Science > Physics > Re: feasibility of spectroscopic chemical analysis while drilling underground?
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"John Kepler" |
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29 Jan 2008 08:02:52 PM |
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Re: feasibility of spectroscopic chemical analysis while drilling underground? |
Google "spectroscopy applications down-hole" - 45,400 hits on English
Google at 19:20 EST today
And that has exactly WHAT to do with mining?
John
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| User: "John Kepler" |
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| Title: Re: feasibility of spectroscopic chemical analysis while drilling underground? |
30 Jan 2008 07:28:53 PM |
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Why do you think it was restricted to "mining",
Quoting from the original post:
is there any possibility that we could automate mining and tunneling
operations to produce segregated samples based on spectroscopic
analysis of the debris?
THAT'S why!
The natural gas and oil industries are also "mining", and there are no
gap-toothed Appalachians or undersized Chinese going down those
drilling pipes.
Dude.....you actually ever spent any time in the Texas and/or Louisiana Gulf
Coast?
John
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| User: "John Kepler" |
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| Title: Re: feasibility of spectroscopic chemical analysis while drilling underground? |
01 Feb 2008 07:18:18 PM |
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My point is that "automated mining and tunneling operations to produce
segregated samples based on spectroscopic analysis of the debris" has
been going on for many years. It is SOP.
Thank you Capt Obvious! I was running core rigs and doing core analysis
likely before you were born! It's "exploration", it ain't "mining"!
John
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| User: "tadchem" |
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| Title: Re: feasibility of spectroscopic chemical analysis while drillingunderground? |
01 Feb 2008 08:18:14 PM |
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On Feb 1, 8:18 pm, "John Kepler" <jekep...@amplex.net> wrote:
My point is that "automated mining and tunneling operations to produce
segregated samples based on spectroscopic analysis of the debris" has
been going on for many years. It is SOP.
Thank you Capt Obvious! I was running core rigs and doing core analysis
likely before you were born! It's "exploration", it ain't "mining"!
John
You're kind of stuck on the word "mining", aren't you?
The post was about real-time analytical measurements in the field.
I am a chemist. I do chemistry. That includes a fair amount of
analytical chemistry. I've done many kinds of chromatography and
spectroscopy.
I leave the petroleum engineering to my wife, except when she needs my
peculiar expertise (my math is better than hers). She left the
Wyoming oil patch to go to Shell in Houston and work on their cores
and well logs (mostly neutron activation). She had to change careers
when the 1981 Arab oil embargo hammered the industry. She tried to
get on with Mesa, but T. Boone Pickens had a strict "there's no such
thing as a female engineer" policy.
Ever work for Schlumberger?
Did you spend all your field time roughnecking offshore, or did you
get into the back bayous at all?
Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA
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| User: "John Kepler" |
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| Title: Re: feasibility of spectroscopic chemical analysis while drilling underground? |
02 Feb 2008 06:09:36 AM |
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You're kind of stuck on the word "mining", aren't you?
Yessir....because words mean things! "Drilling" and "mining" aren't the
same words, and don't mean the same things. Hint: you don't worry about
roof stability, haulage plans, ventilation plans, et.al. when you're
drilling a hole. One requires engineering, the other requires money and and
a fair amount of luck.
The post was about real-time analytical measurements in the field.
No....it was about some goofy idea of using a "robotic mining machine" with
something like a Mossbauer spectrometer running around underground like a
mechanical poodle "digging the ore" and leaving the rest of the rock in situ
and not making such a mess.
I am a chemist. I do chemistry. That includes a fair amount of
analytical chemistry. I've done many kinds of chromatography and
spectroscopy.
I used AA and XRF primarily....some mass spec, a little "wet"....also
thin-section microscopy and metallography. Specialization is for bugs!
Did you spend all your field time roughnecking offshore, or did you
get into the back bayous at all?
I mine (note the word) coal for a living......we also do a fair amount of
coring. And yes, did some oil work paying for grad school, primarily
back-bayou....some in West Texas, so you crack wise about coal miners at
your peril. Know what you call a Cracker driving an F-250 Diesel pick-up in
Louisiana? A drunk oil-worker causing a multi-fatality MVA in progress!
John Kepler Sr.
Elliston, Ohio
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| User: "tadchem" |
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| Title: Re: feasibility of spectroscopic chemical analysis while drillingunderground? |
02 Feb 2008 09:21:25 AM |
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On Feb 2, 7:09 am, "John Kepler" <jekep...@amplex.net> wrote:
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No....it was about some goofy idea of using a "robotic mining machine" with
something like a Mossbauer spectrometer running around underground like a
mechanical poodle "digging the ore" and leaving the rest of the rock in situ
and not making such a mess.
Somehow, that mental image evaded my reading of the OP. I missed just
about every part of that sentence except the ideas of "robotic,"
"spectrometer," and "underground."
But I must constantly remind my wife that my Y chromosome must have a
gene that suppresses mind-reading. Like my grandfather, my father, my
uncles and their sons, my brothers, and my son, we just don't have a
clue about what other people are thinking until they say it.
Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA
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