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George Hammond wrote:

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georgehammond@hotmail.com wrote:

georgehammond@hotmail.com wrote:

Stew Dean wrote:

[Hammond]
"The world (Universe=world=reality) DID NOT
AND COULD NOT *"EXIST"* until modern
man appeared. And the REASON for this is
that the word "existence" IS IN FACT a
perceptual manifestation (function, faculty) of
the human brain itself. No brains.. no
"existence"; of ANYTHING!

[Stew Dean]
The world objectively existed before we existed.
Stew Dean

[Hammond]
Your statement proves that you are an IMBECILE.
You don't even know the meaning of the word "exists":

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Meaning of the word "exists"

The word "exists" means and only means
that something is "detectable, observable
or knowable to a human being". Thus, if
there are no human beings, nothing can be
said to "exist".
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[Stew Dean]
Even by you definition I am right because through
observation we can
see the world existed prior to our apperance.
That's the point dumbwit.

[Hammond]
NO... IMBECILE... that's only "retrospective existence".
I.e "through observation" we can confirm NOW that
"a million year history 'came into existence" when we
appeared 100k years ago".....

George - your brain really is fried.

Think about what you're saying. You are saying things came into
existance 100k years ago. You are also saying that things prior to
that in time came into existance at that time. That's completely non
sensical.

[Hammond]
No... it makes absolutely perfect scientific sense.

[Stew Dean]
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Explain how it does. I personly can't see how you can. Either
something existed or it didnt. What happens now doesn't alter if
something existed or not, it just changes if we are aware of it
existing or not. Objective reality has nothing to do with if we are
aware of someting.
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[Hammond]
Stew... in all seriousness buddy... this is PRECISELY why you
"can't understand what God is" and haven't a clue as to
"what religion is". Bear in mind only the top 10 percentile
of the world DOES UNDERSTAND IT... and you are simply
NOT in that top 10 percentile. It's not because you are
stupid... it's just because you have never had a "need to know"
what God is... however, as history shows us, there is a
top 10 percentile of the world who HAS had a "need to know".
Now.... IF you've suddenly decided that you have a "need to
know".. I'm here to tell you about it.... if not... take a hike.
Stew.... in the firt place religious people are FULLY AWARE
of the trickiness and "psychological nature" (PERCEPTUAL
NATURE) of this controversey... and they KNOW EXACTLY
what it is that you (and the scientists) don't REALIZE, and that
is this:

THE "SOPHISTICATED NATURE"
OF RELIGION
(being a gratuitious, appologetic and
self effacing confession to scientists)

The entire "sine qua non" of "religion"
is a "tricky perceptual argument" based
on the technical nature of what we call
"reality". Scientists simply "take it for
granted" that an observer is necessary
to observe the "observables" of Physics.
To them, the fact that there WERE NO
OBSERVERS 100,000 years ago is an
"irrelevant triviality" since everything
they state about the universe prior to
100k yrs. ago is prefaced by an implicit
"if there was an observer... he would have
seen... such and such". They never in
there wildest dreams ever considered that
it would make any "practical difference"
that there were no "actual observers"
alive prior to 100k BC.
UNBEKNOWNST TO THEM,
there does happen to be a massive
universal biological phenomena which
UNEXPECTEDLY DOES make the
fact that the "observer" only came into
existence 100k yrs. ago SIGNIFICANT!
And this fact is the SECULAR TREND
in human brain growth whereby "seen
reality" is NOT IDENTICAL to "objective
reality". This phenomenon causes the
universal perceptual effect known as "GOD".
Now it is this "everyday phenomenon" that
is the ONLY thing that makes the subject
of "God" of the least relevance to anyone...
the fact that this phenomena DRASTICALLY
effects human behavior, social behavior,
and human history and progress. It is in
fact practically the world's number one
phenomenological problem!
So... in view of THAT SIGNIFICANCE,
we see that what otherwise what would only
be an obscure academic triviality (the fact that
the observer of Physics is only 100k yrs.
old).... now suddenly becomes a fact of
TREMENDOUS PRACTICAL significance,
and the fact that "reality is only 100k yrs old"
is no longer a "dry and meaningless academic
triviality"... but now becomes a "major
perceptual theory of the origin of the world
"as we know it".
In short, the story of the "Creation of Reality"
as detailed in Genesis has no "practical scientific
significance".... only stated to DRAMATIZE
the everyday "practical significance" of the
"perceptual phenomena of God".... which is
VERY REAL, VERY MEASUREABLE, VERY
SCIENTIFICALLY MEANINFUL, AND:

ABSOLUTELY OF CRUCIAL
SIGNIFICANCE TO THE
DESTINY AND SECURITY
OF THE HUMAN RACE.

Now Stew.... buddy old buddy, I HOPE that you wil take all
this to heart, and realize that while you can sit there and argue
FOREVER that such a thing doesn't exist... in point of fact
society and the human race, and the leading intellectus of
the human race NOTICED IT LONG AGO and the wold
affirms it to the extent of 5 billion adherents to organized
Religion... the most massivly supported "theory" in the
history of the world........ and now, believe it or not,
SCIENCE has even PROVED IT to two decimal point
accuracy (Hammond 2003).
So.... you have two choices... ether get serious and try
to come to grips with it.... or freeze in the headlights and
watch the locomotive run over you... it's your choice.
Try and remember, I DO HAVE A CONSTITUENCY...
they are not highly represented on the Internet but they
form a VERY LARGE SECTOR of society... David
Bowman for instance is apparently one of them. They
are not "academics" by nature (and neether am I for
that matter), nor are they particualrly "religious" (and
neither am I traditionally)... but they are practical men
of action who are highly concerned about the human
condition and the trends in society... and guess what
has recently become the focus of our attention... you
guessed it.... "God" of all things. And I can assure
you that once "my constituency" as it were... becomes
convinced that this discovery is ESSENTIAL to
world security and human progress... there is NO
STOPPING IT!!

The problem
is that you are too mentally deficient to understand it, despite
the fact that St. Augustine could understand it 1700 years ago
without even a scientific proof:

"The world was created WITH time, not IN time"
(St. Augustine ca. 300 ad)

This quote has nothing to do with your nonsensical quote. Also the
quote refers to biblical creation, nothing to do with science. So no,
St. Augustine didnt understand it - his quote does not refer to what
you are talking about,

[Hammond]
Yes it does... he was arguing with wiseguy pedants like
you 1,700 years ago.... unfortunately for you, modern
science (Hammond) has finally found the proof that
is going to either convert you... or politically silence
you forever. Take your choice... we're not here to
argue with you buddy.

Now try and explain what you mean in simple logical terms. I really
doubt youre capable of doing this. No wonder you failed at being a
professional scientist.

[Hammond]
for the upteenth time, I have answered you completely
above... like I day... we have no intention of arguing
with you.

Stew Dean

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