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Re: Much Proof - Celts Discovered America Before Vikings. |
"Wiktor S." <wswiktor@poczta.fmv> wrote in message news:<bo3pku$pb$1@flis.man.torun.pl>...
They didnt include the Scandaei and Fenni(about which Ptolemy knew
2000 years ago) either, after who Scandinavia and Finland are named.
The Hiberni in Iceland were probably too remote for the writer.
I also believe there was a Celtic group in Libya and Egypt, according
to ancient sources. Ptolemy and Cleopatra were Celts too (see my proof
on Alexander the Great being a Celt).
And what about Qin? Was he a Celt too?
You are referring to the Chinese emperor. This is interesting. I know
that there was a group in western China, called Tocharians, who shared
some similarities with the Celts (such as wearing the kilt, just like
the Hittites too). Even today, there are Tocharian names for rivers in
that part, Mongolia and Central Siberia. Examples are Uda, Ider (Like
Oder river in Poland), Dzabhain (abhain is water in Celtic), Ubsi etc.
However, it is not well known that the following were celts too:
Galen, father of medicine.
Homer, whose real name is Kimer which means he is a Cimmerian Celt.
Alexander the Great, a Phrygian (NOT Greek)
Spartacus, also a Phrygian
There are famous scientists too, without who there would be no
Einstein:
Galileo.
Michael Faraday, who made all the important discoveries about
electromagnetism.
James Maxwell, who put Faradays theories in mathematical form.
Their theories led directly to modern technology like elecronics and
optics.
Other famous people are:
Napoleon.
Stalin.
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05 Nov 2003 02:10:51 PM |
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"Harold" <johansmithy@planetaccess.com> wrote in message
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"Wiktor S." <wswiktor@poczta.fmv> wrote in message
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They didnt include the Scandaei and Fenni(about which Ptolemy knew
2000 years ago) either, after who Scandinavia and Finland are named.
The Hiberni in Iceland were probably too remote for the writer.
I also believe there was a Celtic group in Libya and Egypt, according
to ancient sources. Ptolemy and Cleopatra were Celts too (see my proof
on Alexander the Great being a Celt).
And what about Qin? Was he a Celt too?
You are referring to the Chinese emperor. This is interesting. I know
that there was a group in western China, called Tocharians, who shared
some similarities with the Celts (such as wearing the kilt, just like
the Hittites too). Even today, there are Tocharian names for rivers in
that part, Mongolia and Central Siberia. Examples are Uda, Ider (Like
Oder river in Poland), Dzabhain (abhain is water in Celtic), Ubsi etc.
However, it is not well known that the following were celts too:
It's so poorly known that only one person knows it.
Galen, father of medicine.
Homer, whose real name is Kimer which means he is a Cimmerian Celt.
Even if that is his real name (source?), it "means" that in the same way
that Britney Spears' name "means" that she's from Brittany.
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| User: "Brian M. Scott" |
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05 Nov 2003 06:31:47 PM |
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On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 15:10:51 -0500, "Harlan Messinger"
<h.messinger@comcast.net> wrote:
"Harold" <johansmithy@planetaccess.com> wrote in message
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Homer, whose real name is Kimer which means he is a Cimmerian Celt.
Even if that is his real name (source?), it "means" that in the same way
that Britney Spears' name "means" that she's from Brittany.
Or that she got the shaft.
Brian
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| User: "Panu H?glund" |
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01 Dec 2003 01:21:02 AM |
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(Harold) wrote in message news:<f22f0289.0311050947.14472ec3@posting.google.com>...
I know
that there was a group in western China, called Tocharians, who shared
some similarities with the Celts (such as wearing the kilt,
You poor misguided creature! Wearing a kilt is a recent invention in
Scotland. In the antiquity, Gauls wore trousers. Romans distinguished
between "Gallia togata", Toga-wearing Gauls, i.e. Romanised Gauls -
from the Roman point of view, "civilised", because they had already
learnt to wear tunica and toga, as Romans did - and "Gallia brocata",
Trouser-wearing Gauls - still clinging to their ancient, un-Roman,
"uncivilised" (as a Roman would think), Celtic custom of wearing
trousers.
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| User: "Tall Sword" |
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06 Dec 2003 09:11:49 AM |
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"Panu H?glund" <phoglund@abo.fi> wrote in message
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johansmithy@planetaccess.com (Harold) wrote in message
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You poor misguided creature! Wearing a kilt is a recent invention in
Scotland.
WRONG WRONG WRONG, brimming over with wrongablilty. The great kilt is a
very old garment, the little or modern kilt is a modern invention.
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| User: "Mark Fergerson" |
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06 Nov 2003 12:58:29 AM |
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Harold wrote:
"Wiktor S." <wswiktor@poczta.fmv> wrote in message news:<bo3pku$pb$1@flis.man.torun.pl>...
They didnt include the Scandaei and Fenni(about which Ptolemy knew
2000 years ago) either, after who Scandinavia and Finland are named.
The Hiberni in Iceland were probably too remote for the writer.
I also believe there was a Celtic group in Libya and Egypt, according
to ancient sources. Ptolemy and Cleopatra were Celts too (see my proof
on Alexander the Great being a Celt).
Speaking of the Middle East, anybody else note the Celtic
runes on (the recently found) Sheba's palace?
And what about Qin? Was he a Celt too?
You are referring to the Chinese emperor. This is interesting. I know
that there was a group in western China, called Tocharians, who shared
some similarities with the Celts (such as wearing the kilt, just like
the Hittites too). Even today, there are Tocharian names for rivers in
that part, Mongolia and Central Siberia. Examples are Uda, Ider (Like
Oder river in Poland), Dzabhain (abhain is water in Celtic), Ubsi etc.
Well now. We know roughly where the Celts migrated and
when, and can trace much of their travels; frinst Portugal
meant "port of the Gaels" in early Roman times, and both
Portugal and Spain have fairly old traditional music
involving bagpipes (of all things!), so apparently somebody
who later got called "Celts" left some footprints. But
claiming they started in China and wound up in Britain is
asking a bit much IMNSHO. "Wearing kilts" means little,
since the aprons ancient Egyptians could be called kilts as
well. Oh, wait; he claimed Kleopatra and Ptolemy. Seems to
me the Romans would have noticed.
However, it is not well known that the following were celts too:
Galen, father of medicine.
Homer, whose real name is Kimer which means he is a Cimmerian Celt.
Alexander the Great, a Phrygian (NOT Greek)
Spartacus, also a Phrygian
Evidence?
There are famous scientists too, without who there would be no
Einstein:
Galileo.
Michael Faraday, who made all the important discoveries about
electromagnetism.
James Maxwell, who put Faradays theories in mathematical form.
Evidence?
Their theories led directly to modern technology like elecronics and
optics.
Other famous people are:
Napoleon.
Stalin.
Evidence?
Mark L. Fergerson
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| User: "Harold" |
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08 Nov 2003 10:04:47 AM |
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Mark Fergerson <nunya@biz.ness> wrote in message news:<3FA9F115.4070303@biz.ness>...
Harold wrote:
"Wiktor S." <wswiktor@poczta.fmv> wrote in message news:<bo3pku$pb$1@flis.man.torun.pl>...
And what about Qin? Was he a Celt too?
You are referring to the Chinese emperor. This is interesting. I know
that there was a group in western China, called Tocharians, who shared
some similarities with the Celts (such as wearing the kilt, just like
the Hittites too). Even today, there are Tocharian names for rivers in
that part, Mongolia and Central Siberia. Examples are Uda, Ider (Like
Oder river in Poland), Dzabhain (abhain is water in Celtic), Ubsi etc.
However, it is not well known that the following were celts too:
Galen, father of medicine.
Homer, whose real name is Kimer which means he is a Cimmerian Celt.
Alexander the Great, a Phrygian (NOT Greek)
Spartacus, also a Phrygian
The Greeks know that they are descendants of the Pelagosi, which is
just a Greek
word for Sea People, the discoverers of America over 2000 years ago.
The Sea People they are referring to are mainly Celts. Most of the
major placenames in Greece, as I showed before, are of Celtic origin.
Here are some of their Celtic meanings:
Peloponnesia-"a bridged island thrust into the sea", a very
descriptive.
Ellas-Gallas, the name for Greece.
Ipiros-"horse kingdom". Greek word for horse is Celtic.
Corinth-"horn shaped land"
Makedonia-"large river"
Evidence?
There are famous scientists too, without who there would be no
Einstein:
Galileo.
Michael Faraday, who made all the important discoveries about
electromagnetism.
James Maxwell, who put Faradays theories in mathematical form.
Evidence?
Their theories led directly to modern technology like elecronics and
optics.
Other famous people are:
Napoleon.
Stalin.
Evidence?
Mark L. Fergerson
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| User: "Harold" |
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06 Nov 2003 11:20:28 AM |
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Mark Fergerson <nunya@biz.ness> wrote in message news:<3FA9F115.4070303@biz.ness>...
Harold wrote:
"Wiktor S." <wswiktor@poczta.fmv> wrote in message news:<bo3pku$pb$1@flis.man.torun.pl>...
And what about Qin? Was he a Celt too?
You are referring to the Chinese emperor. This is interesting. I know
that there was a group in western China, called Tocharians, who shared
some similarities with the Celts (such as wearing the kilt, just like
the Hittites too). Even today, there are Tocharian names for rivers in
that part, Mongolia and Central Siberia. Examples are Uda, Ider (Like
Oder river in Poland), Dzabhain (abhain is water in Celtic), Ubsi etc.
Well now. We know roughly where the Celts migrated and
when,
No I dont htink you do. If you read some of my posts, you will find
out. They came from Anatolia, not the Alps, as part of the
Hittite-Hurrian group. From there two main groups, the Phrygians by
land and the De Danaan by sea, populated all of Europe beginning
around 3000 BC.
It seems other people of the Anayolian group went east.
"Wearing kilts" means little,
since the aprons ancient Egyptians could be called kilts as
well.
The kilts had a check pattern and the dead were buried with horns in
the Celtic mode. There are other similarities too, such as the river
and placenames which I wrote about.
However, it is not well known that the following were celts too:
Galen, father of medicine.
Homer, whose real name is Kimer which means he is a Cimmerian Celt.
Alexander the Great, a Phrygian (NOT Greek)
Spartacus, also a Phrygian
Evidence?
Just read my previous posts, I have explained much of this already.
Ancient Greek writers said they were descendants of the Pelagosi,
which means the Sea People of the De Danaan group. They had a celtic
origin. The Cimmerians were populating the entire Black sea area,
naming Crimea after them.
Alexander wore a horned helmet and was considered a barbarian by
Greeks. They spoke a non-Greek tongue. Spartacus was a Phrygian
(Thracian type).
There are famous scientists too, without who there would be no
Einstein:
Galileo.
Michael Faraday, who made all the important discoveries about
electromagnetism.
James Maxwell, who put Faradays theories in mathematical form.
Evidence?
Galileos last name was Galilei, if you still doubt it. He came from an
area that was celtic for many millenia.
Maxwell is a Celtic name.
Faraday was a Celt too who revolutionised the way scientists think.
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| User: "Harlan Messinger" |
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08 Nov 2003 01:53:03 PM |
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(Harold) wrote:
Mark Fergerson <nunya@biz.ness> wrote in message news:<3FA9F115.4070303@biz.ness>...
Harold wrote:
"Wiktor S." <wswiktor@poczta.fmv> wrote in message news:<bo3pku$pb$1@flis.man.torun.pl>...
And what about Qin? Was he a Celt too?
You are referring to the Chinese emperor. This is interesting. I know
that there was a group in western China, called Tocharians, who shared
some similarities with the Celts (such as wearing the kilt, just like
the Hittites too). Even today, there are Tocharian names for rivers in
that part, Mongolia and Central Siberia. Examples are Uda, Ider (Like
Oder river in Poland), Dzabhain (abhain is water in Celtic), Ubsi etc.
Well now. We know roughly where the Celts migrated and
when,
No I dont htink you do. If you read some of my posts, you will find
out.
It would be refreshing if, for once, in your responses of the form,
"if you read XXX, you will find out ...", XXX was something other than
"Harold". Surely, if your claims are true, then there is at LEAST one
other place where one can learn them other than from The Wisdom of
Harold as published here on sci.lang. Even just one other reference
would give everyone some confidence, if not in your correctness, then
in the possibility that you aren't making all this up by yourself.
--
Harlan Messinger
Remove the first dot from my e-mail address.
Veuillez ๔ter le premier point de mon adresse de courriel.
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| User: "ZZBunker" |
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08 Nov 2003 04:32:30 PM |
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Harlan Messinger <h.messinger@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<18iqqvokok0eceo4rvj0hm69n9hmgbcc12@4ax.com>...
johansmithy@planetaccess.com (Harold) wrote:
Mark Fergerson <nunya@biz.ness> wrote in message news:<3FA9F115.4070303@biz.ness>...
Harold wrote:
"Wiktor S." <wswiktor@poczta.fmv> wrote in message news:<bo3pku$pb$1@flis.man.torun.pl>...
And what about Qin? Was he a Celt too?
You are referring to the Chinese emperor. This is interesting. I know
that there was a group in western China, called Tocharians, who shared
some similarities with the Celts (such as wearing the kilt, just like
the Hittites too). Even today, there are Tocharian names for rivers in
that part, Mongolia and Central Siberia. Examples are Uda, Ider (Like
Oder river in Poland), Dzabhain (abhain is water in Celtic), Ubsi etc.
Well now. We know roughly where the Celts migrated and
when,
No I dont htink you do. If you read some of my posts, you will find
out.
It would be refreshing if, for once, in your responses of the form,
"if you read XXX, you will find out ...", XXX was something other than
"Harold". Surely, if your claims are true, then there is at LEAST one
other place where one can learn them other than from The Wisdom of
Harold as published here on sci.lang. Even just one other reference
would give everyone some confidence, if not in your correctness, then
in the possibility that you aren't making all this up by yourself.
You don't much proof, since Vikings did
exactly the same thing that most Druids from Europe do.
They discovered Canada, not America.
Which is why most real Irishmen are always writing letters
to both Dublin and Londonderry, to the effect:
Say hello to the Queen Gents, since both
Green Beer and Patty's Day were invented
in New York. And the color of Irish *Priests*
is Green. Since the color of Irish Catholics
is same color it's always been, which is black.
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| User: "Harold" |
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26 Nov 2003 01:30:49 PM |
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Nik <another@one.bites.the.dust> wrote in message news:<rr6qrv4uukj9lpgjdhvres7e4utahej9ka@4ax.com>...
On 18 Nov 2003 13:07:20 -0800, (Harold)
wrote:
Harlan. Further evidence indicates the following about the Celts:
They were primarily responsible for the Industrial Revolution. This is
completely unexpected. No Celts, No Industrial Revolution.
They made Einsteins Theory of Relativity possible. No Celts, No
Relativity.
They introduced Mining and Mass Production to Europe. No Celts, No
Europe.
Etc, etc.
You're either mad or a really weird troll. "No Celts, No
Relativity." Einstein was Yiddish....
Einsteins theories were base solidly on the work of Faraday and
Maxwell before him. As a Ph.D in Physics, you should know this. They
were also Celts, as you know.
The entire work on relativity, electromagnetism, and optics which
enabled Einstein to pursue his work began with Faraday. He connected
important phenomena and unified them. More importantly, he looked at
nature in terms of patinteracting patterns, something which physicits
even today are unable to do. Einstein also looked at nature in terms
of patterns, and his vision of space-time is pattern based. He also
wrote that the laws of physics must be unified and this is the still
unsuccessful attempt physicists are trying to achieve. Till the end of
his life, Einstein tried to do this. They were his last written and
spoken words.
Faraday laid the groundwork for Einsteins works and Maxwell continued
Faradays work and gave it great mathematical power. Einstein always
had problems with this and is one reason he was so unsuccessful.
Maxwell would have discovered relativity if he had not died at 40
years.
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| User: "Panu H?glund" |
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02 Dec 2003 02:20:00 AM |
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(Harold) wrote in message news:<f22f0289.0311261130.18006c21@posting.google.com>...
Einsteins theories were base solidly on the work of Faraday and
Maxwell before him. As a Ph.D in Physics, you should know this. They
were also Celts, as you know.
My dear little boy, Faraday and Maxwell were not Celts by any
reasonable definition. They were native speakers of English and rooted
in the English-speaking culture of England. One of them belonged to
some religious sect of very Anglo-Saxon origins.
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| User: "Tall Sword" |
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06 Dec 2003 09:04:29 AM |
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"Panu H?glund" <phoglund@abo.fi> wrote in message
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johansmithy@planetaccess.com (Harold) wrote in message
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My dear little boy, Faraday and Maxwell were not Celts by any
reasonable definition. They were native speakers of English and rooted
in the English-speaking culture of England. One of them belonged to
some religious sect of very Anglo-Saxon origins.
Maxwell is a Scottish name, albeit possibly an English one as well. The
funny thing in the US Jones is seen as an English name, in England it is
seen as Welsh exclusively.
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| User: "Paul R. Mays" |
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06 Dec 2003 01:17:39 PM |
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"Tall Sword" <tall_sword@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Panu H?glund" <phoglund@abo.fi> wrote in message
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johansmithy@planetaccess.com (Harold) wrote in message
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My dear little boy, Faraday and Maxwell were not Celts by any
reasonable definition. They were native speakers of English and rooted
in the English-speaking culture of England. One of them belonged to
some religious sect of very Anglo-Saxon origins.
Maxwell is a Scottish name, albeit possibly an English one as well. The
funny thing in the US Jones is seen as an English name, in England it is
seen as Welsh exclusively.
In Detroit its considered Ebonics... as in " Yo.. Yous Jones'in ain't ya"
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| User: "OKiwi" |
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02 Dec 2003 06:14:12 AM |
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On 26 Nov 2003 11:30:49 -0800, (Harold)
wrote:
Nik <another@one.bites.the.dust> wrote in message news:<rr6qrv4uukj9lpgjdhvres7e4utahej9ka@4ax.com>...
On 18 Nov 2003 13:07:20 -0800, (Harold)
wrote:
Harlan. Further evidence indicates the following about the Celts:
They were primarily responsible for the Industrial Revolution. This is
completely unexpected. No Celts, No Industrial Revolution.
They made Einsteins Theory of Relativity possible. No Celts, No
Relativity.
They introduced Mining and Mass Production to Europe. No Celts, No
Europe.
Etc, etc.
You're either mad or a really weird troll. "No Celts, No
Relativity." Einstein was Yiddish....
Einsteins theories were base solidly on the work of Faraday and
Maxwell before him. As a Ph.D in Physics, you should know this. They
were also Celts, as you know.
<raucous laughter>
The entire work on relativity, electromagnetism, and optics which
enabled Einstein to pursue his work began with Faraday. He connected
important phenomena and unified them. More importantly, he looked at
nature in terms of patinteracting patterns, something which physicits
even today are unable to do.
Being the student of Physics that I am and not being familiar with
this term 'patinteracting patterns' I put it into google. Have a look
at this link and tell me where the error is:
http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=patinteracting+patterns&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
Einstein also looked at nature in terms
of patterns, and his vision of space-time is pattern based. He also
wrote that the laws of physics must be unified and this is the still
unsuccessful attempt physicists are trying to achieve. Till the end of
his life, Einstein tried to do this. They were his last written and
spoken words.
Faraday laid the groundwork for Einsteins works and Maxwell continued
Faradays work and gave it great mathematical power. Einstein always
had problems with this and is one reason he was so unsuccessful.
Maxwell would have discovered relativity if he had not died at 40
years.
How the hell do you know that?
Nik
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| User: "Richard Herring" |
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02 Dec 2003 10:31:10 AM |
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In message <3c0psvgjqdja7htar6nb28n9utslqh7vqj@4ax.com>, O'Kiwi
<something_else@iconz.co.nz> writes
On 26 Nov 2003 11:30:49 -0800, (Harold)
wrote:
Faraday laid the groundwork for Einsteins works and Maxwell continued
Faradays work and gave it great mathematical power. Einstein always
had problems with this and is one reason he was so unsuccessful.
Maxwell would have discovered relativity if he had not died at 40
years.
How the hell do you know that?
Especially as he _didn't_ die at the age of 40 ;-)
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Richard Herring
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| User: "Phil Healey" |
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05 Nov 2003 03:14:40 PM |
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Harold wrote:
"Wiktor S." <wswiktor@poczta.fmv> wrote in message news:<bo3pku$pb$1@flis.man.torun.pl>...
Other famous people are:
Napoleon.
Stalin.
Hey you forgot Mao Ze Dong. He was famous, too. So is the King of
Thailand. (Gotta be famous if you're a king, right?) Also, Hideo Nomo.
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| User: "Peter T. Daniels" |
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05 Nov 2003 05:12:28 PM |
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Harold wrote:
However, it is not well known that the following were celts too:
Galen, father of medicine.
Homer, whose real name is Kimer which means he is a Cimmerian Celt.
Alexander the Great, a Phrygian (NOT Greek)
Spartacus, also a Phrygian
Make up your mind, Celtic or Phrygian? They can't be both!
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Peter T. Daniels
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