Quantum Gravity 191.4: Could Macroscopic vs Microscopic Phases Be Analogous to Change of Coordinates and Intersections as Well as Inclusions Change Thereby?



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Topic: Science > Physics
User: "OsherD"
Date: 20 Oct 2007 09:23:45 AM
Object: Quantum Gravity 191.4: Could Macroscopic vs Microscopic Phases Be Analogous to Change of Coordinates and Intersections as Well as Inclusions Change Thereby?

From Osher Doctorow

Although the above Theorem appears to end the claim that Quantum
Theory (including Quantum Mechanics) determines the Macroscopic world,
it is still possible that the Microscopic and Macroscopic worlds are
two different phases and that even what is asserted to be
intersections as well as subset inclusions (A is contained in B, etc.)
can change with the phase.
If this is true, then neither the Macroscopic nor the Microscopic
worlds can claim to actually determine the other even if it appears to
determine the other within a particular phase.
There are some indications in Quantum Logic that this may be true, but
it is difficult to determine whether the results in Quantum Logic are
due to the error (as I have explained it earlier) of assuming that the
Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle (HUP) has real physical significance
or whether the results in Quantum Logic are due to a phase difference
between Microscopic and Macroscopic phases. My guess is the former,
which however raises its own questions.
For one thing, there are many situations in which position and
momentum do not behave as inverses, and many situations in which they
do, even within the Quantum realm. HUP only claims that
uncertainties in position and momentum are roughly speaking inverses
rather than actual position and momentum, but the distinction between
these pairs of claims is often ignored in applications of HUP. If
Quantum Logic actually assigns 0 intersection to "extremely inverse"
position and momentum scenarios, then it may be roughly approximating
those scenarios within the Quantum phase, while ignoring other
scenarios.
Osher Doctorow
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User: "OsherD"

Title: Re: Quantum Gravity 191.4: Could Macroscopic vs Microscopic Phases Be Analogous to Change of Coordinates and Intersections as Well as Inclusions Change Thereby? 20 Oct 2007 09:32:48 AM

From Osher Doctorow

There should be a comma in the title of the previous Section after the
word "coordinates".
I should also mention that considerations like these indicate that
Quantum-oriented approaches to Quantum Gravity or Unification, like GR-
oriented approaches, are implausible, while Probability and Logic and
Set Theory combined with Experiment and Phase theories seem more
plausible for Unification and for what is usually called "Quantum
Gravity".
Osher Doctorow
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