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"ganesh" |
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15 Dec 2003 07:27:40 PM |
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QFT can explain covalent bonds?? |
hi,
let me take the simplest covalent bond i.e in H_2^+ (basically two
hydrogen nuclei..i.e protons, bonded via a single electron).
Here one can see why there sould be energy stabilization...the electron
instead of being bound to a single proton is now delocalized between two
protons....hence delta_x should increase....=> delta_p should decrease...
hence total energy decreases. Another angle is maybe looking at the hamiltonian.
The two possible basis states are the ones in which the electron is with
either proton. And then there is the transition probability. So we have
the hamiltonian
E_0 delta_E
delta_E E_0
which wud give the energy eigenvalues as (E_0 - delta_E) and (E_0 + delta_E)
So far so good with quantum mechanics...
So all in all we can say that the energy stabilization occurs due to
the exchange of electrons...similar to the process where the nucleons
can be bound together with the exchange of some bosons.
But here there are no antiparticles...there is no positron comming
into the picture to stabilize the covalent bond. There is only a
single electron. So how does one go about modelling the covalent
bond using Quantum field theory??
ganesh
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| User: "S. Enterprize Company" |
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| Title: Re: QFT can explain covalent bonds?? |
17 Dec 2003 05:06:39 AM |
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hi,
let me take the simplest covalent bond i.e in H_2^+ (basically two
hydrogen nuclei..i.e protons, bonded via a single electron).
Here one can see why there sould be energy stabilization...the electron
instead of being bound to a single proton is now delocalized between two
protons....hence delta_x should increase....=> delta_p should decrease...
hence total energy decreases. Another angle is maybe looking at the
hamiltonian.
The two possible basis states are the ones in which the electron is with
either proton. And then there is the transition probability. So we have
the hamiltonian
E_0 delta_E
delta_E E_0
which wud give the energy eigenvalues as (E_0 - delta_E) and (E_0 + delta_E)
So far so good with quantum mechanics...
So all in all we can say that the energy stabilization occurs due to
the exchange of electrons...similar to the process where the nucleons
can be bound together with the exchange of some bosons.
But here there are no antiparticles...there is no positron comming
into the picture to stabilize the covalent bond. There is only a
single electron. So how does one go about modelling the covalent
bond using Quantum field theory??
ganesh
You don't. QM, QFT, and The Standard Model are incorrect and they don't even
agree with each other.
Like I said before. The Smart Model is the ONLY CORRECT atomic model.
Smart's Alt. Physics News Group
http://pub39.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=3320272813&cpv=1
S. Enterprize (Science Journal)
http://smart1234.s-enterprize.com/
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: QFT can explain covalent bonds?? |
17 Dec 2003 09:10:52 AM |
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"S. Enterprize Company" wrote:
You don't. QM, QFT, and The Standard Model are incorrect and they don't even
agree with each other.
Like I said before. The Smart Model is the ONLY CORRECT atomic model.
For more about the "Smart Model",
see: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22smart1234%22+site%3Awww.crank.net
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| User: "S. Enterprize Company" |
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| Title: Re: QFT can explain covalent bonds?? |
17 Dec 2003 10:33:30 PM |
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"S. Enterprize Company" wrote:
You don't. QM, QFT, and The Standard Model are incorrect and they don't
even
agree with each other.
Like I said before. The Smart Model is the ONLY CORRECT atomic model.
For more about the "Smart Model",
see: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22smart1234%22+site%3Awww.crank.net
I looked at this crank.net and alot of the ones ( and theories) you call
crank kooks, show atoms and particles with structure. It seems QM and the
Standard model can't handle particle structure ( or sub-structure), so they
call it a crank because it disproves their model.
Oh well, I think one day QM and the Standard Model will on the crank list
when they finally realize that particles and atoms do have structure and
sub-structure.
Smart's Alt. Physics News Group
http://pub39.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=3320272813&cpv=1
S. Enterprize (Science Journal)
http://smart1234.s-enterprize.com/
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: QFT can explain covalent bonds?? |
17 Dec 2003 11:07:18 PM |
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"S. Enterprize Company" wrote:
I looked at this crank.net and alot of the ones ( and theories) you call
crank kooks, show atoms and particles with structure. It seems QM and the
Standard model can't handle particle structure ( or sub-structure), so they
call it a crank because it disproves their model.
A model of particle structure must make predictions... predictions must be
tested by experiment and observation. There exists no data inferring structure
for particles such as bosons (such as photons), leptons (such as electrons)
and quarks.
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| User: "S. Enterprize Company" |
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| Title: Re: QFT can explain covalent bonds?? |
18 Dec 2003 12:13:29 AM |
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"S. Enterprize Company" wrote:
I looked at this crank.net and alot of the ones ( and theories) you call
crank kooks, show atoms and particles with structure. It seems QM and the
Standard model can't handle particle structure ( or sub-structure), so they
call it a crank because it disproves their model.
A model of particle structure must make predictions... predictions must be
tested by experiment and observation. There exists no data inferring
structure
for particles such as bosons (such as photons), leptons (such as electrons)
and quarks.
That's because their model is incorrect. Now go ahead, show the link to
crank.net again... .
Smart's Alt. Physics News Group
http://pub39.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=3320272813&cpv=1
S. Enterprize (Science Journal)
http://smart1234.s-enterprize.com/
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: QFT can explain covalent bonds?? |
18 Dec 2003 12:21:47 AM |
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"S. Enterprize Company" wrote:
Sam Wormley wrote:
A model of particle structure must make predictions... predictions must
be tested by experiment and observation. There exists no data inferring
structure for particles such as bosons (such as photons), leptons (such
as electrons) and quarks.
That's because their model is incorrect. Now go ahead, show the link to
crank.net again... .
No the standard [particle] model is supported (and not contradicted) by the
numerous experiments for the better part of a century. Smart's crapola has
no prediction, no theory, no mathematics, and nothing other than his
***** postings on a minor USENET newsgroup.
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| User: "S. Enterprize Company" |
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| Title: Re: QFT can explain covalent bonds?? |
19 Dec 2003 02:54:25 AM |
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"S. Enterprize Company" wrote:
Sam Wormley wrote:
A model of particle structure must make predictions... predictions must
be tested by experiment and observation. There exists no data inferring
structure for particles such as bosons (such as photons), leptons (such
as electrons) and quarks.
That's because their model is incorrect. Now go ahead, show the link to
crank.net again... .
No the standard [particle] model is supported (and not contradicted) by the
numerous experiments for the better part of a century. Smart's crapola has
People are forced to say yes to this or they get a bad grade in college.
no prediction, no theory, no mathematics, and nothing other than his
***** postings on a minor USENET newsgroup.
The Smart Model has predictions, it has theory, and it has math ( MathCAD
Professional an industry standard).
Smart's Alt. Physics News Group
http://pub39.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=3320272813&cpv=1
S. Enterprize (Science Journal)
http://smart1234.s-enterprize.com/
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: QFT can explain covalent bonds?? |
19 Dec 2003 08:55:42 AM |
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"S. Enterprize Company" wrote:
The Smart Model has predictions, it has theory, and it has math ( MathCAD
Professional an industry standard).
I've listened to many a student argue that the "numerical answers" were
correct because they were output by MatlabŪ or similar software product!
Ha ahaha hah ahah hhahah ah ah aha hah aha hah! Smart sounds just like
students!
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| User: "S. Enterprize Company" |
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| Title: Re: QFT can explain covalent bonds?? |
20 Dec 2003 11:01:17 PM |
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"S. Enterprize Company" wrote:
The Smart Model has predictions, it has theory, and it has math ( MathCAD
Professional an industry standard).
I've listened to many a student argue that the "numerical answers" were
correct because they were output by MatlabŪ or similar software product!
Ha ahaha hah ahah hhahah ah ah aha hah aha hah! Smart sounds just like
students!
MathCAD Professional is an industry standard for scientist and engineers. It
works. You don't have to spend years on one math problem that can be evaluated
in a few seconds on your computer using it.
Smart's Alt. Physics News Group
http://pub39.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=3320272813&cpv=1
S. Enterprize (Science Journal)
http://smart1234.s-enterprize.com/
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: QFT can explain covalent bonds?? |
20 Dec 2003 11:15:16 PM |
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"S. Enterprize Company" wrote:
"S. Enterprize Company" wrote:
The Smart Model has predictions, it has theory, and it has math ( MathCAD
Professional an industry standard).
I've listened to many a student argue that the "numerical answers" were
correct because they were output by MatlabŪ or similar software product!
Ha ahaha hah ahah hhahah ah ah aha hah aha hah! Smart sounds just like
students!
MathCAD Professional is an industry standard for scientist and engineers. It
works. You don't have to spend years on one math problem that can be evaluated
in a few seconds on your computer using it.
Any computer program or computing package is just a tool... and unless
it is used to correctly model physical reality, it tells you nothing about
physical reality. Just because something is an industry standard doesn't
make it give the right answers any more than a handheld calculator, slide
rule or abacus.
An example is Orman and his oscilloscopes... he doesn't even know how to
use them properly to make timing measurements.
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| User: "S. Enterprize Company" |
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| Title: Re: QFT can explain covalent bonds?? |
21 Dec 2003 12:17:31 AM |
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"S. Enterprize Company" wrote:
"S. Enterprize Company" wrote:
The Smart Model has predictions, it has theory, and it has math (
MathCAD
Professional an industry standard).
I've listened to many a student argue that the "numerical answers" were
correct because they were output by MatlabŪ or similar software product!
Ha ahaha hah ahah hhahah ah ah aha hah aha hah! Smart sounds just like
students!
MathCAD Professional is an industry standard for scientist and
engineers. It
works. You don't have to spend years on one math problem that can be
evaluated
in a few seconds on your computer using it.
Any computer program or computing package is just a tool... and unless
it is used to correctly model physical reality, it tells you nothing
about
physical reality. Just because something is an industry standard doesn't
make it give the right answers any more than a handheld calculator,
slide
rule or abacus.
If you don't have at least BS degree in engineering or physics, you WILL have
a hard time understanding the MathCAD I show. You have to be able to
understand differential equations there solutions and many other advanced math
applications. PhD's have tried to evaluate the math I show, they have a hard
time understanding. Keep trying I guess, maybe one day you will understand.
An example is Orman and his oscilloscopes... he doesn't even know how to
use them properly to make timing measurements.
Smart's Alt. Physics News Group
http://pub39.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=3320272813&cpv=1
S. Enterprize (Science Journal)
http://smart1234.s-enterprize.com/
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| User: "Franz Heymann" |
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| Title: Re: QFT can explain covalent bonds?? |
21 Dec 2003 04:30:07 AM |
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"S. Enterprize Company" <smart1234@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20031221011731.12262.00001558@mb-m05.aol.com...
[snip]
If you don't have at least BS degree in engineering or physics, you WILL
have
a hard time understanding the MathCAD I show. You have to be able to
understand differential equations there solutions and many other advanced
math
applications.
So you have wasted your money buying MathCAD..
PhD's have tried to evaluate the math I show
They have not. What makes you think they would waste their time on your
garbage?
Franz Heymann
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| User: "S. Enterprize Company" |
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| Title: Re: QFT can explain covalent bonds?? |
21 Dec 2003 09:12:39 AM |
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"S. Enterprize Company" <smart1234@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20031221011731.12262.00001558@mb-m05.aol.com...
[snip]
If you don't have at least BS degree in engineering or physics, you WILL
have
a hard time understanding the MathCAD I show. You have to be able to
understand differential equations there solutions and many other advanced
math
applications.
So you have wasted your money buying MathCAD..
PhD's have tried to evaluate the math I show
They have not. What makes you think they would waste their time on your
garbage?
Franz Heymann
Well aren't they opened minded to new theories?
Smart's Alt. Physics News Group
http://pub39.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=3320272813&cpv=1
S. Enterprize (Science Journal)
http://smart1234.s-enterprize.com/
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