember
correctly
someone opens a window and put's an arm out to fire a flare to try
and avoid
a heat seeking missile.
Go to www.movie-mistakes.com. It's a very busy site where people report
this kind of thing. Finding movie mistakes has become a popular form of
entertainment all its own.
Speaking of 'Concorde', A gaff that I contributed to the website is
when the saboteurs rigged the cargo hatch to open automatically at some
preset time while flying. The idea was that it'd open, and the sudden
decompression would damage the airplane, causing it to crash. What
happened was that it started to open, but jammed just as it was open
only very slightly. Several minutes later the door finally did get
unjammed and flew open dramatically. At that point it showed the plane
undergoing EXPLOSIVE DECOMPRESSION!!!
-Mark Martin
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: Possible physics fumble in "Ice Princess" |
28 Mar 2005 10:17:02 AM |
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bad physics in cartoons is good for kids because kids see its wrong and
must think some physics during the movie.
You might notice physics lessons in cartoon movies because kids relate
to thier sschool work and thier class arguments mocked in a movie with
no coment but just physical relivance and compairisons.
Thats why kids like to see the laws of physics broken in cartoons.
But W E Cyote dint studdy law..
the cliff fell and he stood there held up a sine
" I nead an asprin " then cracked the planet when he hit the ground ..
that makes a kid reason what would have hapend .
The rock would have started to move and he fell off then the rock fell
on top of him on the ground.
The next time he climbs on top on the rock as they fall .. another
asprin request via sine.
SLAM ..
He wore a shoot this time ...he smiles and pulls the cord.. out comes
his lunch and camping gear. Slam ,,Bamm dont foget the rock ,,pull ]s
out his hard hat and Bam..
Its as funnie as nasa on the moon.
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| User: "Mark Martin" |
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| Title: Re: Possible physics fumble in "Ice Princess" |
28 Mar 2005 07:32:41 PM |
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tj Frazir wrote:
bad physics in cartoons is good for kids because kids see its wrong
and
must think some physics during the movie.
You might notice physics lessons in cartoon movies because kids
relate
to thier sschool work and thier class arguments mocked in a movie
with
no coment but just physical relivance and compairisons.
Thats why kids like to see the laws of physics broken in cartoons.
But W E Cyote dint studdy law..
the cliff fell and he stood there held up a sine
" I nead an asprin " then cracked the planet when he hit the ground
...
that makes a kid reason what would have hapend .
The rock would have started to move and he fell off then the rock
fell
on top of him on the ground.
The next time he climbs on top on the rock as they fall ..
another
asprin request via sine.
SLAM ..
He wore a shoot this time ...he smiles and pulls the cord.. out
comes
his lunch and camping gear. Slam ,,Bamm dont foget the rock ,,pull
]s
out his hard hat and Bam..
Its as funnie as nasa on the moon.
Cartoons are funny *because* they mangle physics. And most other types
of movies mangle physics out of either artistic license or just naive
ignorance. No problem. The story is the thing. But leave it Disney to
make a film in which the story itself purportedly cites real physics,
and yet they ***** it up just the same. Hell, they can fix that sort of
thing nowadays in post production slicker 'n snot. But- they didn't.
-Mark Martin
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: Possible physics fumble in "Ice Princess" |
29 Mar 2005 09:29:44 AM |
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There as good as nasa !!!!
man on the moon my *****.
Cant wait for the making of the moon lander movie.
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| User: "CWatters" |
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| Title: Re: Possible physics fumble in "Ice Princess" |
02 Apr 2005 01:55:50 AM |
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"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:7717-42497468-65@storefull-3215.bay.webtv.net...
There as good as nasa !!!!
man on the moon my *****.
Cant wait for the making of the moon lander movie.
Might be of interest then...
http://www.nature.com/news/2005/050328/full/050328-10.html
Apollo bacteria spur lunar erosion
"Researchers are not yet certain what is causing the erosion. Kawalkowizc
suggests that bacteria left behind by the Apollo Moon landings of the 1960s
and 1970s may be responsible."
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| User: "Mark Martin" |
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| Title: Re: Possible physics fumble in "Ice Princess" |
29 Mar 2005 01:12:35 PM |
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tj Frazir wrote:
There as good as nasa !!!!
man on the moon my *****.
Cant wait for the making of the moon lander movie.
Hey Frazir, pull my finger. Go ahead, pull it.
-Mark Martin
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Possible physics fumble in "Ice Princess" |
27 Mar 2005 03:17:30 PM |
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Mark Martin wrote:
Richard Henry wrote:
I don't have the script in front of me, and I may have misheard,
but
I sat
right up in my theater seat and whispered "That's backward" to my
daughter
when I heard "high-school physics geek" Casey say to one of her
figure-skating friends, "Pull you arms in real tight. That
increases
your
moment of inertia".
I haven't seen the flick, but even just the trailer is enough to make
me gag. In the trailer Casey speaks of finding an "exact aerodynamic
formula"- for figure skating. At the speeds reached by show skaters,
aerodynamics is of trivial importance.
She's also generally portrayed as a suffering outcast from society
because of her exceptional mental skills. (Becoming a figure skater
will allow her to be "strong and beautiful for once".) Instead of
raising her detractors up to her level, she opts to sink to theirs.
The
whole thing is quite insulting. Disney has been anti-intellectual for
at least 35 years. Gone are the Sunday evenings when The Wonderful
World of Disney would, for example, illustrate a nuclear chain
reaction
with a tabletop mass of loaded mousetraps.
-Mark Martin
Yes!! Except my memory includes ping-pong balls (variable number per
trap), and took place in a squash court, not a lousy table-top...
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| User: "Mark Martin" |
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| Title: Re: Possible physics fumble in "Ice Princess" |
27 Mar 2005 05:07:14 PM |
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wrote:
Gone are the Sunday evenings when The Wonderful
World of Disney would, for example, illustrate a nuclear chain
reaction
with a tabletop mass of loaded mousetraps.
-Mark Martin
Yes!! Except my memory includes ping-pong balls (variable number per
trap), and took place in a squash court, not a lousy table-top...
That's right. Each loaded trap had two balls balanced on it. The
demonstrator then tossed a single ball into the mix, with exponential
results. You can see this if you buy/borrow the 'Tomorrowland' DVD.
(Which also includes the whole 'Man In Space' series.)
-Mark Martin
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| User: "Mark Martin" |
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| Title: Re: Possible physics fumble in "Ice Princess" |
27 Mar 2005 01:17:21 PM |
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Richard Henry wrote:
I don't have the script in front of me, and I may have misheard, but
I sat
right up in my theater seat and whispered "That's backward" to my
daughter
when I heard "high-school physics geek" Casey say to one of her
figure-skating friends, "Pull you arms in real tight. That increases
your
moment of inertia".
It just figures. (The physics blooper, not the skaters...) Ice Princess
is the Disney paradigm. In the Disney universe, it's not enough of an
accomplshment to be the smartest, best educated kid in school. No, she
wants to be SOMEBODY. She wants to be A FIGURE SKATER.
-Mark Martin
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