Science > Physics > Re: Global-warming alarmists intimidate dissenting scientists into silence
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01 Nov 2006 05:25:50 PM |
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Re: Global-warming alarmists intimidate dissenting scientists into silence |
"Orator" <Orator@trolls.bridge.net> wrote in message
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..... global mean surface temperatures continue to rise.
"Al Bedo" <cu@dark.side.of.the.moon> wrote in message
Could be only a momentary lull, but...
Last five years shows temperatures falling.
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/nhshgl.gif
dan@dan.com wrote:
From looking at that graph, clearly 5 years doesn't indicate
a trend. There are plenty of lulls, yet the trend is up.
"Orator"
On the other hand a single day is sufficient "evidence" of AGW
to the True Believers, while a 5 year trend is discarded totally...
[hanson]
Well, the trend has long been acknowledged and been adapted
to. Whether GW or AGW is immaterial. *** GW is GOOD! ***
No CO2 fees are needed. C conservation is/will be automatic
as can be seen here. Where have you guys been....
http://www.cigarintel.com/agency/wp-content/uploads/globalwarming.jpg
**** Promote Global Warming. Enjoy being in heat! ****
ahahaha.... ahahahanson
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| User: "Gordon" |
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01 Nov 2006 06:55:37 PM |
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On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 23:25:50 GMT, "hanson" <hanson@quick.net>
wrote:
"Orator" <Orator@trolls.bridge.net> wrote in message
news:cJ92h.57182$rP1.40566@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
[???]
news:4544223e$0$10305$815e3792@news.qwest.net...
.... global mean surface temperatures continue to rise.
"Al Bedo" <cu@dark.side.of.the.moon> wrote in message
Could be only a momentary lull, but...
Last five years shows temperatures falling.
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/nhshgl.gif
dan@dan.com wrote:
From looking at that graph, clearly 5 years doesn't indicate
a trend. There are plenty of lulls, yet the trend is up.
"Orator"
On the other hand a single day is sufficient "evidence" of AGW
to the True Believers, while a 5 year trend is discarded totally...
[hanson]
Well, the trend has long been acknowledged and been adapted
to. Whether GW or AGW is immaterial. *** GW is GOOD! ***
No CO2 fees are needed. C conservation is/will be automatic
as can be seen here. Where have you guys been....
http://www.cigarintel.com/agency/wp-content/uploads/globalwarming.jpg
**** Promote Global Warming. Enjoy being in heat! ****
ahahaha.... ahahahCHOOO!
Gesundheit
Didn't this present global warming, or interglacial period start
about 12,000 years ago? It's been a long time since glaciers and
ice sheets covered all of Canada and extended on down over the
upper part of the US. I suppose it is possible that, had it not
been for the industrial age and the corresponding release of so
much greenhouse gas, we would already have tipped back into
another deep ice age. Had that happened, the going would really
be rough, wouldn't it?
Gordon
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| User: "werty" |
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01 Nov 2006 10:43:27 PM |
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In science , the simpler explanation is more probable ....
The earth will warm slowly , the population will be less than
10 million in 2100 and all complaints will stop ....
But as you can see from the research , the earth
will warm a bit .....
Simpler explanation !!!!
Society /govt will lose its power over white males and stop
bad mouthing them as the cause of all problems ....
They will quietly take power and be the only ones with enough
$$ to create children ......
They will feed only females who cut their tubes , no cut , no food
but after they cut their tubes , whats the encentive to keep feeding !
All poor family "Trees" will end ! There will only be
competitive
humans on earth .
Greenhouse gases ? ......don worry about it ............
Gordon wrote:
On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 23:25:50 GMT, "hanson" <hanson@quick.net>
wrote:
"Orator" <Orator@trolls.bridge.net> wrote in message
news:cJ92h.57182$rP1.40566@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
[???]
news:4544223e$0$10305$815e3792@news.qwest.net...
.... global mean surface temperatures continue to rise.
"Al Bedo" <cu@dark.side.of.the.moon> wrote in message
Could be only a momentary lull, but...
Last five years shows temperatures falling.
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/nhshgl.gif
dan@dan.com wrote:
From looking at that graph, clearly 5 years doesn't indicate
a trend. There are plenty of lulls, yet the trend is up.
"Orator"
On the other hand a single day is sufficient "evidence" of AGW
to the True Believers, while a 5 year trend is discarded totally...
[hanson]
Well, the trend has long been acknowledged and been adapted
to. Whether GW or AGW is immaterial. *** GW is GOOD! ***
No CO2 fees are needed. C conservation is/will be automatic
as can be seen here. Where have you guys been....
http://www.cigarintel.com/agency/wp-content/uploads/globalwarming.jpg
**** Promote Global Warming. Enjoy being in heat! ****
ahahaha.... ahahahCHOOO!
Gesundheit
Didn't this present global warming, or interglacial period start
about 12,000 years ago? It's been a long time since glaciers and
ice sheets covered all of Canada and extended on down over the
upper part of the US. I suppose it is possible that, had it not
been for the industrial age and the corresponding release of so
much greenhouse gas, we would already have tipped back into
another deep ice age. Had that happened, the going would really
be rough, wouldn't it?
Gordon
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| User: "hanson" |
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01 Nov 2006 09:31:29 PM |
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"Gordon" <gordonlr@DELETEswbell.net> wrote in message
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"hanson" <hanson@quick.net>
"Orator" <Orator@trolls.bridge.net> wrote in message
news:cJ92h.57182$rP1.40566@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
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news:4544223e$0$10305$815e3792@news.qwest.net...
..... global mean surface temperatures continue to rise.
"Al Bedo" <cu@dark.side.of.the.moon> wrote in message
Could be only a momentary lull, but...
Last five years shows temperatures falling.
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/nhshgl.gif
dan@dan.com wrote:
From looking at that graph, clearly 5 years doesn't indicate
a trend. There are plenty of lulls, yet the trend is up.
"Orator"
On the other hand a single day is sufficient "evidence" of AGW
to the True Believers, while a 5 year trend is discarded totally...
[hanson]
Well, the trend has long been acknowledged and been adapted
to. Whether GW or AGW is immaterial. *** GW is GOOD! ***
No CO2 fees are needed. C conservation is/will be automatic
as can be seen here. Where have you guys been....
http://www.cigarintel.com/agency/wp-content/uploads/globalwarming.jpg
**** Promote Global Warming. Enjoy being in heat! ****
ahahaha.... ahahahCHOOO!
[Gordy]
Gesundheit
Didn't this present global warming, or interglacial period start about
12,000 years ago? [1] It's been a long time since glaciers and
ice sheets covered all of Canada and extended on down over the
upper part of the US. I suppose it is possible that, had it not
been for the industrial age and the corresponding release of so
much greenhouse gas, we would already have tipped back into
another deep ice age [2]. Had that happened, the going would really
be rough, wouldn't it?
Gordon
[hanson]
Of course to [1&2] and one of the authors of the green Bible,
Schneider was in that very Global Cooling camp:
=== "We make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little
= mention of any doubts we may have [about] being honest."
= -- Stephen Schneider (Stanford prof. who first sought fame as
= a global cooler, but has now hit the big time as a global warmer)
=== "It doesn't matter what is true ... it only matters what people
= believe is true ... -- Paul Watson, Greenpeace, and ......
=== "A lot of environmental [sci/soc/pol] messages are simply not
= accurate. We use hype." -- Jerry Franklin, Ecologist, UoW.
.... and here is the scheme that drives. Environmentalism which
nothing but a legalized criminal enterprise that works like this:
Modern, attributal definitions of enviro classifications:
========= enviro Class (1) --- the Green *****(s):
....are the ones who advocate, promote, support, legalize,
institute and extort the permit charges, the user fees, the
enviro surtaxes and the CO2/Carbon tax, all reflected in
HIGHER PRICES of goods and services!, ...and being
responsible for much of the OUT-SOURCING!
========= enviro Class (2) -- the Green turd(s):
.... are the ones who are recipients and beneficiaries from
the lootings of (1), directly or indirectly.
========= enviro Class (3) -- the Little green idiot(s):
... are the unpaid, well-meaning ones who think they do
something for the "environment", when in fact they are only
the enablers and facilitators for (2) who are harvesting the
green $$$ that (1) has extorted.
ahahaha.... ahahanson
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| User: "Lloyd Parker" |
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02 Nov 2006 05:07:43 AM |
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In article <40gik2l2gfokhkk8spfdpu3e24rb8gse8u@4ax.com>,
Gordon <gordonlr@DELETEswbell.net> wrote:
On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 23:25:50 GMT, "hanson" <hanson@quick.net>
wrote:
"Orator" <Orator@trolls.bridge.net> wrote in message
news:cJ92h.57182$rP1.40566@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
[???]
news:4544223e$0$10305$815e3792@news.qwest.net...
.... global mean surface temperatures continue to rise.
"Al Bedo" <cu@dark.side.of.the.moon> wrote in message
Could be only a momentary lull, but...
Last five years shows temperatures falling.
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/nhshgl.gif
dan@dan.com wrote:
From looking at that graph, clearly 5 years doesn't indicate
a trend. There are plenty of lulls, yet the trend is up.
"Orator"
On the other hand a single day is sufficient "evidence" of AGW
to the True Believers, while a 5 year trend is discarded totally...
[hanson]
Well, the trend has long been acknowledged and been adapted
to. Whether GW or AGW is immaterial. *** GW is GOOD! ***
No CO2 fees are needed. C conservation is/will be automatic
as can be seen here. Where have you guys been....
http://www.cigarintel.com/agency/wp-content/uploads/globalwarming.jpg
**** Promote Global Warming. Enjoy being in heat! ****
ahahaha.... ahahahCHOOO!
Gesundheit
Didn't this present global warming, or interglacial period start
about 12,000 years ago?
No. 150.
It's been a long time since glaciers and
ice sheets covered all of Canada and extended on down over the
upper part of the US.
It's also been a long time since they started retreating like they're doing
now.
I suppose it is possible that, had it not
been for the industrial age and the corresponding release of so
much greenhouse gas, we would already have tipped back into
another deep ice age. Had that happened, the going would really
be rough, wouldn't it?
Gordon
I suppose it's possible the Borg could come back and assimilate us.
Why experiment with the only planet we have?
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| User: "hanson" |
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02 Nov 2006 04:00:54 PM |
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"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
news:eid54i$lgc$2@leto.cc.emory.edu... (short memory.edu)
"Orator"
..... a single day is sufficient "evidence" of AGW to the True
Green Believers, while a 5 year trend is discarded totally...
[hanson]
Well, the trend has long been acknowledged and been adapted
to. Whether GW or AGW is immaterial. *** GW is GOOD! ***
No CO2 fees are needed. C conservation is/will be automatic
as can be seen here. Where have you guys been....
http://www.cigarintel.com/agency/wp-content/uploads/globalwarming.jpg
**** Promote Global Warming. Enjoy being in heat! ****
[Gordon]
<gordonlr@DELETEswbell.net> wrote:
Didn't this present global warming, or interglacial period start
about 12,000 years ago?
[Parki-pooh]
No. 150.
[hanson]
Like all Greens (class 1,2 & 3), Parki-pooh has a conveniently
short memory advocacy in order to enable and facilitate the
extortion of money via permit charges, user fees, enviro surtaxes
and hopefully NEW LARGE CARBON TAXES from hardworking
people.
[Parki-pooh]
Why experiment with the only planet we have?
[hanson]
It's you pinko-green motherfuckers who do the experimenting
and interfering with nature, by not recognizing that humans
are a part of the global eco-system who like any other lifeform
have only 2 fundamental functions:
***** (1) to procreate and
***** (2) to CHANGE their environment
without (2) not only (1) but not even the very existence of human
kind would be possible. --- The Green shits' interference with the
natural world is motivated solely by the greed of the enviro-cult
thru the edicts in the green bible that says:
= "It doesn't matter what is true ... it only matters what people
= believe is true ... -- Paul Watson, Greenpeace, and ......
= "A lot of environmental [sci/soc/pol] messages are simply not
= accurate. We use hype." -- Jerry Franklin, Ecologist, UoW, and...
= "We make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little
= mention of any doubts we may have [about] being honest."
= -- Stephen Schneider (Stanford prof. who first sought fame as
= a global cooler, but has now hit the big time as a global warmer)
---- and here's the green extortion scam according to:
Modern, attributal definitions of enviro classifications:
========= enviro Class (1) --- the Green *****(s):
....are the ones who advocate, promote, support, legalize,
institute and extort the permit charges, the user fees, the
enviro surtaxes and the CO2/Carbon tax, all reflected in
HIGHER PRICES of goods and services!, ...and being
responsible for much of the OUT-SOURCING!
========= enviro Class (2) -- the Green turd(s):
.... are the ones who are recipients and beneficiaries from
the lootings of (1), directly or indirectly.
========= enviro Class (3) -- the Little green idiot(s):
... are the unpaid, well-meaning ones who think they do
something for the "environment", when in fact they are only
the enablers and facilitators for (2) who are harvesting the
green $$$ that (1) has extorted.
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| User: "Orator" |
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02 Nov 2006 05:40:03 PM |
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Lloyd Parker wrote:
In article <40gik2l2gfokhkk8spfdpu3e24rb8gse8u@4ax.com>,
Gordon <gordonlr@DELETEswbell.net> wrote:
On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 23:25:50 GMT, "hanson" <hanson@quick.net>
wrote:
"Orator" <Orator@trolls.bridge.net> wrote in message
news:cJ92h.57182$rP1.40566@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
[???]
news:4544223e$0$10305$815e3792@news.qwest.net...
.... global mean surface temperatures continue to rise.
"Al Bedo" <cu@dark.side.of.the.moon> wrote in message
Could be only a momentary lull, but...
Last five years shows temperatures falling.
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/nhshgl.gif
dan@dan.com wrote:
From looking at that graph, clearly 5 years doesn't indicate
a trend. There are plenty of lulls, yet the trend is up.
"Orator"
On the other hand a single day is sufficient "evidence" of AGW
to the True Believers, while a 5 year trend is discarded totally...
[hanson]
Well, the trend has long been acknowledged and been adapted
to. Whether GW or AGW is immaterial. *** GW is GOOD! ***
No CO2 fees are needed. C conservation is/will be automatic
as can be seen here. Where have you guys been....
http://www.cigarintel.com/agency/wp-content/uploads/globalwarming.jpg
**** Promote Global Warming. Enjoy being in heat! ****
ahahaha.... ahahahCHOOO!
A very "revealing" site :-)
Gesundheit
Didn't this present global warming, or interglacial period start
about 12,000 years ago?
No. 150.
Idiot! Try 20,000 years ago. The 12,000 years ago was when some land in
the Adriatic became islands! It is also about the time of the
irreversible collapse of the Laurentide ice sheet in North America
occurred, however it is not considered the "end of the ice age" (it was
at 20kybp).
Here is are maps of North America at 12,000 ybp:
http://geo.arizona.edu/palynology/nam_p12k.gif
http://www.esd.ornl.gov/projects/qen/NEW_MAPS/northam2.gif
It's been a long time since glaciers and
ice sheets covered all of Canada and extended on down over the
upper part of the US.
It's also been a long time since they started retreating like they're doing
now.
Yes 20 K years ago, with a blip during the Little Ice age that was at
nearly at an end, a time you use as one reference point for your
preaching of AGW!
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| User: "Lloyd Parker" |
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| Title: Re: Global-warming alarmists intimidate dissenting scientists intosilence |
03 Nov 2006 02:28:22 AM |
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In article <nlv2h.57718$rP1.53019@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
Orator <Orator@trolls.bridge.net> wrote:
Lloyd Parker wrote:
In article <40gik2l2gfokhkk8spfdpu3e24rb8gse8u@4ax.com>,
Gordon <gordonlr@DELETEswbell.net> wrote:
On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 23:25:50 GMT, "hanson" <hanson@quick.net>
wrote:
"Orator" <Orator@trolls.bridge.net> wrote in message
news:cJ92h.57182$rP1.40566@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
[???]
news:4544223e$0$10305$815e3792@news.qwest.net...
.... global mean surface temperatures continue to rise.
"Al Bedo" <cu@dark.side.of.the.moon> wrote in message
Could be only a momentary lull, but...
Last five years shows temperatures falling.
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/nhshgl.gif
dan@dan.com wrote:
From looking at that graph, clearly 5 years doesn't indicate
a trend. There are plenty of lulls, yet the trend is up.
"Orator"
On the other hand a single day is sufficient "evidence" of AGW
to the True Believers, while a 5 year trend is discarded totally...
[hanson]
Well, the trend has long been acknowledged and been adapted
to. Whether GW or AGW is immaterial. *** GW is GOOD! ***
No CO2 fees are needed. C conservation is/will be automatic
as can be seen here. Where have you guys been....
http://www.cigarintel.com/agency/wp-content/uploads/globalwarming.jpg
**** Promote Global Warming. Enjoy being in heat! ****
ahahaha.... ahahahCHOOO!
A very "revealing" site :-)
Gesundheit
Didn't this present global warming, or interglacial period start
about 12,000 years ago?
No. 150.
Idiot! Try 20,000 years ago. The 12,000 years ago was when some land in
the Adriatic became islands! It is also about the time of the
irreversible collapse of the Laurentide ice sheet in North America
occurred, however it is not considered the "end of the ice age" (it was
at 20kybp).
The warming we're experiencing now began in the late 19th century.
Here is are maps of North America at 12,000 ybp:
http://geo.arizona.edu/palynology/nam_p12k.gif
http://www.esd.ornl.gov/projects/qen/NEW_MAPS/northam2.gif
It's been a long time since glaciers and
ice sheets covered all of Canada and extended on down over the
upper part of the US.
It's also been a long time since they started retreating like they're doing
now.
Yes 20 K years ago, with a blip during the Little Ice age that was at
nearly at an end, a time you use as one reference point for your
preaching of AGW!
I use when the current warming started.
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| User: "Orator" |
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06 Nov 2006 12:09:43 AM |
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Lloyd Parker wrote:
In article <nlv2h.57718$rP1.53019@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
Orator <Orator@trolls.bridge.net> wrote:
Lloyd Parker wrote:
In article <40gik2l2gfokhkk8spfdpu3e24rb8gse8u@4ax.com>,
Gordon <gordonlr@DELETEswbell.net> wrote:
On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 23:25:50 GMT, "hanson" <hanson@quick.net>
wrote:
"Orator" <Orator@trolls.bridge.net> wrote in message
news:cJ92h.57182$rP1.40566@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
[???]
news:4544223e$0$10305$815e3792@news.qwest.net...
.... global mean surface temperatures continue to rise.
"Al Bedo" <cu@dark.side.of.the.moon> wrote in message
Could be only a momentary lull, but...
Last five years shows temperatures falling.
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/nhshgl.gif
dan@dan.com wrote:
From looking at that graph, clearly 5 years doesn't indicate
a trend. There are plenty of lulls, yet the trend is up.
"Orator"
On the other hand a single day is sufficient "evidence" of AGW
to the True Believers, while a 5 year trend is discarded totally...
[hanson]
Well, the trend has long been acknowledged and been adapted
to. Whether GW or AGW is immaterial. *** GW is GOOD! ***
No CO2 fees are needed. C conservation is/will be automatic
as can be seen here. Where have you guys been....
http://www.cigarintel.com/agency/wp-content/uploads/globalwarming.jpg
**** Promote Global Warming. Enjoy being in heat! ****
ahahaha.... ahahahCHOOO!
A very "revealing" site :-)
Gesundheit
Didn't this present global warming, or interglacial period start
about 12,000 years ago?
No. 150.
Idiot! Try 20,000 years ago. The 12,000 years ago was when some land in
the Adriatic became islands! It is also about the time of the
irreversible collapse of the Laurentide ice sheet in North America
occurred, however it is not considered the "end of the ice age" (it was
at 20kybp).
The warming we're experiencing now began in the late 19th century.
So what! You have even more recent "starting to warm" event, eg end of
last winter, or even better, about 1 hour before dawn today! They are
all "justification" for running around like a headless chook, cackling
"global warming.... the sky is falling..." according to your "logic"!
"Most recent" is totally meaningless and proves bugger all!
Here is are maps of North America at 12,000 ybp:
http://geo.arizona.edu/palynology/nam_p12k.gif
http://www.esd.ornl.gov/projects/qen/NEW_MAPS/northam2.gif
It's been a long time since glaciers and
ice sheets covered all of Canada and extended on down over the
upper part of the US.
It's also been a long time since they started retreating like they're doing
now.
Yes 20 K years ago, with a blip during the Little Ice age that was at
nearly at an end, a time you use as one reference point for your
preaching of AGW!
I use when the current warming started.
So was that 1 hr before dawn today? If not, is that not proof you lie
deliberately!
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| User: "Retief" |
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06 Nov 2006 01:23:31 AM |
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On Fri, 03 Nov 06 08:28:22 GMT, (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:
The warming we're experiencing now began in the late 19th century.
Actually Lloyd, according to the IPCC curves, it's closer to 1920
(i.e. early 20th century).
But isn't that curious... According to NASA/GISS, there was an
increase in incoming solar flux about that time as well:
http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/shindell_03/fig2.gif
Retief
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| User: "Bruce Sinclair" |
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06 Nov 2006 06:08:34 PM |
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In article <lgotk2plnsogpe15pmjqj0ng41m1d7g60b@4ax.com>, Retief <nospam@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 03 Nov 06 08:28:22 GMT, (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:
The warming we're experiencing now began in the late 19th century.
Actually Lloyd, according to the IPCC curves, it's closer to 1920
(i.e. early 20th century).
But isn't that curious... According to NASA/GISS, there was an
increase in incoming solar flux about that time as well:
http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/shindell_03/fig2.gif
Surely whatever the cause, the effects are becoming predictable ? The Stern
report seems to take a pretty logical view at the area as it stands now.
Whatever the cause, should we not try to mitigate some of the effects ?
Remember, the planet will not die. Many of us might. We have a choice ... at
the moment. :)
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| User: "Oralator" |
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| Title: Re: Global-warming denyers getting jaws cracked by brass knucles for telling lies. |
02 Nov 2006 06:50:48 PM |
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Orator <Orator@trolls.bridge.net> wrote in
news:nlv2h.57718$rP1.53019@news-server.bigpond.net.au:
Yes 20 K years ago, with a blip during the Little Ice age that was at
nearly at an end, a time you use as one reference point for your
preaching of AGW!
Was that the itty-bitty ice age where the glaciers were the size of hail,
or was that the teeny-weenie ice age where the ice sheet covered the
entire windshield in the frosty winter mornings? Just how did North
Americans grow crops with those mile-tall icesheets during the
hyper-miniscule-ice-age? I guess that's why humans died out in Europe
during the 1700s?
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