Science > Physics > Proof for the existence of telepathy (schizophrenia as neurosis)
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"Fabrizio J. Bonsignore" |
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05 Oct 2004 06:53:52 AM |
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Proof for the existence of telepathy (schizophrenia as neurosis) |
If telepathy exists, severe schizophrenics (hearing voices) are very
popular (or impopular) people at the moment or before the illness
starts, while mild schizophrenics would be rather solitary or unknown
people. This can be correlated statistically through clinical
histories.
The idea was of course suggested by A Beautiful Mind. A huge
intelligence, if correlated to a more efficient use of brain
resources, would be more likely to have, lets call it the framework to
tune other minds, independently of the way the signals are transmitted
(see possibility of telepathy in my other posts). If that person goes
famous the quantity of information received through this channel would
be such that a severe schizophrenia would be manifest, although a high
intelligence would be able to handle the information overload without
breaking his ability to interact with others. Given that envy is one
of the most powerful human motives, short of love and downright hate,
a famous or popular person that is receiving the thoughts of others
would receive lots of negative thoughts, most of them envious
appreciations of the true personality. If coupled with a soft
character that depends on what others think, an overload of telepathic
jealous thoughts would lead to suicide, though this can be true even
if there is no overload but the receptive individual is constantly in
the mind of a judging somebody else.
Schizophrenia, or telepathy, may be more common than we admit because
of the fear of being called a schizo, psychotic. It may well be that
successful telepaths learned ways to avoid the extraneous channel from
disrupting their everyday life, while unsuccessful telepaths would
allow telepathy to interrupt their normal lives and would then show
the normal symptoms like speaking alone, distraction, impossibility to
concentrate or understand a conversation, etc.
If the hypothesis holds, schizophrenia can be treated as a neurosis,
an adaptation problem, through social deprivation and/or by distancing
from the community where the individual is well known.
The merit of this hypothesis is that it can investigated by revising
the current accumulated corps of clinical studies through the use of
statistics.
Danilo J Bonsignore
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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| Title: Re: Proof for the existence of telepathy (schizophrenia as neurosis) |
05 Oct 2004 11:24:47 AM |
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"Fabrizio J. Bonsignore" wrote:
If telepathy exists,
*****.
Uplink and downlink bandwidth, channel crosstalk, radiated power. EEG
shows typical cerebral frequencies below 20 Hz. 6 billion people, 60
W between their ears. 360 billion watts 24/7 pushed into a 20 Hz
bandwidth. NO telepathy.
[snip crap]
The merit of this hypothesis is that it can investigated by revising
the current accumulated corps of clinical studies through the use of
statistics.
Say the magic word, "ANOVA!" Ha ha ha. When did a psychologist ever
arrive at an empirically valid anything? Heteroskedasticity!
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "G=EMC^2 Glazier" |
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| Title: Re: Proof for the existence of telepathy (schizophrenia asneurosis) |
05 Oct 2004 12:47:57 PM |
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I have Treb who is my anti-twin. He lives in our parrel universe just
half the length of a Planck length from me.(very thin membrane) We have
found away to comunicate. It was not easy,but now Treb is the best
friend I have in all the universes combined. We love each other. Bert
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| User: "Fabrizio J. Bonsignore" |
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| Title: Re: Proof for the existence of telepathy (schizophrenia as neurosis) |
05 Oct 2004 07:44:51 PM |
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(G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote in message news:<596-4162DE4D-143@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>...
I have Treb who is my anti-twin. He lives in our parrel universe just
half the length of a Planck length from me.(very thin membrane) We have
found away to comunicate. It was not easy,but now Treb is the best
friend I have in all the universes combined. We love each other. Bert
If that`s true, congratulations, you just revealed one of the biggest
misteries of this world. Can you propose a way to coroborate it?
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| User: "G=EMC^2 Glazier" |
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06 Oct 2004 02:56:23 PM |
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Hi Fabrizio Showing that Treb transmits thoughts in my mind,and visa
versa is not easy. If I did not know this to be true I would not post
it. Think of it like an electron being in two places at once(True but
go prove it) For me to know about Treb is based on our mutual acceptance
that we both exist in very close spacetime. Are thought EM waves are
received by us instantly. In reality there is no space between us. This
makes things very "tricky",but not if you bring in the real universe of
quantum weirdness.(we in the macro realm can't "relate" to Fabrizo I
play chess with Treb(I know it) and you will say I'm playing chess with
myself. (go figure) Bert
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| User: "Fabrizio J. Bonsignore" |
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| Title: Re: Proof for the existence of telepathy (schizophrenia as neurosis) |
09 Oct 2004 04:15:54 PM |
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(G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote in message news:<18329-41644DE7-39@storefull-3175.bay.webtv.net>...
Hi Fabrizio Showing that Treb transmits thoughts in my mind,and visa
versa is not easy. If I did not know this to be true I would not post
it. Think of it like an electron being in two places at once(True but
go prove it) For me to know about Treb is based on our mutual acceptance
that we both exist in very close spacetime. Are thought EM waves are
received by us instantly. In reality there is no space between us. This
makes things very "tricky",but not if you bring in the real universe of
quantum weirdness.(we in the macro realm can't "relate" to Fabrizo I
play chess with Treb(I know it) and you will say I'm playing chess with
myself. (go figure) Bert
I *may* accept what you say but then it can be a hallucination, a
mental problem (real schizophrenia, no offense) or telepathy. How do
you know it has to do with quantum weirdness? The difference is that
your hypothesis cannot be related at least given our current
knowledge, to any means of corroboration. the hypothesis I propose can
be both tested, however imperfectly through statistics and
corroborated, through application of the predicted therapy. In fact,
you can even test the predicted therapies having control groups.
Though your explanation may be sound, there is no way to cooroborate
and by the application of Occam's razor should be rejected. What
predictions can you make in case your hypothesis were true? If Bert
*really* knows, he knows much more than we do, so he should be able to
grant you advanced knowledge, advanced compared to our current state
of the art in science. YOu should be a great scientist, or at least be
ahead in technology, or sociology or, at the very, very least, have a
great and demostrabble originaluty and creativity assuming both
realities are so different that we can actually consider them two
different realities... If they are so similar, sorry, you must try
another explanation...
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| User: "Alfred Einstead" |
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06 Oct 2004 04:50:46 PM |
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Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote:
Uplink and downlink bandwidth, channel crosstalk, radiated power. EEG
shows typical cerebral frequencies below 20 Hz.
My reaction time has been clocked at 7 milliseconds. In many cases,
my reactions on the order of 10-20 milliseconds have involved complex
sequential logical and intelligent decision making and have been
accompanied by a perception and full awareness of the passage of
time at this time scale (and a perception of everyone else being
as dead as a rock, during the occurrence). Correspondingly, I can
consistently stop a stopwatch down to the 0.01 to 0.02 second range
of a preselected target.
In humans, the interneural spike frequency is on the order of 100 Hz,
and I'm pretty sure that (at least in some) neurotransmitters are
being employed which enable transmission at much higher speeds
corresponding to a latency on the order of 1-5 milliseconds.
More generally, the bandwidth argument is attacked at an oblique
angle calling into the question the premise of telepathy involving
any communication at all. Correlation does not imply causation or
a signalling link. At root is the question of the existence of
significant and meaningful acausal correlations at either the
mesoscopic or macroscopic level.
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| User: "John Sefton" |
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| Title: Re: Proof for the existence of telepathy (schizophrenia as neurosis) |
05 Oct 2004 02:00:32 PM |
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Uncle Al wrote:
"Fabrizio J. Bonsignore" wrote:
If telepathy exists,
*****.
Uplink and downlink bandwidth, channel crosstalk, radiated power. EEG
shows typical cerebral frequencies below 20 Hz. 6 billion people, 60
W between their ears. 360 billion watts 24/7 pushed into a 20 Hz
bandwidth. NO telepathy.
[snip crap]
The merit of this hypothesis is that it can investigated by revising
the current accumulated corps of clinical studies through the use of
statistics.
Say the magic word, "ANOVA!" Ha ha ha. When did a psychologist ever
arrive at an empirically valid anything? Heteroskedasticity!
I have perceived numerous instances of telepathy-
and acted successfully in some instances because of them.
But maybe it is something you have to let happen
rather than make happen, and as such maybe it can't be
controlled. Or probably one has to be able to control
one's own thoughts before being able to perceive which
are one's own and which are the other's.
John
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| User: "Fabrizio J. Bonsignore" |
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06 Oct 2004 01:13:17 AM |
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John Sefton <john@petcom.com> wrote in message news:<4162EF50.4080902@petcom.com>...
Uncle Al wrote:
"Fabrizio J. Bonsignore" wrote:
If telepathy exists,
*****.
Uplink and downlink bandwidth, channel crosstalk, radiated power. EEG
shows typical cerebral frequencies below 20 Hz. 6 billion people, 60
W between their ears. 360 billion watts 24/7 pushed into a 20 Hz
bandwidth. NO telepathy.
[snip crap]
The merit of this hypothesis is that it can investigated by revising
the current accumulated corps of clinical studies through the use of
statistics.
Say the magic word, "ANOVA!" Ha ha ha. When did a psychologist ever
arrive at an empirically valid anything? Heteroskedasticity!
I have perceived numerous instances of telepathy-
and acted successfully in some instances because of them.
But maybe it is something you have to let happen
rather than make happen, and as such maybe it can't be
controlled. Or probably one has to be able to control
one's own thoughts before being able to perceive which
are one's own and which are the other's.
John
Thoughts distinguish themselves clearly. One morning I was very asleep
when I heard my mother yell my name with so much desperation that I
woke up immediately and jumped out of the bed to the kitchen, only to
find that she was frustrated opening the cat food can. The fact is
that both doors were closed and I heard her yell very clearly as if
she was in the room. I heard it in the back of my head. I woke up so
fast that I could distinguish that what I `heard` was not sound. She
looked befuddled when I told her that she had awaken me only to feed
the cats...
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| User: "Morituri-Max" |
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| Title: Re: Proof for the existence of telepathy (schizophrenia as neurosis) |
06 Oct 2004 03:06:50 PM |
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Fabrizio J. Bonsignore wrote:
Thoughts distinguish themselves clearly. One morning I was very asleep
when I heard my mother yell my name with so much desperation that I
woke up immediately and jumped out of the bed to the kitchen, only to
find that she was frustrated opening the cat food can. The fact is
that both doors were closed and I heard her yell very clearly as if
she was in the room. I heard it in the back of my head. I woke up so
fast that I could distinguish that what I `heard` was not sound. She
looked befuddled when I told her that she had awaken me only to feed
the cats...
You "think" you can distinguish it.. you need to have other people outside of
yourself see if they can verify what you claim in a series of tests that depend
on more than your heresay.
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| User: "Fabrizio J. Bonsignore" |
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07 Oct 2004 04:37:10 AM |
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"Morituri-Max" <newage@sendarico.net> wrote in message news:<ufY8d.1526$sY3.528@fe2.texas.rr.com>...
Fabrizio J. Bonsignore wrote:
Thoughts distinguish themselves clearly. One morning I was very asleep
when I heard my mother yell my name with so much desperation that I
woke up immediately and jumped out of the bed to the kitchen, only to
find that she was frustrated opening the cat food can. The fact is
that both doors were closed and I heard her yell very clearly as if
she was in the room. I heard it in the back of my head. I woke up so
fast that I could distinguish that what I `heard` was not sound. She
looked befuddled when I told her that she had awaken me only to feed
the cats...
You "think" you can distinguish it.. you need to have other people outside of
yourself see if they can verify what you claim in a series of tests that depend
on more than your heresay.
So, you already forgot the main article of this thread?
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| User: "Morituri-Max" |
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07 Oct 2004 01:43:03 PM |
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Fabrizio J. Bonsignore wrote:
Thoughts distinguish themselves clearly. One morning I was very asleep
when I heard my mother yell my name with so much desperation that I
woke up immediately and jumped out of the bed to the kitchen, only to
find that she was frustrated opening the cat food can. The fact is
that both doors were closed and I heard her yell very clearly as if
she was in the room. I heard it in the back of my head. I woke up so
fast that I could distinguish that what I `heard` was not sound. She
looked befuddled when I told her that she had awaken me only to feed
the cats...
You "think" you can distinguish it.. you need to have other people outside of
yourself see if they can verify what you claim in a series of tests that
depend
on more than your heresay.
So, you already forgot the main article of this thread?
nope.. i am referring to the above part..
have a good one
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| User: "Mike" |
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06 Oct 2004 12:55:06 PM |
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(Fabrizio J. Bonsignore) wrote in message news:<768f7623.0410050353.71bd3cf8@posting.google.com>...
If telepathy exists, severe schizophrenics (hearing voices) are very
popular (or impopular) people at the moment or before the illness
starts, while mild schizophrenics would be rather solitary or unknown
people. This can be correlated statistically through clinical
histories.
[snip crap]
Before you plunge into statistics, a logic lession:
If the moon is made of cheese, then Empire State is In New York
The above is a true statement. Every false proposition implies a true
proposition.
If you now assert that because the Empire State is in New York, then
the moon is made of cheese,
this is called the fallacy of affirming the consequent. A formal
fallacy.
Does it sound familiar to you? If not, read your crap again. See how
many logical fallacies you got there.
You cannot make a hypothesis, draw conclusion from it, then assert
because these conclusions test statistically significant, the
hypothesis is true. All you have done is test the conclusions. What
you have not shown is how in a deductive way you arrive from the
hypothesis to the conclusions. In your case, it was an assumed
material implication stoooooooooooooooooooopid.
Mike
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| User: "Morituri-Max" |
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06 Oct 2004 03:07:30 PM |
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Mike wrote:
You cannot make a hypothesis, draw conclusion from it, then assert
because these conclusions test statistically significant, the
hypothesis is true. All you have done is test the conclusions. What
you have not shown is how in a deductive way you arrive from the
hypothesis to the conclusions. In your case, it was an assumed
material implication stoooooooooooooooooooopid.
Amen!
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| User: "Fabrizio J. Bonsignore" |
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10 Oct 2004 05:17:37 AM |
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"Morituri-Max" <newage@sendarico.net> wrote in message news:<6gY8d.1527$sY3.1248@fe2.texas.rr.com>...
Mike wrote:
You cannot make a hypothesis, draw conclusion from it, then assert
because these conclusions test statistically significant, the
hypothesis is true. All you have done is test the conclusions. What
you have not shown is how in a deductive way you arrive from the
hypothesis to the conclusions. In your case, it was an assumed
material implication stoooooooooooooooooooopid.
Amen!
Amen to Econometrics. And Mrituri Max IS one of the criminals I have
fighting against... deny it...
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| User: "Joe" |
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09 Oct 2004 04:54:12 PM |
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As someone who has had some dealing with schizophrenia, and
schizophrenics, I have to say I found no evidence of telepathy. This
included for example being involved with some research at NIH and
their inpatient study on schizophrenics (or more specifically people
diagnosed with schizophrenia, or specifically people diagnosed by
DOCTORS, or even more simply, one group of people calling another
group of people a name, and that group turning around and calling the
other group a name). Although I was involved with some of their
research with MRI, PET scan, MEG, EEG, eye scan, medication changes,
and other various tests, I actually probably spent more time on the
psych ward interacting with the patients and the nurses than directly
with the researchers really. (For the time I was there.) I still
keep in touch with some of the patients over e-mail and other ways,
not so the reseaarchers. But anyway, I didn't find any evidence for
telepathy to say. I did though become curious in "hearing voices".
For example, does John Edwards "hear voices" when he talks to the
dead? Do the people of the 700 club, when they get their "word of
knowledge" hear voices? etc.
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| User: "Fabrizio J. Bonsignore" |
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10 Oct 2004 05:16:16 AM |
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You actually tested the hypothesis of telepathy? What do you consider
evidence? Because you didn`t experimenting somebody `reading` your
thoughts doesn`t mean the phenomenon doesn`t exist. That`s why I am
proposing a study that can bring light on the subject or dismiss it
completely for all time. But it must be performed by really
intelectually honest people for there interests to dismiss pr prove
false this interpretation. Non telepaths would feel jealous, real
telepaths may want to hide the fact (and their advantage), armies and
policemen would prefer to keep it secret if it is one of their secret
weapons, psychiatrists would resist change, parapsychologists would
lose their research grants, common people or others would feel scared,
etc.
jhelfand@umd.edu (Joe) wrote in message news:<e62610ea.0410091354.2f13ef17@posting.google.com>...
As someone who has had some dealing with schizophrenia, and
schizophrenics, I have to say I found no evidence of telepathy. This
included for example being involved with some research at NIH and
their inpatient study on schizophrenics (or more specifically people
diagnosed with schizophrenia, or specifically people diagnosed by
DOCTORS, or even more simply, one group of people calling another
group of people a name, and that group turning around and calling the
other group a name). Although I was involved with some of their
research with MRI, PET scan, MEG, EEG, eye scan, medication changes,
and other various tests, I actually probably spent more time on the
psych ward interacting with the patients and the nurses than directly
with the researchers really. (For the time I was there.) I still
keep in touch with some of the patients over e-mail and other ways,
not so the reseaarchers. But anyway, I didn't find any evidence for
telepathy to say. I did though become curious in "hearing voices".
For example, does John Edwards "hear voices" when he talks to the
dead? Do the people of the 700 club, when they get their "word of
knowledge" hear voices? etc.
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| User: "Joe" |
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10 Oct 2004 01:38:58 PM |
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If you want to do these test go ahead. Good luck trying to find
support at NIMH (although I don't know, they do do some weird tests
their). But if you need volunteers, I'll sign up. You can test me
with telepathy. (I don't think I have it.) [But to answer your
question, no there weren't any telepathy tests done at the psych ward
while I was there. I just base my conclusion off of personal
experience.]
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| User: "Fabrizio J. Bonsignore" |
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| Title: Re: Proof for the existence of telepathy (schizophrenia as neurosis) |
10 Oct 2004 08:16:51 PM |
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(Joe) wrote in message news:<e62610ea.0410101038.7591aa04@posting.google.com>...
If you want to do these test go ahead. Good luck trying to find
support at NIMH (although I don't know, they do do some weird tests
their). But if you need volunteers, I'll sign up. You can test me
with telepathy. (I don't think I have it.) [But to answer your
question, no there weren't any telepathy tests done at the psych ward
while I was there. I just base my conclusion off of personal
experience.]
Sure, I guess there will be a lot of opposition, as I wrote in another
post of this thread. Have you ever had that experience of turning
around because you thought you heard something, like your name? That
could be a telepathic experience. But the tests I was thinking about
have more to do with lots of psychiatrists comparing their notes about
clinical subjects, crossing them with some measure of `popularity` and
dunping the results into some kind of statistical model to see if the
correlation is meaningful. The advantage is that you already have lots
of data to begin with and little chance to get biased data, though
some of the notes would have to be reassessed to extract or complete
information about the patient`s social life (maybe). I believe that
successful telepaths found a way to mix their telepathy with their
everyday life without ending up in a consultory.
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| User: "Joe" |
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| Title: Re: Proof for the existence of telepathy (schizophrenia as neurosis) |
15 Oct 2004 07:36:04 PM |
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Fabrizio,
Sure, I guess there will be a lot of opposition, as I wrote in another
post of this thread. Have you ever had that experience of turning
around because you thought you heard something, like your name? That
could be a telepathic experience.
I've had weird experiences, but I don't think I'm telepathic. Do you
think you're telepathic? I have to warn you, you may want to be
careful what you say, or the white coats may come after you. Has
anyone ever asked you if you "hear voices"?
But the tests I was thinking about
have more to do with lots of psychiatrists comparing their notes about
clinical subjects, crossing them with some measure of `popularity` and
dunping the results into some kind of statistical model to see if the
correlation is meaningful.
What correlation are you looking for?
The advantage is that you already have lots
of data to begin with and little chance to get biased data, though
some of the notes would have to be reassessed to extract or complete
information about the patient`s social life (maybe). I believe that
successful telepaths found a way to mix their telepathy with their
everyday life without ending up in a consultory.
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| User: "Fabrizio J. Bonsignore" |
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| Title: Re: Proof for the existence of telepathy (schizophrenia as neurosis) |
20 Oct 2004 08:46:21 PM |
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(Joe) wrote in message news:<e62610ea.0410151636.4429e770@posting.google.com>...
Fabrizio,
Sure, I guess there will be a lot of opposition, as I wrote in another
post of this thread. Have you ever had that experience of turning
around because you thought you heard something, like your name? That
could be a telepathic experience.
I've had weird experiences, but I don't think I'm telepathic. Do you
think you're telepathic? I have to warn you, you may want to be
careful what you say, or the white coats may come after you. Has
anyone ever asked you if you "hear voices"?
Everybody must hear voices every so often. It is a matter of how
distracted you are or not, to distinguish between a random noise and
thinking there was a voice in that random noise, or hearing youself
thinking, or imagining if you have a vivid imagination (;)~. But you
would have to go with leaded feet. In order to assess if you heard a
voice or not, you should get information you would not be able to get
other way. That would be telepathy. Otherwise it is your own mind
generating voices.
But the tests I was thinking about
have more to do with lots of psychiatrists comparing their notes about
clinical subjects, crossing them with some measure of `popularity` and
dunping the results into some kind of statistical model to see if the
correlation is meaningful.
What correlation are you looking for?
Severe schizophrenics must have had a really busy social life. I guess
you would have to get some measure from sociometrics. Then you would
need a measure about the severity of an individual`s schizophrenia
(psichiatrists must have some measure, though even a learned guess
would suffice for some kinds of statistical models). Then I expect a
positive correlation. The more social life, the more sever the
schizophrenia.
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| User: "Morituri-Max" |
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| Title: Re: Proof for the existence of telepathy (schizophrenia as neurosis) |
05 Oct 2004 07:22:21 AM |
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Fabrizio J. Bonsignore wrote:
If telepathy exists, severe schizophrenics (hearing voices) are very
It doesn't. At least not in a viable commercial form that can be used
constructively. those who actually possess it won't tell you they do.
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| User: "Fabrizio J. Bonsignore" |
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05 Oct 2004 07:42:38 PM |
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"Morituri-Max" <newage@sendarico.net> wrote in message news:<1mw8d.20394$VB3.16419@fe2.texas.rr.com>...
Fabrizio J. Bonsignore wrote:
If telepathy exists, severe schizophrenics (hearing voices) are very
It doesn't. At least not in a viable commercial form that can be used
constructively. those who actually possess it won't tell you they do.
Have you conducted the research I proposed over a large quantity of cases?
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05 Oct 2004 03:18:43 PM |
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"Morituri-Max" <newage@sendarico.net> wrote in message news:<1mw8d.20394$VB3.16419@fe2.texas.rr.com>...
Fabrizio J. Bonsignore wrote:
If telepathy exists, severe schizophrenics (hearing voices) are very
It doesn't. At least not in a viable commercial form that can be used
constructively. those who actually possess it won't tell you they do.
The Psychic Friends Network went broke. Didn't they see it coming?
Socks
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| User: "B Gilmour" |
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| Title: Re: Proof for the existence of telepathy (schizophrenia as neurosis) |
05 Oct 2004 06:07:23 PM |
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"Morituri-Max" <newage@sendarico.net> wrote in message
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Fabrizio J. Bonsignore wrote:
If telepathy exists, severe schizophrenics (hearing voices) are very
It doesn't. At least not in a viable commercial form that can be used
constructively. those who actually possess it won't tell you they do.
The Psychic Friends Network went broke. Didn't they see it coming?
Socks
If someone ever says they are psychic, your are supposed to haul off and
sucker punch them in the mouth. If they didn't see it coming, they ain't
worth squat.
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| User: "Fabrizio J. Bonsignore" |
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| Title: Re: Proof for the existence of telepathy (schizophrenia as neurosis) |
20 Oct 2004 12:26:20 PM |
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If telepathy exists, severe schizophrenics (hearing voices) are very
popular (or impopular) people at the moment or before the illness
starts, while mild schizophrenics would be rather solitary or unknown
people. This can be correlated statistically through clinical
histories.
The idea was of course suggested by A Beautiful Mind. A huge
intelligence, if correlated to a more efficient use of brain
resources, would be more likely to have, lets call it the framework to
tune other minds, independently of the way the signals are transmitted
(see possibility of telepathy in my other posts). If that person goes
famous the quantity of information received through this channel would
be such that a severe schizophrenia would be manifest, although a high
intelligence would be able to handle the information overload without
breaking his ability to interact with others. Given that envy is one
of the most powerful human motives, short of love and downright hate,
a famous or popular person that is receiving the thoughts of others
would receive lots of negative thoughts, most of them envious
appreciations of the true personality. If coupled with a soft
character that depends on what others think, an overload of telepathic
jealous thoughts would lead to suicide, though this can be true even
if there is no overload but the receptive individual is constantly in
the mind of a judging somebody else.
Schizophrenia, or telepathy, may be more common than we admit because
of the fear of being called a schizo, psychotic. It may well be that
successful telepaths learned ways to avoid the extraneous channel from
disrupting their everyday life, while unsuccessful telepaths would
allow telepathy to interrupt their normal lives and would then show
the normal symptoms like speaking alone, distraction, impossibility to
concentrate or understand a conversation, etc.
If the hypothesis holds, schizophrenia can be treated as a neurosis,
an adaptation problem, through social deprivation and/or by distancing
from the community where the individual is well known.
The merit of this hypothesis is that it can investigated by revising
the current accumulated corps of clinical studies through the use of
statistics.
I have perceived numerous instances of telepathy-
and acted successfully in some instances because of them.
But maybe it is something you have to let happen
rather than make happen, and as such maybe it can't be
controlled. Or probably one has to be able to control
one's own thoughts before being able to perceive which
are one's own and which are the other's.
John
Thoughts distinguish themselves clearly. One morning I was very asleep
when I heard my mother yell my name with so much desperation that I
woke up immediately and jumped out of the bed to the kitchen, only to
find that she was frustrated opening the cat food can. The fact is
that both doors were closed and I heard her yell very clearly as if
she was in the room. I heard it in the back of my head. I woke up so
fast that I could distinguish that what I `heard` was not sound. She
looked befuddled when I told her that she had awaken me only to feed
the cats...
jhelfand@umd.edu (Joe) wrote in message
news:<e62610ea.0410091354.2f13ef17@posting.google.com>...
As someone who has had some dealing with schizophrenia, and
schizophrenics, I have to say I found no evidence of telepathy. This
included for example being involved with some research at NIH and
their inpatient study on schizophrenics (or more specifically people
diagnosed with schizophrenia, or specifically people diagnosed by
DOCTORS, or even more simply, one group of people calling another
group of people a name, and that group turning around and calling the
other group a name). Although I was involved with some of their
research with MRI, PET scan, MEG, EEG, eye scan, medication changes,
and other various tests, I actually probably spent more time on the
psych ward interacting with the patients and the nurses than directly
with the researchers really. (For the time I was there.) I still
keep in touch with some of the patients over e-mail and other ways,
not so the reseaarchers. But anyway, I didn't find any evidence for
telepathy to say. I did though become curious in "hearing voices".
For example, does John Edwards "hear voices" when he talks to the
dead? Do the people of the 700 club, when they get their "word of
knowledge" hear voices? etc.
You actually tested the hypothesis of telepathy? What do you consider
evidence? Because you didn`t experimenting somebody `reading` your
thoughts doesn`t mean the phenomenon doesn`t exist. That`s why I am
proposing a study that can bring light on the subject or dismiss it
completely for all time. But it must be performed by really
intelectually honest people for there interests to dismiss pr prove
false this interpretation. Non telepaths would feel jealous, real
telepaths may want to hide the fact (and their advantage), armies and
policemen would prefer to keep it secret if it is one of their secret
weapons, psychiatrists would resist change, parapsychologists would
lose their research grants, common people or others would feel scared,
etc.
Danilo J Bonsignore
Search `Fabrizio J Bonsignore` in google groups, sort by date
visit ghamac.org
ghamac.org/miniface.jpg
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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| Title: Re: Proof for the existence of telepathy (schizophrenia as neurosis) |
20 Oct 2004 01:10:56 PM |
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"Fabrizio J. Bonsignore" wrote:
If telepathy exists, severe schizophrenics (hearing voices) are very
popular (or impopular) people at the moment or before the illness
starts, while mild schizophrenics would be rather solitary or unknown
people. This can be correlated statistically through clinical
histories.
[snip the same crap again]
1) You are a babbling idiot.
2) You are ineducable.
3) You are boring.
Human EEG tops off around 40 HZ and there are six billion people. Hey
stooopid - where's the bandwidth for isolated uplinks and downlinks?
Jackass. Schumann resonance modes, imbecile.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "Creighton Hogg" |
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| Title: Re: Proof for the existence of telepathy (schizophrenia as neurosis) |
20 Oct 2004 04:26:31 PM |
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On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Uncle Al wrote:
"Fabrizio J. Bonsignore" wrote:
If telepathy exists, severe schizophrenics (hearing voices) are very
popular (or impopular) people at the moment or before the illness
starts, while mild schizophrenics would be rather solitary or unknown
people. This can be correlated statistically through clinical
histories.
[snip the same crap again]
1) You are a babbling idiot.
2) You are ineducable.
3) You are boring.
Human EEG tops off around 40 HZ and there are six billion people. Hey
stooopid - where's the bandwidth for isolated uplinks and downlinks?
Jackass. Schumann resonance modes, imbecile.
Hey Uncle Al,
could you explain what you mean a little more? I looked up Schumann
resonances, and saw that they're EM resonances in the 5-50 Hz range
caused by lightning strikes. Is your point that if we were broadcasting
our thoughts at ~40 Hz range, then we would have seen that in detection of
the Schumann Resonances?
Oh and if anyone cares, the link where I read about Schumann resonances is
http://www.iihr.uiowa.edu/projects/schumann/Index.html
Also, I found something that looked cool.
http://radio-research.bei.t-online.de/project5/schumann1.pdf
It's a guide to building a home-made schumann resonance detector. I'm not
sure if it'd work, but if it did it would be pretty cool.
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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| Title: Re: Proof for the existence of telepathy (schizophrenia as neurosis) |
20 Oct 2004 07:54:19 PM |
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Creighton Hogg wrote:
On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Uncle Al wrote:
"Fabrizio J. Bonsignore" wrote:
If telepathy exists, severe schizophrenics (hearing voices) are very
popular (or impopular) people at the moment or before the illness
starts, while mild schizophrenics would be rather solitary or unknown
people. This can be correlated statistically through clinical
histories.
[snip the same crap again]
1) You are a babbling idiot.
2) You are ineducable.
3) You are boring.
Human EEG tops off around 40 HZ and there are six billion people. Hey
stooopid - where's the bandwidth for isolated uplinks and downlinks?
Jackass. Schumann resonance modes, imbecile.
Hey Uncle Al,
could you explain what you mean a little more? I looked up Schumann
resonances, and saw that they're EM resonances in the 5-50 Hz range
caused by lightning strikes. Is your point that if we were broadcasting
our thoughts at ~40 Hz range, then we would have seen that in detection of
the Schumann Resonances?
Oh and if anyone cares, the link where I read about Schumann resonances is
http://www.iihr.uiowa.edu/projects/schumann/Index.html
Also, I found something that looked cool.
http://radio-research.bei.t-online.de/project5/schumann1.pdf
It's a guide to building a home-made schumann resonance detector. I'm not
sure if it'd work, but if it did it would be pretty cool.
The Earth's ionosphere electromagnetically rings with good overlap
with human EEG outputs. Coincidence? If a child were conceived and
birthed off-planet, would it make a difference? (Other than making
astrologers puke into their pablum.)
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "Fabrizio J. Bonsignore" |
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| Title: Re: Proof for the existence of telepathy (schizophrenia as neurosis) |
20 Oct 2004 08:20:08 PM |
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Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message news:<4176AA30.CBE17AA@hate.spam.net>...
"Fabrizio J. Bonsignore" wrote:
If telepathy exists, severe schizophrenics (hearing voices) are very
popular (or impopular) people at the moment or before the illness
starts, while mild schizophrenics would be rather solitary or unknown
people. This can be correlated statistically through clinical
histories.
[snip the same crap again]
1) You are a babbling idiot.
Show that. Rationally.
2) You are ineducable.
Are you a teacher? Or a babbling flamer.
3) You are boring.
Human EEG tops off around 40 HZ and there are six billion people. Hey
stooopid - where's the bandwidth for isolated uplinks and downlinks?
Jackass. Schumann resonance modes, imbecile.
I don`t care about bandwidth here (see the other thread under my name,
possiblity of...). What I AM talking about is a statistical research
that can be corrobotated (falsified). And there is a forecast that can
be corroborated too. So don`t come here with adjectives. Give me
numbers and clinica cases, that`s his thread for.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Proof for the existence of telepathy (schizophrenia as neurosis) |
15 Dec 2004 02:22:10 PM |
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Keeping this thread alive
Fabrizio J. Bonsignore wrote:
If telepathy exists, severe schizophrenics (hearing voices) are very
popular (or impopular) people at the moment or before the illness
starts, while mild schizophrenics would be rather solitary or unknown
people. This can be correlated statistically through clinical
histories.
The idea was of course suggested by A Beautiful Mind. A huge
intelligence, if correlated to a more efficient use of brain
resources, would be more likely to have, lets call it the framework
to
tune other minds, independently of the way the signals are
transmitted
(see possibility of telepathy in my other posts). If that person goes
famous the quantity of information received through this channel
would
be such that a severe schizophrenia would be manifest, although a
high
intelligence would be able to handle the information overload without
breaking his ability to interact with others. Given that envy is one
of the most powerful human motives, short of love and downright hate,
a famous or popular person that is receiving the thoughts of others
would receive lots of negative thoughts, most of them envious
appreciations of the true personality. If coupled with a soft
character that depends on what others think, an overload of
telepathic
jealous thoughts would lead to suicide, though this can be true even
if there is no overload but the receptive individual is constantly in
the mind of a judging somebody else.
Schizophrenia, or telepathy, may be more common than we admit because
of the fear of being called a schizo, psychotic. It may well be that
successful telepaths learned ways to avoid the extraneous channel
from
disrupting their everyday life, while unsuccessful telepaths would
allow telepathy to interrupt their normal lives and would then show
the normal symptoms like speaking alone, distraction, impossibility
to
concentrate or understand a conversation, etc.
If the hypothesis holds, schizophrenia can be treated as a neurosis,
an adaptation problem, through social deprivation and/or by
distancing
from the community where the individual is well known.
The merit of this hypothesis is that it can investigated by revising
the current accumulated corps of clinical studies through the use of
statistics.
I have perceived numerous instances of telepathy-
and acted successfully in some instances because of them.
But maybe it is something you have to let happen
rather than make happen, and as such maybe it can't be
controlled. Or probably one has to be able to control
one's own thoughts before being able to perceive which
are one's own and which are the other's.
John
Thoughts distinguish themselves clearly. One morning I was very
asleep
when I heard my mother yell my name with so much desperation that I
woke up immediately and jumped out of the bed to the kitchen, only to
find that she was frustrated opening the cat food can. The fact is
that both doors were closed and I heard her yell very clearly as if
she was in the room. I heard it in the back of my head. I woke up so
fast that I could distinguish that what I `heard` was not sound. She
looked befuddled when I told her that she had awaken me only to feed
the cats...
jhelfand@umd.edu (Joe) wrote in message
news:<e62610ea.0410091354.2f13ef17@posting.google.com>...
As someone who has had some dealing with schizophrenia, and
schizophrenics, I have to say I found no evidence of telepathy.
This
included for example being involved with some research at NIH and
their inpatient study on schizophrenics (or more specifically
people
diagnosed with schizophrenia, or specifically people diagnosed by
DOCTORS, or even more simply, one group of people calling another
group of people a name, and that group turning around and calling
the
other group a name). Although I was involved with some of their
research with MRI, PET scan, MEG, EEG, eye scan, medication
changes,
and other various tests, I actually probably spent more time on the
psych ward interacting with the patients and the nurses than
directly
with the researchers really. (For the time I was there.) I still
keep in touch with some of the patients over e-mail and other ways,
not so the reseaarchers. But anyway, I didn't find any evidence
for
telepathy to say. I did though become curious in "hearing voices".
For example, does John Edwards "hear voices" when he talks to the
dead? Do the people of the 700 club, when they get their "word of
knowledge" hear voices? etc.
You actually tested the hypothesis of telepathy? What do you consider
evidence? Because you didn`t experimenting somebody `reading` your
thoughts doesn`t mean the phenomenon doesn`t exist. That`s why I am
proposing a study that can bring light on the subject or dismiss it
completely for all time. But it must be performed by really
intelectually honest people for there interests to dismiss pr prove
false this interpretation. Non telepaths would feel jealous, real
telepaths may want to hide the fact (and their advantage), armies and
policemen would prefer to keep it secret if it is one of their secret
weapons, psychiatrists would resist change, parapsychologists would
lose their research grants, common people or others would feel
scared,
etc.
Danilo J Bonsignore
Search `Fabrizio J Bonsignore` in google groups, sort by date
visit ghamac.org
ghamac.org/miniface.jpg
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