Science > Physics > Re: Big Bang Busted in Science Classes for High Schools
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"Shrikantha S. Shastry" |
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10 Jun 2004 12:19:20 AM |
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Re: Big Bang Busted in Science Classes for High Schools |
(G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote in message news:<21533-40C78421-4@storefull-3175.bay.webtv.net>...
Hi Shastry All my theories come out of the gravity force. All the
other forces as you read my theories are just different "faces" created
and evolved by gravity. Fine but I feel the universe was created by a
singularity plus the fabric of space. Singularity are created by
gravity(yes?) The big bang was created by an explosion created by
gravity(yes?) I could bring in my own thoughts,but lets go "classicaL"
To theorize that the singularity has all there is in its blue print to
create the human brain(nature's most complicated structure is pushing
it. Bert
Well, Bert, from where did the gravity come, initially? On the
contrary, all your and the present day theories are within the
singularity, for it is all inclusive, the whole of universe.
Now, since the universe has the structure unlike singularity, this
structure is due to the structure of the observers. There is no
universe without the observers, just the singularity. And so, why
bigbang creation or evolution? As such, how can they be taught as
facts?
S S Shastry
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14 Jun 2004 05:06:47 AM |
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(Double-A) wrote in message news:<79094630.0406101526.afe8ed8@posting.google.com>...
herbertglazier@webtv.net (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote in message news:<8925-40C8636D-142@storefull-3174.bay.webtv.net>...
Shastry Please do not go as you did with nightbat,and just keep
repeating (going round and round) Gravity was always there. The fabric
of space was always there. To ask where they came from we might never
know. We know the singularity came from crushed matter. Crushed so
hard that it takes up no space.It has infinite mass. A blackhole takes
up no space,and is a hole in the fabric of space,and no bigger than the
size of a proton,or smaller. Gravity + space energy = universe.
Bert
I think that from Shastry's point of view it's not a matter of "where
did it all come from", but rather "where is it all coming from".
Double-A
Right, Double-A, the past present and future observers' universe is
illusory based on the real singularity which is our innermost eternal
self. And so, such an illusory universe needs neither creation nor
evolution. As such, how can they be taught as facts in schools and
colleges?
S S Shastry
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14 Jun 2004 09:35:16 AM |
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(Shrikantha S. Shastry) wrote in message news:<92a87ac5.0406140206.5ce70e5d@posting.google.com>...
double-a@hush.com (Double-A) wrote in message news:<79094630.0406101526.afe8ed8@posting.google.com>...
herbertglazier@webtv.net (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote in message news:<8925-40C8636D-142@storefull-3174.bay.webtv.net>...
Shastry Please do not go as you did with nightbat,and just keep
repeating (going round and round) Gravity was always there. The fabric
of space was always there. To ask where they came from we might never
know. We know the singularity came from crushed matter. Crushed so
hard that it takes up no space.It has infinite mass. A blackhole takes
up no space,and is a hole in the fabric of space,and no bigger than the
size of a proton,or smaller. Gravity + space energy = universe.
Bert
I think that from Shastry's point of view it's not a matter of "where
did it all come from", but rather "where is it all coming from".
Double-A
Right, Double-A, the past present and future observers' universe is
illusory based on the real singularity which is our innermost eternal
self. And so, such an illusory universe needs neither creation nor
evolution. As such, how can they be taught as facts in schools and
colleges?
S S Shastry
As you can see, Bert and Nightbat, I am now "enlightened" and can
grasp and understand Shastry's point of view, and be in full harmony
with it.
But the two of you are still stumbling around in the dark, blinded by
your own delusionary theories of the illusory universe.
Turn the lights on inside you brains and look inward to the real
singularity inside your selves from which all experience comes.
And by the way, this really has nothing to do with black holes.
Double-A
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24 Jun 2004 05:05:14 AM |
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(Bill Sheppard) wrote in message news:<17352-40CDCA95-202@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net>...
From Double-A, tongue in cheek:
As you can see, Bert and Nightbat, I am
now "enlightened" and can grasp and
understand Shastry's point of view, and
be in full harmony with it.
From ol' Shas' point of view, he's absolutely correct. Since he does not
recognize the Unified and unifying Field of the spatial medium, he can
only see the singularity AND its offshoot which he calls "the illusion".
He can only see the duality of what he labels the 'real' and the
'illusory'. From his frame of referance, he is correct.
But from Herr Wolter's frame of referance, there is the
spatial medium which is an unbroken extension/ expansion/ continuum OF
the pre-BigBang Singularity. It includes and embraces the material,
visible universe and its thermodynamic laws which is our consensus
reality (or 'dustbunny'). The Singularity, spatial medium, and dustbunny
are all One and equally real. There is no separation, no duality. It's
the 'Law of One', or state of Singularity. Gravitation and the BB
process constitute a balanced dipole sharing the Singularity as the
'ground state' of being.
So Shas is correct under his dualistic 'no medium'
premise. And Wolter is simply reiterating the ancient knowledge of the
unity of all things, but in modern language and lexicon, recognizing the
reality of the Unified and unifying spatial medium. oc
Again, Sheppard, singularity and the universe cannot be taken as an
unbroken continuum, for, singularity is the basis for the universe
without itself under going any modification (no big bang). As such,
the observable dual universe is basically the nonobservable nondual
singularity itself. Consequently, dual universe based nondual
singularity as stated by me is actually nonduality and not duality as
understood by you.
S S Shastry
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12 Jul 2004 09:43:34 AM |
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(Shrikantha S. Shastry) wrote in message news:<92a87ac5.0406140206.5ce70e5d@posting.google.com>...
double-a@hush.com (Double-A) wrote in message news:<79094630.0406101526.afe8ed8@posting.google.com>...
herbertglazier@webtv.net (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote in message news:<8925-40C8636D-142@storefull-3174.bay.webtv.net>...
Shastry Please do not go as you did with nightbat,and just keep
repeating (going round and round) Gravity was always there. The fabric
of space was always there. To ask where they came from we might never
know. We know the singularity came from crushed matter. Crushed so
hard that it takes up no space.It has infinite mass. A blackhole takes
up no space,and is a hole in the fabric of space,and no bigger than the
size of a proton,or smaller. Gravity + space energy = universe.
Bert
I think that from Shastry's point of view it's not a matter of "where
did it all come from", but rather "where is it all coming from".
Double-A
Right, Double-A, the past present and future observers' universe is
illusory based on the real singularity which is our innermost eternal
self. And so, such an illusory universe needs neither creation nor
evolution. As such, how can they be taught as facts in schools and
colleges?
S S Shastry
What is singularity! Pls., give some expln, so that any one can ttrryy
to understand!
Srinivas
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| User: "Laurent" |
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12 Jul 2004 03:17:07 PM |
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"Srinivas B T" <mails4srinivas@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Shastry Please do not go as you did with nightbat,and just
keep
repeating (going round and round) Gravity was always there.
The fabric
of space was always there. To ask where they came from we
might never
know. We know the singularity came from crushed matter.
Crushed so
hard that it takes up no space.It has infinite mass. A
blackhole takes
up no space,and is a hole in the fabric of space,and no
bigger than the
size of a proton,or smaller. Gravity + space energy
= universe.
Bert
I think that from Shastry's point of view it's not a matter of
"where
did it all come from", but rather "where is it all coming
from".
Double-A
Right, Double-A, the past present and future observers' universe
is
illusory based on the real singularity which is our innermost
eternal
self. And so, such an illusory universe needs neither creation
nor
evolution. As such, how can they be taught as facts in schools
and
colleges?
S S Shastry
What is singularity! Pls., give some expln, so that any one can
ttrryy
to understand!
Srinivas
Singularity and aether are synonymous, so you could go to my aether
post to find out what a singularity is.
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Laurent
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| User: "Shrikantha S. Shastry" |
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13 Jul 2004 01:06:14 AM |
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(Srinivas B T) wrote in message news:<3b0246ce.0407120643.613d5045@posting.google.com>...
shrikanthas@yahoo.com (Shrikantha S. Shastry) wrote in message news:<92a87ac5.0406140206.5ce70e5d@posting.google.com>...
double-a@hush.com (Double-A) wrote in message news:<79094630.0406101526.afe8ed8@posting.google.com>...
herbertglazier@webtv.net (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote in message news:<8925-40C8636D-142@storefull-3174.bay.webtv.net>...
Shastry Please do not go as you did with nightbat,and just keep
repeating (going round and round) Gravity was always there. The fabric
of space was always there. To ask where they came from we might never
know. We know the singularity came from crushed matter. Crushed so
hard that it takes up no space.It has infinite mass. A blackhole takes
up no space,and is a hole in the fabric of space,and no bigger than the
size of a proton,or smaller. Gravity + space energy = universe.
Bert
I think that from Shastry's point of view it's not a matter of "where
did it all come from", but rather "where is it all coming from".
Double-A
Right, Double-A, the past present and future observers' universe is
illusory based on the real singularity which is our innermost eternal
self. And so, such an illusory universe needs neither creation nor
evolution. As such, how can they be taught as facts in schools and
colleges?
S S Shastry
What is singularity! Pls., give some expln, so that any one can ttrryy
to understand!
Srinivas
Singularity is the most misunderstood and misinterpreted reality in
the present day physics and maths. Singularity being infinity at zero,
can only be a nonmaterial like infinite consciousness at the point
zero.
S S Shastry
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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13 Jul 2004 08:28:43 AM |
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"Shrikantha S. Shastry" wrote
Singularity is the most misunderstood and misinterpreted reality in
the present day physics and maths. Singularity being infinity at zero,
can only be a nonmaterial like infinite consciousness at the point
zero.
A sigularity is one of the simplist concept in present day physics and
mathematics, but obviously confusing for Shastry.
Singularity
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Singularity.html
Singularity Theorem
http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/SingularityTheorem.html
Naked Singularity
http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/NakedSingularity.html
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| User: "Shrikantha S. Shastry" |
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15 Jul 2004 12:18:41 AM |
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Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message news:<40F3E388.575C4375@mchsi.com>...
"Shrikantha S. Shastry" wrote
Singularity is the most misunderstood and misinterpreted reality in
the present day physics and maths. Singularity being infinity at zero,
can only be a nonmaterial like infinite consciousness at the point
zero.
A sigularity is one of the simplist concept in present day physics and
mathematics, but obviously confusing for Shastry.
Singularity
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Singularity.html
Singularity Theorem
http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/SingularityTheorem.html
Naked Singularity
http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/NakedSingularity.html
Actually, singularity has been treated simplistically by
approximating, misinterpreting, avoiding or simply ignoring it in the
present day physics and maths, without realising its preeminent role
as the foundation for the universe.
Now, recognition of singularity as the consciousness is a step
farthest to the consciousness essential in the formulation of physics
and maths etc, which may be confusing to you, others and not me,
Wormley.
S S Shastry
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| User: "Shrikantha S. Shastry" |
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15 Jul 2004 12:55:10 AM |
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Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message news:<40F3E388.575C4375@mchsi.com>...
"Shrikantha S. Shastry" wrote
Singularity is the most misunderstood and misinterpreted reality in
the present day physics and maths. Singularity being infinity at zero,
can only be a nonmaterial like infinite consciousness at the point
zero.
A sigularity is one of the simplist concept in present day physics and
mathematics, but obviously confusing for Shastry.
Singularity
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Singularity.html
Singularity Theorem
http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/SingularityTheorem.html
Naked Singularity
http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/NakedSingularity.html
Actually, singularity has been treated simplistically by
approximating, misinterpreting, avoiding or simply ignoring it in the
present day physics and maths, without realising its preeminent role
as the foundation of the universe.
Now, recognition of singularity as the consciousness is also essential
in the formulation physics, maths etc, which may be confusing to you,
others and not to me, Wormley.
S S Shastry
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| User: "Mitchell" |
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15 Jul 2004 07:09:00 PM |
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(Shrikantha S. Shastry) wrote in message news:<92a87ac5.0407142155.639ebbe4@posting.google.com>...
Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message news:<40F3E388.575C4375@mchsi.com>...
"Shrikantha S. Shastry" wrote
Singularity is the most misunderstood and misinterpreted reality in
the present day physics and maths. Singularity being infinity at zero,
can only be a nonmaterial like infinite consciousness at the point
zero.
A sigularity is one of the simplist concept in present day physics and
mathematics, but obviously confusing for Shastry.
Singularity
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Singularity.html
Singularity Theorem
http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/SingularityTheorem.html
Naked Singularity
http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/NakedSingularity.html
Actually, singularity has been treated simplistically by
approximating, misinterpreting, avoiding or simply ignoring it in the
present day physics and maths, without realising its preeminent role
as the foundation of the universe.
Now, recognition of singularity as the consciousness is also essential
in the formulation physics, maths etc, which may be confusing to you,
others and not to me, Wormley.
S S Shastry
Another advocate that a mindless lump is actually the reason for everything.
It itself is the mind behind creation?
You're really an idiot.
Singularities don't extist because you can't have matter without time.
Which came first mass or space-time?
-- No space-time without mass.
And if you say there is matter in the begining you have to then
say there was no gravity otherwise there could be no expansion
against the infinite gravity of the entire universe's mass.
Get my drift?
Mitch Raemsch
-- Light Falls --
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| User: "Laurent" |
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16 Jul 2004 03:27:17 PM |
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"Mitchell" <macromitch@internetCDS.com> wrote in message
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shrikanthas@yahoo.com (Shrikantha S. Shastry) wrote in message
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Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message
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"Shrikantha S. Shastry" wrote
Singularity is the most misunderstood and misinterpreted
reality in
the present day physics and maths. Singularity being
infinity at zero,
can only be a nonmaterial like infinite consciousness at the
point
zero.
A sigularity is one of the simplist concept in present day
physics and
mathematics, but obviously confusing for Shastry.
Singularity
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Singularity.html
Singularity Theorem
http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/SingularityTheorem.html
Naked Singularity
http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/NakedSingularity.html
Actually, singularity has been treated simplistically by
approximating, misinterpreting, avoiding or simply ignoring it
in the
present day physics and maths, without realising its preeminent
role
as the foundation of the universe.
Now, recognition of singularity as the consciousness is also
essential
in the formulation physics, maths etc, which may be confusing to
you,
others and not to me, Wormley.
S S Shastry
Another advocate that a mindless lump is actually the reason for
everything.
It itself is the mind behind creation?
You're really an idiot.
Singularities don't extist because you can't have matter without
time.
Which came first mass or space-time?
-- No space-time without mass.
And if you say there is matter in the begining you have to then
say there was no gravity otherwise there could be no expansion
against the infinite gravity of the entire universe's mass.
Get my drift?
Mitch Raemsch
-- Light Falls --
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There is Jung's collective Mind and then there is the mind
neuroscientists study.
Mitch, explain this one - how can a dog sense his owner is coming
home 15 minutes before showing up, even if his owner was returning
home out of the scheduled time?
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Laurent
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16 Jul 2004 03:56:22 PM |
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Laurent wrote:
Mitch, explain this one - how can a dog sense his owner is coming
home 15 minutes before showing up, even if his owner was returning
home out of the scheduled time?
cite double blind studies!
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| User: "MorituriMax" |
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16 Jul 2004 12:08:42 AM |
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Mitchell wrote:
Another advocate that a mindless lump is actually the reason for everything.
It itself is the mind behind creation?
You're really an idiot.
You really shouldn't insult anyone smarter than you.. oh wait oops... that is
everyone else..
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| User: "Mitchell" |
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16 Jul 2004 06:01:39 PM |
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"MorituriMax" <newage@sendarico.net> wrote in message news:<upJJc.48294$mY2.2178@fe1.texas.rr.com>...
Mitchell wrote:
Another advocate that a mindless lump is actually the reason for everything.
It itself is the mind behind creation?
You're really an idiot.
You really shouldn't insult anyone smarter than you.. oh wait oops... that is
everyone else..
I never said I was smart. I don't have to be. I know What is smart.
Mitch Raemsch
-- Light Falls --
-- Time moves --
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16 Jul 2004 09:32:10 PM |
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Mitchell wrote:
I never said I was smart. I don't have to be. I know What is smart.
What?
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13 Jul 2004 03:12:00 AM |
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Shrikantha S. Shastry wrote:
Singularity is the most misunderstood and misinterpreted reality in
the present day physics and maths. Singularity being infinity at zero,
can only be a nonmaterial like infinite consciousness at the point
zero.
Move this to philosophy forum.
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| User: "Shrikantha S. Shastry" |
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15 Jul 2004 12:42:49 AM |
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"MorituriMax" <newage@sendarico.net> wrote in message news:<kPMIc.49668$W6.26546@fe2.texas.rr.com>...
Shrikantha S. Shastry wrote:
Singularity is the most misunderstood and misinterpreted reality in
the present day physics and maths. Singularity being infinity at zero,
can only be a nonmaterial like infinite consciousness at the point
zero.
Move this to philosophy forum.
Why? Consciousness is not necessary for formulation of physics and maths?
S S Shastry
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15 Jul 2004 09:04:55 AM |
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Shrikantha S. Shastry wrote:
"MorituriMax" <newage@sendarico.net> wrote in message
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Shrikantha S. Shastry wrote:
Singularity is the most misunderstood and misinterpreted reality in
the present day physics and maths. Singularity being infinity at zero,
can only be a nonmaterial like infinite consciousness at the point
zero.
Move this to philosophy forum.
Why? Consciousness is not necessary for formulation of physics and maths?
I need my hand to move the mouse or the pencil that documents science, that
doesn't mean I fill this forum with crap about my anatomy.
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16 Jul 2004 01:16:23 AM |
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"MorituriMax" <newage@sendarico.net> wrote in message news:<bawJc.44344$mY2.6421@fe1.texas.rr.com>...
Shrikantha S. Shastry wrote:
"MorituriMax" <newage@sendarico.net> wrote in message
news:<kPMIc.49668$W6.26546@fe2.texas.rr.com>...
Shrikantha S. Shastry wrote:
Singularity is the most misunderstood and misinterpreted reality in
the present day physics and maths. Singularity being infinity at zero,
can only be a nonmaterial like infinite consciousness at the point
zero.
Move this to philosophy forum.
Why? Consciousness is not necessary for formulation of physics and maths?
I need my hand to move the mouse or the pencil that documents science, that
doesn't mean I fill this forum with crap about my anatomy.
From your post above, it is clear that you are filling this forum with
crap about your anatomy etc, and not me. No wonder, you are unaware of
new physics where consciousness is the foundation for the quantum and
relativity theories of physics.
S S Shastry
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| User: "MorituriMax" |
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16 Jul 2004 02:27:53 AM |
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Shrikantha S. Shastry wrote:
From your post above, it is clear that you are filling this forum with
crap about your anatomy etc, and not me. No wonder, you are unaware of
new physics where consciousness is the foundation for the quantum and
relativity theories of physics.
No, what I was doing was giving you an example of why the crap you *constantly*
post is crap... if you cannot handle the explanation, then kindly refrain from
going off on voodoo tangents to distract from the original intent.
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12 Jul 2004 09:51:05 AM |
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Srinivas B T wrote:
What is singularity! Pls., give some expln, so that any one can ttrryy
to understand!
Singularity
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Singularity.html
Singularity Theorem
http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/SingularityTheorem.html
Naked Singularity
http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/NakedSingularity.html
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| User: "Shrikantha S. Shastry" |
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| Title: Re: Big Bang Busted in Science Classes for High Schools |
14 Jun 2004 04:46:30 AM |
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nightbat <nightbat@home.ffni.com> wrote in message news:<40C89489.9C789EEC@home.ffni.com>...
nightbat wrote
G=EMC^2 Glazier wrote:
Shastry Please do not go as you did with nightbat,and just keep
repeating (going round and round) Gravity was always there. The fabric
of space was always there. To ask where they came from we might never
know. We know the singularity came from crushed matter. Crushed so
hard that it takes up no space.It has infinite mass. A blackhole takes
up no space,and is a hole in the fabric of space,and no bigger than the
size of a proton,or smaller. Gravity + space energy = universe.
Bert
nightbat
Ha, ha, Bert, no use trying to logically dialog with Shastry, he
has a one track made-up illusory Universe mind. And as I explained to
him the Einstein presented mathematical paradox curiosity of infinite
energy/mass in theoretical zero volume ( no outlet )is a null real world
premise of which I provided said resolution to Shastry. I have also
explained to both of you, there are no theoretical possibility for real
world black holes, for all energy and mass take up volume no matter how
quantum dimensionally micro small the particle or gravitationally field
condensed. The background fabric volume of space is pure quantum energy
and the fifth dimension. Causation of gravity is the curled default
effect of all energy and mass attempting to renormalize back to base
ground field in a highly disturbed higher micro and macro one.
the nightbat
Why are you, Bert& nightbat, unable to grasp this simple worldview of
illusory observers' universe within the real singularity? Indeed,
yours', present and past theories are delusory of the illusory
observers' universe within the real singularity.
S S Shastry
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| User: "nightbat" |
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| Title: Re: Big Bang Busted in Science Classes for High Schools |
14 Jun 2004 05:54:24 AM |
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nightbat wrote
"Shrikantha S. Shastry" wrote:
nightbat <nightbat@home.ffni.com> wrote in message news:<40C89489.9C789EEC@home.ffni.com>...
nightbat wrote
G=EMC^2 Glazier wrote:
Shastry Please do not go as you did with nightbat,and just keep
repeating (going round and round) Gravity was always there. The fabric
of space was always there. To ask where they came from we might never
know. We know the singularity came from crushed matter. Crushed so
hard that it takes up no space.It has infinite mass. A blackhole takes
up no space,and is a hole in the fabric of space,and no bigger than the
size of a proton,or smaller. Gravity + space energy = universe.
Bert
nightbat
Ha, ha, Bert, no use trying to logically dialog with Shastry, he
has a one track made-up illusory Universe mind. And as I explained to
him the Einstein presented mathematical paradox curiosity of infinite
energy/mass in theoretical zero volume ( no outlet )is a null real world
premise of which I provided said resolution to Shastry. I have also
explained to both of you, there are no theoretical possibility for real
world black holes, for all energy and mass take up volume no matter how
quantum dimensionally micro small the particle or gravitationally field
condensed. The background fabric volume of space is pure quantum energy
and the fifth dimension. Causation of gravity is the curled default
effect of all energy and mass attempting to renormalize back to base
ground field in a highly disturbed higher micro and macro one.
the nightbat
Why are you, Bert& nightbat, unable to grasp this simple worldview of
illusory observers' universe within the real singularity? Indeed,
yours', present and past theories are delusory of the illusory
observers' universe within the real singularity.
S S Shastry
nightbat
News Shastry, your belief that the Universe is totally illusory
except for physics paradox singularity is your own admitted delusion,
seek help. Get over it for I don't intend to go round again with an
individual that perceives the real world as fantasy and your singularity
multi personal attribute interpretations as what must be reality. First
learn to measure the world around you and do comparative analysis before
sprouting off nothing is real except your clueless understanding of it.
If you think you and everything around you is an illusion or just a
dream then pinch yourself and try waking up, but please don't complain
if you leave a mark and suddenly realize, hay, nightbat is right, I
really felt that. Don't let all those pretty girls or other enjoyable
things around you pass you by.
the nightbat
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| User: "Shrikantha S. Shastry" |
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| Title: Re: Big Bang Busted in Science Classes for High Schools |
16 Jun 2004 05:28:36 AM |
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Why are you, Bert& nightbat, unable to grasp this simple worldview of
illusory observers' universe within the real singularity? Indeed,
yours', present and past theories are delusory of the illusory
observers' universe within the real singularity.
S S Shastry
nightbat
News Shastry, your belief that the Universe is totally illusory
except for physics paradox singularity is your own admitted delusion,
seek help. Get over it for I don't intend to go round again with an
individual that perceives the real world as fantasy and your singularity
multi personal attribute interpretations as what must be reality. First
learn to measure the world around you and do comparative analysis before
sprouting off nothing is real except your clueless understanding of it.
If you think you and everything around you is an illusion or just a
dream then pinch yourself and try waking up, but please don't complain
if you leave a mark and suddenly realize, hay, nightbat is right, I
really felt that. Don't let all those pretty girls or other enjoyable
things around you pass you by.
the nightbat
While dreaming, you experience the dream as real. It is only on waking
up it dawns on you that it was after all a dream. Similarly, while you
are in the illusory universe you experience it to be real. And so,
wake up, nightbat, to the real singularity, from the illusory universe
which is delusory, misleading among others to your theories, creation
and evolution.
Now you know pinching oneslf is not a test of reality. It can be
experienced even in dreams. On waking up it is ignored as dream. You
are sure about reality of the universe without knowing what reality
exactly means.
S S Shastry
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| User: "Shrikantha S. Shastry" |
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| Title: Re: Shastry sez... |
18 Jun 2004 05:50:37 AM |
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(Bill Sheppard) wrote in message news:<14309-40D02DDB-6@storefull-3178.bay.webtv.net>...
Shastry to Nightbat:
Now you know pinching oneslf is not a
test of reality. It can be experienced
even in dreams. On waking up it is
ignored as dream. You are sure about
reality of the universe without knowing
what reality exactly means.
Now Shas, you ol' guru, it's about time to evolve from the _dualism_
you're now under to the concept of Oneness or non-duality. The
experience OF dreaming is real, just as a mirage is real. So if the
material universe is 'God's dream' or a 'dream within a dream', it is
nonetheless a real dream, and just as Real as the Dreamer. It is NOT an
"illusion" separate and apart. Our physical experience here is just as
Real as the Singularity from which it springs. There is no separation or
"illusory-ness".
Oneness is the central theme of all the Yogis, sadhus,
sages and avatars. So get hip, Baba. oc
Well, Sheppard, first of all let me make it clear that my endeavour,
as you have seen, is to resolve the problem of singularity in physics.
Now, where is dualism in spite of my repeated assertions on
singularity? There is no dualism within the singularity which is the
origin of the illusory universe.
Negation within the nondual singularity is impossible, and therefore
it alone is Real. It is in the singularity based illusory universe
there is the dualism, observer and the observed, here negation is
possible.
Now, the dual universe is basically the nondual singularity, for, the
dual universe is merely the appearance of nondual singularity. And so,
nondual singularity alone is real, dual universe, its appearance is
illusory.
As such, you can see the universe, dreaming within it etc, are all
illusory and not real, wherever duality is involved. It is only
singularity which is real and nothing else. Illusory universe cannot
be real until is known as the real singularity when singularity alone
remains without the illusory universe.
S S Shastry
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