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"Pentcho Valev" |
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17 Jul 2007 01:59:15 AM |
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Re: question: concept of photon wavelength |
Tom Roberts wrote in sci.physics.relativity:
martin wrote:
There is a question I have about the concept of wavelength of a photon.
A photon has no intrinsic wavelength; indeed it's not clear whether the
concept "wavelength" even applies to a photon. And there's also the
difficulty of attempting to discuss "a" photon....
Then, Roberts Roberts, discuss the textbook formula
frequency = (speed of light)/(wavelength)
In a gravitational field, the frequency varies with the gravitational
potential V in accordance with the equation
f' = f(1+V/c^2)
which is confirmed experimentally. The speed of light also varies with
the gravitational potential in accordance with Einstein's 1911
equation
c' = c(1+V/c^2)
As you can see Roberts Roberts, f'=f(1+V/c^2) and c'=c(1+V/c^2) are
consistent. However you say Einstein's 1911 equation c'=c(1+V/c^2) is
wrong but never give the correct equation. Why Roberts Roberts? Is
this some grand secret between hypnotists in Einstein criminal cult?
Pentcho Valev
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| User: "PD" |
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| Title: Re: question: concept of photon wavelength |
18 Jul 2007 07:31:04 AM |
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On Jul 17, 1:59 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Tom Roberts wrote in sci.physics.relativity:
martin wrote:
There is a question I have about the concept of wavelength of a photon.
A photon has no intrinsic wavelength; indeed it's not clear whether the
concept "wavelength" even applies to a photon. And there's also the
difficulty of attempting to discuss "a" photon....
Then, Roberts Roberts, discuss the textbook formula
frequency = (speed of light)/(wavelength)
That formula applies to an aggregation of photons. Wavelength is a
measurable quantity for *light*. It is not a measureable quantity for
a single photon.
In a gravitational field, the frequency varies with the gravitational
potential V in accordance with the equation
f' = f(1+V/c^2)
which is confirmed experimentally. The speed of light also varies with
the gravitational potential in accordance with Einstein's 1911
equation
c' = c(1+V/c^2)
As you can see Roberts Roberts, f'=f(1+V/c^2) and c'=c(1+V/c^2) are
consistent. However you say Einstein's 1911 equation c'=c(1+V/c^2) is
wrong but never give the correct equation. Why Roberts Roberts? Is
this some grand secret between hypnotists in Einstein criminal cult?
Pentcho Valev
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| User: "Androcles" |
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| Title: Re: question: concept of photon wavelength |
18 Jul 2007 07:53:30 AM |
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"PD" <TheDraperFamily@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1184761864.333185.148730@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
: On Jul 17, 1:59 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote:
: > Tom Roberts wrote in sci.physics.relativity:
: >
: > > martin wrote:
: > > > There is a question I have about the concept of wavelength of a
photon.
: >
: > > A photon has no intrinsic wavelength; indeed it's not clear whether
the
: > > concept "wavelength" even applies to a photon. And there's also the
: > > difficulty of attempting to discuss "a" photon....
: >
: > Then, Roberts Roberts, discuss the textbook formula
: >
: > frequency = (speed of light)/(wavelength)
:
: That formula applies to an aggregation of photons. Wavelength is a
: measurable quantity for *light*. It is not a measureable quantity for
: a single photon.
nu = E/h -- Planck.
Bumpy roads have "wavelength" (distance between bumps),
cars have frequency. Learn the difference.
A photon has no intrinsic wavelength but it has an intrinsic frequency.
Having no intrinsic wavelength it can have no intrinsic speed.
It is NOT difficult to discuss "a" photon (except with Roberts,
of course, doing his usual handwaving). It is difficult to discuss
anything with Roberts, he has his head up his arse.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: question: concept of photon wavelength |
18 Jul 2007 10:03:17 AM |
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On Jul 17, 2:59 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Tom Roberts wrote in sci.physics.relativity:
martin wrote:
There is a question I have about the concept of wavelength of a photon.
A photon has no intrinsic wavelength; indeed it's not clear whether the
concept "wavelength" even applies to a photon. And there's also the
difficulty of attempting to discuss "a" photon....
Then, Roberts Roberts, discuss the textbook formula
frequency = (speed of light)/(wavelength)
In a gravitational field, the frequency varies with the gravitational
potential V in accordance with the equation
f' = f(1+V/c^2)
which is confirmed experimentally.
The wavelength of a photon is quite simple.
Since the only thing the neo-druids of relativity
have confirmed about the wavelengths of photons
is that frequency*wavelength=1.
And the thing the morons have confirmed experimentally about the
frequency
of photons is that the fine structure constant is approximately
a Goggle best-seller.
The speed of light also varies with
the gravitational potential in accordance with Einstein's 1911
equation
c' = c(1+V/c^2)
As you can see Roberts Roberts, f'=f(1+V/c^2) and c'=c(1+V/c^2) are
consistent. However you say Einstein's 1911 equation c'=c(1+V/c^2) is
wrong but never give the correct equation. Why Roberts Roberts? Is
this some grand secret between hypnotists in Einstein criminal cult?
Pentcho Valev
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| User: "Y.Porat" |
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| Title: Re: question: concept of photon wavelength |
17 Jul 2007 07:28:48 AM |
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On Jul 17, 9:59 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Tom Roberts wrote in sci.physics.relativity:
martin wrote:
There is a question I have about the concept of wavelength of a photon.
A photon has no intrinsic wavelength; indeed it's not clear whether the
concept "wavelength" even applies to a photon. And there's also the
difficulty of attempting to discuss "a" photon....
Then, Roberts Roberts, discuss the textbook formula
frequency = (speed of light)/(wavelength)
In a gravitational field, the frequency varies with the gravitational
potential V in accordance with the equation
f' = f(1+V/c^2)
which is confirmed experimentally. The speed of light also varies with
the gravitational potential in accordance with Einstein's 1911
equation
c' = c(1+V/c^2)
As you can see Roberts Roberts, f'=f(1+V/c^2) and c'=c(1+V/c^2) are
consistent. However you say Einstein's 1911 equation c'=c(1+V/c^2) is
wrong but never give the correct equation. Why Roberts Roberts? Is
this some grand secret between hypnotists in Einstein criminal cult?
Pentcho Valev
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and i n addition
photon ave loength
is th emsot simply todetect ecperimentally
and th most simple*and acurate * indentity to
measuere
waht else can you demand from a physical entity
is there another propertyof the photon
that is more acurately defined and tested ??
ATB
Y.Porat
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| User: "Jeckyl" |
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| Title: Re: question: concept of photon wavelength |
17 Jul 2007 08:02:39 AM |
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"Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1184675328.328746.275310@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 17, 9:59 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Tom Roberts wrote in sci.physics.relativity:
martin wrote:
There is a question I have about the concept of wavelength of a
photon.
A photon has no intrinsic wavelength; indeed it's not clear whether the
concept "wavelength" even applies to a photon. And there's also the
difficulty of attempting to discuss "a" photon....
Then, Roberts Roberts, discuss the textbook formula
frequency = (speed of light)/(wavelength)
In a gravitational field, the frequency varies with the gravitational
potential V in accordance with the equation
f' = f(1+V/c^2)
which is confirmed experimentally. The speed of light also varies with
the gravitational potential in accordance with Einstein's 1911
equation
c' = c(1+V/c^2)
As you can see Roberts Roberts, f'=f(1+V/c^2) and c'=c(1+V/c^2) are
consistent. However you say Einstein's 1911 equation c'=c(1+V/c^2) is
wrong but never give the correct equation. Why Roberts Roberts? Is
this some grand secret between hypnotists in Einstein criminal cult?
Pentcho Valev
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and i n addition
photon ave loength
A photon as a particle doesn't have a well-defined length as such .. but due
to wave/particle duality, its wave does have a wavelength and frequency.
is th emsot simply todetect ecperimentally
and th most simple*and acurate * indentity to
measuere
waht else can you demand from a physical entity
is there another propertyof the photon
that is more acurately defined and tested ??
When it is a wave, it has wavelength and frequency .. as a particle it
doesn't. Sorta. But that's all in the fuzzy land of quantum physics. We
do know that:
a photon has energy E = hf
a photon has momentum p = hf/c
a photon has spin = 1
a photon has charge = 0
a photon has mass = 0
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| User: "malibu" |
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| Title: Re: question: concept of photon wavelength |
17 Jul 2007 10:55:40 PM |
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On Jul 17, 6:28 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 17, 9:59 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Tom Roberts wrote in sci.physics.relativity:
martin wrote:
There is a question I have about the concept of wavelength of a photon.
A photon has no intrinsic wavelength; indeed it's not clear whether the
concept "wavelength" even applies to a photon. And there's also the
difficulty of attempting to discuss "a" photon....
Then, Roberts Roberts, discuss the textbook formula
frequency = (speed of light)/(wavelength)
In a gravitational field, the frequency varies with the gravitational
potential V in accordance with the equation
f' = f(1+V/c^2)
which is confirmed experimentally. The speed of light also varies with
the gravitational potential in accordance with Einstein's 1911
equation
c' = c(1+V/c^2)
As you can see Roberts Roberts, f'=f(1+V/c^2) and c'=c(1+V/c^2) are
consistent. However you say Einstein's 1911 equation c'=c(1+V/c^2) is
wrong but never give the correct equation. Why Roberts Roberts? Is
this some grand secret between hypnotists in Einstein criminal cult?
Pentcho Valev
-----------
and i n addition
photon ave loength
is th emsot simply todetect ecperimentally
and th most simple*and acurate * indentity to
measuere
waht else can you demand from a physical entity
is there another propertyof the photon
that is more acurately defined and tested ??
ATB
Y.Porat
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frequency
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