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Topic:	Science > Physics
User:	"Wizard of Odd"
Date:	30 Sep 2005 08:19:31 AM
Object:	Psychic Powers - Human Potential Beyond The Physical

This scientific website actually offers tests to prove that human
potential goes far beyond the physical.
Register and have a go to see if you have psi-powers. They key is not
predicting what comes next but actually influencing the computer to
come up with the result you desire:
http://www.gotpsi.org/bi/gotpsi.htm
http://www.boundary.org/randomness.htm
'Significant deviations have been noted in the randomness of data from
these Random Number Generators around times of major events in the
world'.
Scientific Papers:
http://www.boundary.org/
http://www.boundary.org/experimental.htm
'It is really quite amazing by what margins competent but conservative
scientists and engineers can miss the mark, when they start with the
preconceived idea that what they are investigating is impossible. When
this happens, the most well-informed men become blinded by their
prejudices and are unable to see what lies directly ahead of them.' --
Arthur C. Clarke, 1963
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User: "Bryan Olson"
Title: Re: Psychic Powers - Human Potential Beyond The Physical	12 Oct 2005 01:53:33 PM

Wizard of Odd followed-up my post, but snipped every
word of mine and wrote:

The Prediction Step By Step:
1. Friday - Correct (1 Point)

You named a specific Friday, and you were wrong.

2. 12th August - Incorrect (0 Point)
3. Airport (75% sure) - Correct (.75 point)
4. Manchester - Correct 1 Point

No terrorist attack happened at the Manchester airport.

5. The 24th Sep News Report in the morning indicated it was a terrorist
attack. - Correct (1 Point)

You didn't predict an odd but innocent act would be
misinterpreted as terrorism; you predicted terrorism.
Your prediction was just plain wrong. And again:
Had you not given a (wrong) date, which you did, and had
people taken you seriously, which they did not and should
not, your prediction would have been significantly worse
than useless. The issue in this incident was the question
of whether the act indicated terrorist activity. Your
prediction was on the wrong side.
Fortunately, people know not to take you seriously, so
your prediction was only trivially worse than useless.
--
--Bryan
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User: "Wizard of Odd"
Title: Re: Psychic Powers - Human Potential Beyond The Physical	14 Oct 2005 06:14:18 AM

Bryan Olson says:
"Wizard of Odd followed-up my post, but snipped every word of mine and
wrote:"
Google didn't include your post when I replied.

The Prediction Step By Step:
1. Friday - Correct (1 Point)

"You named a specific Friday, and you were wrong. "
"You didn't predict an odd but innocent act would be
misinterpreted as terrorism; you predicted terrorism."
"Your prediction was just plain wrong. And again:"
"Had you not given a (wrong) date, which you did, and had
people taken you seriously, which they did not and should
not, your prediction would have been significantly worse
than useless. The issue in this incident was the question
of whether the act indicated terrorist activity. Your
prediction was on the wrong side."
"Fortunately, people know not to take you seriously, so
your prediction was only trivially worse than useless. "
This is evidence of a quantum wormhole, where thought energy
transferred from event2 to event1. Watching the news report in the
morning at event2 saying it was a foiled terrorist attack created the
link to event1, how can you disregard it just because the later news
report indicated the opposite.
This wormhole is above space and time, it can be plainly seen why it
was created. The data transferred through it's throat was in a sympathy
vibration with event1(London Bombs News Report).
People who use real magic can create the right vibration using powerful
symbols inherent in the fabric of the universe(Macrocosm/Microcosm) -
As Above So Below. The pentagram is a very potent symbol with it's
association with the golden ratio and the number 5.
Why does the human body follow the golden ratio?
Why did Leonardo da Vinci produce Vitruvian Man with man in the
structure of a pentagram?
http://www.crystalinks.com/davinci.html
Every man and every woman is a star:
How can you define a genius?
http://www.angelfire.com/id/robpurvis/pentagram.html
Circled Pentagram:
"A circle around a pentagram contains and protects. The circle
symbolises eternity and infinity, the cycles of life and nature. The
circle touching all 5 points indicates that the spirit, earth, air,
water and fire are all connected."
Realise we are more powerful than you could ever dream. This is why the
media is dumbed down, following the same mundane format too brainwash
the masses out of their true inheritence.
There are more things in the universe and beyond.
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User: ""
Title: Re: Psychic Powers - Human Potential Beyond The Physical	14 Oct 2005 06:24:26 AM

Meow, meow, meow, meow,
Meow, meow, meow, meow,
Meow, meow, meow, meow,
Meow, meow, meow, meow.
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User: "Bryan Olson"
Title: Re: Psychic Powers - Human Potential Beyond The Physical	14 Oct 2005 07:36:32 AM

Wizard of Odd wrote:

Bryan Olson says:

"Wizard of Odd followed-up my post, but snipped every word of
mine and wrote:"

Google didn't include your post when I replied.

Google works differently for you than for everyone else?
[At the time Google released their new groups system, I was a
Google software engineer. I assure you that I did not plant
some trick to make your posts misbehave.]
Check out the message in question, as Google shows it:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.skeptic/msg/c0fa78ff5f883102
It has no "- Show quoted text -" links; I expect that is
because you quoted no text. Snipping so as to include only
the text to which one is responding is good practice, but
why pretend to respond to my post while snipping every
single word I wrote?

The Prediction Step By Step:
1. Friday - Correct (1 Point)

"This is evidence" of your self-delusion. Wrong, worse than
useless predictions do not depend upon quantum worm-holes.

Watching the news report in the
morning at event2 saying it was a foiled terrorist attack created the
link to event1, how can you disregard it just because the later news
report indicated the opposite.

You might want to disreguard it, but sorry, no; it stands a
wrong prediction.

This wormhole is above space and time, it can be plainly seen why it
was created. The data transferred through it's throat was in a sympathy
vibration with event1(London Bombs News Report).

You seem about as closed-minded a person as ever I have
encountered. You initiated this thread, noting an experiment on
paranormal influence of random numbers. The results of that
experiment, as far as they were reported, showed no such
phenomenon. Unfortunately, those particular experimenters have
been derelict in reporting their results.
Fortunately, there is a much larger and better experiment on the
subject. Do you still want to know how well Psychic Powers can
influence random numbers? Here it is:
http://www.fourmilab.ch/rpkp/experiments/summary/
The Parapsychology literature had conjectured an explanation
that tied consciousness to quantum-theory. That explanation
turned out to be nonsense; the real explanation is that some
experimenters had botched the job and fooled themselves.

People who use real magic can create the right vibration using powerful

[...]
The number of such people has never been shown to larger than zero.
--
--Bryan
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User: "Autymn D. C."
Title: Re: Psychic Powers - Human Potential Beyond The Physical	16 Oct 2005 09:36:24 PM

Bryan Olson wrote:

Wizard of Odd wrote:

Bryan Olson says:

"Wizard of Odd followed-up my post, but snipped every word of
mine and wrote:"

Google didn't include your post when I replied.

You were? Cool! Why is it that after I post a message, I see my name
in the index but it doesn't link to the message in the other frame, and
after I reload the page, the name disappears, and after I reload again,
the name reappears with the link fixed and the message there? Why is
it that deleting messages from Google Groups still lets others see the
message? Why do the servers not accept extended characters such as the
em dash or infinity, in the Mac or other character set? Why does it
not yell at people for cascading? Why do long threads crossposted to
other groups (sci.math, sci.physics.particle) show up when clicked in
those groups, but not for sci.physics? The thread title sometimes even
disappears from sci.physics's index, so I must find it in the other
groups. Why doesn't Google tell who owns and moderates the groups?
Why is it that the search engine sometimes misses messages by poster's
name, but not by email address? Is there a way to censor or disable
email address searches?

http://www.fourmilab.ch/rpkp/experiments/summary/

The Parapsychology literature had conjectured an explanation
that tied consciousness to quantum-theory. That explanation
turned out to be nonsense; the real explanation is that some
experimenters had botched the job and fooled themselves.

These are results for all takers. What about tests for individual
performances?
-Aut
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User: "Bryan Olson"
Title: Re: Psychic Powers - Human Potential Beyond The Physical	16 Oct 2005 09:57:29 PM

Autymn D. C. wrote:

Bryan Olson wrote:

Wizard of Odd wrote:

Bryan Olson says:

"Wizard of Odd followed-up my post, but snipped every word of
mine and wrote:"

Google didn't include your post when I replied.

You were? Cool! Why is it that after I post a message, I see my name
in the index but it doesn't link to the message in the other frame, and

[...]
It's largely because you choose to use it.

These are results for all takers. What about tests for individual
performances?

All the data is available to you, for whatever anaysis you wish to
do:
http://www.fourmilab.ch/rpkp/experiments/analysis/
So far the results are indistinguishable from chance, and resoundingly
refute previous reports of a paranormal phenominon as published in
the literature of the field.
--
--Bryan
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User: "Autymn D. C."
Title: Re: Psychic Powers - Human Potential Beyond The Physical	16 Oct 2005 10:49:36 PM

Bryan Olson wrote:

It's largely because you choose to use it.

use what?

All the data is available to you, for whatever anaysis you wish to
do:

data are

http://www.fourmilab.ch/rpkp/experiments/analysis/

So far the results are indistinguishable from chance, and resoundingly
refute previous reports of a paranormal phenominon as published in
the literature of the field.

fenomenon
I don't see anything on there that says whether individuals
consistently did far from chance.
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User: "Bryan Olson"
Title: Re: Psychic Powers - Human Potential Beyond The Physical	17 Oct 2005 11:20:24 AM

Autymn D. C. wrote:

Bryan Olson wrote:

All the data is available to you, for whatever anaysis you wish to
do:

http://www.fourmilab.ch/rpkp/experiments/analysis/

[...]

I don't see anything on there that says whether individuals
consistently did far from chance.

What you do not see when you do not look is unimportant.
Do you need help designing a statistical test?
--
--Bryan
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User: "Autymn D. C."
Title: Re: Psychic Powers - Human Potential Beyond The Physical	17 Oct 2005 10:04:11 PM

Bryan Olson wrote:

Autymn D. C. wrote:

Bryan Olson wrote:

All the data is available to you, for whatever anaysis you wish to
do:

http://www.fourmilab.ch/rpkp/experiments/analysis/

[...]

I don't see anything on there that says whether individuals
consistently did far from chance.

What you do not see when you do not look is unimportant.

Do you need help designing a statistical test?

I did not not look there. I asked for the best, specific results
thence.
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User: "Bryan Olson"
Title: Re: Psychic Powers - Human Potential Beyond The Physical	18 Oct 2005 01:02:14 AM

Autymn D. C. wrote:

Bryan Olson wrote:

Autymn D. C. wrote:

Bryan Olson wrote:

All the data is available to you, for whatever anaysis you wish to
do:

http://www.fourmilab.ch/rpkp/experiments/analysis/

[...]

I don't see anything on there that says whether individuals
consistently did far from chance.

What you do not see when you do not look is unimportant.

Do you need help designing a statistical test?

I did not not look there. I asked for the best, specific results
thence.

Are you sure you know what "thence" means? You want the best
specific results following from not looking?
The Fourmilab RPKP results convincingly refute the existence of
the specific paranormal phenomenon under test. Previous reports
(and explanations) of the phenomenon, as found in the literature
of Parapsychology, were wrong.
If you want to propose some variant hypothesis, then the task of
defining it and testing it will, at least initially, be yours. As far as
I can determine your idea from what you have posted, I think you
could use the raw data from the Fourmilab RPKP project. If you
are actually serious, I could help formulate and compute a valid
statistical test (and to help avoid wasting time on invalid tests;
don't want to pull a Radin like in the experiment that started this
thread).
--
--Bryan
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User: "Autymn D. C."
Title: Re: Psychic Powers - Human Potential Beyond The Physical	20 Oct 2005 09:07:44 PM

Bryan Olson wrote:

Autymn D. C. wrote:

I did not not look there. I asked for the best, specific results
thence.

Are you sure you know what "thence" means? You want the best
specific results following from not looking?

I do, but you don't: http://dictionary.com/search?q=thence.

The Fourmilab RPKP results convincingly refute the existence of
the specific paranormal phenomenon under test. Previous reports
(and explanations) of the phenomenon, as found in the literature
of Parapsychology, were wrong.

Why test people as a group, when people are often wrong as a group? I
still ask for individual best [and worse] scores. What happens when
you average +3 and -3?

If you want to propose some variant hypothesis, then the task of
defining it and testing it will, at least initially, be yours. As far as
I can determine your idea from what you have posted, I think you
could use the raw data from the Fourmilab RPKP project. If you
are actually serious, I could help formulate and compute a valid
statistical test (and to help avoid wasting time on invalid tests;
don't want to pull a Radin like in the experiment that started this
thread).

Go ahead, but I don't understand what happened with Radin.
-Aut
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User: "Bryan Olson"
Title: Re: Psychic Powers - Human Potential Beyond The Physical	20 Oct 2005 11:55:58 PM

Autymn D. C. wrote:

Bryan Olson wrote:

Autymn D. C. wrote:

I did not not look there. I asked for the best, specific results
thence.

Are you sure you know what "thence" means? You want the best
specific results following from not looking?

I do, but you don't: http://dictionary.com/search?q=thence.

Weird, but thanks for citing evidence on my side.

Why test people as a group, when people are often wrong as a group?

That's a misunderstanding. Each run is an individual trying to influence
a new list of 1024 bits.

I still ask for individual best [and worse] scores.

What is stopping you from answer what you ask?

Go ahead, but I don't understand what happened with Radin.

Did you get as far as looking at Radin's paper on the experiment
that initially motivated this thread, and noting the error?
As for testing for individual ability, you could group the Fourmilab RPKP
data by subject, sort by time, and consider runs where all the subjects
previous runs reach a certain benchmark. If there is no phenomenon,
then even individuals who hit a 1% probability over their previous runs
should still score at random chance. If your theory is right that certain
individuals have ability at the task, then previous high-scorers should
tend to do better than chance.
--
--Bryan
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User: "Mark Martin"
Title: Re: Psychic Powers - Human Potential Beyond The Physical	12 Oct 2005 12:48:05 PM

Wizard of Odd wrote:

How do you explain Deja Vu?

My wife, who is an expert on brain anatomy and brain chemistry,
tells me that deja vu is identifiable with the hippocampus, which is a
brain nucleus critically connected to memory. It's damage to the
hippocampus which can result in the phenomenon of sort term memory
resetting itself to zero after some specific, short time period. (For
example, a victim of said damage may recall every memory registered
prior to, shall we say, 1976. But memories aquired after that go into a
buffer which is emptied every few hours. Such a person could get to
know me quite well in that time, then promptly forget that they've ever
met me when the time's up. This can be repeated over & over endlessly.
Some such patients cycle over a period of days. Some as short as a few
seconds.) In general, hippocampus = deja vu.

Prediction isn't an exact science!

Actually predicting with a date attached is bound too fail. But realise
this, Manchester was the next city in the UK for a terror scare, simply
disregarding my 75% belief in the Airport being the likely target is
not scientific.

Hahahahahahahah!!!! Prediction MUST be exact! It must be
sufficiently exact, that is, to say unambiguously that a prediction
even has been made!!!
There's a guy who makes earthquake predictions. He claims to
meaningfully predict that earthquakes of such & such magnitudes will
occur, and he even gives exact dates. Indeed, when one of his quoted
dates rolls around, an earthquake does actually happen. There's just
one tiny little problem- he never specifies even roughly WHERE it will
strike. Any seismologist can tell you that earthquakes happen scattered
all over the world EACH DAY with a whole spectrum of energy yields. In
other words, the guy predicts NOTHING. It's the same with you.

We simply do not know enough yet about these wormholes, as I see it
proper scientific research utilising psychics/mediums is one way to
unveil this mystery. Not through cynicism, but an openness to a new
spiritual science and the human potential beyond the physical.

When will you get around to defining "non-physical"?
-Mark Martin
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User: "Wizard of Odd"
Title: Re: Psychic Powers - Human Potential Beyond The Physical	14 Oct 2005 05:12:22 AM

How do you explain Deja Vu?
Mark says put your hands on your heads and bleat with the science
sheep, baaaaarmy:
"My wife, who is an expert on brain anatomy and brain chemistry,
tells me that deja vu is identifiable with the hippocampus, which is a
brain nucleus critically connected to memory. It's damage to the
hippocampus which can result in the phenomenon of sort term memory
resetting itself to zero after some specific, short time period. (For
example, a victim of said damage may recall every memory registered
prior to, shall we say, 1976. But memories aquired after that go into a
buffer which is emptied every few hours. Such a person could get to
know me quite well in that time, then promptly forget that they've ever
met me when the time's up. This can be repeated over & over endlessly.
Some such patients cycle over a period of days. Some as short as a few
seconds.) In general, hippocampus = deja vu."
1. The Brain(Hardware) is not where consciousness resides. Looking for
the way a person thinks just through their brain is like looking at a
computer and working out the software that runs on the hardware by it's
components. Mind(Self-Programming Software) is the link with the brain,
but if software runs on faulty hardware then you are going to see this
effect.
2. Near Death experiences even after brain death reveal the truth:
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence01.html - Story
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/research25.html - Emotions
3. Define Love as a physical process? Yes, you can see the effect of
infatuation on the physical but this is not the cause.
4. Non Physical - Ghosts, Aura Bodies, Thought, Telepathy, Love etc
etc.
Oh by the way your birthday is 7th March 1951. (This is a joke).
.

User: "Wizard of Odd"
Title: Re: Psychic Powers - Human Potential Beyond The Physical	14 Oct 2005 06:27:50 AM

Also, how can a genius just be born on this Earth utilising only the
brain.
They show fast learning and know certain facts without being taught.
Where does this knowledge come from?
This proves that reincarnation actually exists and the universe was
created by a greater intelligence(God).
.

User: "Mark Martin"
Title: Re: Psychic Powers - Human Potential Beyond The Physical	14 Oct 2005 08:25:25 AM

Wizard of Odd wrote:

How do you explain Deja Vu?

Mark says put your hands on your heads and bleat with the science
sheep, baaaaarmy:

Uh-huh. Sure. If I don't agree with YOU, then all it measn is that
I'm a mindless sheep. It cannot mean that I've decided on my own what
to believe and for what reasons. If that can be true for me, then it
can true for you as well. How does it feel to just be a mindless sheep,
following the "spiritualist" crowd?

"My wife, who is an expert on brain anatomy and brain chemistry,
tells me that deja vu is identifiable with the hippocampus, which is a
brain nucleus critically connected to memory. It's damage to the
hippocampus which can result in the phenomenon of sort term memory
resetting itself to zero after some specific, short time period. (For
example, a victim of said damage may recall every memory registered
prior to, shall we say, 1976. But memories aquired after that go into a

buffer which is emptied every few hours. Such a person could get to
know me quite well in that time, then promptly forget that they've ever

met me when the time's up. This can be repeated over & over endlessly.
Some such patients cycle over a period of days. Some as short as a few
seconds.) In general, hippocampus = deja vu."

1. The Brain(Hardware) is not where consciousness resides. Looking for
the way a person thinks just through their brain is like looking at a
computer and working out the software that runs on the hardware by it's
components. Mind(Self-Programming Software) is the link with the brain,
but if software runs on faulty hardware then you are going to see this
effect.

How would YOU know where consciousness resides? Telling me that I
don't know how consciousness works isn't the same as showing that YOU
do know. Also, telling me that consciousness is software isn't the same
as showing that said software is "non-physical". Even in a digital
computer, software reduces to hardware. There's no so-called ghost
known to reside in my PC, carrying the operating system with it.

2. Near Death experiences even after brain death reveal the truth:
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence01.html - Story
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/research25.html - Emotions

If a person is revived to tell the tale, then by definition it
wasn't dead to begin with, brain or otherwise.

3. Define Love as a physical process? Yes, you can see the effect of
infatuation on the physical but this is not the cause.

Define love such that it is not physical. Define any emotion such
that it cannot, even in principle, be reduced to orderly physical
processes. (This is a big part of your fallacy: You don't DEFINE your
words meaningfully.)

4. Non Physical - Ghosts, Aura Bodies, Thought, Telepathy, Love etc
etc.

This is NOT a useable definition of "non-physical". It's just a
small list of things that come to YOUR mind when you think of things
non-physical. What does it mean for something to be a ghost? What does
it mean for something to be aural? What does it mean to think? Why
would anyone in their right mind think that, if I take a "Kirlian"
photograph, then the thing in the image is non-physical? It was
detected with a physical instrument. I can also detect radio waves with
detectors, but which otherwise would go unnoticed by my built-in
senses. Does this mean that radio waves are non-physical.

Oh by the way your birthday is 7th March 1951. (This is a joke).

So are you.
-Mark Martin
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User: "Autymn D. C."
Title: Re: Psychic Powers - Human Potential Beyond The Physical	16 Oct 2005 09:21:34 PM

Mark Martin wrote:

If a person is revived to tell the tale, then by definition it
wasn't dead to begin with, brain or otherwise.

what madeup definition? Revived means no or less vive before. Death
is a spectrum.
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User: "Mark Martin"
Title: Re: Psychic Powers - Human Potential Beyond The Physical	16 Oct 2005 09:27:50 PM

Autymn D. C. wrote:

Mark Martin wrote:

If a person is revived to tell the tale, then by definition it
wasn't dead to begin with, brain or otherwise.

what madeup definition? Revived means no or less vive before. Death
is a spectrum.

...ZZzzzzzzz...
-Mark Martin
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User: "Autymn D. C."
Title: Re: Psychic Powers - Human Potential Beyond The Physical	16 Oct 2005 09:52:54 PM

Mark Martin wrote:

Autymn D. C. wrote:

Mark Martin wrote:

If a person is revived to tell the tale, then by definition it
wasn't dead to begin with, brain or otherwise.

what madeup definition? Revived means no or less vive before. Death
is a spectrum.

...ZZzzzzzzz...

Go eat a blowfish and get buried. BTW, Wizard (read: Nerd) of Odd, the
proven tales of people taking neurotoxins and dying, then coming back
to life in three days as a zombi or normal, show that Christian faith
(true:truth::fake:faith) is grounded on a delusion and that cheating
nature has nothing to do with God. Now spread the word, and give me
credit, or I'll be miffen when I take over the world.
-Aut
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User: "Mark Martin"
Title: Re: Psychic Powers - Human Potential Beyond The Physical	17 Oct 2005 07:49:53 AM

Autymn D. C. wrote:

Mark Martin wrote:

Autymn D. C. wrote:

Mark Martin wrote:

If a person is revived to tell the tale, then by definition it
wasn't dead to begin with, brain or otherwise.

what madeup definition? Revived means no or less vive before. Death
is a spectrum.

...ZZzzzzzzz...

Go eat a blowfish and get buried.

...zzzZZZzzzzzzzzzzz...
-Mark Martin
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User: "Wizard of Odd"
Title: Re: Psychic Powers - Human Potential Beyond The Physical	17 Oct 2005 08:14:16 AM

Wizard replies, oh my god I can't believe it:

Mark says put your hands on your heads and bleat with the science
sheep, baaaaarmy:

"Uh-huh. Sure. If I don't agree with YOU, then all it mean is that
I'm a mindless sheep. It cannot mean that I've decided on my own what
to believe and for what reasons. If that can be true for me, then it
can true for you as well. How does it feel to just be a mindless sheep,
following the "spiritualist" crowd? "
You guys are so unhip it's a wonder your bums don't fall off. Never
said you were a mindless sheep it's an illustration of humour, which
all of you are lacking.
I don't blindly follow a lemming off a cliff! We have two sides the
believers and the sceptics, neither side will win and the only way for
proof is a challenge that is not guided by money but proper
investigation without strangling the very subject before it can bear
fruit. Having a positive attitude is paramount.

1. The Brain(Hardware) is not where consciousness resides. Looking for
the way a person thinks just through their brain is like looking at a
computer and working out the software that runs on the hardware by it's
components. Mind(Self-Programming Software) is the link with the brain,
but if software runs on faulty hardware then you are going to see this
effect.

"How would YOU know where consciousness resides? Telling me that I
don't know how consciousness works isn't the same as showing that YOU
do know. Also, telling me that consciousness is software isn't the same
as showing that said software is "non-physical". Even in a digital
computer, software reduces to hardware. There's no so-called ghost
known to reside in my PC, carrying the operating system with it."
Never said consciousness is in the mind, that would be reducto
absurdum. Take for instance the effect of meditation on the mind - just
like a cloudless day once cleared this is it's true state (Alpha et
Omega - Without Beginning or End). You will see the effect by the brain
wave pattern but not the cause of enlightenment. Consciousness in its
true essence is part of the global not the local, this is why a person
can come up with the same invention, truth etc at the same time.

2. Near Death experiences even after brain death reveal the truth:
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence01.html - Story
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/research25.html - Emotions

"If a person is revived to tell the tale, then by definition it
wasn't dead to begin with, brain or otherwise. "
The story details a person who was pronounced brain dead. Simply
throwing it back does not answer the reason.

3. Define Love as a physical process? Yes, you can see the effect of
infatuation on the physical but this is not the cause.

" Define love such that it is not physical. Define any emotion such
that it cannot, even in principle, be reduced to orderly physical
processes. (This is a big part of your fallacy: You don't DEFINE your
words meaningfully.)"
This is a part of you fallacy: If the physicists are telling us that
superstrings only work in the 10th dimension, then how can a human be
just the physical - it makes no sense.

4. Non Physical - Ghosts, Aura Bodies, Thought, Telepathy, Love etc
etc.

"This is NOT a useable definition of "non-physical". It's just a
small list of things that come to YOUR mind when you think of things
non-physical. What does it mean for something to be a ghost? What does
it mean for something to be aural? What does it mean to think? Why
would anyone in their right mind think that, if I take a "Kirlian"
photograph, then the thing in the image is non-physical? It was
detected with a physical instrument. I can also detect radio waves with
detectors, but which otherwise would go unnoticed by my built-in
senses. Does this mean that radio waves are non-physical."
Why does a person feel their leg even when it's been amputated. This is
evidence of the aura and not the simple explanation of the physical.
A ghost can be a recording imprinted in the atmosphere of the building
or area - usually repeating the same scene again and again. This is how
in the future holograms will be created when we understand the quantum
effects of this phenomena.
A person is trapped in this physical realm, usually caused by a
traumatic experience, non-belief in the spiritual or a negative action.
A person who has passed to the light returns to a familiar place.

Oh by the way your birthday is 7th March 1951. (This is a joke).

"So are you."
Am I, or could I be the next best thing since the big bang. Yeah baby!
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User: "Bryan Olson"
Title: Re: Psychic Powers - Human Potential Beyond The Physical	18 Oct 2005 01:38:13 AM

Wizard of Odd wrote:
[...]

You guys are so unhip it's a wonder your bums don't fall off. Never
said you were a mindless sheep it's an illustration of humour, which
all of you are lacking.

I'm sorry you feel that way. I had thought my candidate for a better
prediction than yours was rather jolly.
I fully appreciate the ironic comedy of your call for humor, followed
by a hundred lines of buzz-kill. How clever of you to lighten up the
witless prattle with an occasional reference to amputated limbs
and brain-death.
--
--Bryan
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User: "Wizard of Odd"
Title: Re: Psychic Powers - Human Potential Beyond The Physical	19 Oct 2005 05:08:19 AM

Here's another prediction about the possible invasion of Europe by
Russia and China:
Just recently the Russia-Chinese Alliance have taken part in a military
exercise.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
From: (Wizard Of Odd)
Date: 7 Jan 2004 02:54:48 -0800
Local: Wed, Jan 7 2004 11:54 am
Subject: Tennyson's New Poem
Among the dapple-groves of England
Where King Arthur lies asleep
Oaks, silent, without a whisper
Hold the secret in their keep
The Noble King....
Shall arise once more from the deep deep earth
[?]
Bringing forth salvation unto Englands sacred shores
The power thereafter will be for one and all!
-------------------------------------------------------------
I think the meaning of it is the Spiritual Transformation of England,
King Arthur's Spirit Force literally creating the positive changeover
in time for the nation.
England will be faced with the greatest dilemma since World War II
when Europe is taken by China and Russia in a joint operation. This
could be pretty soon I feel, as the dominance of America will not be
tolerated much longer.
But the good news contained here suggests that England will not fall!
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/rec.arts.poems/browse_frm/thread/e7d3afed91127f50/0943527562e73616?lnk=st&q=insubject:Tennyson*+author:Wizard*&rnum=1&hl=en#0943527562e73616
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User: "Autymn D. C."
Title: Re: Psychic Powers - Human Potential Beyond The Physical	16 Oct 2005 09:01:45 PM

your -> you're; you're a retard.
nadir -> nada
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User: "Bryan Olson"
Title: Re: Psychic Powers - Human Potential Beyond The Physical	07 Oct 2005 01:03:51 PM

Wizard of Odd wrote:

This thread is a prediction I made about a possible terrorist attack at
Manchester Airport:

Jul 16, 12:42 pm
Newsgroups: uk.rec.psychic
From: "Wizard of Odd"
Date: 16 Jul 2005 04:42:53 -0700
Local: Sat, Jul 16 2005 12:42 pm
Subject: Manchester could be next for bombs!

Maybe I'm wrong which I sincerely hope, but I have the date Friday 12th

August in Manchester (could be the airport).

News Article - Terror Scare At Manchester Airport (24th September
2005):
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=4&section=0&article=70597&d=24&m=9&y=2005

Original Thread:

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.rec.psychic/browse_frm/thread/4a4dce5e36ef0c7c/e747845c5c50f7f2?lnk=st&q=group:uk.rec.psychic+author:Wizard+author:of+author:Odd&rnum=8&hl=en#e747845c5c50f7f2

Although the date is wrong the day and the information is correct. I
received this information while watching a news report about the London
Bombings.

How do you explain this?

No, it isn't coincidence.

You are right that it's not a coincidence; it fails to coincide.

Read the application, if you dare.
http://www.randi.org/research/challenge.html
If you now are too unsure of your abilities, then read the FAQ:
http://www.randi.org/research/faq.html

I wait with some tedium, as to your next excuse for failing to prove
that you are anything more than a bag of hot air.
Will it be a new excuse?
Based on your previous tired excuses, I expect not to be surprised...

See above.

I put my head on the block when I gave this prediction, it's not
perfect and the suspect was later detained under the Mental Health Act.
Watching the TV news reports caused a data link about this similiar
future event, I'm glad I received it and I've treated it like an
interesting scientific experiment.

Not perfect? It was just plain wrong. The phenomenon here is
self-delusion.

What's really sad is there's no database of psychic data which could be
predictions of future events, this is the legacy of people like Randi
who dismiss that anything in this world is really magical.

Randi isn't stopping anyone from building such a database.
The psychic phenomenon you brought up when starting this thread was
paranormal influence on random numbers. There's now massive data on
that, from the largest PSI study ever reported:
http://www.fourmilab.ch/rpkp/experiments/summary/
The results provide convincing evidence that the phenomenon under
test, previously reported and explained in the Parapsychology
literature, does not exist.

Harry Potter
contains many truths about the use and misuse of paranormal power, we
are all interconnected.

Harry Potter contains many truths about friendship, courage and
loyalty. The paranormal stuff is merely the setting. Fortunately,
the target audience for the books is sophisticated enough to
discern what is real and what is not.
--
--Bryan
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User: "Cardinal Chunder"
Title: Re: Psychic Powers - Human Potential Beyond The Physical	07 Oct 2005 10:42:24 AM

Wizard of Odd wrote:

Just demonstrate that you are able to do what you claim.
That's all.

In other words you were wrong.

News Article - Terror Scare At Manchester Airport (24th September
2005):
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=4&section=0&article=70597&d=24&m=9&y=2005

Original Thread:
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.rec.psychic/browse_frm/thread/4a4dce5e36ef0c7c/e747845c5c50f7f2?lnk=st&q=group:uk.rec.psychic+author:Wizard+author:of+author:Odd&rnum=8&hl=en#e747845c5c50f7f2

Although the date is wrong the day and the information is correct. I
received this information while watching a news report about the London
Bombings.

The date is wrong, the information is wrong, you couldn't even say with
certainty if it was the airport you were talking about. The guy was a
nut, he wasn't a terrorist and he had no bomb.
Wrong, wrong, wrong.

How do you explain this?

No, it isn't coincidence.

Yes it was, and not a very good one either.
Besides which millions of people have such thoughts every day:
"I wonder if a plane will crash"
"I wonder if <some person> will die today"
"I wonder if a bomb will go off"
"I wonder if there will be an earthquake
etc.
It means nothing if once in a while someone's fears actually coincide
with reality. But rest assured yours wasn't one of them.
Here let me make up an example:
"I have a bad feeling about NYC (or is it Boston / DC?) in the next
fortnight. I hope I'm wrong but I see bombs (in the subway system?).
If nothing happens, I can brush the prediction under the carpet. If
something does happen it doesn't mean I'm psychic or that I can predict
for *****.
Of course if I did claim to be psychic, I'd get busy shoehorning this
prediction even if the actual facts don't match up. That's what you did.
In the unlikely event that I do score a "hit", I might even do it myself
for demonstration purposes.
BTW that example is paraphrasing one of the rumours doing the rounds at
the moment.
.

User: "Wizard of Odd"
Title: Re: Psychic Powers - Human Potential Beyond The Physical	12 Oct 2005 05:00:57 AM

Cardinal Chunder wrote:

Wizard of Odd wrote:

Just demonstrate that you are able to do what you claim.
That's all.

In other words you were wrong.

The Prediction Step By Step:
1. Friday - Correct (1 Point)
2. 12th August - Incorrect (0 Point)
3. Airport (75% sure) - Correct (.75 point)
4. Manchester - Correct 1 Point
5. The 24th Sep News Report in the morning indicated it was a terrorist
attack. - Correct (1 Point)
1 + 0 + .75 + 1 + 1 = 3.75 out of 5. (75% Correct)
event1 = July (London News Report)
event2 = 24th Sep (Manchester Airport News Report)
Switching on the TV created the event2 to link with event1. This is
fully explained below, a minature wormhole had been created by watching
the news reports at either end:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wormhole
A wormhole, also known as an Einstein-Rosen bridge (and less commonly
as an Einstein-Rosen-Podolsky bridge or Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen
bridge), is a hypothetical topological feature of spacetime that is
essentially a "shortcut" through space and time. A wormhole has at
least two mouths which are connected to a single throat. Matter can
'travel' from one mouth to the other by passing through the throat.
It's pretty obvious what is going on, and although my example is not
perfect it is a clue to the way the universe operates.
How can this be invalidated by the later updates of the news indicating
the opposite. If you think about this it makes perfect scientific
sense.
How do you explain Deja Vu?
.

User: "Cardinal Chunder"
Title: Re: Psychic Powers - Human Potential Beyond The Physical	12 Oct 2005 03:09:03 PM

Wizard of Odd wrote:

Cardinal Chunder wrote:

Wizard of Odd wrote:

Just demonstrate that you are able to do what you claim.
That's all.

In other words you were wrong.

More shoehorning noted.

event1 = July (London News Report)
event2 = 24th Sep (Manchester Airport News Report)

Switching on the TV created the event2 to link with event1. This is
fully explained below, a minature wormhole had been created by watching
the news reports at either end:

Don't be ludicrous.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wormhole

A wormhole, also known as an Einstein-Rosen bridge (and less commonly
as an Einstein-Rosen-Podolsky bridge or Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen
bridge), is a hypothetical topological feature of spacetime that is
essentially a "shortcut" through space and time. A wormhole has at
least two mouths which are connected to a single throat. Matter can
'travel' from one mouth to the other by passing through the throat.

It's pretty obvious what is going on, and although my example is not
perfect it is a clue to the way the universe operates.

It is pretty obvious. You're terminally clueless. You reaching for
wormholes as an explanation for a bad prediction is proof of that.

How can this be invalidated by the later updates of the news indicating
the opposite. If you think about this it makes perfect scientific
sense.

You mean the more you let your mind freewheel, assisted by alcohol and
blows to the head, the more sense it makes.

How do you explain Deja Vu?

Coincidence?
.

User: "Wizard of Odd"
Title: Re: Psychic Powers - Human Potential Beyond The Physical	14 Oct 2005 04:51:34 AM

Cardinal Chunder wrote:

Wizard of Odd wrote:

Cardinal Chunder wrote:

Wizard of Odd wrote:

Just demonstrate that you are able to do what you claim.
That's all.

In other words you were wrong.

More shoehorning noted.

Shoehorning, your talking like a quark.

Don't be ludicrous.

Well Einstein's theory 100 years ago had to gestate for 4 years before
it became more widely known.

It is pretty obvious. You're terminally clueless. You reaching for
wormholes as an explanation for a bad prediction is proof of that.

Am I? Quantum Wormholes maybe a better description.
Science is pompous, arrogant, smug and I've just radically enhanced the
known theories.
E = c^n - Could be the way spiritual light actually acts in the 5th
dimension without any mass, time and approaching infinity.

How can this be invalidated by the later updates of the news indicating
the opposite. If you think about this it makes perfect scientific
sense.

You mean the more you let your mind freewheel, assisted by alcohol and
blows to the head, the more sense it makes.

My view is my view, I haven't denegrated yours. I do have an open mind,
but I'm no fool.

How do you explain Deja Vu?

Coincidence?

Come on, we are in the 21st Century not the 19th. Time is an illusion
lunchtime doubly so.
.

User: "Cardinal Chunder"
Title: Re: Psychic Powers - Human Potential Beyond The Physical	15 Oct 2005 04:03:33 PM

Wizard of Odd wrote:

Cardinal Chunder wrote:

Wizard of Odd wrote:

Cardinal Chunder wrote:

Wizard of Odd wrote:

Just demonstrate that you are able to do what you claim.
That's all.

In other words you were wrong.

More shoehorning noted.

Shoehorning, your talking like a quark.

Shoehorning is the process by which someone (e.g. you) takes a
prediction which bears only a passing resemblance to an event and
attempts to make it fit by ignoring the obvious flaws and massaging the
few correlations.

Don't be ludicrous.

Well Einstein's theory 100 years ago had to gestate for 4 years before
it became more widely known.

Comparing yourself to Einstein now? Tell you what, you write up a paper
describing your amazing theory and we'll work it from there.

It is pretty obvious. You're terminally clueless. You reaching for
wormholes as an explanation for a bad prediction is proof of that.

Am I? Quantum Wormholes maybe a better description.

Science is pompous, arrogant, smug and I've just radically enhanced the
known theories.

E = c^n - Could be the way spiritual light actually acts in the 5th
dimension without any mass, time and approaching infinity.

The operative phrase being "could be".
As in "Barney the Purple dinosaur could be the reincarnation of Jesus".
Yes, he could be, but until proof is supplied for such a ludicrous
assertion (twice ludicrous since it presupposes Jesus existed in the
form his followers revere) I will suppose that he isn't.

How can this be invalidated by the later updates of the news indicating
the opposite. If you think about this it makes perfect scientific
sense.

You mean the more you let your mind freewheel, assisted by alcohol and
blows to the head, the more sense it makes.

My view is my view, I haven't denegrated yours. I do have an open mind,
but I'm no fool.

You're entitled to any view you like, but when your view bears little
relation to reality you *are* going to have this pointed out. Sometimes,
this will be in a manner you may not like. In fact, the more you assert
your view without reference to reality, the more likely it will turn
into derision or outright mockery. If you don't like what you receive on
Usenet, I suggest you set up your own moderated mailing list.

How do you explain Deja Vu?

Coincidence?

Come on, we are in the 21st Century not the 19th. Time is an illusion
lunchtime doubly so.

Yes, it's the 21st century. Virtually every facet of your life has been
influenced by scientific inquiry and reason. It appears that scientific
inquiry and reason are not your forte.
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