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Topic: Science > Physics
User: "Researcher"
Date: 04 Oct 2006 11:29:04 AM
Object: Re: Let us be positive and find solutions
Yes friends,
Thank you for the responses.
Of course it is to do with my fundamental beliefs and ideas and goes towards
proving them.
Universe could be endless and limitless as anything which tries to
physically bound an Euclidean straight line has [if it is real] to fall in
the space which otherwise could be the extension of the same 'straight line'
it is trying to limit.
And the universe could be origin-less too. Unlike mortal beings.
Now, I do understand the virtues of negative and imaginary numbers, but they
all play with respect to some real thing . Or else they all become
non-existent.
So, all these negative and imaginary numbers, or dimensions are to be
considered only in a relative way [for calculation and recasting] but never
amount to any substance.
You can't say 'x' number of [ x = pure imaginary or negative number] grams ,
second or meters about some mass,occurrence or spacial volume and be serious
about
it unless your statement is in relation to some true existence.
So, let us take the obvious case of mass.
Can you tell me what you understand by a non-positive mass.
I wonder how even Einstein got carried away into believing about 'Time
Travel'.
So, let me make my patented statement.
There is nothing called going back in time; except in one's imagination.
Researcher
"dlzc" <dlzc1@cox.net> wrote in message
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Dear donstockbauer:

donstockbauer@hotmail.com wrote:

N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) wrote:

Dear Researcher:

"Researcher" <notmy@email.com> wrote in message
news:4521cdea$0$19702$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...

Hi all,

Let me explain what I mean.

Consider this : None of the fundamental dimensions can
ever be negative.


Dimensions are an abstraction. Each degree of freedom can be
described by any real number.

Mass, Length and Time can never be negative.


Why? Because it allows *relative* measurement?

Nothing can exist with a negative mass or a sub-zero
length or be able to go back in Time.

Once this is understood and applied in all calculations
we [humans] stand to find real solutions and reach
understanding in all that is boggling us so far.


Actually no. By artificially limiting ourselves because *you*
don't like negative numbers is a step backwards.

Just look at what the imaginary numbers gave us... among
other things sin and cos. And imagnary numbers are
based on negative numbers.


Sounds like Researcher is getting at that constructivistic
methods should be adhered to and we'd avoid the
Spiellberg-level Fairyland that physics has become,
encouraging endless debate.


Researcher's point is similar to one I made long ago. If the Universe
is finite, why do we use an infinite number set to represent it? An
answer is, a tape measure is usually "longer" than the things we ask it
to measure. It still works.

As to the "Fairyland", that is where the advances in Science come
from... the bleeding edge of fantasy. Because Newton doesn't get us to
the stars. Nor does Einstein... well there was this manhole cover...
http://www.strangehorizons.com/2002/20021021/manhole.shtml

As to debate, Don nothing would stop you from debating, would it? If
we don't debate, Science becomes static... an anchor, rather than a
sail.

David A. Smith

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User: "Paul Mays Thunder News"

Title: Re: Let us be positive and find solutions 21 Dec 2006 10:58:54 AM
I have been beating the drum that the models we make of the reality
around us are not the reality itself... Many a time those that
model the physical word see the model as a real thing and will
not address what we observe when it does not follow the model
they tie their worlds too.
I have the view that physics as we know it can never model reality because
of inherent bias. I have tried to convey how intrinsic bias comes to play
in every material we use to build any device to observe and model the
universe around us. Its very hard for the human mind to conceive of
a few concepts, one is the concept of Nothing .
I have postulated many times on a simple view of the universe. The
postulate
I have proposed starts with the Singularity ( Ciaos Point, Quantum Point )
of the
BB and explains the universe to this point and even makes a few predictions,
It
says that the math of the standard model is valid, explains the Cause of the
effects
we observe as Gravity, Magnetism while not totally poking the finger in the
eyes
of those that make complex models to explain simple realities.
To consider any micro event today I contend you must come to grips with what
was
before time 0. Once you can conceive of the Quantum Point and logically
consider
how matter is converted from it as per Einstein it all becomes very simple.
For some reason most I have tried to explain too have been unable to
understand
the mental construct of the Quantum Point. They all have the mental concept
that
Matter was converted from the QP and puff we have Matter and the QP goes
away.
In all of physics you will find that only the little balls of stuff matter
and never will
it be considered that only a small portion of the energy of the QP was
converted into
matter at time 0+ . That is the part that makes the rest simple. Once you
say that
only a small portion of the energy was converted then you must address what
the
remaining energy IS... today... And since that energy connects every ball of
stuff
to every other ball of stuff it connects Us to the device to the little ball
of stuff and
injects the Bias of Us being inside the box, so to speak, and trying to
model the outside
of the box while never being able to observe that outside. This Bias causes
us to
invent the concepts of infinity and constants and do complex modeling to try
to
explain the reality of the observed universe that has many a phenomenon that
seems to not be able to be modeled...such as a cause of gravity, magnetism..
We can model
every minute detail of its effect on physical particles but can never model
the cause
in the physical construct..
Paul R. Mays
"Researcher" <notmy@email.com> wrote in message
news:4523d364$0$19712$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...

Yes friends,

Thank you for the responses.

Of course it is to do with my fundamental beliefs and ideas and goes
towards
proving them.

Universe could be endless and limitless as anything which tries to
physically bound an Euclidean straight line has [if it is real] to fall in
the space which otherwise could be the extension of the same 'straight
line'
it is trying to limit.

And the universe could be origin-less too. Unlike mortal beings.

Now, I do understand the virtues of negative and imaginary numbers, but
they
all play with respect to some real thing . Or else they all become
non-existent.

So, all these negative and imaginary numbers, or dimensions are to be
considered only in a relative way [for calculation and recasting] but
never
amount to any substance.

You can't say 'x' number of [ x = pure imaginary or negative number] grams
,
second or meters about some mass,occurrence or spacial volume and be
serious
about
it unless your statement is in relation to some true existence.

So, let us take the obvious case of mass.

Can you tell me what you understand by a non-positive mass.

I wonder how even Einstein got carried away into believing about 'Time
Travel'.

So, let me make my patented statement.

There is nothing called going back in time; except in one's imagination.

Researcher

"dlzc" <dlzc1@cox.net> wrote in message
news:1159885113.637120.12390@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...

Dear donstockbauer:

donstockbauer@hotmail.com wrote:

N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) wrote:

Dear Researcher:

"Researcher" <notmy@email.com> wrote in message
news:4521cdea$0$19702$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...

Hi all,

Let me explain what I mean.

Consider this : None of the fundamental dimensions can
ever be negative.


Dimensions are an abstraction. Each degree of freedom can be
described by any real number.

Mass, Length and Time can never be negative.


Why? Because it allows *relative* measurement?

Nothing can exist with a negative mass or a sub-zero
length or be able to go back in Time.

Once this is understood and applied in all calculations
we [humans] stand to find real solutions and reach
understanding in all that is boggling us so far.


Actually no. By artificially limiting ourselves because *you*
don't like negative numbers is a step backwards.

Just look at what the imaginary numbers gave us... among
other things sin and cos. And imagnary numbers are
based on negative numbers.


Sounds like Researcher is getting at that constructivistic
methods should be adhered to and we'd avoid the
Spiellberg-level Fairyland that physics has become,
encouraging endless debate.


Researcher's point is similar to one I made long ago. If the Universe
is finite, why do we use an infinite number set to represent it? An
answer is, a tape measure is usually "longer" than the things we ask it
to measure. It still works.

As to the "Fairyland", that is where the advances in Science come
from... the bleeding edge of fantasy. Because Newton doesn't get us to
the stars. Nor does Einstein... well there was this manhole cover...
http://www.strangehorizons.com/2002/20021021/manhole.shtml

As to debate, Don nothing would stop you from debating, would it? If
we don't debate, Science becomes static... an anchor, rather than a
sail.

David A. Smith






--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

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