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User: "OsherD"
Date: 15 Oct 2006 11:58:19 PM
Object: Profiles in Nonconformity: Sir Roger Penrose and the Complex Decoding of the Universe

From Osher Doctorow


Sir Roger Penrose is and has usually been a Nonconformist (one has only
to look at his championing of Consciousness, black holes, and twistor
theory for this), but his most remarkable achievement is arguably his
persistence in following through with complex analysis (including
higher dimensional complex spaces) in his twistor program.
I have discussed relationships between Probable Influence/Causation
(PI) and complex analysis in various of my sci.physics threads, but Sir
Roger's recent semi-popular book with many equations (surprising for
books supposed to appeal to the general public), The Road to Reality,
Knopf: N.Y. 2005, with 1099 pages, reveals a surprising humility and an
admission that twistor theory hasn't accomplished most of his key goals
although he is convinced that it is probably correct. But it is also
exceptionally valuable for focusing on the key role of complex analysis
including in higher dimensions in twistors.
What emerges from this volume and from my recent threads on PI seems to
be a startling conclusion or near-conclusion, namely that complex
analysis is a type of code or cryptographics of the Universe which,
although it may be less accurate and less comprehensive than Probable
Influence/Causation (PI), often goes in a similar direction to PI.
A second conclusion is arguably that both PI and complex analysis work
largely through an unexpected characteristic, namely that they are
fundamental to phase changes or phase differences (phase in the sense
of liquid, solid, gas, superfluid, superconductor, plasma, black hole,
liquid crystal, etc.).
In many ways, it helps to look at quaternions for understanding this,
and in fact quaternions and possibly octonions share some of the
characteristics referred to in the last two paragraphs.
Let's look at a complex variable z:
1) z = y + xi, x and y real
The algebra or field of complex numbers doesn't emphasize this overtly,
but if one looks very carefully at (1), a curious characteristic
emerges: namely, that x and y are kept separate by the expression y +
xi. Moreover, they are kept separate in large degree or amount by the
rules of the algebra or field as in addition and multiplication, but
with some curious and yet specifiable interactions.
What am I getting at here? Well, two phases in the above sense differ
by being SEPARATE. The habit of studying Proximity via PI sensitizes
one to this, arguably more than the habit of studying geometry using
metrics.
Now look at this:
2) z1z2 = (y1 + ix1)(y2 + ix2) = (y1y2 - x1x2) + i(x1y2 + x2y1)
where z1 = y1 + ix1, etc. Compare this with:
3) P(A-->B) = (x --> y) = 1 + y - x
and therefore:
4) (x1-->y1)(x2-->y2) = (1 + y1 - x1)(1 + y2 - x2) = (y1y2 + x1x2) -
(x1y2 + y2x1) + U
where U is given by:
5) U = 1 + y1 + y2 - x1 - x2
Notice that except for U, the minus (negative) sign in (4) corresponds
to the i in (2), while the terms with + signs when parentheses are
dropped (opened) correspond to the non-i terms in (2).
This means that, up to U, PI multiplication and complex multiplication
both keep the same expressions separate. Actually, even in U of (5),
the cause vs effect terms (respectively xi vs yi) are kept separate by
signs, although the "sign convention" in this respect differs from its
usage outside U. Also in U, the omnipresent 1 of PI occurs.
Readers can try some open ended homework and apply the above ideas to
quaternions or to "mostly complex" analogs of quaternions with j and k
added to the "basis" i and with now x = P(A), y = P(AB), z = P(B), so
that for example we get:
6) (1 + y1 - x1 - z1)(1 + y2 - x2 - z2)
as a multiplicative expression in PI corresponding to quaternion:
7) (y1 + ix1 + jz1)(y2 + ix2 + jz2), ij = k, ji = -k
Once again remarkable separations of variables and their products
relating to cause vs effect terms occur, although with somewhat more
complicated rules.
Osher Doctorow
.

User: "Anabaena Microcystis"

Title: Re: Profiles in Nonconformity: Sir Roger Penrose and the Complex Decoding of the Universe 18 Oct 2006 08:36:48 AM
"OsherD" <
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From Osher Doctorow



Sir Roger Penrose is and has usually been a Nonconformist (one has only
to look at his championing of Consciousness, black holes, and twistor
theory for this), but his most remarkable achievement is arguably his
persistence in following through with complex analysis (including
higher dimensional complex spaces) in his twistor program.

I have discussed relationships between Probable Influence/Causation
(PI) and complex analysis in various of my sci.physics threads, but Sir
Roger's recent semi-popular book with many equations (surprising for
books supposed to appeal to the general public), The Road to Reality,
Knopf: N.Y. 2005, with 1099 pages, reveals a surprising humility and an
admission that twistor theory hasn't accomplished most of his key goals
although he is convinced that it is probably correct. But it is also
exceptionally valuable for focusing on the key role of complex analysis
including in higher dimensions in twistors.

What emerges from this volume and from my recent threads on PI seems to
be a startling conclusion or near-conclusion, namely that complex
analysis is a type of code or cryptographics of the Universe which,
although it may be less accurate and less comprehensive than Probable
Influence/Causation (PI), often goes in a similar direction to PI.

A second conclusion is arguably that both PI and complex analysis work
largely through an unexpected characteristic, namely that they are
fundamental to phase changes or phase differences (phase in the sense
of liquid, solid, gas, superfluid, superconductor, plasma, black hole,
liquid crystal, etc.).

In many ways, it helps to look at quaternions for understanding this,
and in fact quaternions and possibly octonions share some of the
characteristics referred to in the last two paragraphs.

Let's look at a complex variable z:

1) z = y + xi, x and y real

The algebra or field of complex numbers doesn't emphasize this overtly,
but if one looks very carefully at (1), a curious characteristic
emerges: namely, that x and y are kept separate by the expression y +
xi. Moreover, they are kept separate in large degree or amount by the
rules of the algebra or field as in addition and multiplication, but
with some curious and yet specifiable interactions.

What am I getting at here? Well, two phases in the above sense differ
by being SEPARATE. The habit of studying Proximity via PI sensitizes
one to this, arguably more than the habit of studying geometry using
metrics.

Now look at this:

2) z1z2 = (y1 + ix1)(y2 + ix2) = (y1y2 - x1x2) + i(x1y2 + x2y1)

where z1 = y1 + ix1, etc. Compare this with:

3) P(A-->B) = (x --> y) = 1 + y - x

and therefore:

4) (x1-->y1)(x2-->y2) = (1 + y1 - x1)(1 + y2 - x2) = (y1y2 + x1x2) -
(x1y2 + y2x1) + U

where U is given by:

5) U = 1 + y1 + y2 - x1 - x2

Notice that except for U, the minus (negative) sign in (4) corresponds
to the i in (2), while the terms with + signs when parentheses are
dropped (opened) correspond to the non-i terms in (2).

that is wrong.
i = sqrt (-1)
Eqn 4 has nothing to do with Eqn 2.
try again.
.
User: "OsherD"

Title: Re: Profiles in Nonconformity: Sir Roger Penrose and the Complex Decoding of the Universe 19 Oct 2006 10:48:57 PM
Anabaena Microcystis (of the usual invalid at invalid dot com graffiti
artists and trolls on sci.physics) typed:

that is wrong.
i = sqrt (-1)
Eqn 4 has nothing to do with Eqn 2.
try again.

This latest "fad" of using women's names (distorted or not) to write
nonsense "comments" having nothing to do with anything arguably
originates in the subconscious of MoveOn.Org type propagandists who
make standard lists of "underdogs" in their quest for the Golden
Pluralist Humanity which ignores almost every Individual in the human
species. It is definitely neither quantitative science nor
mathematics.
Osher
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User: "OsherD"

Title: Re: Profiles in Nonconformity: Sir Roger Penrose and the Complex Decoding of the Universe 16 Oct 2006 12:10:45 AM

From Osher Doctorow


I hasten to add that Sir Roger doesn't know me from Adam, and in fact
the last I heard he was resolutely opposed to the internet. However,
since I'm not the subject of the physics Knowledge (although my ideas
might be), this is almost irrelevant.
For those who might be interested in a slightly stranger aspect of all
this, remotely in the sense of Quantum Strangeness, recall that Sir
Roger began his work in what arguably is the strangest phase difference
or different phase of all, black holes.
In psychology, the ability to know the differences between stimuli
("different phases" included) is called Discrimination, and the ability
to know similarities between stimuli is called Integration
(Generalization would be a better word, but it's already used in
psychology for what we call "over-generalization" in everyday life).
So it might be a characteristic of Creative Genius and Nonconformity of
the best kind to Discriminate and Integrate in the above senses.
Osher Doctorow
.
User: "OsherD"

Title: Re: Profiles in Nonconformity: Sir Roger Penrose and the Complex Decoding of the Universe 16 Oct 2006 12:29:24 AM

From Osher Doctorow


But the careful reader will note that P(A), P(B), and P(AB) are not
orthogonal in general, and that x (= P(A)) and y (= P(AB)) are not
orthogonal in general, so the question arises as to why we have this
curious correspondence between PI and complex and quaternion analysis.
That's it! We habitually believe that "orthogonality" underlies
physics, even when we allow ourselves the luxury of "temporarily" using
Non-Euclidean geometry. And I pointed out in a recent Section of this
thread that there is much to be said in favor of Euclidean geometry
underlying it all in a certain sense, and researchers are increasingly
of this opinion (as I said there). But it isn't arguably the
orthogonality of Euclidean geometry that makes it so useful, but rather
the SEPARATION that happens to adhere to orthogonal spatial directions.
If we are careful to keep track of our variables, almost ANY variables
or quantities like P(A), P(B), and P(AB) can replace x, y, z, even if
they aren't in general orthogonal, and still keep the idea of
separation which is at the heart of Euclidean geometry. It is also
true that SIMPLICITY joins separation in being greater for Euclidean
than for much of Non-Euclidean geometry, but with great care we can
keep that also for Probable Influence/Causation (PI) and other fields.
Osher Doctorow
.
User: "OsherD"

Title: Re: Profiles in Nonconformity: Sir Roger Penrose and the Complex Decoding of the Universe 16 Oct 2006 12:41:05 AM

From Osher Doctorow


How does one know in general whether arbitrary variables are actually
"separate" or not, either always or in various scenarios?
In the case of probability, it turns out that P(A), P(B), and P(AB),
the respective probabilities of A, B, and the intersection of A and B,
are linearly independent (which is unrelated to probabilistic or
statistical independence):
1) k1P(A) + k2P(B) + k3P(AB) = 0 has no solution but k1 = 0, k2 = 0, k3
= 0 for the other quantities time-varying (that is to say, for example,
P(A) is what in usual probability would have a time index or time
argument, P_t(A) or P(A, t), and is not trivial).
In fact, the only general relationship among all three of P(A), P(B),
and P(AB) is:
2) P(A U B) = P(A) + P(B) - P(AB)
where P(A U B) is the probability of the union of A and/or B, that is
to say the probability of A or B or their intersection. Knowing just
two of these quantities, such as P(A) and P(B), will not determine the
third and fourth.
Osher Doctorow
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