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"G. L. Bradford" |
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18 Feb 2006 04:23:50 PM |
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Re: .....Complexity as Designer |
There seems to little understanding that all supposed disorganized
randomness, chaos, is actually still organization -- just of a different
order. From within there appears to be total randomness, total chaos, in
play. From outside there is a realization of fundamental laws always in
complete control and the action in progress, in parcel and in all parts, is
adhering to those laws everywhere in everything at all times (completely
organized).
Organization is a constant. That is the timeless edict of fractal
self-similarity. Change (reorganization) is also a constant, the timeless
edict of time. The constant of reorganization is ultimately the constant of
organization (The constant of organization is ultimately the constant of
reorganization). Entropy is ultimately nothing more than reformation,
observed in a realization that both black hole and potential nova states eat
entropy (ending states (end of potential)) for lunch and crap energy
(beginning states (potential beginning)).
In whole and in all parts, the Universe has always been in its end state
and that end state has always been nothing more nor less than just its
fractal self-similar beginning state. End state is always primitive state.
Beginning state is always primitive state. One and same primitive state.
Thus at all times non-sequential / thus at all times sequential. Parallel
sequential (self-similar).
The ultimate test is, can it mirror?! Does it mirror?! It mirrors.
GLB
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| User: "jonathan" |
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| Title: Re: .....Complexity as Designer |
20 Feb 2006 06:57:15 PM |
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"G. L. Bradford" <glbrad01@insightbb.com> wrote in message
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There seems to little understanding that all supposed disorganized
randomness, chaos, is actually still organization -- just of a different
order. From within there appears to be total randomness, total chaos, in
play. From outside there is a realization of fundamental laws always in
complete control and the action in progress, in parcel and in all parts,
is
adhering to those laws everywhere in everything at all times (completely
organized).
Organization is a constant. That is the timeless edict of fractal
self-similarity.
Fractal self similarity only occurs when a system has reached
self organized criticality. This dynamic state causes the self
similar forms across scale. In biology fractal self similarity
would simply be called niche filling. The system must be
higly organized....before..it takes on a fractal form.
Self-Organizing Systems (SOS) FAQ
http://www.calresco.org/sos/sosfaq.htm#3.1
Change (reorganization) is also a constant, the timeless
edict of time. The constant of reorganization is ultimately the constant
of
organization (The constant of organization is ultimately the constant of
reorganization). Entropy is ultimately nothing more than reformation,
observed in a realization that both black hole and potential nova states
eat
entropy (ending states (end of potential)) for lunch and crap energy
(beginning states (potential beginning)).
In whole and in all parts, the Universe has always been in its end state
and that end state has always been nothing more nor less than just its
fractal self-similar beginning state. End state is always primitive state.
Beginning state is always primitive state. One and same primitive state.
Thus at all times non-sequential / thus at all times sequential. Parallel
sequential (self-similar).
The ultimate test is, can it mirror?! Does it mirror?! It mirrors.
GLB
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| User: "G. L. Bradford" |
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| Title: Re: .....Complexity as Designer |
21 Feb 2006 05:30:19 AM |
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"jonathan" <Write@Instead.com> wrote in message
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"G. L. Bradford" <glbrad01@insightbb.com> wrote in message
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There seems to little understanding that all supposed disorganized
randomness, chaos, is actually still organization -- just of a different
order. From within there appears to be total randomness, total chaos, in
play. From outside there is a realization of fundamental laws always in
complete control and the action in progress, in parcel and in all parts,
is
adhering to those laws everywhere in everything at all times (completely
organized).
Organization is a constant. That is the timeless edict of fractal
self-similarity.
Fractal self similarity only occurs when a system has reached
self organized criticality. This dynamic state causes the self
similar forms across scale. In biology fractal self similarity
would simply be called niche filling. The system must be
higly organized....before..it takes on a fractal form.
Self-Organizing Systems (SOS) FAQ
http://www.calresco.org/sos/sosfaq.htm#3.1
You ignored, or didn't comprehend, anything I said. I wasn't talking about
detail, so to speak, I was talking about aspect. I wasn't talking about the
parts, I was talking about the parcel. I wasn't talking about the Earth, I
was talking about the whole of the infinite Universe. I wasn't talking about
any particular finite, I was talking about finite itself. I was talking
about universality.
"Fractal" (self-similarity) also means the bottom-most rung and the
top-most rung will end up being indistinguishable no matter the complexity
between. If you could zoom all the way in to the infinitesimal, and all the
way out to the infinite, you would discover the two are self-similar to the
extreme of self-similarity, indistinguishable from being one and the same.
The ultimate fractal.
Extending, by giving definition (period) to the two, and by the physical
fact that they also cancel each other out, you end up with root "finite,"
perceiving continuing self-similarity. The thing or concept "finite" is a
"constant," finishing a self-similar four-dimensionality that is infinity.
Infinite, infinitesimal, finite, and constant. Fractal rock. Fundamentality
(Perpetual). Primitive. The naked singularity that isn't
one-dimensional...that is four-self-similar or fractal-dimensional.
I'm very much aware of what you responded with as I am of what you started
with. Jonathan you have to start with organization. Physics has already
realized fundamental organization, primitive organization. There is no such
thing as starting with randomness and progressing to organization. As
Stephen Hawking put it so very well in answer to Albert Einstein's "God does
not play dice with the Universe," "Yes God does play dice with the Universe
but they're loaded." You are neither stepping up nor down continuously in
magnitudes of orders to ultimately realize order to all ladders. I'm a
lifelong student of history, fifty years worth of life very, very
interested, and after a such a time you've already begun to see beyond the
seemingly random complex details to overall development of just a few, a
very few, extraordinarily consistent patterns. These patterns turn out to be
the rules, the laws, the physics, the fundamental, governing. You switch
over to study physics as well relative, cosmological and quantum, as I did
and you begin to realize you've already learned -- rather you've already
visualized through coalescences into consistent patterns -- a lot about what
you never intended to learn about when you set out upon your original course
in an entirely different field.
I understand evolution into dead end game niches. As an admitted fanatical
member of the space movement I've realized that is where specialization is
taking civilization on [absolute] Earth without any outside expansive growth
frontier. That and the dead end of escapism, so-called "therapeutic...." You
are unaware of the other niches though. The anti-niches. The anti-Utopia
(Dystopia). You are unaware of the mirror and mirroring, or so you seem. You
have not looked far enough vertically on the one hand, nor have you looked
far enough horizontally on the other, so to speak. You do not seem to have
any peripheral vision. Or if you do, you've in no way developed or applied
it.
You are not alone in that though. Today such is the norm (inherent to
niche development (inherent to evolution to one-dimensionality (one and
anti-one (you can't get lower regarding "complexity" (regarding complexity,
you can't reach one and one alone, you run into, or up against, the
mirror -- and mirroring -- first))))). [Made] perfect "Mules." And [made]
perfect mindless mob sucidal hordes. [Made] perfect for each other. Made by
universal programming to one-dimensionality (One Mankind, One World, One
Worldism, One State, One Religion, one idea, one way....Total Quality
Management, Total Quality Organization, total quality Human Resources, Zero
Tolerance(s)....). Huxley's "A Brave New World" in fact being. Enter the
integrally made (integral to) anti: "The Lord Of The Flies." The perfect
flaw(s). The perfect mules. And the perfect gravitation to them.
As historian Will Durant said, "Nature knows no difference between
barbarism and civilization." "The only difference between savagery and
civilization is that savagery has the more rules in place governing every
thought and action." Tyranny and anarchy go together, iron hand in velvet
glove. Here to in Savageland (Utopia), mules will inevitably pop up and
proliferate in popping up, but as Dystopia (to this Utopia in place) of an
entirely different stripe. All organization of any kind whatsoever organized
to the hilt of organization will be ipso facto "strange attractor of chaos."
The mules, the black holes, the cancer, proliferating around and within ever
increasing sterility aren't the strange attractors of chaos. The sterility
is. The mules are chaos itself (the natural order of things or nature's
ugly, ugly primitive weeds....on call to deal with every kind of ever more
perfectly evolved lawn grass emptied of pimitiveness). "Nature abhors a
vacuum." Every vacuum. All vacuum. Including anti-vacuum (everythingness).
It abhors entropy. It abhors sterility. It abhors the niched (the become
one-dimensional). Can you even begin to guess why?
GLB
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| User: "jonathan" |
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| Title: Re: .....Complexity as Designer |
22 Feb 2006 08:09:03 PM |
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"G. L. Bradford" <glbrad01@insightbb.com> wrote in message
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"G. L. Bradford" <glbrad01@insightbb.com> wrote in message
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You ignored, or didn't comprehend, anything I said. I wasn't talking
about detail, so to speak, I was talking about aspect. I wasn't talking
about the parts, I was talking about the parcel. I wasn't talking about
the Earth, I was talking about the whole of the infinite Universe.
I wasn't talking about any particular finite, I was talking about
finite itself. I was talking about universality.
"Fractal" (self-similarity) also means the bottom-most rung and the
top-most rung will end up being indistinguishable no matter the complexity
between. If you could zoom all the way in to the infinitesimal, and all
the way out to the infinite, you would discover the two are self-similar to
the extreme of self-similarity, indistinguishable from being one and the
same. The ultimate fractal.
I wish to apoligize in advance for my lack of brevity~
The universe as a single complex adaptive system. Fractal self similarity
would mean that the whole can be seen in the parts, but in terms
of behavior, not specific structural details. Just to be clear.
It's your use of smallest to largest scales that is confusing
the issue. That is a classical approach that uses part properties
for descriptions. As in from quarks to quasars.
In complexity science the opposing endpoints are in behavior.
Static....to...chaotic. To define the universe as a system
would be to define it's static and chaotic attractor behavior.
Which is obvious, gravity would be the behavior that
simplifies, while cosmic expansion would be the behavior
that randomizes. Static to chaotic.Those are the endpoints
of the universe with these concepts.
When those two endpoints are both maximized and in an
unstable equilibrium with each other, when at a persistent
phase transition between each other, then the system has
reached self organized criticality and new emergent
properties appear, as well as fractal qualities of self
similarity. The original emergent property would be
space or inertia. Which of course would be universal.
Extending, by giving definition (period) to the two, and by the physical
fact that they also cancel each other out, you end up with root "finite,"
perceiving continuing self-similarity. The thing or concept "finite" is a
"constant," finishing a self-similar four-dimensionality that is infinity.
Infinite, infinitesimal, finite, and constant. Fractal rock.
Fundamentality (Perpetual). Primitive. The naked singularity that isn't
one-dimensional...that is four-self-similar or fractal-dimensional.
I'm very much aware of what you responded with as I am of what you
started with. Jonathan you have to start with organization. Physics has
already
realized fundamental organization, primitive organization. There is no
such thing as starting with randomness and progressing to organization.
On the contrary, that is exactly what happens. The big bang begins as a
smooth soup, without any order at all. Entirely random system much
like a gas..chaotic.
Once random interactions reach a critical level, spontaneous cyclic
self sustaining behavior emerges. Order then increases. Hawking has
it completely backwards, his views predate chaos theory.
As
Stephen Hawking put it so very well in answer to Albert Einstein's "God
does not play dice with the Universe," "Yes God does play dice with the
Universe but they're loaded."
The dice are loaded, if you throw them enough the results will be
skewed towards creation. So random games lead to order.
The underlying cause, the primary form of interaction is
randomness. The only certainty is found in the final state.
As in randomly spinning a ball inside a bowl, it's going
to end up at the same place regardless of initial conditions
or the exact path. Self organized systems are ...insensitive..
to initial conditions. Defining the starting point does not matter.
This simple fact alone makes the entire concept of using particle
physics as a means of understanding reality....completely idiotic.
Reality is a function of what things do, not what they are.
You are neither stepping up nor down continuously in
magnitudes of orders to ultimately realize order to all ladders.
On the contary, I can see that the universe has the same
explanation as a cloud, or an emotion or a hurricane.
Regardless of scale, or system specifics, one type
of behavior defines them all. The whole can be
seen in the parts. All order emerges at the edge
between opposite extremes in behavior.
Static and chaotic.
I'm a life long student of history, fifty years worth of life very, very
interested, and after a such a time you've already begun to see beyond the
seemingly random complex details to overall development of just a few, a
very few, extraordinarily consistent patterns.
Exactly. Over and over the same patterns, whether in
galaxies or life. The primary pattern displayed is the
optimized total system uncertainty. Neither static or
chaotic, neither fixed or completely random, with
fractal instability throughout. The primary pattern is
is for the system to act as both a particle and a wave
at the same time. If you /can tell/ which it is, it is NOT
organized, and will not display evolutionary tendencies.
These patterns turn out to be
the rules, the laws, the physics, the fundamental, governing.
That's right, but these laws are not quanifiable in the classical
sense, since they reside within a system displaying fractal
or edge state uncertainty. Within an edge state, the components
act chaotically.
You switch
over to study physics as well relative, cosmological and quantum, as I did
and you begin to realize you've already learned -- rather you've already
visualized through coalescences into consistent patterns -- a lot about
what you never intended to learn about when you set out upon your original
course in an entirely different field.
I understand evolution into dead end game niches. As an admitted
fanatical member of the space movement I've realized that is where
specialization is taking civilization on [absolute] Earth without any
outside
expansive growth frontier.
You see it all wrong. Specialization is niche filling is fractal instability
increasing. Once fully niche filled, once fully fractal, that is when
the system has attainted criticality. Which is the point at which
evolution takes it's great leaps. Such as from plants to animals.
Or animals to intelligence. We are ...in fact...heading very quickly
to this edge state thanks to the internet....increased connectivity.
Which will lead to a spontaneous emergent creation.
It is absolutely impossible to predict through an edge state
to see what creation will emerge. But we can know it's
character and magnitude. From plants to animals to intelligence
to.....what? What's the next great emergent step above
intelligence. What is forming on earth as we type is a collective
intelligence from the massive parralel connectivity of the
internet.
Collective intelligence is greater than that of any one.
A new intelligence will soon emerge that is as far above
human, as we are above animals. Remember, criticality
and emergence occur when the components tremble, when
they display fractal instability. From a part or classical
perpective we should percieve chaos as this new
system order emerges.
That and the dead end of escapism, so-called "therapeutic...." You
are unaware of the other niches though. The anti-niches. The anti-Utopia
(Dystopia). You are unaware of the mirror and mirroring, or so you seem.
You have not looked far enough vertically on the one hand, nor have you
looked
far enough horizontally on the other, so to speak. You do not seem to have
any peripheral vision. Or if you do, you've in no way developed or applied
it.
On the contrary~ I can now see the final probable state despite
all the noise. And how to get there. It is your use of mirroring
in what things...are... that brings your confusion. You have to
get this frame of reference correct wrt complexity. There is
no such thing as good and evil, right and wrong as opposite
extremes or mirror images. Utopia and dystopia?
Good and evil? It is this frame of reference that
plagues mankind.
Static and chaotic endpoints define the opposite extremes
and they are BOTH simple BOTH wrong BOTH evil.
Where the two converge on each other is the correct
solution, where evolution, nature and utopia are found.
<....................................................>
static dynamic chaotic
simple complex simple
evil good evil
When using part properties mirroring creates a logical
contradiction as both endpoints are incomplete with each other.
So of course, good and utopia cannot be found using classical
part driven reductionist methods.
THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT POINT.
You are obviously still suffering from this frame
of reference mistake.
I have realized the wisdom to be found in mirroring
to understand. Science and religion are mirror images
of each other. /And I can't emphasize this enough./
Science and religion are BOTH mirror images of complexity
science. It's the two different frames of reference
wrt complexity that creates this seeming contradiction.
And creates the difficulties in reconciling the three.
Science Religion
upward causation downward causation
empiricism revelation
Complexity science
downward causation
empiricism
You are not alone in that though. Today such is the norm (inherent to
niche development (inherent to evolution to one-dimensionality (one and
anti-one (you can't get lower regarding "complexity" (regarding
complexity, you can't reach one and one alone, you run into, or up against,
the
mirror -- and mirroring -- first))))). [Made] perfect "Mules." And [made]
perfect mindless mob sucidal hordes. [Made] perfect for each other. Made
by universal programming to one-dimensionality (One Mankind, One World, One
Worldism, One State, One Religion, one idea, one way....Total Quality
Management, Total Quality Organization, total quality Human Resources,
Zero Tolerance(s)....). Huxley's "A Brave New World" in fact being. Enter
the
integrally made (integral to) anti: "The Lord Of The Flies." The perfect
flaw(s). The perfect mules. And the perfect gravitation to them.
Self organizion....emergence....evolution...nature...utopia
are all found in one place. An edge state between equal
and opposite extremes. This is NOT a steady state, but
an ever changing process. Utopia cannot be defined in
advance, it is not some perfect place on a hill to be
designed. It's a process of change and growth.
There's only one way to initiate a utopian state. It is
by initiating a self organizing process within yourself.
By maximizing and balancing the static and chaotic.
But a process of change CANNOT be established
with a goal. Without a path to chase. What I've
learned is the Utopia is found by creating the loftiest
goal you can imagine, then relentlessly chasing it.
All the while applying the lessons of nature, which
is to optimize uncertainty in every solution to any
given question. To optimize uncertainty is to seek
the edge state between extremes so that once
can't tell which-is-which.
As historian Will Durant said, "Nature knows no difference between
barbarism and civilization."
We do. And the world...the future...is up to us.
"The only difference between savagery and
civilization is that savagery has the more rules in place governing every
thought and action." Tyranny and anarchy go together, iron hand in velvet
glove. Here to in Savageland (Utopia), mules will inevitably pop up and
proliferate in popping up, but as Dystopia (to this Utopia in place) of an
entirely different stripe.
DON'T YOU SEE THE CONTRADICTION????
Utopia is where good and evil coincide. Utopia is where
one can't tell good from evil, which-is-which.
It's no wonder so few are truly content, it's no wonder so few
comprehend the beauty of it all. Classical cience CANNOT tell us
where Utopia lies, as it cannot determine the inderminable.
An edge state is not determinable in the parts, only in the overall
direction of the whole...self tuning to the optimum.
All organization of any kind whatsoever organized
to the hilt of organization will be ipso facto "strange attractor of
chaos." The mules, the black holes, the cancer, proliferating around and
within
ever increasing sterility aren't the strange attractors of chaos. The
sterility
is. The mules are chaos itself (the natural order of things or nature's
ugly, ugly primitive weeds....on call to deal with every kind of ever more
perfectly evolved lawn grass emptied of pimitiveness).
Of course you see it this way, by looking at the things about us, mules
and cancer and all the ...things. Yes they are chaotic and seemingly
random acts of violence. And it is just such randomness in the
parts...the things....that creates order in the whole. Chaos in the
parts leads to a directed path towards ever increasing order...
........to Utopia.
"Nature abhors a
vacuum." Every vacuum. All vacuum. Including anti-vacuum (everythingness).
Nature niche fills until criticality, then evolves to new heights.
It abhors entropy.
Entropy, like the classical part view, is an equilibrium concept.
Nature exists far from equilibrium, when pushed to the edge.
Nature exists due to /changing/ entropy.
It abhors sterility. It abhors the niched (the become
one-dimensional). Can you even begin to guess why?
When a system is fully niche filled, that is when fractal
qualities appear. That is when order emerges, when
the parts are trembling....chaotic....random.
It is instinctive to be frightened and dismayed at the
seeming chaos all around us. But our instincts betray
us, our intellect shows that your uncertainty is my
certainty.
Someday you will seek out and swim in uncertainty
in everything you do. As that is the path to personal
evolution and personal Utopia. It's the chase MAN
Not the final place.
As for my personal goal. I've set one, the obvious one.
The only one that makes sense. Lofty as possible.
I intend to achieve it. And even if I fall short, I'll have
been swimming in beauty the entire way.
I am already in a Utopian state. I will always be there.
I intend to return the world to Nature, that is my personal goal.
So I must trace a path from where I am now to that goal.
Returning the world to nature, in the abstract, means the truimph
of nature over man, the triumph of natural processes over man,
the triumph of democracy over dictatorship. Democracy and
freedom best mimics natural processes.
So the goal now has a clear target. The one event that can
bring victory it's final hurdle to a world wide canopy.
Applying the teachings of complexity science, which is systems
theory after all. Where in the world is a system that has the
following qualities.
A simultaneous maximum of repression and system fragility.
The answer is obvious with the FOURTH of the world
living in the China under a stressed and massive dictatorship.
But to pull this off, such a system must also present a
critical point, where it's /sensitivity to initial conditions/
is at a maximum.
Dude, listen up, this is no pipe dream. During the 08 Beijing
Olympics China will be stressed tighter than a snair drum.
It's the largest critical point in that nations history, as the
Olympics are seen in their eyes as legitimizing them for
all the world. The upcoming Olympics are everything
to them, the Mother of all Critical Points.
Within the Mother of all Dictatorships.
It's a once in a species opportunity.
We've seen what a tiny symbolic disturbance
has done to Islam...twice...in the last few months.
Tiny events set the whole on fire. This is because
of the system properties within Islam, stressed,
repressed and driven to opposite extremes.
Far from nature. That is when a system is most
vulnerable to attack by a single symbolic event.
It's just such system properties where poets and
martyrs rule. And when stressed to the extreme
as with Islam or China during the Olympics, this
is where another system property rears it's head.
The self fullfilling property. You've heard that
saying "life finds a way"? That is what that means.
At the edge, the initiating event that creates a sudden
phase transition....order to chaos...is inevitable.
It's a creation of the system itself.
All that needs to be done to bring down the CCP and
usher in a new age for humanity is to convince the
leaders of the CCP that the Olympics will be
disrupted and politicized. If they're convinced
it'll happen ......IT WILL.
An internet campaign or troll espousing an event
like this below should do the trick.
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/Mexico_1968.htm
"Polls have indicated that their demonstration was the
6th most memorable event of the 20th century"
Or the Chinese version
http://www.faluninfo.net/gallery/photo.asp?ID=101
Nothing scares the CCP more than the Falun Gong
movement. A hundred million followers in China
alone and completely banned. Convincing the leaders
and there's only twelve of them, the Falun Gong
are planning something should be enough.
Their uncertainty,fear and over reaction should
do the rest. Uncertainty, maximized, is
always the answer.
Jonathan
btw, I'm not a newbie at trolling governments
into acting. I spent three years at the most
hunted ng ever, watching and wondering how
they did it. How they managed to troll every
major law enforcement agency in the western
world to hate and hunt this one ng. The FBI
alone had a hundred full time agents dedicated
to taking down a dozen or two regs in one ng.
The carnivore program written by the NSA
was originally written for my old ng. There
were so many task forces attacking my old
ng that Justice had to start one to coordinate
them all.
Their goal was the First Amendment for the
internet. And they got it, they trolled the US
govt into banning adult speech on the internet
to force a Supreme Court Case. Reno v Aclu.
No one can tell me such lofty goals cannot
be achieved with mere imagery and words.
I've seen it, and now I have a grasp of the mathematics
that made it go. I've got almost two years to build
a suitable conspiracy. Convincing enough to
get 'their' attention. Remember, if combining extremes
creates beauty, separating them creates destruction.
One must not be afraid to occupy an extreme, both
of them at once. As in defending the First Amendment
with filth, for example. Two opposite extremes in
one system. The most volatile mix of all.
Stretch the emotional and symbolic scaffold to extremes
and ships will sail
s
GLB
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23 Feb 2006 04:43:49 AM |
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Nothing could realize how alien humans are to each other than our
differing views, starting with the Universe itself. You assume common ground
regarding creation of the Universe. I'm infinity minded, infinity based.
Therefore there was no [singular] creation of the Universe. The Universe is
the exception. Everything [relative] in it has beginning and end (beginnings
and ends without number), but the Universe (the Multiverse) had no beginning
or end; it has no beginning nor has it any end. Infinite parallels all
sequential, it itself cannot be sequential; it cannot have time. Rather the
result must be absolute zero for the [meantime], which agrees completely
with what time is foreseen to be at, within, the speed of light. We've been
over this ground before and you've forgotten that we have.
Order is a constant of the Universe, as is disorder. There will order in
disorder and there will be disorder in order. If you do not have a large
enough viewpoint, if it is too narrow, (if your Universe is too limited, too
impoverished), all you can see is one-dimensionally order to disorder, or
disorder to order...end of story. In an infinite Universe all possible paths
are there, all possible paths are taken, all possible paths are covered at
all times without any exception. Infinity is like that. All randomness is
covered. Thus any existence of randomness will be entirely local (will be
entirely relative).
America's founding fathers made a local pact they hoped would last at
least through their own lifetime. As several historians have commented upon,
they would have amazed, gratified, that it managed to last this long. They
were as practical as the Greeks and Romans. More than almost anyone living
today they knew their pact, their democracy, their republican form of
government, their frontier, was local to them and temporary. Contemporary.
It would end. They accepted that humans, and human groups, were different
from each other, as different as all nature is made up of difference.
Internally alien as alien can get (matter / anti-matter matter). Fabulous as
fabulous could get, and at once deadly as deadly could get. Volatility
incarnate. Higher lifeforms, or as we call ourselves, intelligent life,
could not possibly be singular in any way, shape, or form, but must be
various. The higher up the ladder, the greater the diversity (the greater
the variation) within whatever the one single species. Thus the greater the
possibilities, the greater the probabilities, the greater the potential. And
concomitantly, the greater the danger, the greater the volatility, if and
when corralled without many and differing space and time and other barriers,
horizons, frontiers, between.
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"'The most surprising lesson we have learned from simulating complex
physical systems on computers is that [complex behavior need not have
complex roots,' he (Christopher Langton) wrote, complete with italics.
'Indeed, tremendously interesting and beguilingly complex behavior can
emerge from collections of extremely simple components.'
"Langton was speaking from the heart here, since that statement so clearly
reflects the experience of discovering his self-reproducing cellular
automaton. But the statement applied equally well to one of the most vivid
demonstrations at the artificial life workshop: Craig Reynolds' flock of
'boids.' Instead of writing global, top-down specifications for how the
flock should behave, or telling his creatures to follow the lead of one Boss
Boid, Reynolds had used only the three simple rules of local, boid-to-boid
interaction. And it was precisely that locality that allowed his flock to
adapt to changing conditions so organically. The rules always tended to pull
the boids together, in somewhat the same way that Adam Smith's Invisible
Hand tends to pull supply into balance with demand. But just as in the
economy, the tendency to converge was only a tendency, the result of each
boid reacting to what the other boids were doing in its immediate
neighborhood. So when a flock encountered an obstacle such as a pillar, it
had no trouble splitting apart and flowing to either side as each boid did
its own thing.
"Try doing that with a single set of top-level rules, said Langton. The
system would be impossibly cumbersome and complicated, with the rules
telling each boid precisely what to do in every conceivable situation. In
fact, he had seen simulations like that; they usually ended up looking jerky
and unnatural, more like an animated cartoon than like animated life. And
besides, he said, since it's effectively impossible to cover [every]
conceivable situation, top-down systems are forever running into
combinations of events they don't know how to handle. They tend to be touchy
and fragile, and they all too often grind to a halt in a dither of
indecision...." -- Complexity, M. Mitchell Waldrop.
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Now you probably think of "boid" as one individual human or ant, or
Romulan or Klingon or whatever. You probably didn't reach upward and outward
to individual groups, subspecies, natures, systems, civilizations,
philosophies, religions, ideologies, cultures, anything whatsoever that can
be "individual" ("....the tendency to converge was only a tendency....no
trouble splitting apart....each boid did its own thing"). It's quite obvious
Craig Reynolds did not box his boids into any absolute such as Earth. It's
equally obvious he did not shrink the absolute, the box, in upon his boids,
as in shrinking time between each and all of his boids (thus the box
shrinking around the whole. The walls closing in like the walls of a trash
compactor or the coils of a python, a constrictor). What he then would have
discovered regarding each and all would have paralyzed him, sweating in
coldest sweat, to his core. The same as if he had programmed in an
invincible virus the boids could sense completely but could not touch nor
escape.
Electrons boxed in a shrinking box go into frenzy, become frenzied. That
is realized though the realization has never been taken to an ultimate
conclusion by physicists that I know of. I have taken it there in my mind's
eye, infinitizing the frenzy state. I come up with an infinitely MASSIVE --
immovable -- object confronting the box's irresistable force of continuing
compaction.
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"Nature smiles at the union of freedom and equality in our utopias. For
freedom and equality are sworn and everlasting enemies, and when one
prevails the other dies. Leave men free, and their natural inequalities will
multiply almost geometrically, as in England and America in the nineteenth
century under [laissez-faire]. To check the growth of inequality, liberty
must be sacrificed, as in Russia after 1917. Even when repressed, inequality
grows; only the man who is below the average in economic ability desires
equality; those who are conscious of superior ability desire freedom; and in
the end superior ability has its way. Utopias of equality are biologically
doomed, and the best that the amiable philosopher can hope for is an
approximate equality of legal justice and educational opportunity. A society
in which all potential abilities are allowed to develop and function will
have a survival advantage in the competition of groups. This competition
becomes more severe as the destruction of distance intensifies the
confrontation of states." -- Will and Ariel Durant, The Lessons of History.
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The material point is: Competition becomes more severe, more frenzied, as
the destruction of distance intensifies the confrontation of states. More
savagely competitive. Even government's own internal bureaucracy becomes
more savagely competitive. The constant is "competition." The result is, by
orders of magnitude, increasing variation (increasing mutation). Humanity
increasingly split, the species vastly increasing in alienation from one.
Is this chaos developing from order? No way! "Give me liberty or give me
death!" No matter what the outcome, all the way to total self-extinction of
the species, humanity -- intelligent life -- destroys Big Brother and that
event alone is "order" of the greatest sort and magnitude. "Big Brother" is
the "box," the coils of the "python" (the constrictor), and the name of the
box. Ultimately truest freedom and liberty exists (other than in death) only
in rawest space and time frontier horizons [between] each and all of various
numberless tyrannies. There (in universal horizon between) also is the only
possible existence of truest equality. There (in universal horizon between)
is the only possible existence and place of truest "cosmopolis." All in all,
to put it in true perspective, therein is where truest mobility is to be had
("For freedom, take to the sea in ships."). "Freedom isn't free." Nor is it
easy or low cost. Nor is it low maintenance. Any [knowing] slave will tell
you it's worth an ultimate price paid to achieve. Any [unknowing]
slave....well I refer you back to what I said about Craig Reynolds and his
flock of boids if he boxes them in an absolute box shrinking upon them
(distance-time shrinking between each and all). I refer you back to Durant
and "competition." I refer you to "Evolution" and evolutionary tree
branching (evolutionary schism; mutation).
Give me a definition of infinite chaos?! Infinite entropy?! Infinite
energy?! Infinite mass?! Infinite density?! Give me a definition of infinite
organization and order?! Get infinite. I tell you right now you can't do it.
No way can you do it. You will inevitably reach a point of spinning your
wheels and going nowhere at all. Yet those very things are what modern
cosmologists and others ceaselessly, carelessly, tell us [their] expansion
of the Universe, and on the other hand intelligence and order in life, will
always tend toward. Or, has tended from to finite. Potential already
fulfilled can never be further fulfilled. It must eventually develop drag,
just spinning its wheels in place, so to speak. Infinite, infinitesimal, and
constant, aren't relative. Finite is relative in every sense of the word but
one, the word itself. Therein it is a fundamental constant and therefore not
relative.
Complexity is relative, not absolute, therefore finite in extent. Collapse
is relative, not absolute, therefore finite in extent. Chaos is relative,
not absolute, therefore finite in extent. Entropy is relative, energy is
relative, mass is relative, density is relative, organization and order are
relative, therefore finite in their extents. Expansion and contraction are
relative, therefore finite in extent. An arrow of time is relative,
therefore finite in extent. But in complete vacuum (complete horizon (in
peripheral frontier's horizon)), how many paralleling relativities,
paralleling universes, the same or different, can there be? Infinities. No
limit whatsoever. "Nature abhors a vacuum."
You look out at a distant [relative] horizon and like so many professional
cosmologists, physicists, astronomers, teachers, professors and others today
you proclaim it in no uncertain terms to be an [absolute] horizon. It may be
absolute to you but it's only relative as far as I am concerned. Therefore
I'm a stranger in a very, very strange land.
GLB
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23 Feb 2006 06:46:23 PM |
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"G. L. Bradford" <glbrad01@insightbb.com> wrote in message
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Nothing could realize how alien humans are to each other than our
differing views, starting with the Universe itself. You assume common
ground
regarding creation of the Universe. I'm infinity minded, infinity based.
Therefore there was no [singular] creation of the Universe. The Universe
is
the exception. Everything [relative] in it has beginning and end
(beginnings
and ends without number), but the Universe (the Multiverse) had no
beginning
or end; it has no beginning nor has it any end. Infinite parallels all
sequential, it itself cannot be sequential; it cannot have time. Rather
the
result must be absolute zero for the [meantime], which agrees completely
with what time is foreseen to be at, within, the speed of light. We've
been
over this ground before and you've forgotten that we have.
"A soul admitted to itself, finite infinity"
You're probable correct I've forgotten. I live in the future, in the sense
of trying to imagine the optimum one. Then spend my thoughts
trying to plot the path from the present to that future. So the past, even
the present, is fairly unimportant to me. So I forget it almost
as soon as it happens.
Utopia requires only two things. A lofty goal, to the limits of
imagination. And the means to get there. Once those two
things are found, life suddenly, and without exception, becomes
an infinite sequence of moments better than joy and comfort.
Complexity science teaches how to set a proper goal.
And it shows the abstract template for a naturally evolving
system. Such a process, once established, converges on
the optimum solution for any given problem. Any!
This is why I disagree with the dark future you see.
All that you cite is evidence that nature is retaking
this planet and us with it. The network properties
are clear and unambiguous. The massive new
connectivity and fractal properties spreading
daily provide the necessary conditions for
nature to rule.
Humanity is destined to swim in beauty.
Order is a constant of the Universe, as is disorder. There will order in
disorder and there will be disorder in order. If you do not have a large
enough viewpoint, if it is too narrow, (if your Universe is too limited,
too
impoverished), all you can see is one-dimensionally order to disorder, or
disorder to order...end of story. In an infinite Universe all possible
paths
are there, all possible paths are taken, all possible paths are covered at
all times without any exception. Infinity is like that. All randomness is
covered. Thus any existence of randomness will be entirely local (will be
entirely relative).
Again, your review is the reverse of reality. Randomness, a lack of
order is the original state. Order forms here and there and is local
at first. Spreading far and wide over time. A universe that is steadily
organizing as a single entity. Why do think dark matter and energy
is such a mystery? It didn't exist in any amount until the universe
became matter dominated. Which happened very shorty before
life on earth evolved into being. It may seem rather grandiose
to say dark matter and energy did not predate life, but that
is the truth according to the latest cosmology.
Dark energy is simply an emergent property of a self organized
critical system. Life a market force appearing out of nowhere
once a market system becomes sufficiently organized. A market
force has no tangible existence, like dark energy. Yet we can
see and know it's effects. Effects that are the ultimate source
of order, the self tuning to the optimum such ethereal emergent
forces provide. What is truly important in understanding reality
are not 'things' one can weigh and equate.
America's founding fathers made a local pact they hoped would last at
least through their own lifetime. As several historians have commented
upon,
they would have amazed, gratified, that it managed to last this long.
I'm not surprised at all. Their system mimics a natural system rather
well. The static and chaotic realms are in an unstable equilibrium
with each other. The constitution and freedom.
Each optimized to the practical limit, and each in a dynamic equilibrium
with each other. This naturally produces a self tuning or evolving
system, that once initiated, is almost impossible to stop.
America is the Congo of the world. Resilient, creative, stable
and wondrous in it's diversity and efficiency. 9/11 was a blip
on a stock chart, while a mere cartoon sends 'them' into
chaos. "Them' being dictatorial systems, those that exist
far from nature.
These religious societies think they are closer to God and
morality. But they are deluded. Their rigid and unnatural
structures defy nature and God. We, as a society, are
infinitily closer to God.
They
were as practical as the Greeks and Romans. More than almost anyone living
today they knew their pact, their democracy, their republican form of
government, their frontier, was local to them and temporary. Contemporary.
It would end. They accepted that humans, and human groups, were different
from each other, as different as all nature is made up of difference.
Another mistaken view of reality due to a simple frame of reference
mistake. Comparing how people differ gives a view of vastly
different groups, societies etc. Comparing how humans are
similar shows our differences are...in fact...trivial in comparison.
Looking at how people differ....first...is the source of rascism
and much of our collective misery throughout history.
Internally alien as alien can get (matter / anti-matter matter). Fabulous
as
fabulous could get, and at once deadly as deadly could get. Volatility
incarnate. Higher lifeforms, or as we call ourselves, intelligent life,
could not possibly be singular in any way, shape, or form, but must be
various. The higher up the ladder, the greater the diversity (the greater
the variation) within whatever the one single species. Thus the greater
the
possibilities, the greater the probabilities, the greater the potential.
And
concomitantly, the greater the danger, the greater the volatility, if and
when corralled without many and differing space and time and other
barriers,
horizons, frontiers, between.
Again you have it backwards. The more evolved a system, the simpler
and more predictable it's behavior. The more likely the system is
to display fractal self similarily across scale. Certainly humans show
great diversity in every aspect. But those differences become less
important to what guides us into the future as we become more
evolved or intelligent. Over time the ideas and norms self tune.
And those are the primary guiding 'equations' for our reality.
Not the minor difference in part specifics. Unless we make
it so, but that is not the natural or most likely eventuality.
Complexity is relative, not absolute, therefore finite in extent.
Collapse
is relative, not absolute, therefore finite in extent. Chaos is relative,
not absolute, therefore finite in extent. Entropy is relative, energy is
relative, mass is relative, density is relative, organization and order
are
relative, therefore finite in their extents. Expansion and contraction are
relative, therefore finite in extent. An arrow of time is relative,
therefore finite in extent. But in complete vacuum (complete horizon (in
peripheral frontier's horizon)), how many paralleling relativities,
paralleling universes, the same or different, can there be? Infinities. No
limit whatsoever. "Nature abhors a vacuum."
The idea behind chaos theory has yet to settle in with you. All
that uncertainty and chaos...combined...leads to order and
simplicity in the whole. When you look at the parts, things
seems dismal, when you see what that causes in the whole, all
those things become beautiful
It's relative the observer.
But talking about boids and bird flocking. I watched
birds flock all day today. And the flock traded
sixty million dollars among it's members.
I was playing ticker dcn today. Do yourself a big
favor and look at the two day chart for ticker dcn
today, thursday.
http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/default.asp?siteid=&avatar=seen&dist=ctbc
What do you see?
Look at the news story that set off this massive transient.
The news screamed only one thing. In big bold letters flashing
lights the news announced.....UNCERTAINTY.
And like magic a system near equilibrium suddenly self organized
into a coherent whole. The parts...traders. acted as ONE.
Can you see the phase transition? It's a big as life, or a thunderbolt.
Can you see how the behaviour shifted states on a dime. And acted
as predictably as can be. That is what optimized total system
uncertainty brings.....universal behavior that is simple, self tuning
and beautiful. I make half a bimmer today.
Then do yourself another favor, and look at the five day chart
of ticker hdy. Again the news screamed UNCERTAINTY.
PRINT OUT the charts, two day chart of dcn, and the five
day chart of hdy. Compare them. I see nature and God in them.
That is self similarity /across scale/....manifested in living color for
us to see touch and feel. Auto parts and oil exploration...self similarity
across industry/space. That is the simple universal self tuning behavior
that emerges at 'the edge of chaos'.
If you can't play such a pattern displayed in these two charts
your not trying very hard. It's like taking candy from a baby.
I don't wish to sound like a money grubber, because I'm not.
But I watch these concepts play out in real world systems
every day. I know they're properties and their universal
beauty.
Seek out and understand uncertainty. Beauty, nature, and utopia
are it's other names.
Jonathan
s
You look out at a distant [relative] horizon and like so many
professional
cosmologists, physicists, astronomers, teachers, professors and others
today
you proclaim it in no uncertain terms to be an [absolute] horizon. It may
be
absolute to you but it's only relative as far as I am concerned. Therefore
I'm a stranger in a very, very strange land.
GLB
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24 Feb 2006 05:18:20 AM |
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As I said, I am talking to an alien I have no common ground with, thus you
are as well. The Washington Times just published the second of three
articles on Americans' alarming mortgage debt load, riskier and ever riskier
loans growing by leaps and bounds. It has also recently published articles
on our huge deficits in trade, Americans' constancy of deficit spending, the
vast majority of Americans not having even the tiniest bit of savings for
any rainy day (re: Katrina). We have no frontier. We have almost no schools
left worthy of the name of institutions of learning. Americans not only
ignore history like no other nation in history, but they (other than a very
few of us outsiders) for the most part have been brainwashed to hate western
civilization's history with every fiber of their being. The Utopia syndrome.
Still the welfare-healthcare state syndrome. It's nothing new in history. It
dooms life to repeat history (decline and fall and dark age).
Americans increasingly have no breadth and depth. Almost no attention span
exists in the vast majority, which is what naturally occurs when a people
try to pay attention to baselessness. We have not a single safeguard in
place against any kind of a reversal of fortune. The only thing keeping
America, and western civilization in general, going is momentum built up
from past centuries. A meteor burns hottest and brightest of all in the
short run in time before it grounds.
You say I'm virtually all darkness in what I see. A closed world -- life
closed completely off from the frontier Universe -- is the ultimate trap, an
absolute tyranny. You brought up God. God told Adam and Eve not to eat of
the fruit of that tree in the dead [center] of Eden. They could have the
fruit of any tree in the outer periphery they wanted but they could not have
anything of that tree in the dead [center]. It would be their black hole in
space and time, so to speak. It would kill them, not raise them up to
anything greater. They went for it anyway and God had to displace them to an
outer space frontier, even further out than the original periphery He gave
them as theirs, so to prevent their otherwise inevitable extinction from
going for utter centrality's naked singularity (from going for Utopia).
Exactly the same warning and outcome is repeated in the fabeled story of
Babel (self-similarity?). The Books of Exodus are a larger version, far
nearer to history than fable, far more fleshed out. By far the darkest
Biblical version (and the most coded to keep the Roman police state from
understanding), the most encompassing of all space and time and life, is in
the Apocalypse (in Revelations). No one tree! Many trees! No one street, no
one river, no one path! Many streets! Many rivers! Many paths! No "One
World"! No "One World -ism"! Many worlds! Many -isms! And as Adam and Eve
eventually and inevitably discovered to the continuing confusion ever after
of clerical students of Genesis, no "One Mankind." No single herd. No single
humanity. No "One People." Again, no one way...even to no one way of
observing, interpreting, thinking about (all in all, no one way of
comprehending (no single comprehension to exist of)) exactly the same thing!
Centrality / mirror / anti-centrality centrality. Consensus / mirror /
anti-consensus consensus. Not even the consensus of most, but especially the
so-called "consensus of all," to be anything but ultimately realized to have
been utterly confused rather than as clear as day to most or all.
Much as I like President Bush, his moves to democracize all mankind will
lead to Armageddon. It will lead to rivers of blood, a blood bath. Democracy
is a tyranny to the few. And as Milton said, the few have the God given
right to resist and usurp the many. Not only do the many have the right to
resist and usurp the few, but the few have that right as well. It isn't the
law, neither God's Law (if you will) nor Nature's Law (if you will), that
the few must gain the consent of the many (must win the will of majority
over to their way). "Exodus," more than anything else -- short 'Noah' --
speaks to that no "consensus," no "compromises," no "negotiations," no
"delays," no "alright, but in the meantime...," no ifs, ands, or buts,
nature of things ("Let my people go!" "Give me liberty or give me death!"
"Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!" "What part of 'I want nothing to do
with you or yours, nothing whatsoever!' didn't you understand?!" "What part
of 'NO!!!' didn't you understand?!" "What part of 'NEVER!!!' didn't you
understand?!"). No President or Congress, no Duma, no Parliament, no U.N.
Assembly, no assembly at all of any kind, no government at all, has
understood, period, since the everything is compromisable, everything is
negotiable, everything is meetable at the table or in committee, "socialism"
first reared its so ugly head in the world nearly two centuries ago. Right
with it, in an absolute equality, rearing in the world the equally so ugly
head of anti-socialism socialism.
You're talking nothing but a singularity, Jonathon, and a singularity is
good for nothing but what it spins outward and away from itself. It eats
entropy and craps energy. Supposedly [nothing], not even light, can escape
it. Thus [everything] escapes it sooner or later. Everything is escaping it.
Everything will escape it one way or another simply because nothing is
supposedly willing or wanting, or able in any way, to escape it. Remeber the
frenzy of the electrons in a box shrinking around them I spoke of. The
ultimate conclusion of ever increasing frenzy versus ever increasing
shrinkage of the box. One electron in its natural state in its natural
environment, is observed not to have the power to resist to resist the boxed
state. But it is observed to develop "frenzy" when the box closes in on it.
More and more frenzy the more and more the box closes in. There is no
difference between that frenzy and fanaticism. The electron's natural
development of ever increasing frenzy in a boxed state shrinking is a
natural development of extremes, of fanaticism, in any boxed state. Thus
frenzy is the evolution of the mass and energy power of just one electron
into the mass and energy power of two or more electrons merged into just the
one self-same electron. Now anti probably. Now a positron probably. Anyway,
definitely a relentless fanatic, relentlessly fanatically bent.
GLB
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24 Feb 2006 03:44:53 PM |
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"G. L. Bradford" <glbrad01@insightbb.com> wrote in message
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You didn't print out the two stock charts. I'm trying to
show you I've figured out how to use chaos theory in
playing the market. It's something many have tried and
failed to do. Those that have figured it out are apparently
keeping it to themselves, as I've never heard of any
claim of success, only attempts that failed.
Printout the five day chart of ticker hdy, and the five
day chart of ticker dcn. Look carefully at the pattern
displayed for hdy from tues to thurs, and the pattern
for dcn for thurs. These show self similarity across
space, time and scale. Universal behavior at the
edge of chaos are displayed in those patterns.
I've seen that very same pattern a couple of
hundred times over the last couple of years and
they do the same thing over and over. Size, scale
and time frame do not matter. Only the level of
total system uncertainty matters. This total system
uncertainty is exceedingly easy to calculate btw.
http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/avatar.asp
They've tried supercomputers and massive simulations
to try to apply chaos theory to the market. But a
child can do the math when the concepts are
applied properly. I believe the answer to this
particular real world problem was so simple
they completely missed it.
As I said, I am talking to an alien I have no common ground with, thus
you
are as well.
Clearly we are looking at things from two different perspectives.
And that in itself is interesing enough. It's a simple frame of
reference problem, as in two different starting points. And
since our discussion has been all about conclusions and
opinions, the end of the process, our different frames of
reference generate entirely opposing outlooks.
This is what happens when a discussion starts at the end instead
of at the begginning. Chaos and complexity science has figured
out the frame of reference mistake that modern science has
preached as dogma for centuries. So long that no one even
dares to question such basic assumptions anymore.
As long as you cling to the certainty of classical science, the
reductionism and part specific descriptions, you will continue
to be as pessimistic and I am optimistic.
I have the better view, the modern view that will define science
and our existence for the future. You are still looking at the
world through Dark Age glasses.
The Washington Times just published the second of three
articles on Americans' alarming mortgage debt load, riskier and ever
riskier
loans growing by leaps and bounds. It has also recently published articles
on our huge deficits in trade, Americans' constancy of deficit spending,
the
vast majority of Americans not having even the tiniest bit of savings for
any rainy day (re: Katrina). We have no frontier. We have almost no
schools
left worthy of the name of institutions of learning. Americans not only
ignore history like no other nation in history, but they (other than a
very
few of us outsiders) for the most part have been brainwashed to hate
western
civilization's history with every fiber of their being. The Utopia
syndrome.
Still the welfare-healthcare state syndrome. It's nothing new in history.
It
dooms life to repeat history (decline and fall and dark age).
Americans increasingly have no breadth and depth. Almost no attention
span
exists in the vast majority, which is what naturally occurs when a people
try to pay attention to baselessness. We have not a single safeguard in
place against any kind of a reversal of fortune. The only thing keeping
America, and western civilization in general, going is momentum built up
from past centuries. A meteor burns hottest and brightest of all in the
short run in time before it grounds.
You say I'm virtually all darkness in what I see. A closed world -- life
closed completely off from the frontier Universe -- is the ultimate trap,
an
absolute tyranny. You brought up God. God told Adam and Eve not to eat of
the fruit of that tree in the dead [center] of Eden. They could have the
fruit of any tree in the outer periphery they wanted but they could not
have
anything of that tree in the dead [center]. It would be their black hole
in
space and time, so to speak. It would kill them, not raise them up to
anything greater. They went for it anyway and God had to displace them to
an
outer space frontier, even further out than the original periphery He gave
them as theirs, so to prevent their otherwise inevitable extinction from
going for utter centrality's naked singularity (from going for Utopia).
Exactly the same warning and outcome is repeated in the fabeled story of
Babel (self-similarity?). The Books of Exodus are a larger version, far
nearer to history than fable, far more fleshed out. By far the darkest
Biblical version (and the most coded to keep the Roman police state from
understanding), the most encompassing of all space and time and life, is
in
the Apocalypse (in Revelations). No one tree! Many trees! No one street,
no
one river, no one path! Many streets! Many rivers! Many paths! No "One
World"! No "One World -ism"! Many worlds! Many -isms! And as Adam and Eve
eventually and inevitably discovered to the continuing confusion ever
after
of clerical students of Genesis, no "One Mankind." No single herd. No
single
humanity. No "One People." Again, no one way...even to no one way of
observing, interpreting, thinking about (all in all, no one way of
comprehending (no single comprehension to exist of)) exactly the same
thing!
Centrality / mirror / anti-centrality centrality. Consensus / mirror /
anti-consensus consensus. Not even the consensus of most, but especially
the
so-called "consensus of all," to be anything but ultimately realized to
have
been utterly confused rather than as clear as day to most or all.
Much as I like President Bush, his moves to democracize all mankind will
lead to Armageddon. It will lead to rivers of blood, a blood bath.
Democracy
is a tyranny to the few. And as Milton said, the few have the God given
right to resist and usurp the many. Not only do the many have the right to
resist and usurp the few, but the few have that right as well. It isn't
the
law, neither God's Law (if you will) nor Nature's Law (if you will), that
the few must gain the consent of the many (must win the will of majority
over to their way). "Exodus," more than anything else -- short 'Noah' --
speaks to that no "consensus," no "compromises," no "negotiations," no
"delays," no "alright, but in the meantime...," no ifs, ands, or buts,
nature of things ("Let my people go!" "Give me liberty or give me death!"
"Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!" "What part of 'I want nothing to
do
with you or yours, nothing whatsoever!' didn't you understand?!" "What
part
of 'NO!!!' didn't you understand?!" "What part of 'NEVER!!!' didn't you
understand?!"). No President or Congress, no Duma, no Parliament, no U.N.
Assembly, no assembly at all of any kind, no government at all, has
understood, period, since the everything is compromisable, everything is
negotiable, everything is meetable at the table or in committee,
"socialism"
first reared its so ugly head in the world nearly two centuries ago. Right
with it, in an absolute equality, rearing in the world the equally so ugly
head of anti-socialism socialism.
You're talking nothing but a singularity, Jonathon, and a singularity is
good for nothing but what it spins outward and away from itself. It eats
entropy and craps energy. Supposedly [nothing], not even light, can escape
it. Thus [everything] escapes it sooner or later. Everything is escaping
it.
Everything will escape it one way or another simply because nothing is
supposedly willing or wanting, or able in any way, to escape it. Remeber
the
frenzy of the electrons in a box shrinking around them I spoke of. The
ultimate conclusion of ever increasing frenzy versus ever increasing
shrinkage of the box. One electron in its natural state in its natural
environment, is observed not to have the power to resist to resist the
boxed
state. But it is observed to develop "frenzy" when the box closes in on
it.
More and more frenzy the more and more the box closes in. There is no
difference between that frenzy and fanaticism. The electron's natural
development of ever increasing frenzy in a boxed state shrinking is a
natural development of extremes, of fanaticism, in any boxed state. Thus
frenzy is the evolution of the mass and energy power of just one electron
into the mass and energy power of two or more electrons merged into just
the
one self-same electron. Now anti probably. Now a positron probably.
Anyway,
definitely a relentless fanatic, relentlessly fanatically bent.
Your collection of 'fallen trees' is impressive. I see them too, but
I also see the forest. You don't, and you're missing what truly
matters and defines our existence.
Jonathan
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GLB
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Your collection of 'fallen trees' is impressive. I see them too, but
I also see the forest. You don't, and you're missing what truly
matters and defines our existence.
Jonathan
What truly matters, what is imperative, is tearing down World Utopia's
iron curtain and opening the frontier door out to freeing, real freeing --
evaporating the coils of the constrictor constricting. I've never dealt in
anything but the greater parcel...even while dealing in its impositions and
effects upon the supposed lesser part. Impositions and effects that
inevitably rebound to the parcel.
I recently watched an old movie, Garden of Evil. At the end, Gary Cooper
is thinking out loud: In a world made of dirt, men fight and die for a
handful of gold. If the world were made of gold, men would fight and die for
a handful of dirt.
The more golden the world, the greater becomes the fight for dirt. The
more "one and the same" all is or becomes or is seeming to become, the
greater (the larger and harder) becomes the fight for any and all truly
alien "differences." And I mean precisely that, "truly alien" differences
(uncompromisable, non-negotiable, tyranny (freedom)).
What is imperative is opening the frontier door out to freeing, real
freeing, come what tyrannies may of real freeing!
GLB
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