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16 Oct 2005 06:09:28 PM |
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Re: "Lost" Question (not off topic!) |
On 16 Oct 2005, wrote:
This was posted over on alt.tv.lost
Not being an astronomer I have no clue how accurate this info is.
So I thoiught I'd check with the experts:
"There are six constellations of Apollo (which is the name of the candy bar
in the station food supply)
1. Cygnus = swan
2. Sagitta = arrow
3. Corvus = crow
4. Crater = goblet
5. Ophiuchus = serpent handler
6. Orion = the hunter "
I did a Google search but couldn't find anything to verify there are
"six constellations of Apollo" I guess referring to myths where Apolo
created certain constellations?
So anyway...what's the story?
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Good question, drawing contrast between mythology vs. astronomy.
The positions of mythically-named constellations visible across
the Earth's caelestial zodiac don't necessarily jibe with their
ancient mythical folklore. The question you're asking is mixing
the names of mythical gods & heroes with stellar constellations
for which the latter have been commonly named over centures and
millennia. As you see, these form two rather distinct questions...
A lot depends on what particular myth you're talking about. For
example, Cygnus/Cycnus (Gk. Kyknos), literally "the swan" shows
several distinct variations from extant classic literature, but
is generally deemed to be a "son of Apollo":
http://www.pantheon.org/articles/c/cycnus.html
http://www.coldwater.k12.mi.us/lms/planetarium/myth/cygnus.html
http://www.greekmythology.com/
Realize, when you're talking about the classic ancient mythology
regarding the heavens, remember that Aldebaran 15 degrees Taurus,
Regulus 5 degrees Leo, and other prominent marking stars, marked
what are called "fiducial" stars, meaning relatively-fixed stars
used to measure the positions of the planets in motion as viewed
from the Earth. To truly understand the ancients, you must THINK
like the ancients did, revering the Gods as Xians revere Jehovah.
Using Aldebaran as our prime fiducial (not the vernal equinoctial
point as modern astronomers do) the following list refers to the
J2000 positions of brighter stars listed in the aforecited large
asterisms/"constellations" by their I.A.U. designations, to wit:
Cygnus (Cygni)
Deneb :265.5284509 10Aqu31'42" +59:54'37" alCyg 1.25
Albireo :231.4493342 06Cap26'58" +48:58'09" be-1Cyg 3.24
Sadr :255.0397524 00Aqu02'23" +57:07'40" gaCyg 2.20
Gienah Cyg:257.9454082 02Aqu56'43" +49:25'32" epCyg 2.46
:263.2423981 08Aqu14'33" +43:41'52" zeCyg 3.20
:243.1254751 18Cap07'32" +54:16'37" etCyg 3.89
:248.8306964 23Cap49'51" +69:37'26" thCyg 4.48
:248.1599642 23Cap09'36" +71:27'16" io-2Cyg 3.79
:245.1069223 20Cap06'25" +73:48'20" kaCyg 3.77
:266.3395988 11Aqu20'23" +54:54'59" nuCyg 3.94
:271.0001584 16Aqu00'01" +56:35'10" xiCyg 3.72
Azelfafage:288.4800298 03Pis28'48" +58:52'50" pi-1Cyg 4.67
:287.3864119 02Pis23'11" +56:56'27" pi-2Cyg 4.23
:280.3415501 25Aqu20'30" +55:11'27" rhCyg 4.02
:270.5489802 15Aqu32'56" +51:29'46" siCyg 4.23
:267.4589156 12Aqu27'32" +47:28'07" upCyg 4.43
Ruchbah :266.2137476 11Aqu12'49" +64:02'50"ome-1Cyg 4.95
Ruchbah :266.9463571 11Aqu56'47" +64:09'23"ome-2Cyg 5.44
:267.1577011 12Aqu09'28" +51:53'55" 61Cyg 5.21
Sagitta (Sagittae)
Sham :231.2702530 06Cap16'13" +38:47'37" alSge 4.37
:231.4049392 06Cap24'18" +38:13'10" beSge 4.37
:237.2427873 12Cap14'34" +39:11'31" gaSge 3.47
:233.5862066 08Cap35'10" +38:54'51" deSge 3.82
Corvus (Corvi)
Alchiba :122.4500913 17Vir27'00" -21:44'49" alCrv 4.02
Kraz :127.5730353 22Vir34'23" -18:02'34" beCrv 2.65
Gienah :120.9314121 15Vir55'53" -14:29'58" gaCrv 2.59
Algorab :123.6572540 18Vir39'26" -12:11'42" deCrv 2.95
Minkar :121.8710824 16Vir52'16" -19:40'18" epCrv 3.00
Crater (Crateris)
Alkes :103.8971046 28Leo53'50" -22:42'51" alCrt 4.08
Alsharasif:108.7618241 03Vir45'43" -25:38'07" beCrt 4.48
:109.4410801 04Vir26'28" -19:39'53" gaCrt 4.08
Labrum :106.8942630 01Vir53'39" -17:34'15" deCrt 3.56
:116.3038389 11Vir18'14" -16:05'21" etCrt 5.18
:108.7983869 03Vir47'54" -11:18'10" thCrt 4.70
:114.2761307 09Vir16'34" -18:17'41" zeCrt 4.73
Ophiuchus (Ophiuchi)
Rasalhague:192.6476927 27Sco38'52" +35:50'03" alOph 2.08
Kelb Alrai:195.5362599 00Sag32'11" +27:56'20" beOph 2.77
:196.8321186 01Sag49'56" +26:06'38" gaOph 3.75
Yed Prior :172.5032063 07Sco30'12" +17:14'25" deOph 2.74
Yed Poster:173.7110630 08Sco42'40" +16:26'19" epOph 3.24
Han :179.4299801 14Sco25'48" +11:23'27" zeOph 2.56
Sabik :188.1699955 23Sco10'12" + 7:11'51" etOph 2.43
:191.5952204 26Sco35'43" - 1:50'36" thOph 3.27
:180.8437710 15Sco50'38" +32:30'04" ioOph 4.38
:182.0213403 17Sco01'17" +31:50'05" kaOph 3.20
Marfik :175.8567993 10Sco51'24" +23:12'43" laOph 2.00
Sinistra :199.9531739 04Sag57'11" +13:39'55" nuOph 3.34
:190.7943219 25Sco47'40" +27:18'21" siOph 4.34
Barnard's :199.5825217 04Sag34'57" +28:06'21"V799-Oph 9.54
Orion (Orionis)
Betelgeuse:018.9663311 03Gem57'59" -16:01'38" alOri 0.50
Rigel :007.0415877 22Tau02'30" -31:07'26" beOri 0.12
Bellatrix :011.1579599 26Tau09'29" -16:49'00" gaOri 1.64
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Mintaka :012.6082679 27Tau36'30" -22:57'23" deOri 2.23\
Alnilam :013.6755368 28Tau40'32" -24:30'26" epOri 1.70 Pyramid stars
*Alnitak :014.8932789 29Tau53'36" -25:17'38" zeOri 1.74/
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Hatsya :013.2096420 28Tau12'35" -29:12'03" ioOri 2.76
Saiph :016.6111444 01Gem36'40" -33:04'17" kaOri 2.06
Heka :013.9189632 28Tau55'08" -13:22'11" laOri 3.66
:022.0631762 07Gem03'47" - 8:39'32" nuOri 4.42
:003.7033542 18Tau42'12" - 8:13'40"omi-1Ori 4.74
Tabit :002.1358105 17Tau08'09" -15:23'06" pi-3Ori 3.19
TabitII :002.3119557 17Tau18'43" -16:46'22" pi-4Ori 3.69
:002.7020307 17Tau42'07" -20:00'22" pi-5Ori 3.72
:008.0591798 23Tau03'33" -29:50'20" taOri 3.60
Thabit :012.1236847 27Tau07'25" -30:32'42" upOri 4.62
:013.8176039 28Tau49'03" -13:48'38" ph-1Ori 4.41
As we see, Cygnus stretches from Capricorn into Pisces, but is
predominantly in Aquarius i.e. the caelestial sign co-ruled by
Ouranos(Uranus) and Kronos(Saturn). And while classical myths
are rife concerning the oft-contentious relationships between
the major (namely, ten) Gods of the pantheion, as with Saturn
vs. Apollo, for example; Cygnus, who is a lesser son of Apollo
by myth, is not "of Apollo" by Cygnus' constellational-position.
To be "of Apollo" in that narrow regard would find Cygnus in Leo,
which is to say "ruled by Apollo/Helios/Sun" in the constellations.
So if you re-word your question to ask of those six aforecited
minor god/myths are of Apollo, and simply omit "constellations"
from your question, you'll find the answers you're looking for
more readily. Otherwise, the zodiac determines who is "of whom".
And for the record, if stellar constellations also interest you,
you can download accurate positions for all constellations here:
*The 12 Zodiacal Constellations On Earth's Caelestial Sphere (J2000):
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=9GZHKUQI37618.7441550926@Gilgamesh-frog.org
*The 88 I.A.U. "constellations" On Earth's Caelestial Sphere (J2000):
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=QLI405TN37618.7441203704@Gilgamesh-frog.org
*Primer for observing planetary orbits (with step-by-step examples):
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=CLKT217O38091.8202430556@Gilgamesh-Frog.org
Enjoy!
Daniel Joseph Min
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x2B1CCFE7
*Download Min's Banned (Freeware) Books:
http://www.2hot2cool.com/11/danieljosephmin/
*Min's Google-Archived Home Page On The WWW:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=XJBDEJF138262.9022453704@anonymous.poster
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| User: "benlizross" |
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| Title: Re: "Lost" Question (not off topic!) |
17 Oct 2005 01:25:29 AM |
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Anonymous wrote:
[Yes off topic for sci.arch
*****, Min]
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| User: "Anonymous" |
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| Title: Re: "Lost" Question (not off topic!) |
17 Oct 2005 02:56:46 AM |
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On 16 Oct 2005, "PuddinTame" <Puddin_Tame@msn.com> wrote:
Nomen Nescio said.. a LOT!
wow..it will take me a while to digest all that
thanks a lot!!!!
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I'm humbled, reading two kind & civilized replies in a row;
thanks to you, PuddinTame (originator of this thread), and
C Denver (incidently I live not too far from Denver, in the
central mountains of Colorado very near to the Continental
Divide, just 12.5 miles east of it...Winter's a comin'...).
Indeed, astronomy, astrology, mythology, tarot, scriptures,
ghosts, reincarnation etc, and the occult/hidden in general,
are very interesting and helpful realities to as many of us
who study them, practice them--and eventually, master them.
Godspeed,
Daniel Joseph Min
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x2B1CCFE7
*Download Min's Banned (Freeware) Books:
http://www.2hot2cool.com/11/danieljosephmin/
*Min's Google-Archived Home Page On The WWW:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=XJBDEJF138262.9022453704@anonymous.poster
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| User: "benlizross" |
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| Title: Re: "Lost" Question (not off topic!) |
17 Oct 2005 04:13:55 AM |
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Anonymous wrote:
*****, Min.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: "Lost" Question (not off topic!) |
17 Oct 2005 04:25:05 AM |
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One wonders why people make posts like this. Surely the future will
have ways of detecting such drivel and removing it. Thus it's
isomorphic to digging a hole and filling it back in. But then, isn't
all of human existence?
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