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Topic: Science > Physics
User: "Mike"
Date: 25 Apr 2007 08:24:49 PM
Object: Quantum mechanics from logic alone?
Starting from the premise that all facts are consistent with each other, I
believe it is possible to derive the path integral formulation of quantum
mechanics. This would give us physics from logic alone.
The consistency of all facts requires that it is never the case that any
fact in reality will ever prove false any other fact in reality. This is
written in logic as ~(p=>~q). But this is logically equivalent to p*q, where
~ is negation, => is material implication, and * is conjunction, and p and q
are proposition representing facts that either exist or not. So the
consistency of all facts means that reality is a conjunction of all facts,
written a*b*c*d*e*....
But a conjunction implies that each fact proves the other,
p*q => (p=>q)*(q=>p).
And this means that the conjunction of reality produces an implication
between every fact in reality. Such a conjunction between all facts can be
rearranged into paths, where each path is a series of implication with the
conclusion of one implication being the premise of the next, forming a path
from a starting state to a final state.
Now in a sample space the probability of a conjunction of events is the
multiplication of the probability of each event. Conjunction maps to
multiplication. Therefore, since there is two implications for each
multiplication, implication, =>, maps to the square root of a probability,
in other words, a probability amplitude.
Implication mapping to a square root introduce complex numbers; each
implication is a complex number in general. Each complex number will have a
phase expressed as the exponential of an imaginary number. A conjunction of
many implications from start to finish of one path will map to exponential
of an imaginary sum. Disjunction of all the possible paths will map to a sum
of an exponential of an imaginary sum. If the states differ only
differentially, this becomes a path integral formulation.
More at:
http://www.sirus.com/users/mjake/Physlogic.htm
I would appreciate your comments. Thank you.
.

User: "Androcles"

Title: Re: Quantum mechanics from logic alone? 26 Apr 2007 05:58:23 AM
"Mike" <mjake@sirus.removethis.andthis.com> wrote in message =
news:462fff6d$0$20598$6d2eeca5@news.sirus.com...

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believe it is possible to derive the path integral formulation of =

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written a*b*c*d*e*....
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between every fact in reality. Such a conjunction between all facts =

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multiplication. Therefore, since there is two implications for each=20
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in other words, a probability amplitude.
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Implication mapping to a square root introduce complex numbers; each=20
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of an exponential of an imaginary sum. If the states differ only=20
differentially, this becomes a path integral formulation.
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More at:
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http://www.sirus.com/users/mjake/Physlogic.htm
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I would appreciate your comments. Thank you.=20

Three simple observations:=20
1) Is a torus bipolar? If it is, p=3D>~q.
More at
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/AC/m.gif
2) Which way does direct current flow, (+ve to -ve) or (-ve to +ve)?
(Whichever you pick, I'll prove you wrong.)
3) What does "differ differentially" mean?
=20
.

User: "Huang Xien Chen"

Title: Re: Quantum mechanics from logic alone? 25 Apr 2007 08:54:29 PM

Starting from the premise that all facts are consistent with each other, I
believe it is possible to derive the path integral formulation of quantum
mechanics. This would give us physics from logic alone.

Bzzzzzztttt....... - Kurt Godel.
Nice start though -


The consistency of all facts requires that it is never the case that any
fact in reality will ever prove false any other fact in reality. This is
written in logic as ~(p=>~q). But this is logically equivalent to p*q,

where

~ is negation, => is material implication, and * is conjunction, and p and

q

are proposition representing facts that either exist or not. So the
consistency of all facts means that reality is a conjunction of all facts,
written a*b*c*d*e*....

But a conjunction implies that each fact proves the other,
p*q => (p=>q)*(q=>p).
And this means that the conjunction of reality produces an implication
between every fact in reality. Such a conjunction between all facts can be
rearranged into paths, where each path is a series of implication with the
conclusion of one implication being the premise of the next, forming a

path

from a starting state to a final state.

Now in a sample space the probability of a conjunction of events is the
multiplication of the probability of each event. Conjunction maps to
multiplication. Therefore, since there is two implications for each
multiplication, implication, =>, maps to the square root of a probability,
in other words, a probability amplitude.

Implication mapping to a square root introduce complex numbers; each
implication is a complex number in general. Each complex number will have

a

phase expressed as the exponential of an imaginary number. A conjunction

of

many implications from start to finish of one path will map to exponential
of an imaginary sum. Disjunction of all the possible paths will map to a

sum

of an exponential of an imaginary sum. If the states differ only
differentially, this becomes a path integral formulation.

More at:

http://www.sirus.com/users/mjake/Physlogic.htm

I would appreciate your comments. Thank you.


.
User: "Mike"

Title: Re: Quantum mechanics from logic alone? 26 Apr 2007 09:45:54 AM
"Huang Xien Chen" <huangxienchen@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:EMmdne6xy5TRmq3bnZ2dnUVZ_oytnZ2d@comcast.com...


Starting from the premise that all facts are consistent with each other,
I
believe it is possible to derive the path integral formulation of quantum
mechanics. This would give us physics from logic alone.


Bzzzzzztttt....... - Kurt Godel.

Nice start though -

The incompleteness theorem of Kurt Godel is irrelevant here. I'm not trying
to prove the completeness of math here. I'm not even trying to prove the
completeness of physics here either. I'm only suggesting that one can get QM
with only considerations of logic and sample spaces. Try reading the details
on the link provided, and see if you can find errors or inconsistencies. But
your "Kurt Godel" objection only seems to suggest that logical is totally
irrelevant to any physics, which I think should be rejected out of hand.
.



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