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"Dr. Photon" |
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27 Jan 2005 04:41:31 AM |
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Quantum Mechanics according to Mark Mccutcheon |
What_is_Qi wrote
I wonder what will it take to convince James Randi...
Take a look at
http://www.randi.org/jr/062802.html
about half way down in a long section starting
"Someone out there has been having a difficult time understanding the
JREF million-dollar challenge."
Randi goes on to elaborate on how protocols are set up, and how they
are performed. A clear-cut undisputable result is agreed upon
beforehand by all concerned, and if that is not met, it is clear the
result is failure. You are allowed some "trial runs" to make sure you
are not having an off day (whatever), and then you can proceed on to
the more proper tests.
Also, I thought you said something a while back about exploding
rocks??? (or is my memory exaggerating...) That should be fairly
clear-cut!
He also points out that there is no point trying to explain something
unless you know there is something to explain. It sounds like you
can't do all this bioetheric stuff yourself, but have only seen others
do it? That is a very risky situation to express confidence from. Many
have been fooled.
Let us know how you get on, but I doubt you will get any attempt at
explanation till you have proven it should be taken seriously.
BR
p.s. Randi also was interested in the "Yellow Bamboo" group in Bali,
who apparently had energy at a distance powers. See
http://www.randi.org/jr/091903.html
and follow up reports.
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| User: "What_is_Qi" |
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| Title: Re: Quantum Mechanics according to Mark Mccutcheon |
27 Jan 2005 05:18:46 AM |
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Dr. Photon wrote:
What_is_Qi wrote
I wonder what will it take to convince James Randi...
Take a look at
http://www.randi.org/jr/062802.html
about half way down in a long section starting
"Someone out there has been having a difficult time understanding the
JREF million-dollar challenge."
Randi goes on to elaborate on how protocols are set up, and how they
are performed. A clear-cut undisputable result is agreed upon
beforehand by all concerned, and if that is not met, it is clear the
result is failure. You are allowed some "trial runs" to make sure you
are not having an off day (whatever), and then you can proceed on to
the more proper tests.
Also, I thought you said something a while back about exploding
rocks??? (or is my memory exaggerating...) That should be fairly
clear-cut!
I don't know if they hurl projectile at the cement blocks.
I don't want to focus on this because I can't do it myself.
Some of them say Qi can be compressed and manipulated so
much that it can affect physical matter directly like
telekinesis. Poltergeist phenomenon has the ghost (btw..
ghosts are breakaway bioetheric bodies people who died)
can sometimes affect physical matter. This is one reason
I wanted to understand the physics of qi. If Thomson is
anywhere above 20% right. The Aether units can be
manipulated directly near atoms such that the fundamental
forces are altered. His model is that matter is some kind
of trapped light. Now for untrapped normal light.. if you
can manipulate the Aethers (qi?), maybe you can turn the
light into some aspect of matter hence producing effects
on existing matter? I don't know. I don't want to focus
on this. Just want to know the basic idea of what is
qi... something I have personal experience on.
He also points out that there is no point trying to explain something
unless you know there is something to explain. It sounds like you
can't do all this bioetheric stuff yourself, but have only seen
others
do it? That is a very risky situation to express confidence from.
Many
have been fooled.
I only have direct experience dealing with qi and bioetheric
body. Not only have I attempted qi healings for years, but
have on ocassion cause damage of others thru qi. So I know
what it can do. I don't have direct experiences on telekinesis,
levitations, etc. so I ignore all this at the moment.
Let us know how you get on, but I doubt you will get any attempt at
explanation till you have proven it should be taken seriously.
BR
I'll first find out if there is a local group affiliated with
James Randi in the U.S. If there is, I'll assemble a team
of qi manipulators who challenge Randi and promise them
$100,000 each. If there is no local group affiliated with
Randy and since I can't go to US because don't have visa.
Then will just let the pranic healers abroad challenge Randi.
Qi guy
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| User: "Dr. Photon" |
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| Title: Re: Quantum Mechanics according to Mark Mccutcheon |
11 Feb 2005 12:50:18 PM |
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"What_is_Qi" <physicsofchi@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<1106824726.283721.260880@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>...
Dr. Photon wrote:
What_is_Qi wrote
I wonder what will it take to convince James Randi...
[snip]
I'll first find out if there is a local group affiliated with
James Randi in the U.S. If there is, I'll assemble a team
of qi manipulators who challenge Randi and promise them
$100,000 each. If there is no local group affiliated with
Randy and since I can't go to US because don't have visa.
Then will just let the pranic healers abroad challenge Randi.
Qi guy
I know the following are not your claims, but here are two more
examples of claims that Randi has looked at
second section of
http://www.randi.org/jr/100303.html
on "power at a distance" claims (Yellow Bamboo). These guys officially
applied for the million dollar test and so must have had a lot of
confidence.
first two sections of
http://www.randi.org/jr/101703.html
The first section is Randi's view on Qi, and the second is a Yellow
Bamboo follow up
then the latest update caught my attention-
last section of
http://www.randi.org/jr/021105an.html
"And, you might remember those blowhards who call themselves the
"Yellow Bamboo". They were just officially tested in Australia, and
failed miserably to perform."
My point is, as before, that loads of people make loads of claims,
build up followings, convince loads of people, but they have all
failed to pass tests.
I admit I haven't read all your posts above (wow, that's a lot of
typing), but I was getting the impression that the Randi test idea was
fizzling out?
Please re-energize your attempts at this, and get in contact with
people you know who can apply for the test. Let's decide this to the
satisfaction of all concerned.
Using Bjoern as a test subject does not seem to be getting
particularly far. So maybe a more particular test, with very well laid
out conditions and goals would be clearer. Surely the world would be a
better place if it was proved, as it would become standard practice
the world over to teach people to refine their qi, etc.
all the best
BR
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| User: "Qion" |
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| Title: Re: Quantum Mechanics according to Mark Mccutcheon |
11 Feb 2005 03:49:44 PM |
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Dr. Photon wrote:
then the latest update caught my attention-
last section of
http://www.randi.org/jr/021105an.html
"And, you might remember those blowhards who call themselves the
"Yellow Bamboo". They were just officially tested in Australia, and
failed miserably to perform."
My point is, as before, that loads of people make loads of claims,
build up followings, convince loads of people, but they have all
failed to pass tests.
Most Randi applicants are unskilled people. He seems to be focusing
on the stupid, downright crackpots, and outright fakes. Where are
the real ones? He hasn't tested on qi healers, the CIA psychic
subjects, etc. I wonder if Randi is hidding something.
I admit I haven't read all your posts above (wow, that's a lot of
typing), but I was getting the impression that the Randi test idea
was
fizzling out?
There is no Randi local group in the Philippines and I have difficulty
getting visa to travel to US. So how can I do the tests with Randi
with this gap in mind. If you got any idea. Let me know. If I'd prove
to Bjoern qi exist. I may as well do it to James Randi and win a
million in the process. If I show Bjoern qi exist, people can easily
beat me to the million dollars. So I'm having second thoughts about
giving Bjoern all out proof that qi exist by either manipulating
his qi or doing diagnostics of people around him. With the same
effort. I could show it to James Randi and win some big money as
well as visit to the white house and interviews with Bush himself.
Who knows. I may even be given a US citizen green card by winning
Randi's millions... because it can mark the beginning of investigation
of qi physics by the mainstream science.
Please re-energize your attempts at this, and get in contact with
people you know who can apply for the test. Let's decide this to the
satisfaction of all concerned.
Using Bjoern as a test subject does not seem to be getting
particularly far. So maybe a more particular test, with very well
laid
out conditions and goals would be clearer. Surely the world would be
a
better place if it was proved, as it would become standard practice
the world over to teach people to refine their qi, etc.
It would be easy to prove to the world that qi, etc. exist. But what's
bothering me lately is, is the world really ready? If qi physics became
science fact, you are not just dealing with teaching people of refining
their qi. You are literally dealing with teaching people how to
manipulate
space/time by controlling the forces beyond it that hold the world in
place. This is the consequence of qi physics. Consciousness is not
within space/time. Space/time is within consciousness. There are
many definitions of consciousness. I'm not using the one where our
brain is said to originate consciousness. But consciousness as
something intelligent and the structure or fabric of reality containing
this intelligent aspect which can be manipulated by the compatible
ability of the human mind to interface with this intelligent fabric
of reality hence giving the ability to affect space/time. You sure
don't
want Al Qaeda to master this. I don't want to get a million dollar and
in the process cause the demise of the human race. I can suffer huge
bad karma from this and may lose more than the million I got. Some
hinted
this has happened long time ago in Atlantis when sorcery and magic
ruled the
land and warlocks and magicians fought with each other causing the fall
of
atlantis when space/time was manipulated causing drastic earth changes.
The survivors transfered to egypt and elsewhere in the world
constructing
the pyramids, etc. to balance the forces of nature creating a stable
earth once again. The story in the bible started in Egypt with the high
priests like Moses possessing great powers and objects such as Ark of
Covenant which may be Atlantis technology and possessing advanced qi
physics. Only the High Priests can go near or open the Ark because only
people with refined etheric body can stand the energy from the Ark
without being killed. In esoteric circles. There is a something called
a Rod of Initiation which is presented to the aspirant to increase the
vibration of the etheric body after the kundalini is able to open up
all chakras. Think of chakras as our body connection to say a parallel
brane universe, the kundalini energy can vivify the chakras or
mini-portals
in our body giving the persons the ability to control other forces
beyond
space/time. In fact, the founding of the qi healing center is
influenced
by one such person. The teacher of our founder is one with all chakras
open by Kundalini and touched by the Rod of Initiation, a modern
version
of the Ark of the Covenant. So you see. Qi physics won't just tell
people how to refine the qi. It's much much more they can do. And I'm
having serious thoughts if humanity is really ready for all this.
Perhaps
it can come naturally when some sort of peace comes to the world at
large
in future generations where the psychological health of the population
is
much improved. Only then can advanced esoteric knowledge be given out
to
humanity at large. At this point. I don't know if Atlantis is a myth
but
there certainly is a Rod of Initiation used by present High Adept to
bestow powers upon the students ready for it. They can easily prove it
to
Randi. Where are all of them?? Is there an agreement not to do it to
avoid premature qi physics from hitting mainstream. Are they preventing
to avoid the same thing repeating from atlantis or other civilization
where they are destroyed by abuse of powers from happening all over
again
in the modern times. We must weigh the pro and con very carefully
before
letting out pandora's box. I'd be happy being judged insane by this
physics newsgroup rather than risk giving out to something humanity may
not be ready for. If there is a group working to avoid public knowledge
of this sort from happening. I may get into hot water from even
attempting
to prove it to Randi. They can easily stop me by sending tactical qi to
immobilize me. So I have to think hard about all this and consult folks
if the good of qi physics can outweight all the bad effects it can
produce. In other words. Would the science of qi physics advance
humanity
with all the bad effects overtaken by the good. Or are we in the birth
of another era where weapons would be developed out of qi physics. The
world possesses stockpiles of nuclear weapons that can destroy the
world
ten times over with many left to use on the moon. The science of qi
physics may be used or abused causing even greater danger such as Al
Qaeda mastering the qi and kundalini and using telekinesis to explode a
nuke in the heart of a US city and doing this simulatneously in other
states. This is the hazard of premature qi physics from hitting
mainstream
I'm talking about. Convince me first that humanity is ready for it
before
I'd go all out to challenge Randi.
Qion
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| User: "Dr. Photon" |
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| Title: Re: Quantum Mechanics according to Mark Mccutcheon |
14 Feb 2005 01:18:36 PM |
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"Qion" <physicsofchi@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<1108158584.386816.229420@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>...
[snip]
Most Randi applicants are unskilled people. He seems to be focusing
on the stupid, downright crackpots, and outright fakes. Where are
the real ones? He hasn't tested on qi healers, the CIA psychic
subjects, etc. I wonder if Randi is hidding something.
If you go to the Randi homepage, and type "cia remote viewing" into
the search box there, you get quite a lot of stuff.
CIA remote viewing:
1st section
http://www.randi.org/jr/061804remote.html
5th section
http://www.randi.org/jr/032803.html
1st section
http://www.randi.org/jr/112301.html
"After twenty-three years and more than twenty million dollars of
taxpayers' money, the CIA officially concluded that there was no case
in which ESP had provided data used to guide intelligence operations"
etc. While this does not count as *disproof* of the subject, the shear
scale of failure speaks for itself.
Searching for qi healers comes up with the likes of:
http://www.randi.org/jr/time1992.html
"'Move objects with Chi Power without touching them. Move objects with
your eyes only. Lift a bowl of water with Yin Chi. Repel birds, dogs,
with your eyes only.' ... No evidence exists that these feats have
ever been demonstrated..."
I think he has tested plenty of Therapeutic Touch, Reiki, etc. but I
don't think he has actually tested any of your guys.
[snip]
If I show Bjoern qi exist, people can easily
beat me to the million dollars.
NOOOOOooooo.....! Anybody with the skill to do so, could do so
already, they will not be persuaded by your demonstration over this
discussion group. Please demonstrate properly, and move this off
square zero where it is currently firmly lodged.
[snip]
It would be easy to prove to the world that qi, etc. exist. But what's
bothering me lately is, is the world really ready? If qi physics became
science fact, you are not just dealing with teaching people of refining
their qi. You are literally dealing with teaching people how to
manipulate
space/time by controlling the forces beyond it that hold the world in
place. ... You sure don't
want Al Qaeda to master this. [snip]
How about proving it exists, and then not telling *everyone* how to do
it? If someone tries to force you to tell them, surely you have enough
defence against that?
there certainly is a Rod of Initiation used by present High Adept to
bestow powers upon the students ready for it. They can easily prove it
to Randi. Where are all of them??
Good question, we'd like to know!!!
[snip]
If there is a group working to avoid public knowledge
of this sort from happening. I may get into hot water from even
attempting to prove it to Randi.
What is the organizational structure of these qi healer people? You
mention a High Adept, is he/she the leader? Are there ranks of
membership?
[snip]
Convince me first that humanity is ready for it
before
I'd go all out to challenge Randi.
Qion
What about sensing a person's qi before initiating him/her? You don't
need to initiate everyone. Can you tell whether someone has evil
intentions??? Can people learn this by themselves, from reading a book
for example?
I must admit, your transition from utmost confidence of a
demonstration to equivocation is slightly puzzling. All this bit about
destroying the world doesn't sound convincing. Surely this stuff is
becoming widespread anyway? All those healing centres you mentioned in
all those countries??? Surely this is going to "pop" very soon?
As for the practicalities of actually arranging a test, simply write
to some of the American healing centres, and ask if someone there is
willing to do it. It's just a short email away... Even if you don't
get the money yourself, it would be worth it for the record. I might
even do this myself if you are reluctant.
BR
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| User: "Qion" |
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14 Feb 2005 05:12:34 PM |
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Dr. Photon wrote:
Searching for qi healers comes up with the likes of:
http://www.randi.org/jr/time1992.html
"'Move objects with Chi Power without touching them. Move objects
with
your eyes only. Lift a bowl of water with Yin Chi. Repel birds, dogs,
with your eyes only.' ... No evidence exists that these feats have
ever been demonstrated..."
I think he has tested plenty of Therapeutic Touch, Reiki, etc. but I
don't think he has actually tested any of your guys.
What's like trying to prove the existence of sperm cell by analyzing
saliva. Qi is not attributed to moving physical objects with it, lift
a bowl of water ith wit or repel dogs, birds with eyes only. Randi is
just being foolish. If he spent some time with the pranic healing
centers. He would meet his match.
[snip]
If I show Bjoern qi exist, people can easily
beat me to the million dollars.
NOOOOOooooo.....! Anybody with the skill to do so, could do so
already, they will not be persuaded by your demonstration over this
discussion group. Please demonstrate properly, and move this off
square zero where it is currently firmly lodged.
You are acting like qi can really move physical objects. Qi is nothing
like that. It has to do with some emissions coming from the atoms
that is undetected by instruments that look for electromagnetic
waves. We are dealing with a new force in the atom that is not
any of the 4 forces. Qi is related to new principles in the atoms that
mainstream science hasn't studied it. It is related to conscious
energy.. a new physics field that may be commonplace to humanity in
the 22nd or even 25th century.
About people beating me to the million dollars. There seems to be
a dividing line that separate two groups of people. The right brain
dominant people are the ones who can deal with it, the sensitivity of
it requires the function of the creative or artistic side of the
brain. The left brain dominant people are the scientists who deal
with analytical details of objects, etc. Many psychics and paranormal
in the world has right brain dominance, so they are not as cunning
as the left brain dominated people. As a result, many paranormal
people are not smart enough to deal with Randi and agreeing on the
test paranormals where their abilities can be exploited. For example.
For those who can see qi with their mind's eye. They don't understand
the dynamics of the etheric body enough to know the limitations of
their qi ability. So they agree to the Randi tests of reading his
bioplasmic body correlating to physical diseases when emotional
and thinking pattern can produce them similarly. Now for the left
brain dominant people like Bjoern. They are separated by default
to the real world of subtle energy, because they want people to
first prove it exist before studying it. Since the right brain
people can't easily derive the physics of qi and/or understand it
full dynamics enough to control its expression and hence failing
to properly demonstrate it to James Randi for example, there is no
way the left brain people like Bjoern can see the positive results
and hence would not investigate it. So my chance for the Randi
millions is protected by this division. If I prove the existence
to Qi to left brain people like Bjoern, etc. They can easily beat
me to the millions because first, they have group affiliated with
Randy in their own country while I have to apply for visa which
takes a long time and have to travel to the United States. So I'm
buying myself time by not proving the existence of qi to people like
him.
It would be easy to prove to the world that qi, etc. exist. But
what's
bothering me lately is, is the world really ready? If qi physics
became
science fact, you are not just dealing with teaching people of
refining
their qi. You are literally dealing with teaching people how to
manipulate
space/time by controlling the forces beyond it that hold the world
in
place. ... You sure don't
want Al Qaeda to master this. [snip]
How about proving it exists, and then not telling *everyone* how to
do
it? If someone tries to force you to tell them, surely you have
enough
defence against that?
What you wrote above shows you don't have clue of what qi can and can't
do and assuming it's like the Jedi Force which can be manifested like
in telekinesis. A book such as the following shows how qi behave.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/9719110643/qid=1108419879/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/002-6970964-3477663?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
It falls into the hands mostly of right brain dominants or the
intuitive.
The left brain dominants or scientists like Bjoern stays away from it
(not
from a true scientific fashion but just bias... remembering that most
instruments in the world detect electromagnetic.. what if the atoms
can produce subtle energy out of range of any instruments... get this)
As a result. There is a line that separate them. And this is only my
chance to Randi's million, by standing in the middle or balance between
left and right brain dominants by recruiting people of both and taking
a crack at Randi and the millions.
What is the organizational structure of these qi healer people? You
mention a High Adept, is he/she the leader? Are there ranks of
membership?
Qi healer people are just ordinary people. The founder of pranic
healer is taught by one of the High Adepts who have full opening
of the kundalini.. as a result, all their mini-portals in the body
that can extend to different brane universes are open hence their
powers is much increase (or equivalent mechanisms or complexity).
I still don't know why evolution can produce this thing in our body.
It's as if we are deliberately engineered by something or someone.
I still don't know and still looking for the understanding of it.
What about sensing a person's qi before initiating him/her? You don't
need to initiate everyone. Can you tell whether someone has evil
intentions??? Can people learn this by themselves, from reading a
book
for example?
I must admit, your transition from utmost confidence of a
demonstration to equivocation is slightly puzzling. All this bit
about
destroying the world doesn't sound convincing. Surely this stuff is
becoming widespread anyway? All those healing centres you mentioned
in
all those countries??? Surely this is going to "pop" very soon?
I explained above that there is a line that separates them. Only people
with right brain dominants or intuitive are mostly attracted to pranic
healing. This serves as natural protection to the rest. But a James
Randi demonstration and million won can change all that. It can tip
the balance of things. And this is what I'm somewhat being guilty
about. Let me quote you what I wrote to Bjoern a few moments ago about
Atlantis. "If you will know about what the Kundalini can do which
may be opening up all the mini-portals in the body enabling
the neophyte to function in let's say all the brane
universes or equivalently complex mechanism. You would
know how a group of Al Qaeda warlocks can detonate nukes
anywhere in the world by telekinesis. And you would think
first before doing something like it when similar event
may have occured in the past. Many say the sinking of
the land of Atlantis is exactly via this mechanism where
paranomal abilities wrecked havoc on the balance of forces
that maintain the condition of the planet resulting in
pole shift, earth changes, etc. I'm not sure about
Atlantis, still researching if there is any basis to it.
You may have heard about the "Law of One" or "Children
of Belial" about Atlantis. They represent the positive
and negative forces when X-men like beings walk the land
of Atlantis when it still exist prior to its demise."
Now a million dollars in exchange for the demise of the human race? No
way. Everything has its own time. Someday in the future when the
conditions of the world is much more stable with the next generations
of children born intuitive, the physics of qi can be safely used by a
humanity on the verge of discovering its higher purpose of existence.
I'm tracking children who are born with incredible clairvoyant
and other paranormal abilities. In the book China's Super Psychic.
Paul Dong mentions about 100,000 super psychic children in China.
I'm noticing a similar trend in my country. It appears that a hundred
years from now. A new generations of humans would walk the planet where
they can safely handled qi physics. I'm still debating with myself if
now is the right time to start this or it needs to come out after half
a century from now when the conditions of the world is much more
stable.
Qion
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| User: "Dr. Photon" |
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| Title: Re: Quantum Mechanics according to Mark Mccutcheon |
15 Feb 2005 05:11:52 AM |
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"Qion" <physicsofchi@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<1108422754.815529.196420@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>...
Dr. Photon wrote:
Searching for qi healers comes up with the likes of:
http://www.randi.org/jr/time1992.html
"'Move objects with Chi Power without touching them. Move objects
with
your eyes only. Lift a bowl of water with Yin Chi. Repel birds, dogs,
with your eyes only.' ... No evidence exists that these feats have
ever been demonstrated..."
I think he has tested plenty of Therapeutic Touch, Reiki, etc. but I
don't think he has actually tested any of your guys.
What's like trying to prove the existence of sperm cell by analyzing
saliva. Qi is not attributed to moving physical objects with it, lift
a bowl of water ith wit or repel dogs, birds with eyes only. Randi is
just being foolish. If he spent some time with the pranic healing
centers. He would meet his match.
Randi does not make claims, he quotes other people's claims. Note that
those claims are in quotes, they are not Randi's nor my own claims,
they were found in an advertisement which was offering training to do
these things. If moving physical objects by qi is foolish, then it is
because someone claiming the ability to do this was either a fraud or
deluded.
[snip]
If I show Bjoern qi exist, people can easily
beat me to the million dollars.
NOOOOOooooo.....! Anybody with the skill to do so, could do so
already, they will not be persuaded by your demonstration over this
discussion group. Please demonstrate properly, and move this off
square zero where it is currently firmly lodged.
You are acting like qi can really move physical objects. Qi is nothing
like that.
Well, you did hint at that a few times in this very thread:
message 55
"They can't kill them with just qi.. unless some martial art experts
are right that they can manipulate qi in such extreme way as to cause
it to hit cement blocks without touching (telekinetic effect). ... I
don't have personal experience here. Only qi in its more subtle form."
and elsewhere
"I've encountered the most extreme paranormal events that you
westerners
can only dream about."
and in your previous post
"You are literally dealing with teaching people how to manipulate
space/time by controlling the forces beyond it that hold the world in
place."
but you are saying that this does not go as far as being able to move
an object???!
[snip]
How about proving it exists, and then not telling *everyone* how to
do
it? If someone tries to force you to tell them, surely you have
enough
defence against that?
What you wrote above shows you don't have clue of what qi can and can't
do and assuming it's like the Jedi Force which can be manifested like
in telekinesis.
as my quotes show, it is not just me. I admit I don't know. And by
"defence" in my post, I was thinking along the lines of "you can't
make me do it" kind of defence. But you also said in your previous
post that "They can easily stop me by sending tactical qi to
immobilize me." You even use the word "easily". What am I to think?
That they can't do this???
So, yes I am confused.
[snip]
You would
know how a group of Al Qaeda warlocks can detonate nukes
anywhere in the world by telekinesis. And you would think
first before doing something like it when similar event
may have occured in the past.
I thought you said qi can't be used for telekinesis??? Can it or can't
it???
[snip]
In the book China's Super Psychic.
Paul Dong mentions about 100,000 super psychic children in China.
These claims have been made for the last two hundred years, and they
were always "just about to" take over. In Europe and Russia as well as
China. America was getting worried about 50 years ago about all the
super psychic children in Russia, especially seeing as the political
tensions of the time were quite high. Apparently they could see
through objects, bend metal, sense color with their hands, move
objects with the power of the mind, tell where objects were in other
rooms. And then what? Nothing. Where are they now?
I'm noticing a similar trend in my country. It appears that a hundred
years from now. A new generations of humans would walk the planet where
they can safely handled qi physics. I'm still debating with myself if
now is the right time to start this or it needs to come out after half
a century from now when the conditions of the world is much more
stable.
I hope the conditions of the world are more stable in 50 years. Alfred
Nobel (of the Nobel prize) was reluctant to start a peace prize as he
thought it would be obsolete in less than 50 years. That was back in
1900. Heres to hoping!
All the best,
BR
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15 Feb 2005 06:42:39 AM |
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Dr. Photon wrote:
"Qion" <physicsofchi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:<1108422754.815529.196420@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>...
Dr. Photon wrote:
Searching for qi healers comes up with the likes of:
http://www.randi.org/jr/time1992.html
"'Move objects with Chi Power without touching them. Move objects
with
your eyes only. Lift a bowl of water with Yin Chi. Repel birds,
dogs,
with your eyes only.' ... No evidence exists that these feats
have
ever been demonstrated..."
I think he has tested plenty of Therapeutic Touch, Reiki, etc.
but I
don't think he has actually tested any of your guys.
What's like trying to prove the existence of sperm cell by
analyzing
saliva. Qi is not attributed to moving physical objects with it,
lift
a bowl of water ith wit or repel dogs, birds with eyes only. Randi
is
just being foolish. If he spent some time with the pranic healing
centers. He would meet his match.
Randi does not make claims, he quotes other people's claims. Note
that
those claims are in quotes, they are not Randi's nor my own claims,
they were found in an advertisement which was offering training to do
these things. If moving physical objects by qi is foolish, then it is
because someone claiming the ability to do this was either a fraud or
deluded.
[snip]
If I show Bjoern qi exist, people can easily
beat me to the million dollars.
NOOOOOooooo.....! Anybody with the skill to do so, could do so
already, they will not be persuaded by your demonstration over
this
discussion group. Please demonstrate properly, and move this off
square zero where it is currently firmly lodged.
You are acting like qi can really move physical objects. Qi is
nothing
like that.
Well, you did hint at that a few times in this very thread:
message 55
"They can't kill them with just qi.. unless some martial art experts
are right that they can manipulate qi in such extreme way as to cause
it to hit cement blocks without touching (telekinetic effect). ... I
don't have personal experience here. Only qi in its more subtle
form."
and elsewhere
"I've encountered the most extreme paranormal events that you
westerners
can only dream about."
and in your previous post
"You are literally dealing with teaching people how to manipulate
space/time by controlling the forces beyond it that hold the world in
place."
but you are saying that this does not go as far as being able to move
an object???!
I just explained it to Bryan. Here's the same words.
My experience with qi is the subtle aspect of it like detecting
qi flow in the body.. absorbing qi from the atmosphere and
re-directing it elsewhere... like removing dirty qi from
the bioplasmic body and throwing it to salt water. Qi may
either be a subtle energy from the vacuum or it may be
some kind of aether units or dark matter like substance. We
still don't know. When one mentions qi, I think one must
refer to this subtle energy that our body uses. Let's not mix
it up to say the possible energy for telekinesis. When a person
is doing telekinesis (supposing this is real), other form of
energy may be involved. Let's not call it qi although it is
possible qi may act like carrier wave to this other energy.
But then, in telekinesis or other energetic psi, space/time
itself may be manipulated. We don't know the energy involved,
if it is true. Maybe qi is like visible light, while the
energy of telekinesis is like laser light or microwave, etc.
Right now. I use qi when referring to the subtle energy in
our bioplasmic body that our thinking, emotion, and physical
body use. Let's not use the word "qi" in referring to the
energy of telekinesis (if this is real). This is very
important when communicating with James Randi. You want to
demonstrate to him about qi and he'd tell you to lift his
chair with the qi. I'm thinking though if qi can be manipulated
to affect physical object in an energetic manner. But I think
not and the latter involves the direct manipulation of the
fabric of space/time itself. Tiller says our mind uses 9D
subtance called "deltron". Perhaps energetic phenomena may
involve this deltron manipulation. In Tiller terminology.
Qi is 4D,5D,6D etheric energy while the 7D,8D,9D uses
the "deltron" substance which may be what is responsible
for telekinetic energy. I don't know if telekinesis is real
or fiction. My experiences is only the qi that I can acquire
from the surrounding (vacuum?) and acquire from a patient
body and flick off to salt water. I think it is subtle energy
from the vaccum interactive with thought or conscious energy.
An aether unit version of qi is more unlikely.
Qion
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| User: "Qion" |
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14 Feb 2005 05:12:37 PM |
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Dr. Photon wrote:
Searching for qi healers comes up with the likes of:
http://www.randi.org/jr/time1992.html
"'Move objects with Chi Power without touching them. Move objects
with
your eyes only. Lift a bowl of water with Yin Chi. Repel birds, dogs,
with your eyes only.' ... No evidence exists that these feats have
ever been demonstrated..."
I think he has tested plenty of Therapeutic Touch, Reiki, etc. but I
don't think he has actually tested any of your guys.
What's like trying to prove the existence of sperm cell by analyzing
saliva. Qi is not attributed to moving physical objects with it, lift
a bowl of water ith wit or repel dogs, birds with eyes only. Randi is
just being foolish. If he spent some time with the pranic healing
centers. He would meet his match.
[snip]
If I show Bjoern qi exist, people can easily
beat me to the million dollars.
NOOOOOooooo.....! Anybody with the skill to do so, could do so
already, they will not be persuaded by your demonstration over this
discussion group. Please demonstrate properly, and move this off
square zero where it is currently firmly lodged.
You are acting like qi can really move physical objects. Qi is nothing
like that. It has to do with some emissions coming from the atoms
that is undetected by instruments that look for electromagnetic
waves. We are dealing with a new force in the atom that is not
any of the 4 forces. Qi is related to new principles in the atoms that
mainstream science hasn't studied it. It is related to conscious
energy.. a new physics field that may be commonplace to humanity in
the 22nd or even 25th century.
About people beating me to the million dollars. There seems to be
a dividing line that separate two groups of people. The right brain
dominant people are the ones who can deal with it, the sensitivity of
it requires the function of the creative or artistic side of the
brain. The left brain dominant people are the scientists who deal
with analytical details of objects, etc. Many psychics and paranormal
in the world has right brain dominance, so they are not as cunning
as the left brain dominated people. As a result, many paranormal
people are not smart enough to deal with Randi and agreeing on the
test paranormals where their abilities can be exploited. For example.
For those who can see qi with their mind's eye. They don't understand
the dynamics of the etheric body enough to know the limitations of
their qi ability. So they agree to the Randi tests of reading his
bioplasmic body correlating to physical diseases when emotional
and thinking pattern can produce them similarly. Now for the left
brain dominant people like Bjoern. They are separated by default
to the real world of subtle energy, because they want people to
first prove it exist before studying it. Since the right brain
people can't easily derive the physics of qi and/or understand it
full dynamics enough to control its expression and hence failing
to properly demonstrate it to James Randi for example, there is no
way the left brain people like Bjoern can see the positive results
and hence would not investigate it. So my chance for the Randi
millions is protected by this division. If I prove the existence
to Qi to left brain people like Bjoern, etc. They can easily beat
me to the millions because first, they have group affiliated with
Randy in their own country while I have to apply for visa which
takes a long time and have to travel to the United States. So I'm
buying myself time by not proving the existence of qi to people like
him.
It would be easy to prove to the world that qi, etc. exist. But
what's
bothering me lately is, is the world really ready? If qi physics
became
science fact, you are not just dealing with teaching people of
refining
their qi. You are literally dealing with teaching people how to
manipulate
space/time by controlling the forces beyond it that hold the world
in
place. ... You sure don't
want Al Qaeda to master this. [snip]
How about proving it exists, and then not telling *everyone* how to
do
it? If someone tries to force you to tell them, surely you have
enough
defence against that?
What you wrote above shows you don't have clue of what qi can and can't
do and assuming it's like the Jedi Force which can be manifested like
in telekinesis. A book such as the following shows how qi behave.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/9719110643/qid=1108419879/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/002-6970964-3477663?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
It falls into the hands mostly of right brain dominants or the
intuitive.
The left brain dominants or scientists like Bjoern stays away from it
(not
from a true scientific fashion but just bias... remembering that most
instruments in the world detect electromagnetic.. what if the atoms
can produce subtle energy out of range of any instruments... get this)
As a result. There is a line that separate them. And this is only my
chance to Randi's million, by standing in the middle or balance between
left and right brain dominants by recruiting people of both and taking
a crack at Randi and the millions.
What is the organizational structure of these qi healer people? You
mention a High Adept, is he/she the leader? Are there ranks of
membership?
Qi healer people are just ordinary people. The founder of pranic
healer is taught by one of the High Adepts who have full opening
of the kundalini.. as a result, all their mini-portals in the body
that can extend to different brane universes are open hence their
powers is much increase (or equivalent mechanisms or complexity).
I still don't know why evolution can produce this thing in our body.
It's as if we are deliberately engineered by something or someone.
I still don't know and still looking for the understanding of it.
What about sensing a person's qi before initiating him/her? You don't
need to initiate everyone. Can you tell whether someone has evil
intentions??? Can people learn this by themselves, from reading a
book
for example?
I must admit, your transition from utmost confidence of a
demonstration to equivocation is slightly puzzling. All this bit
about
destroying the world doesn't sound convincing. Surely this stuff is
becoming widespread anyway? All those healing centres you mentioned
in
all those countries??? Surely this is going to "pop" very soon?
I explained above that there is a line that separates them. Only people
with right brain dominants or intuitive are mostly attracted to pranic
healing. This serves as natural protection to the rest. But a James
Randi demonstration and million won can change all that. It can tip
the balance of things. And this is what I'm somewhat being guilty
about. Let me quote you what I wrote to Bjoern a few moments ago about
Atlantis. "If you will know about what the Kundalini can do which
may be opening up all the mini-portals in the body enabling
the neophyte to function in let's say all the brane
universes or equivalently complex mechanism. You would
know how a group of Al Qaeda warlocks can detonate nukes
anywhere in the world by telekinesis. And you would think
first before doing something like it when similar event
may have occured in the past. Many say the sinking of
the land of Atlantis is exactly via this mechanism where
paranomal abilities wrecked havoc on the balance of forces
that maintain the condition of the planet resulting in
pole shift, earth changes, etc. I'm not sure about
Atlantis, still researching if there is any basis to it.
You may have heard about the "Law of One" or "Children
of Belial" about Atlantis. They represent the positive
and negative forces when X-men like beings walk the land
of Atlantis when it still exist prior to its demise."
Now a million dollars in exchange for the demise of the human race? No
way. Everything has its own time. Someday in the future when the
conditions of the world is much more stable with the next generations
of children born intuitive, the physics of qi can be safely used by a
humanity on the verge of discovering its higher purpose of existence.
I'm tracking children who are born with incredible clairvoyant
and other paranormal abilities. In the book China's Super Psychic.
Paul Dong mentions about 100,000 super psychic children in China.
I'm noticing a similar trend in my country. It appears that a hundred
years from now. A new generations of humans would walk the planet where
they can safely handled qi physics. I'm still debating with myself if
now is the right time to start this or it needs to come out after half
a century from now when the conditions of the world is much more
stable.
Qion
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