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Topic: Science > Physics
User: "tony fleming"
Date: 24 Apr 2007 08:45:36 AM
Object: Re: Fine Structure Constant
On Apr 24, 6:56 pm, tony fleming <tflemi...@hotkey.net.au> wrote:

On Apr 24, 2:48 pm, tony fleming <tflemi...@hotkey.net.au> wrote:





On Apr 24, 1:07 am, Uncle Al <Uncle...@hate.spam.net> wrote:


tony fleming wrote:


Further to the analytic expression for the mass of the photon, this
work has been extended to include a theoretical rationale for the fine
structure constant. At this point, three fundamental physical
constants have been extracted from the self-field theory model of the
hydrogen atom. These are Planck's constant, the fine structure
constant and the mass of the photon.


[snip rest of crap]


http://prola.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v90/i8/e081801
Phys. Rev. Lett. 90 081801 (2003)
Phys. Rev. Lett. 80 1826 (1998)
Phys. Rev. Lett. 68 23 3383 (1992)
Phys. Rev. D 8 2349 (1973)


Photon rest mass is less than 10^(-51) grams or 7x10^(-19) electron
volts. If the photon had non-zero rest mass then electromagnetism
would have a finite range and force proportional to 1/r^2 would not
obtain.


Empirical idiot.


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OK, then if I'm empirical, then why does this self-field theory
produce a maths theory that involves Planck's constant, the fine-
structure constant, the photon mass and the lande g-factor all
together and all supporting each other's known values (except for the
photon of course)???


I suggest it's because QFT cannot obtain these constants because it
uses a probabilistic inner product whereas SFT uses the Lorentz
equation and hence QFT CANNOT know beyond probabilities where a
particle is, whereas SFT goes 'beyond quantum maths' to obtain the
actual orbits. But thanks for the reports I'll have a read.


AND lets look at the wavelength associated with the estimated photon
mass


mass_gamma=.4 x 10^(-55) kg


lambda_gamma = h-bar/(c*mass_gamma) = 5.4 x 10^(15) m


so AU = 1.5 x 10^(11) m


lambda_gamma = 35,000 AU


So the ordinary photon works at the compton wavelength out to the edge
of the SOlar system. Beyond that the gravitational forces change and
become more like Galactic gravitational forces which are weaker again
that the solar system.


To you the photon MUST go on out to infinity, as is conventional
'wisdom'. But it's wrong Al. There;s actually four realms of gravity
within the universe according to SFT.- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


Try that again

mass_gamma=.4 x 10^(-55) kg

lambda_gamma = h-bar/(c*mass_gamma) = 5.4 x 10^(13) m

so AU = 1.5 x 10^(11) m

lambda_gamma = 350 AU so about 8-10 times further out than pluto- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Sheesh!!
mass_gamma=.4 x 10^(-55) kg
lambda_gamma = h-bar/(c*mass_gamma) = 5.4 x 10^(12) m
so AU = 1.5 x 10^(11) m
lambda_gamma = 35 AU so approximately pluto (I hope)
.

User: "Uncle Al"

Title: Re: Fine Structure Constant 24 Apr 2007 01:17:51 PM
tony fleming wrote:


On Apr 24, 6:56 pm, tony fleming <tflemi...@hotkey.net.au> wrote:

On Apr 24, 2:48 pm, tony fleming <tflemi...@hotkey.net.au> wrote:





On Apr 24, 1:07 am, Uncle Al <Uncle...@hate.spam.net> wrote:


tony fleming wrote:


Further to the analytic expression for the mass of the photon, this
work has been extended to include a theoretical rationale for the fine
structure constant. At this point, three fundamental physical
constants have been extracted from the self-field theory model of the
hydrogen atom. These are Planck's constant, the fine structure
constant and the mass of the photon.


[snip rest of crap]


http://prola.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v90/i8/e081801
Phys. Rev. Lett. 90 081801 (2003)
Phys. Rev. Lett. 80 1826 (1998)
Phys. Rev. Lett. 68 23 3383 (1992)
Phys. Rev. D 8 2349 (1973)


Photon rest mass is less than 10^(-51) grams or 7x10^(-19) electron
volts. If the photon had non-zero rest mass then electromagnetism
would have a finite range and force proportional to 1/r^2 would not
obtain.


Empirical idiot.


--
Uncle Alhttp://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2


OK, then if I'm empirical, then why does this self-field theory
produce a maths theory that involves Planck's constant, the fine-
structure constant, the photon mass and the lande g-factor all
together and all supporting each other's known values (except for the
photon of course)???


I suggest it's because QFT cannot obtain these constants because it
uses a probabilistic inner product whereas SFT uses the Lorentz
equation and hence QFT CANNOT know beyond probabilities where a
particle is, whereas SFT goes 'beyond quantum maths' to obtain the
actual orbits. But thanks for the reports I'll have a read.


AND lets look at the wavelength associated with the estimated photon
mass


mass_gamma=.4 x 10^(-55) kg


lambda_gamma = h-bar/(c*mass_gamma) = 5.4 x 10^(15) m


so AU = 1.5 x 10^(11) m


lambda_gamma = 35,000 AU


So the ordinary photon works at the compton wavelength out to the edge
of the SOlar system. Beyond that the gravitational forces change and
become more like Galactic gravitational forces which are weaker again
that the solar system.


To you the photon MUST go on out to infinity, as is conventional
'wisdom'. But it's wrong Al. There;s actually four realms of gravity
within the universe according to SFT.- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


Try that again

mass_gamma=.4 x 10^(-55) kg

lambda_gamma = h-bar/(c*mass_gamma) = 5.4 x 10^(13) m

so AU = 1.5 x 10^(11) m

lambda_gamma = 350 AU so about 8-10 times further out than pluto- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Sheesh!!

mass_gamma=.4 x 10^(-55) kg

lambda_gamma = h-bar/(c*mass_gamma) = 5.4 x 10^(12) m

so AU = 1.5 x 10^(11) m

lambda_gamma = 35 AU so approximately pluto (I hope)

Persistence of mass distribution within spiral galaxies over visible
billions of years requires MORE gravitation at large radii than Newton
not less, hence dark matter and those Bullet Nebula pictures,
http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=652
http://www.spacetoday.net/Summary/3464
Your theory is falsified - empirically demonstrated to be wrong - by
simple observation. Going from 35,000 AU to 35 AU characteristic
length is 1000X worse. Why don't you play with the Pioneer anomaly?
That has some anomalously low gravitation slack in it,
http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0205059
Pioneer anomaly
http://arXiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0307042
Rationalized Pioneer anomaly
http://arXiv.org/abs/gr-qc/9810085
Believable rationalized Pioneer anomaly
http://arXiv.org/abs/gr-qc/gr-qc/0310088
Believable Pioneer anomaly updated
http://www.arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0411020
Pioneer anomaly
http://arXiv.org/abs/physics/0502123
Commentary on Pioneer anomaly minutia
http://arXiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0506139
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/open.questions.html
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2
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