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User: "Jean-Paul Turcaud"
Date: 17 Jul 2005 03:35:56 AM
Object: Re: Intent of the Ancients
"Eric Stevens" <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> a écrit dans le message de news:
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I would probably run out of room before I got the heavy blocks to
their final height so at that stage I would start using a system of
levers of the kind which the Egyptians are known to have used.

Once I got the height of the pyramid to the limits of an economically
viable ramp I would switch to using a system of sheer legs to hoist
the vast number of smaller blocks up one level at a time.

For my long established views on the subject, see
<eQOaOJTqDFs2IaN+HO3mBALX6=V0@4ax.com> and
<c5bYOEMwZ8zfKBLi9kYer3SpTK60@4ax.com>



Eric Stevens

.... and what would be the purpose of it all, Eric ?
To make a tomb according to the Official tale ?
Since you are so good, how would you cut the Syenite and Basalt 70 tons
blocks, and dressed them so impeccably square & normal to each others,
than their size varies from less a 1/10th of a mm, and they fit all together
without cement. How would you that ? With a theologise ?
... and cut them through ? with bronze tools ?
How many people to achieve it ? and what was the planning in your view ? 100
years or 200 years !
How long for extraction of a single 25 tons of Dolomite( nearly local ) ,
Syenite ( coming 400 km up stream ) and 70 tons Basalt blocks ( coming from
Nubia )
As a builder, surely you can give us figures, which Archaeologists unable to
work with their 10 fingers, and no mining, nor Civil engineering experience
cann't figure out !
Your little Archaeology hairy committee's findings should be matched now
with the Geologists and Physicists ... I am sure you do not object to this ?
Thanks
--
Jean-Paul Turcaud
Exploration Geologist
Discoverer and Legal Owner of Telfer, Nifty & Kintyre Mines
The Great Sandy Desert of Australia
Founder of the True Geology
~~ Ignorance Is The Cosmic Sin, The One Never Forgiven ! ~~
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User: "stevewhittet"

Title: Re: Intent of the Ancients 17 Jul 2005 04:02:26 PM
"Jean-Paul Turcaud" <mining_pioneer@com.yahøø> wrote in message
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"Eric Stevens" <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> a écrit dans le message de news:
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I would probably run out of room before I got the heavy blocks to
their final height so at that stage I would start using a system of
levers of the kind which the Egyptians are known to have used.

Once I got the height of the pyramid to the limits of an economically
viable ramp I would switch to using a system of sheer legs to hoist
the vast number of smaller blocks up one level at a time.

For my long established views on the subject, see
<eQOaOJTqDFs2IaN+HO3mBALX6=V0@4ax.com> and
<c5bYOEMwZ8zfKBLi9kYer3SpTK60@4ax.com>



Eric Stevens


... and what would be the purpose of it all, Eric ?
To make a tomb according to the Official tale ?

To encourage other to let you fold them into your empire
and take the lead in business, religion, politics and commerce,
if helps to have some symbols of stability in your Public Buildings.
Stryutures like pyramids that involve a substantial investment on your part
reduce uncertainty as to whether you will still be around some years in the
future
and hence reduce the risk of investment on their part.

Since you are so good, how would you cut the Syenite and Basalt 70 tons
blocks, and dressed them so impeccably square & normal to each others,
than their size varies from less a 1/10th of a mm, and they fit all

together

without cement.

I think Eric already cited "Ancient Egyptian Construction and Architecture"
which does indeed answer those questions in some detail.
The present consensus is that the Granite was shaped with pounders,
sawn with abrasive saws, drilled, chiseled and generally worked by hand.
You can google all the pictures your heart desires of the tool marks.
How would you that ? With a theologise ?

... and cut them through ? with bronze tools ?

http://www.hallofmaat.com/modules.php?name=Articles&file=article&sid=58


How many people to achieve it ?

Estimates of the numbers of workers have varied but one good way
to break it down is by work site,
When Pharoahs needed stone they typically dispatched a couple of thousand
workers
to the the quarries where the stones were cut
There were also shipyards that built barges to transport the stones along
the river
Construction battalions employed to build worker housing and to supply them
with food lothing and shelter
More men were involved in obtaining wood for cribbing and scaffolds,
making and sharpening tools, designing and overseeing the work
All told a reasonable assessment is about 20,000 men laboring
for 20 years per pyramid with a total of a couple of hundred
pyramids being built over a spaan of a bout a millenia.

and what was the planning in your view ? 100
years or 200 years !

I would say the planning was probably ongoing and continuous
throughout the age of pyramids, or at a minimum through the first
couple of dozen dynasties

How long for extraction of a single 25 tons of Dolomite( nearly local ) ,
Syenite ( coming 400 km up stream ) and 70 tons Basalt blocks ( coming

from

Nubia )

Reports vary but generally a round trip took about a month

As a builder, surely you can give us figures, which Archaeologists unable

to

work with their 10 fingers, and no mining, nor Civil engineering

experience

cann't figure out !

I can give you figures, but the way I would chose to do that would be
to direct you where to find the original sources. You might have to
do some reading.

Your little Archaeology hairy committee's findings should be matched now
with the Geologists and Physicists ... I am sure you do not object to this

?
I guess it depends who you have in mind. I tend to evaluate my academics
more positively if they lack notoriety and don't have a book to sell.


Thanks


--
Jean-Paul Turcaud

welcome,
regards,
steve


Exploration Geologist
Discoverer and Legal Owner of Telfer, Nifty & Kintyre Mines
The Great Sandy Desert of Australia

Founder of the True Geology

~~ Ignorance Is The Cosmic Sin, The One Never Forgiven ! ~~



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User: "Autymn D. C."

Title: Re: Intent of the Ancients 18 Jul 2005 06:57:15 PM
a millennium
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