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Re: Do you think we REALLY landed on the moon in 1969 ? I know this is a hot topic, but lets talk some.... |
On Sat, 17 Nov 2007, IbeDavid <norman706@gmail.com> wrote:
Ive seen a few DVD's on the reasons why we didnt, read a few articles,
been to websites, and watched a few compelling YouTube Documentary
Videos on the topic. Im pretty troubled on a few things. In
particular : 1. The brick visible with a 'c' inscribed on it . 2.
The USA flag being blown around when theres no atmosphere on the
moon. 3. No very deep marks left on the moons surface upon take off
from the ships jets. 4. The Allen belt with severe radiation that
theyd have to pass thru. 5. The shadow discrepancies and lighting. 6.
And no visible stars from the moons surface. And.. a few others too.
I think its very possible that the U.S. Government at the time duped
us and the rest of the watching world by sending up the SpaceCraft but
just had it circle the earth a few times before it returned to
earth...with all the great 'moon shots' being cleverly shot in the
desert. If youve researched this topic thoroughly, what do you
conclude ? Thanks,
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This subject's has been beaten to death. I saw some links earlier
this month (see below), only to discover there are _hundreds_ of
videos analyzing Big Brother's "NASA" film footage & photographs
right down to the gnat's *****! BB's so-called "manned moon shots"
were absolutely definitely hoaxed. Only the delusional Atheists
& other fundamentalist fanatics always believe everything their
Anti-Christian Atheist Government tells them to believe without
question. America really is infested by the most badly-educated,
brainwashed, weak-minded pussified milquetoasts on planet Earth.
On Sat, 03 Nov 2007, Hobo <dfgsdgt546456rtg@googlemail.com> wrote:
Apollo Moon Hoax? Dr. David Groves Analysis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6MvcIs4OcQ
Apollo Moon Hoax? Spotlights, Fall-off, Camera Angles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQj-Mh__fRc
Apollo Moon Hoax? Sun or Spotlight?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgID31UpYfA
Nearly *four decades* have elapsed since 1969, thirty-five
years since 1972. The Apollo missions were all unmanned as
the evidence shows. A mere few hundred miles above sealevel
is as far above Earth's surface that JPL/NASA's "horseless"
carriages have ever been. Every "manned" moon landing back
in covered-wagon times was nothing but cold-war propaganda
for the unsuspecting masses...as the evidence demonstrates.
It's a proven fact NASA's six allegedly-manned half-million
miles per round-trip(!) missions to the Moon (1969-72) were
at best unmanned flights in competition with the U.S.S.R.'s
contemporaneous Soviet Luna/Lunakhod unmanned Moon missions.
"They couldn't make it so they faked it." Thus, the "manned"
portions of the missions were actually filmed under the top-
secret, heavily-guarded domed soundstages in the high desert
of Area 51, NV, perhaps around Pine Gap, AUS and maybe other
remote and publicly-inaccessible locations around the world.
Flags fluttering in the high-desert breeze, sand
buggies & actors running along in their deflated
monkeysuits-obviously recorded on highspeed film,
conspicuous absence of blast craters, impossibly
silent running under invisible exhaust emissions,
brazenly obvious backdrops which contrast sharply
against the nearby high-desert terrain ad nauseam
The Moon is far beyond the reach of manned spacecraft, to wit:
ALTITUDE COMPARISON CHART
SHUTTLE VS. MOON & MANMADE SATELLITES
(not to scale)
x------Moon's mean geocentric distance ~239,000 miles---x
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~ ~214,000 MILES ~
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x------High-altitude orbit ~25,000+ miles altitude------x
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x------Geostationary orbit ~22,300 miles altitude-------x
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~ ~10,000 MILES ~
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x------Mid-altitude orbit ~12,500 miles altitude--------x
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~ ~10,000 MILES ~
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x------Low-altitude orbit below ~1200 miles altitude----x
x------JPL/NASA Space Shuttle orbit ~300 miles altitude-x
x------Intl. Space Station orbit ~220 miles altitude |
x------Earth's sea level -0- miles altitude-------------x
To give you an idea of the scale involved, if each hard line
break in the chart below equals roughly 10,000 miles, to wit:
x------Moon's mean geocentric distance ~239,000 miles---x
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x------Geostationary orbit ~22,300 miles altitude-------x
x------Mid-altitude orbit ~12,500 miles altitude--------x
x------Low-altitude orbit below ~1200 miles altitude----x
Thus the low-earth shuttle orbit would fit somewhere between
the center and baseline of the bottom 'x'--hardly visible at
all at this scale. And yet, that is the highest altitude any
manned flight has ever successfully sustained for any length
of time. But the "men to the moon" fairytale devotees don't
want to face up to these and other glaring facts in evidence:
*Altitude Comparison Chart of Shuttle vs. Moon & Manmade Satellites:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=A82FLEI038814.6969560185@anonymous.poster
*Apollo Moon Missions 1969-1972 Were At Best *Unmanned*:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=VTKA4X1O37500.9704861111@Gilgamesh-frog.org
*Quasi-Uncensored Apollo Moon Hoax Bookmarks:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=7RL5KJIX37499.1691435185@Gilgamesh-frog.org
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Remember, because this particular evidence regarding the laser
reflectors (which are indisputably on the surface of the Moon)
has been repeatedly cited as "proof" that living human beings
have actually been to the Moon and back (i.e., only by badly-
educated cowards who were duped by NASA's propaganda machine),
but were in reality *unmanned* missions at best that occurred
nearly FOUR DECADES ago, I'll briefly address this issue one
more time for the benefit of conscientious lurkers out there:
http://www.aerospaceguide.net/spacecraft/lunakhod.html
"Lunokhod 1 was the first successful Soviet remote-
controlled moon rover that was carried to the Moon
by Luna 17. It was launched November 10, 1970. The
rover had eight wheels.
"The Luna 17 spacecraft landed on the moon on November
17, 1970. Lunokhod 1 weighed just under 2,000 pounds
and was designed to operate for 90 days while guided
by a 5-person team. Lunokhod 1 explored the Mare
Imbrium for 11 months and traveled 11km and relayed
television pictures and scientific data.
Lunokhod 2 moon rover was an improved version of
Lunokhod 1. It was carried to the moon on Luna 21
and landed on January 16, 1973. Lunokhod 2 was faster
and carried an additional television camera. It
travelled 37km in only 8 weeks." [end quote]
http://www.zarya.info/Diaries/Luna/Lunokhod1.htm
"Lunokhod 1 went to the Moon aboard Luna 17. Its
eight wire-mesh wheels each has its own electric
motor to allow manoeuvring in tight spaces, and so
failure of a single motor did not prevent it from
moving.
The lidded box at the left is a French-built laser
reflector. It was used to reflect back to Earth a
laser beam, making it possible to measure the
distance between the Earth and Moon to an accuracy
of twenty to thirty centimetres" [end quote]
http://www.zarya.info/Diaries/Luna/Lunokhod2.htm
"There is an additional high-level TV camera for
panoramic photography, and all lenses have
improved sunshades.
The small silver box between the front wheels is
an alpha particle emitter which can be lowered
onto the Moon to measure soil composition. Like
its predecessor, Lunokhod 2 carries a French
retro-reflector for use with a laser beam
transmitted from Earth. It allows the Earth-Moon
distance to be measured to an accuracy around 20
centimetres.
http://www.zarya.info/Diaries/Luna/Luna16.htm
"the cone-shaped antenna keeps communication with
Earth while the drill arm sits in its rest position
on the right. The sample will be taken by rotating
the drill head by one hundred and eighty degrees,
lowering the drill arm to the surface and extracting
a core sample.
On returning to the rest position, the sample is
transferred to the return capsule and sent back to
Earth" [end quote]
Therefore the Soviet Lunokhod I/II-Luna XVII/XXI missions
both successfully landed their unmanned remote-controlled
lunar-rovers a.k.a. dune-buggies on the Moon: in the same
time frame as the alleged "apollo" missions were supposed
to have occurred. These remote-controlled Russian buggies
placed French- made laser reflectors on the Moon! Another
Soviet unmanned mission, Luna XVI, landed on the Moon and
returned a soil sample to the Earth by September 24, 1970:
from the Moon, unmanned, programmed and remote-controlled.
So laser-reflecting corner prisms were placed on the Moon
by unmanned probes and a 100g x 35 cm soil sample drilled
out from the lunar surface was sent back to Earth by this
earlier of these unmanned missions all in the early 1970s.
This completely and absolutely destroys any argument that
lunar soil samples or lunar laser reflectors "prove" that
men were on the Moon. Rather, as with all other evidences
cited allegedly supporting of the "apollo" missions, upon
precise examination the same evidence proves at least the
"manned" portions of these apollo missions were definitely
hoaxed. Men NEVER went to the Moon, because men have NEVER
achieved and survived sustained altitudes much above about
five or six hundred miles above Earth's sea level. Got it?
Remember, the Moon is almost a quarter million miles away--
that's *HALF A MILLION MILES ROUND TRIP*! Get the picture?
By contrast, the Russians proved that they did send their
unmanned probes to the Moon to wit: the presence of laser
reflectors left thereon by the aforesaid Lunokhod buggies.
It could be argued that the lunar soil samples were faked
somehow, but laser reflecting corner cubes are irrefutable
evidence that unmanned robotic probes put them there. See?
At least, the demonstrable presence of the "apollo" laser
reflectors proves the American space program successfully
sent some UNMANNED probes to the Moon -and- has continued
to launch many unmanned instruments into space ever since.
All these missions are UNMANNED. Why? The Sun, that's why.
That's why they NEVER send men into outer space. Not once.
Otherwise, they'd fry to a crisp in the intense radiation.
Happy Thanksgiving (Christians Are Praying for Armageddon),
Daniel Joseph Min
http://www.2hot2cool.com/11/danieljosephmin/
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| Title: Re: Do you think we REALLY landed on the moon in 1969 ? I know this is a hot topic, but lets talk some.... |
20 Nov 2007 08:55:19 AM |
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On Nov 17, 9:10 pm, Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> wrote:
This subject's has been beaten to death. I saw some links earlier
this month (see below), only to discover there are _hundreds_ of
videos analyzing Big Brother's "NASA" film footage & photographs
right down to the gnat's *****! BB's so-called "manned moon shots"
were absolutely definitely hoaxed.
<drivel snipped>
If we hadn't landed on the moon, the Russian would have told the world
that we lied about landing there.
Also there is on the lunar surface several reflectors, placed there by
the unmanned Russian rovers and by American astronauts, that anyone
with the right equipment can bounce a laser beam off of a measure
distance from earth to moon.
Don't even bother replying to this guy. He's obviously nuts. Killfile him
so the rest of us who already have him killfiled don't have to read his
drivel.
Jeff
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"When transportation is cheap, frequent, reliable, and flexible,
everything else becomes easier."
- Jon Goff
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| User: "Adam Funk" |
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| Title: Re: Do you think we REALLY landed on the moon in 1969 ? I know this is a hot topic, but lets talk some.... |
26 Nov 2007 01:31:31 PM |
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On 2007-11-19, wrote:
The Moon is far beyond the reach of manned spacecraft, to wit:
If we hadn't landed on the moon, the Russian would have told the world
that we lied about landing there.
Unless they were lying to their people too in order to satify their
own military-industrial complex.
Also there is on the lunar surface several reflectors, placed there by
the unmanned Russian rovers and by American astronauts, that anyone
with the right equipment can bounce a laser beam off of a measure
distance from earth to moon.
Are you buying sold (and therefore approved) by the government
(military-industrial) lasers, or are you making your own from scratch
(like foil hats)?
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| User: "John Burrage" |
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| Title: Re: Do you think we REALLY landed on the moon in 1969 ? I know thisis a hot topic, but lets talk some.... |
29 Nov 2007 01:37:00 AM |
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On Nov 27, 4:31 am, Adam Funk <a24...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Are you buying sold (and therefore approved) by the government
(military-industrial) lasers, or are you making your own from scratch
(like foil hats)?
It's been ages since there was a really good conspiracy theory. Lots
of crappy ones though; like how we all live inside a giant
intergalactic snow dome.
Actually I just made that up just then, but only to prove how easy it
is to come up with poor theories.
TUm te tum.
Did you know Archie Pu was silenced by the UN? True story.
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| User: "ctrpapa" |
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| Title: Re: Do you think we REALLY landed on the moon in 1969 ? I know thisis a hot topic, but lets talk some.... |
30 Nov 2007 09:59:12 AM |
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On Nov 28, 11:37 pm, John Burrage <john.burr...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 27, 4:31 am, Adam Funk <a24...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Are you buying sold (and therefore approved) by the government
(military-industrial) lasers, or are you making your own from scratch
(like foil hats)?
It's been ages since there was a really good conspiracy theory. Lots
of crappy ones though; like how we all live inside a giant
intergalactic snow dome.
Actually I just made that up just then, but only to prove how easy it
is to come up with poor theories.
TUm te tum.
Did you know Archie Pu was silenced by the UN? True story.
look no further,
here is the unequivocal proof...
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html
"THE BAD ASTRONOMER" is an anagram for "MOON TRASH DEBATER"
coincidence? i think not!
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