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Topic: Science > Physics
User: ""
Date: 21 Aug 2006 09:09:40 PM
Object: Prime, probability and denial
So why should I keep bugging the sci.physics newsgroup about prime
numbers?
Because mathematicians have done some bizarre crap in this area, and
even dragged physics people into some stuff about prime numbers when
there are these two systems when it comes to understanding the
behavior.
Also, any of you with much training know enough probability and
statistics to not only understand how the prime distribution isn't
random, while other questions like about twin primes are, but you know
there are techniques to determine a random system, which mathematicians
can use to settle the question.
So how could they cheat?
Easy. Claim that such techniques should apply to the prime
distribution itself i.e. the count of primes when it does not, and then
act like that trumps areas where clearly you have randomness like with
where you see twin primes.
Smearing the line between the two systems can allow them to confuse
people indefinitely, unless you know already the answer, and you
figure, hey, these people are going to try to pull something on me.
There are two ways of looking at primes that cover all the ways that
primes express themselves in the natural numbers, where one is rigid
and determined--not at all random--while the other is completely
random.
First I'll show the determined way, which is about the prime
distribution itself--that is, the count of primes.
Well, the count of primes up to a given x is exactly determined by a
simple calculation using the primes up to and including the square root
of x.
For instance, to count the primes up to 24, you need only use
24 - floor(24/2) - floor(24/3) + floor(24/6) + 2 - 1
which is, you subtract the evens, from 24 and then the count of those
divisible by 3, and then you add in those divisible by 6--as they've
been subtracted twice--and then add in 2 for the primes as 2 got
subtracted with the evens and 3 got subtracted with those divisible by
3, and then you subtract one for 1, as one is not prime.
That gives you the EXACT count, and the method is perfect, for any
natural x.
In contrast, how many twin primes are there up to 24?
To be a twin prime, given an odd prime x, it must be true in that
interval that
x+2
is coprime to 3, as, of course, it will be coprime to 2, but notice,
you cannot calculate the count in the same way you could calculate the
count of primes!!!
So unlike the count of primes up to 24 the count of twin primes is from
a random system.
How do we know it has to be random?
Consider that given primes p_1 mod p_2 if there is a preference for a
particular residue, then as the composites are products of the primes
that preference would show up in all naturals, which can't happen.
For instance, 3 has 0, 1 and 2 as possible residues, where 0 is
impossible for other primes, of course, as for instance 7 is coprime to
3, but notice
7 = 1 mod 3
and what if primes tended to have that residue?
Well if the primes tended to have a residue of 1 modulo 3, then their
products would as well, so MOST numbers would be 1 modulo 3, but in
fact, we have
1, 2, 3 followed by 4, 5, 6, followed by 7, 8, 9 and so on
showing that the naturals perfectly balance between the three residues.
The primes cannot show a preference for a residue modulo another prime,
which is the reason why the difference between primes is random, and
you have a random system.
I just explained in a few paragraphs how and why questions about the
prime distribution differ from areas that have to do with prime
residues modulo other primes, like with the twin primes conjecture, or
Goldbach's Conjecture.
Now then, how many mathematicians this year will apply for grants for
research on twin primes? Or the prime gap? How many papers could be
written in this area?
If you know anything about probability, then see if you can still look
at books mathematicians put out in this area the same way, when you
understand how SIMPLE it is.
James Harris
.

User: "Tom"

Title: Re: Prime, probability and denial 21 Aug 2006 09:53:55 PM
<jstevh@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1156212580.832808.215680@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...

So why should I keep bugging the sci.physics newsgroup about prime
numbers?

Because you, JSH have been thrown out of sci.math, because you do not know
any math.

Because mathematicians have done some bizarre crap in this area, and
even dragged physics people into some stuff about prime numbers when
there are these two systems when it comes to understanding the
behavior.

Mathematicians always go to the bizarre.


Also, any of you with much training know enough probability and
statistics to not only understand how the prime distribution isn't
random, while other questions like about twin primes are, but you know
there are techniques to determine a random system, which mathematicians
can use to settle the question.

So how could they cheat?

Mathematicians always cheat at random primes.


Easy. Claim that such techniques should apply to the prime
distribution itself i.e. the count of primes when it does not, and then
act like that trumps areas where clearly you have randomness like with
where you see twin primes.

Mathematicians always go to the bizarre

Smearing the line between the two systems can allow them to confuse
people indefinitely, unless you know already the answer, and you
figure, hey, these people are going to try to pull something on me.

Mathematicians always smear the answers.

There are two ways of looking at primes that cover all the ways that
primes express themselves in the natural numbers, where one is rigid
and determined--not at all random--while the other is completely
random.

Mathematicians always look the other way.

First I'll show the determined way, which is about the prime
distribution itself--that is, the count of primes.

Mathematicians can count.

Well, the count of primes up to a given x is exactly determined by a
simple calculation using the primes up to and including the square root
of x.

For instance, to count the primes up to 24, you need only use

24 - floor(24/2) - floor(24/3) + floor(24/6) + 2 - 1

Do 500 and I will believe you.

which is, you subtract the evens, from 24 and then the count of those
divisible by 3, and then you add in those divisible by 6--as they've
been subtracted twice--and then add in 2 for the primes as 2 got
subtracted with the evens and 3 got subtracted with those divisible by
3, and then you subtract one for 1, as one is not prime.

Mathematicians always subtract.


That gives you the EXACT count, and the method is perfect, for any
natural x.

Mathematicians always want proof, you showed it only for 24. Show it for 50.

Now then, how many mathematicians this year will apply for grants for
research on twin primes? Or the prime gap? How many papers could be
written in this area?

Mathematicians always write papers on twin prime steaks.


If you know anything about probability, then see if you can still look
at books mathematicians put out in this area the same way, when you
understand how SIMPLE it is.

Mathematicians, like JSH, NEVER read books.



James Harris

.

User: "Moshira"

Title: Re: Prime, probability and denial 22 Aug 2006 12:05:36 AM
<jstevh@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1156212580.832808.215680@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
OFF TOPIC THIS IS A PHYSICS GROUP
WE DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOUR PRIME NUMBERS
NOR YOUR CHEATING.
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Prime, probability and denial 22 Aug 2006 12:25:11 AM

Also, any of you with much training know enough probability and
statistics to not only understand how the prime distribution isn't
random, while other questions like about twin primes are, but you know
there are techniques to determine a random system, which mathematicians
can use to settle the question.

Randomness is trivial. It's existence is arbitrary.
http://sciphysicsopenmanuscript.blogspot.com/
http://sciphysicsopenmanuscript.blogspot.com/
http://sciphysicsopenmanuscript.blogspot.com/
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