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Topic: Science > Physics
User: "Mike Helland"
Date: 20 Aug 2004 10:16:03 AM
Object: Re: Defining nature
Mark Martin wrote:

"Mike Helland" <mhelland@techmocracy.net> wrote in message

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I'll explain. If nature is four sets of phenomena, and one of those
sets of phenomena involves the photon, then the behavior of the

photon

defines that set. Because the photon is what mediates the phenomena

of

electromagnetism, the speed of the photon is the speed limit of the

set

of eletromagnetic phenomena.

Now let's think about my defintion.

Nature is defined by four different sets of phenomena with their

own

different defintions.

If there exists a speed limit in the set of electromagnetic

phenomena,

our defintion of nature begs us to ask, does this necessarily imply
that the speed limit is for all of nature?

I don't see any reason why there should be when the sets are

defined

differently and without the photon and its specific

characteristics. Do

you? So the correction interpretation of special relativity should

be

that nothing in the set of electromagnetic phenomena travels faster
than light, instead of asserting that nothing in nature travels

faster

than light.

Unless you can think of an objection or criticism of my suggestion,
which is all I asked for, this refinement of knowledge advances
physics.


SR makes a blanket assertion as to ALL things within pairs of
reference frames.

Pairs connected by signals of light, correct?

And 'nature' isn't known to be broken up into four sets of rules.
You seem to be painting a picture in which nature is a house, split

by

walls into four rooms, with no doors between them. This is a fairly
backwards way of seeing what physics says about the world nowadays.
Actually, in modern theories there indeed 'probably' aren't any

doors,

but only because there probably aren't even any walls-

I like your visual, but I would disagree.
I am painting four different pictures, one with each limb. Each hand is
painting two pictures, and each foot is painting one.
The pictures are all independent of each other, they exist in different
frames, they were created with different limbs, but at the same time,
they all stem from the same place: my imagination.
They are connected in how they were created (the laws of physics in
this case) but they are seperated in how they exist.
You are correct that "nature isn't known to be broken up into four sets
of rules." The purpose of my conjecture is to make it known.
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