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22 Jan 2008 10:56:25 PM |
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Re: Bush proposes Palestinian state |
On Jan 17, "Jerry B. Altzman" <jba...@altzman.com> wrote:
but certainly not with Bush's FY09 proposal that
has every scientific society up in arms.
BUSH is the solution? =A0The king puts breakfast
on your children's table, hey?
No -- not at all. I'm saying you're not seeing it from
the public sector, either.
I don't.
I see the public as a collection of individuals, each
making his own choice, i.e. the marketplace.
What, exactly, is the "public sector", and how
does one "see it" from there?
Is anyone here familiar with market economics?
Why yes, yes I am.
Are you saying that the free market will spontaneously
come up with better energy solutions?
So you're "familiar" with it, but don't believe
in it... when you gave that answer on the exam,
what grade did you receive?
I'm familiar with the Koran, but I'm not a Muslim.
Geez, Sam, if you got any stupider you'd be Hal.
As Mr. Spock would say: fascinating.
So, the laws of economics are a personal choice,
to believe or not believe...
I believe you claim some science credentials,
where or what sort I'm not clear... if you quiz
a student on thermodynamics, and he answers,
"Sure, I'm familiar with that entropy stuff, but
I don't believe in it, given the current political
and environmental situation; it's a luxury we
can't afford".... you give him a passing grade?
It's done a bang-up job until now. I look
around me to see wonderful fusion reactors, wind farms,
large scale solar deployments, etc. etc.
There's no need for anything till now... none of
those things have been competitive with petroleum!
*****.
Fusion not competitive with petroleum?
it will be a long process of fossil fuel depletion.
There's plenty of time for the market to anticipate...
that means investors and engineers spending
their OWN money, for their own reward or loss...
And the rest of the world be damned.
I do believe you're serious. Amazing.
--
Rich
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| User: "Jerry B. Altzman" |
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| Title: Re: Bush proposes Palestinian state |
23 Jan 2008 09:04:21 AM |
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on 2008-01-22 23:56 Sam the Bam said the following:
On Jan 17, "Jerry B. Altzman" <jba...@altzman.com> wrote:
but certainly not with Bush's FY09 proposal that
has every scientific society up in arms.
BUSH is the solution? The king puts breakfast
on your children's table, hey?
No -- not at all. I'm saying you're not seeing it from
the public sector, either.
I don't.
I see the public as a collection of individuals, each
making his own choice, i.e. the marketplace.
Ah...I see "the public" as also having a separate identity based on the
good of the entire group, not of any single individual.
In this way we can avoid the tragedy of the commons.
What, exactly, is the "public sector", and how
does one "see it" from there?
By taking off one's blinders. Or, in your case, by being hit on the back
of the head with an 18" piece of #6 rebar.
I'm familiar with the Koran, but I'm not a Muslim.
Geez, Sam, if you got any stupider you'd be Hal.
As Mr. Spock would say: fascinating.
If only you were as logical as Spock.
So, the laws of economics are a personal choice,
to believe or not believe...
Where did I claim that?
I believe you claim some science credentials,
where or what sort I'm not clear... if you quiz
a student on thermodynamics, and he answers,
"Sure, I'm familiar with that entropy stuff, but
I don't believe in it, given the current political
and environmental situation; it's a luxury we
can't afford".... you give him a passing grade?
I did not claim that. I claimed that being familiar with a subject does
not ipso facto make one a believer in it.
I'm "familiar" with the free market (the context of your current
incoherent ramblings) and I asked:
Are you saying that the free market will spontaneously
come up with better energy solutions?
which you deftly refused to answer. My opinion is that the "free market"
(insofar as any *real* market in which we might be participating is
"free") will NOT, of its own accord (as if a market could have a single
mind and direction) come up with better energy solutions until it is
possibly too late. There are too many interests within the free market
that would simply have a plain greedy consumption mentality.
There's no need for anything till now... none of
those things have been competitive with petroleum!
*****.
Fusion not competitive with petroleum?
The silence of your lack of response to this is deafening.
it will be a long process of fossil fuel depletion.
There's plenty of time for the market to anticipate...
that means investors and engineers spending
their OWN money, for their own reward or loss...
And the rest of the world be damned.
I do believe you're serious. Amazing.
No, I'm saying that the market will likely blindly "choose" the cheapest
alternative (coal) and continue to do so until such a time as it becomes
too hard to actually generate better power in a world in which it would
be at all pleasant to live.
I hate to say it, but Gerald Moffat is right: you *are* a first-class idiot.
//jbaltz
--
jerry b. altzman www.jbaltz.com
thank you for contributing to the heat death of the universe.
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| User: "Sam the Bam" |
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| Title: Re: Bush proposes Palestinian state |
30 Jan 2008 12:20:43 AM |
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On Jan 23, "Jerry B. Altzman" <jba...@altzman.com> wrote:
No -- not at all. I'm saying you're not seeing it from
the public sector, either.
I don't.
I see the public as a collection of individuals, each
making his own choice, =A0i.e. the marketplace.
Ah...I see "the public" as also having a separate identity based on the
good of the entire group, not of any single individual.
The 'good of the group' is a mirage. Human society is
not a beehive, we are not drones serving the queen.
In this way we can avoid the tragedy of the commons.
The tragedy of the commons stems from unowned
property. No one has responsibility for profit or loss,
so everyone trashes it.
We're talking about investment in new products.
The comparison fails.
What, exactly, is the "public sector", and how
does one "see it" from there?
By taking off one's blinders. Or, in your case, by being hit on the back
of the head with an 18" piece of #6 rebar.
BONK!
"oh, we be such lucky niggas, livin on such a fine
plantation, wid such a wise and carin massa to look
after us, da massa know what's best for us po'
dumb niggas"
I'm familiar with the Koran, but I'm not a Muslim.
Geez, Sam, if you got any stupider you'd be Hal.
As Mr. Spock would say: fascinating.
So, the laws of economics are a personal choice,
to believe or not believe...
Where did I claim that?
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Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: "Jerry B. Altzman" <jba...@altzman.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008
Is anyone here familiar with market economics?
Why yes, yes I am.
So you're "familiar" with it, but don't believe
in it... when you gave that answer on the exam,
what grade did you receive?
I'm familiar with the Koran, but I'm not a Muslim.
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
There appears to be a contagious senility germ
floating around this board...
I believe you claim some science credentials,
where or what sort I'm not clear... if you quiz
a student on thermodynamics, and he answers,
"Sure, I'm familiar with that entropy stuff, but
I don't believe in it, given the current political
and environmental situation; it's a luxury we
can't afford".... you give him a passing grade?
I did not claim that. I claimed that being familiar with a subject does
not ipso facto make one a believer in it.
I'm "familiar" with the free market (the context of your current
incoherent ramblings) and I asked:
Are you saying that the free market will spontaneously
come up with better energy solutions?
which you deftly refused to answer.
My opinion is that the "free market" (insofar as any *real*
market in which we might be participating is "free")
will NOT, of its own accord come up with better energy solutions
until it is possibly too late. There are too many interests within the fre=
e
market that would simply have a plain greedy consumption mentality.
I completely respect your right to your opinion.
It's arrogant, defective, conceited, contradicts history
and reason, and wrong... but never for a second
would I deny your Dog given entitlement.
There's no need for anything till now... none of
those things have been competitive with petroleum!
*****.
Fusion not competitive with petroleum?
The silence of your lack of response to this is deafening.
No comment necessary.
Fusion is competitive with petroleum! super duper.
it will be a long process of fossil fuel depletion.
There's plenty of time for the market to anticipate...
that means investors and engineers spending
their OWN money, for their own reward or loss...
And the rest of the world be damned.
I do believe you're serious. =A0Amazing.
No, I'm saying that the market will likely blindly "choose" the cheapest
alternative (coal) and continue to do so until such a time as it becomes
too hard to actually generate better power in a world in which it would
be at all pleasant to live.
I hate to say it, but Gerald Moffat is right: you *are* a first-class idio=
t.
Steven Landburg's "The Armchair Economist" includes
a story of a 'prominent scientist' at a cocktail party,
lecturing about ecology, natural selection, capitalism, etc.
Landsburg comments "The man may know something
about biology, but nothing about economics", then
proceeds to shred the blowhard's argument, like a
professor grading a term paper.
I wondered if he invented the bit about the party, as a
sort of vehicle. But now I know: you are the guy he's
talking about, JB.
Who is Gerald Moffat and why is he saying these
awful things about me?
Sam
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| User: "nemo_outis" |
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| Title: Re: Bush proposes Palestinian state |
30 Jan 2008 01:08:33 AM |
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Sam the Bam <samthebam1@lycos.com> wrote in
news:55acdb16-b841-4e1f-932a-8a914d6aea5a@l32g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
Who is Gerald Moffat and why is he saying these
awful things about me?
Never heard of him, although your comment suggests he is discerning.
Regards,
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| User: "Jerry B. Altzman" |
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| Title: Re: Bush proposes Palestinian state |
31 Jan 2008 03:18:58 PM |
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on 2008-01-30 01:20 Sam the Bam said the following:
On Jan 23, "Jerry B. Altzman" <jba...@altzman.com> wrote:
No -- not at all. I'm saying you're not seeing it from
the public sector, either.
I don't.
I see the public as a collection of individuals, each
making his own choice, i.e. the marketplace.
Ah...I see "the public" as also having a separate identity based on the
good of the entire group, not of any single individual.
The 'good of the group' is a mirage. Human society is
not a beehive, we are not drones serving the queen.
!!!
Dude, when you've hit bottom, don't keep digging.
There is definitely a 'good of the group' as a species: for example, we
have a biological imperative to keep the species around.
In this way we can avoid the tragedy of the commons.
The tragedy of the commons stems from unowned
property. No one has responsibility for profit or loss,
so everyone trashes it.
It appears that you would like to assign all "unowned" property to
someone or some thing in order to eliminate this tragedy. I'd like to
see your proposal to do that. Let's start with the atmosphere: whose
responsibility shall that common be?
We're talking about investment in new products.
The comparison fails.
The only reason to *have* the new products is to protect "the commons"
in this regard.
What, exactly, is the "public sector", and how
does one "see it" from there?
By taking off one's blinders. Or, in your case, by being hit on the back
of the head with an 18" piece of #6 rebar.
BONK!
And strangely enough, it has not seem to help you yet. Perhaps you need
another.
"oh, we be such lucky niggas, livin on such a fine
plantation, wid such a wise and carin massa to look
after us, da massa know what's best for us po'
dumb niggas"
???
I'm sorry you feel that way. I have never claimed that the government
should act _in loco parentis_ for us all.
I'm familiar with the Koran, but I'm not a Muslim.
Geez, Sam, if you got any stupider you'd be Hal.
As Mr. Spock would say: fascinating.
So, the laws of economics are a personal choice,
to believe or not believe...
Where did I claim that?
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Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: "Jerry B. Altzman" <jba...@altzman.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008
Is anyone here familiar with market economics?
Why yes, yes I am.
So you're "familiar" with it, but don't believe
in it... when you gave that answer on the exam,
what grade did you receive?
I'm familiar with the Koran, but I'm not a Muslim.
======================================
I'm sorry, perhaps my eyes are bad. Where did I claim that "laws of
economics are a personal choice"?
(We could get even more existential and question how binding or exact
these "laws of economics" are in the FIRST place, regardless of my
believe or disbelief in them.)
There appears to be a contagious senility germ
floating around this board...
I can see how you'd feel that, being an idiot.
I completely respect your right to your opinion.
It's arrogant, defective, conceited, contradicts history
and reason, and wrong... but never for a second
would I deny your Dog given entitlement.
Thanks for sharing, Sam!
I hate to say it, but Gerald Moffat is right: you *are* a first-class idiot.
Steven Landburg's "The Armchair Economist" includes
a story of a 'prominent scientist' at a cocktail party,
lecturing about ecology, natural selection, capitalism, etc.
Landsburg comments "The man may know something
about biology, but nothing about economics", then
proceeds to shred the blowhard's argument, like a
professor grading a term paper.
That's lovely, Sam. You're still an idiot.
Who is Gerald Moffat and why is he saying these
awful things about me?
No worries, Sam, I'm sure you wouldn't understand him if he spoke
anyway. He uses big words.
Sam
//jbaltz
--
jerry b. altzman www.jbaltz.com
thank you for contributing to the heat death of the universe.
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| User: "Rabid Weasel" |
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31 Jan 2008 07:22:51 PM |
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On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:18:58 -0500, Jerry B. Altzman wrote:
It appears that you would like to assign all "unowned" property to
someone or some thing in order to eliminate this tragedy. I'd like to
see your proposal to do that. Let's start with the atmosphere: whose
responsibility shall that common be?
I volunteer to take immediate and sole ownership and property of the
entirety of the atmosphere.
I'll start issuing rental bills, bills for services rendered, and bills
for goods used within the month.
Peace favor your sword (IH),
Kirk
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