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23 Apr 2007 08:05:52 PM |
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Re: Rob K. vs Reality - Part 2 |
Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
On a stove burner, aluminum turns a nice cherry red
below melting.
No, it doesn't. You're acting like a thick headed conspiracy
kook. Here's the irrefutable, documented proof again.
Perhaps you should get some some assistance reading it. Do you
really "think" all these photos are faked and all the experts are
lying? What would be their motivation? Your strange world of kooky,
impossible cartoon conspiracy theories has little in common with
reality.
http://baldur.globalsymmetry.com/fact911/molten-iron/images/Aluminumbrochure-4_3.jpg
Here it is in another photo.
http://baldur.globalsymmetry.com/fact911/molten-iron/images/molten-aluminum-jones.jpg
And here is still more proof.
http://www.journalof911studies.com/letters/f/Glowing-Aluminum-Disinformation-by-brian-vasquez.pdf
Instead of repeatedly making a fool of yourself by denying
easily documented facts out of pure ignorance, why don't you
melt some aluminum, or ask someone who has?
--
http://911research.wtc7.net
http://stj911.org
http://www.911truth.org
Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm
Ever wonder who benefits from the 300 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21
"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm
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| User: "Rob Kleinschmidt" |
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23 Apr 2007 08:28:15 PM |
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On Apr 23, 6:05 pm, Henry <impeachb...@treason.whitehouse> wrote:
Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
On a stove burner, aluminum turns a nice cherry red
below melting.
No, it doesn't. You're acting like a thick headed conspiracy
kook. Here's the irrefutable, documented proof again.
Hi Henry.
Having performed this experiment and observed red glowing
aluminum, I find it really hard to take this "documented
proof" very seriously.
Repeatable experiment trumps internet reference every time
in my book.
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| User: "Henry" |
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24 Apr 2007 08:12:48 PM |
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Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
On Apr 23, 6:05 pm, Henry <impeachb...@treason.whitehouse> wrote:
Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
On a stove burner, aluminum turns a nice cherry red
below melting.
No, it doesn't. You're acting like a thick headed conspiracy
kook. Here's the irrefutable, documented proof again.
Hi Henry.
Having performed this experiment and observed red glowing
aluminum,
You burned a piece of aluminum foil. Read and learn about
surface area and oxidation. You are revealing more of your
extreme ignorance. This as silly as your comparsion of four
inch thick structural steel to .02" thick aluminum beer
cans.
When will you tell us who you "think" faked all these photos,
and explain their motivation? <chuckle>
Here's what molten aluminum looks like. It doesn't glow,
but remains silvery even when molten.
http://baldur.globalsymmetry.com/fact911/molten-iron/images/Aluminumbrochure-4_3.jpg
Here it is in another photo.
http://baldur.globalsymmetry.com/fact911/molten-iron/images/molten-aluminum-jones.jpg
And here is still more proof that the molten metal Rob insists
is imaginary is in fact very real and well documented.
http://baldur.globalsymmetry.com/fact911/molten-iron/
Still more proof that you are in denial of reality.
http://www.journalof911studies.com/letters/f/Glowing-Aluminum-Disinformation-by-brian-vasquez.pdf
Still more proof that you are spewing nonsense.
http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200703/Molten_Aluminum_Poured_onto_Rusty_Steel_by_Wes_Lifferth.pdf
--
http://911research.wtc7.net
http://stj911.org
http://www.911truth.org
Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm
Ever wonder who benefits from the 300 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21
"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm
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| User: "Rob Kleinschmidt" |
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| Title: Re: Rob K. vs Reality - Part 2 |
26 Apr 2007 04:16:10 PM |
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On Apr 24, 6:12 pm, Henry <impeachb...@treason.whitehouse> wrote:
Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
On Apr 23, 6:05 pm, Henry <impeachb...@treason.whitehouse> wrote:
Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
On a stove burner, aluminum turns a nice cherry red
below melting.
No, it doesn't. You're acting like a thick headed conspiracy
kook. Here's the irrefutable, documented proof again.
Hi Henry.
Having performed this experiment and observed red glowing
aluminum,
You burned a piece of aluminum foil. Read and learn about
surface area and oxidation. You are revealing more of your
extreme ignorance.
I didn't burn anything. What another poster had suggested
was that a surface layer of aluminum oxide would remain
unmelted while the interior would be molten.
Also, please explain your thoughts about surface area and
how that enters into any discussion.
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| User: "Puppet_Sock" |
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26 Apr 2007 11:49:04 AM |
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On Apr 23, 9:05 pm, Henry <impeachb...@treason.whitehouse> wrote:
[snip]
Perhaps you should get some some assistance reading it. Do you
really "think" all these photos are faked and all the experts are
lying? What would be their motivation? Your strange world of kooky,
impossible cartoon conspiracy theories has little in common with
reality.
Dude. You post something and call it "molten Aluminum" but
you don't give any source or explanation. This, unsurprisingly,
causes people to think you are continuing to be disconnected
from reality.
Aluminum is produced electrolytically from Cryolite or a synthetic
substitute. The working temperature of the liquid involved is
round about 900C.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryolite
So being able to see non-glowing molten "Aluminum" is not
really anything stunning. And also not connected with anything
you are trying to say. To get pure Aluminum to melt requires
a much higher temperature, and it does glow at that temp.
And it requires very special conditions to get this to operate,
as at that temperature pure Al is highly reactive with oxygen.
Starting from a position of radical ignorance is rarely a strong
way to procede.
Socks
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| User: "Henry" |
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26 Apr 2007 05:27:01 PM |
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Puppet_Sock wrote:
On Apr 23, 9:05 pm, Henry <impeachb...@treason.whitehouse> wrote:
Perhaps you should get some some assistance reading it. Do you
really "think" all these photos are faked and all the experts are
lying? What would be their motivation? Your strange world of kooky,
impossible cartoon conspiracy theories has little in common with
reality.
Dude. You post something and call it "molten Aluminum" but
you don't give any source or explanation.
Wrong. There are sources and detailed explanations in the links
I posted. You need to learn how to read and think, ya silly
puppet.
Here's what molten aluminum looks like.
http://baldur.globalsymmetry.com/fact911/molten-iron/images/Aluminumbrochure-4_3.jpg
Here it is in another photo.
http://baldur.globalsymmetry.com/fact911/molten-iron/images/molten-aluminum-jones.jpg
And here is still more proof that the molten metal you insist
is imaginary is in fact very real and well documented.
http://baldur.globalsymmetry.com/fact911/molten-iron/
Still more proof that Rob is in denial of reality.
http://www.journalof911studies.com/letters/f/Glowing-Aluminum-Disinformation-by-brian-vasquez.pdf
And still more proof...
http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200703/Molten_Aluminum_Poured_onto_Rusty_Steel_by_Wes_Lifferth.pdf
Aluminum is produced electrolytically from Cryolite or a synthetic
substitute. The working temperature of the liquid involved is
round about 900C.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryolite
So being able to see non-glowing molten "Aluminum" is not
really anything stunning.
I know. Claiming that molten aluminum does glow in daylight is
stunningly ignorant, though. That's because molten aluminum doesn't
glow in daylight. We've already proved that.
And also not connected with anything you are trying to say.
Glowing and molten metal was observed and documented at all three
WTC demolition sites. Rob said it was imaginary. After I proved to
him that's it's very real, he tried to claim that it's aluminum.
It isn't imaginary and it isn't aluminum, becuase molten aluminum
remains silvery. The glowing, molten metal is from the structural
steel in the towers. Do try to keep up.
To get pure Aluminum to melt requires a much higher temperature,
Getting aluminum to melt requires a much higher temperature than
the temperature of molten aluminum? Put down the crack pipe,
ya silly puppet!
and it does glow at that temp.
No, it doesn't. If molten aluminum did glow in daylight, someone
would be able to prove it using qualified references and repeatable
experimentation - like it did to prove that it doesn't.
Starting from a position of radical ignorance is rarely a strong
way to procede.
You started there, ended there, and you'll probably stay
there....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZgYNGGgBP0
--
http://911research.wtc7.net
http://stj911.org
http://www.911truth.org
Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm
Ever wonder who benefits from the 300 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21
"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm
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| User: "Rob Kleinschmidt" |
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26 Apr 2007 07:09:49 PM |
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On Apr 26, 3:27 pm, Henry <9...@insidejob.gov> wrote:
Puppet_Sock wrote:
Dude. You post something and call it "molten Aluminum" but
you don't give any source or explanation.
Wrong. There are sources and detailed explanations in the links
I posted. You need to learn how to read and think, ya silly
puppet.
http://scholarsfor911truth.org/ArticlAluminumGlows_1Mar06.html
Can we safely assume that the sheeple at scholarsfor911truth.org
are now under the influence or the treasonous Bu$h regime ?
Possibly their misundertanding of the properties of aluminum
allowed government mind control rays to penetrate their
aluminum foil beanies ?
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| User: "Henry" |
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30 Apr 2007 08:01:42 PM |
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Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
http://scholarsfor911truth.org/ArticlAluminumGlows_1Mar06.html
Can we safely assume that the sheeple at scholarsfor911truth.org
are now under the influence or the treasonous Bu$h regime ?
Dr. Steven Jones left that group and started a new one in part
because of the kook theories, lies, and personal attacks spewed
by Judy Woods and Morgan Reynolds. They claim that the towers
were destroyed with some sort of space beam, and that no planes
actually hit the towers - some idiocy about holograms. That sort
of kook talk is just as idiotic as your belief that a few small
random fires caused WTC7's massive steel frame to suddenly disintegrate
and drop through itself at free fall speed and perfect symmetry.
Anyway, your claim is that there was no molten metal at any of
the WTC demolition sites, and that everyone who testified to seeing
it is a liar or a kook, and that all the photo and video evidence
is faked. Now you're contradicting yourself and trying to claim that
the non existent glowing metal was aluminum. That's even sillier,
because molten aluminum doesn't glow in daylight.
http://stj911.org/jones/Jones_Replyto_Reynolds_Wood.html
http://www.journalof911studies.com/letters/f/Glowing-Aluminum-Disinformation-by-brian-vasquez.pdf
--
http://911research.wtc7.net
http://stj911.org
http://www.911truth.org
Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
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| User: "Rob Kleinschmidt" |
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30 Apr 2007 10:33:23 PM |
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On Apr 30, 5:01 pm, Henry <9...@insidejob.gov> wrote:
Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
http://scholarsfor911truth.org/ArticlAluminumGlows_1Mar06.html
Can we safely assume that the sheeple at scholarsfor911truth.org
are now under the influence or the treasonous Bu$h regime ?
Dr. Steven Jones left that group and started a new one in part
because of the kook theories, lies, and personal attacks spewed
by Judy Woods and Morgan Reynolds.
He originally cited Judy Wood's model of a step start collapse
as proof of demolition.
They claim that the towers
were destroyed with some sort of space beam, and that no planes
actually hit the towers - some idiocy about holograms.
They also claim that aluminum does in fact glow when heated.
Their observations agree with my own. You have yet to try this
experiment or explain the results that you see. Like I said,
experiment trumps appeal to authority every time.
http://stj911.org/jones/Jones_Replyto_Reynolds_Wood.htmlhttp://www.journalof911studies.com/letters/f/Glowing-Aluminum-Disinfo...
The interesting thing about you is that all your arguments
eventually turn into an appeal to authority. That's really very
curious.
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| User: "Henry" |
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01 May 2007 06:31:26 PM |
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Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
On Apr 30, 5:01 pm, Henry <9...@insidejob.gov> wrote:
Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
http://scholarsfor911truth.org/ArticlAluminumGlows_1Mar06.html
Can we safely assume that the sheeple at scholarsfor911truth.org
are now under the influence or the treasonous Bu$h regime ?
Dr. Steven Jones left that group and started a new one in part
because of the kook theories, lies, and personal attacks spewed
by Judy Woods and Morgan Reynolds.
He originally cited Judy Wood's model of a step start collapse
as proof of demolition.
Assuming the Bush regime was behind the 9-11 attacks, don't
you think they would try to discredit anyone who attempts to
expose their lies and crimes? Do you deny that people in power
have tried to infiltrate and discredit organizations they consider
to be a threat to their hold on power?
They claim that the towers
were destroyed with some sort of space beam, and that no planes
actually hit the towers - some idiocy about holograms.
They also claim that aluminum does in fact glow when heated.
Funny thing is, even though they have lost all credibility,
you believe them. That seems rather extreme and desperate.
Their observations agree with my own.
Which is still more evidence that you are wrong.
Here's what molten aluminum looks like.
http://baldur.globalsymmetry.com/fact911/molten-iron/images/Aluminumbrochure-4_3.jpg
Here it is in another photo.
http://baldur.globalsymmetry.com/fact911/molten-iron/images/molten-aluminum-jones.jpg
And here is still more proof that the molten metal you insist
is imaginary is in fact very real and well documented.
http://baldur.globalsymmetry.com/fact911/molten-iron/
Still more proof that you are in denial of reality.
http://www.journalof911studies.com/letters/f/Glowing-Aluminum-Disinformation-by-brian-vasquez.pdf
And still more proof...
http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200703/Molten_Aluminum_Poured_onto_Rusty_Steel_by_Wes_Lifferth.pdf
You have yet to try this
experiment or explain the results that you see. Like I said,
experiment trumps appeal to authority every time.
I have worked with metal for a living for almost thirty years.
I have TIG welded aluminum. That means I have melted it. Molten
aluminum doesn't glow in daylight, and probably never will. Dr.
Steven Jones has also melted aluminum, and it still doesn't glow
in daylight.
http://stj911.org/jones/Jones_Replyto_Reynolds_Wood.htmlhttp://www.journalof911studies.com/letters/f/Glowing-Aluminum-Disinfo...
The interesting thing about you is that all your arguments
eventually turn into an appeal to authority. That's really very
curious.
The authority of science, physics, and reality are quite
reliable. That's why I'm able to support everything I
say with hard evidence.
Interesting thing about you, is that you claim the
glowing, molten metal was imaginary. If it was imaginary,
why are you now mistakenly trying to claim that it
was aluminum?
http://911research.wtc7.net
http://stj911.org
http://www.911truth.org
Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm
Ever wonder who benefits from the 300 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21
"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm
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| User: "Henry" |
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05 May 2007 07:32:10 AM |
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Hey Rob, when will you finish "explaining" how dropping
a block or stick "proves" that a tall building can't be
made to topple sideways - even if supports only one side
are destroyed?
That had the makings of another very amusing story - even
better than your claim that the molten, glowing metal at the
WTC demolition sites was imaginary - but that it was also
glowing aluminum.....
Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
Henry wrote:
Apparently, your "expert" Thomas Eagar "thinks" that if
supports on only one side of a tall building are destroyed,
the building would still drop straight down, because - get this
- that's the direction gravity is pulling. For your sake, I really
hope you don't believe that sort of complete idiocy. Do you? <g>
Take any object, a block or a stick for example. Hold it at
an angle, then drop it. Does it fall over sideways, or does it
travel straight to the ground at the same angle ?
Say WTF? Dropping an object and letting it free fall has nothing
to do with the tilting of a structure that's supported by the
ground. There's no fulcrum or pivot point in your analogy. Are
you trolling, or really unable to grasp these concepts? If you
kick two legs off one side of a four legged table, do you think
the table will drop straight down with the top remaining level?
What in the hell are you talking about with these flying blocks
and sticks?
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| User: "Rob Kleinschmidt" |
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01 May 2007 08:28:15 PM |
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On May 1, 4:31 pm, Henry <9...@insidejob.gov> wrote:
Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
On Apr 30, 5:01 pm, Henry <9...@insidejob.gov> wrote:
Dr. Steven Jones left that group and started a new one in part
because of the kook theories, lies, and personal attacks spewed
by Judy Woods and Morgan Reynolds.
He originally cited Judy Wood's model of a step start collapse
as proof of demolition.
They claim that the towers
were destroyed with some sort of space beam, and that no planes
actually hit the towers - some idiocy about holograms.
They also claim that aluminum does in fact glow when heated.
Funny thing is, even though they have lost all credibility,
you believe them. That seems rather extreme and desperate.
Jones claims some sort of magic chemical reaction that burns
for days and weeks and occasionally morphs from an incindiary
into an explosive. Wood and Reynolds claim some sort of
super secret beam weapon.
I believe Wood and Reynolds when they say Jones is a fruitcake.
I also believe Jones when he says Wood and Reynolds are fruticakes.
They are like two Napoleon Bonapartes encountering each other
in a loony bin. They glare and size each other up, then each one
correctly concludes that the other one is nuts and they go back to
managing their respective invisible armies and imaginary affairs of
state.
Glad you asked. I'm laughing my ***** off. Whatever happened to
the other faction who claim it was a small nuke ?
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| User: "Henry" |
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02 May 2007 09:19:35 PM |
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Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
Glad you asked.
But you didn't answer. Here, try again.
What goes through your mind when yuo see all the proof that
molten aluminum doesn't glow red or orange? Do you think
all the photos are faked?
Here's what molten aluminum looks like.
http://baldur.globalsymmetry.com/fact911/molten-iron/images/Aluminumbrochure-4_3.jpg
Here it is in another photo.
http://baldur.globalsymmetry.com/fact911/molten-iron/images/molten-aluminum-jones.jpg
And here is still more proof that the molten metal you insist
is imaginary is in fact very real and well documented.
http://baldur.globalsymmetry.com/fact911/molten-iron/
Still more proof that you are in denial of reality.
http://www.journalof911studies.com/letters/f/Glowing-Aluminum-Disinformation-by-brian-vasquez.pdf
And still more proof...
http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200703/Molten_Aluminum_Poured_onto_Rusty_Steel_by_Wes_Lifferth.pdf
You claim the glowing, molten metal was imaginary. If it was
imaginary, why are you now mistakenly trying to claim that it was
aluminum?
--
http://911research.wtc7.net
http://stj911.org
http://www.911truth.org
Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm
Ever wonder who benefits from the 300 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21
"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/
http://www.truthout.org/
http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/
http://thirdworldtraveler.com/
http://counterpunch.org/
http://responsiblewealth.org/
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...
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| User: "Bob Cain" |
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| Title: Re: Rob K. vs Reality - Part 2 |
02 May 2007 10:12:11 PM |
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Henry wrote:
Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
Glad you asked.
But you didn't answer. Here, try again.
What goes through your mind when yuo see all the proof that
molten aluminum doesn't glow red or orange? Do you think
all the photos are faked?
Have you ever welded aluminium? You are wrong. High enough temp and
it glows bright.
Bob
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"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler."
A. Einstein
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| User: "Henry" |
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03 May 2007 09:41:53 PM |
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Bob Cain wrote:
Henry wrote:
Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
Glad you asked.
But you didn't answer. Here, try again.
What goes through your mind when yuo see all the proof that
molten aluminum doesn't glow red or orange? Do you think
all the photos are faked?
Have you ever welded aluminium? You are wrong. High enough temp and
it glows bright.
Yes, I have, and it doesn't glow in daylight.
Do you think all these photos are faked?
Here's what molten aluminum looks like.
http://baldur.globalsymmetry.com/fact911/molten-iron/images/Aluminumbrochure-4_3.jpg
Here it is in another photo.
http://baldur.globalsymmetry.com/fact911/molten-iron/images/molten-aluminum-jones.jpg
And here is still more proof that the molten metal you insist
is imaginary is in fact very real and well documented.
http://baldur.globalsymmetry.com/fact911/molten-iron/
Still more proof that you are in denial of reality.
http://www.journalof911studies.com/letters/f/Glowing-Aluminum-Disinformation-by-brian-vasquez.pdf
And still more proof...
http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200703/Molten_Aluminum_Poured_onto_Rusty_Steel_by_Wes_Lifferth.pdf
You claim the glowing, molten metal was imaginary. If it was
imaginary, why are you now mistakenly trying to claim that it was
aluminum?
--
http://911research.wtc7.net
http://stj911.org
http://stopthelie.com/
http://www.911truth.org
Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm
Ever wonder who benefits from the 300 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21
"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/
http://www.truthout.org/
http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/
http://thirdworldtraveler.com/
http://counterpunch.org/
http://responsiblewealth.org/
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...
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01 May 2007 10:21:26 PM |
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Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
[...]
Glad you asked. I'm laughing my ***** off. Whatever happened to
the other faction who claim it was a small nuke ?
Seriously?
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02 May 2007 12:29:34 PM |
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On May 1, 8:21 pm, Eric Gisse <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:
Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
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Glad you asked. I'm laughing my ***** off. Whatever happened to
the other faction who claim it was a small nuke ?
Seriously?
There are a few, and they seem to think they're serious.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=wtc+nuclear&btnG=Google+Search
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| User: "Eric Gisse" |
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02 May 2007 04:58:21 PM |
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On May 2, 9:29 am, Rob Kleinschmidt <Rkleinsch1216...@aol.com> wrote:
On May 1, 8:21 pm, EricGisse<jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:
Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
[...]
Glad you asked. I'm laughing my ***** off. Whatever happened to
the other faction who claim it was a small nuke ?
Seriously?
There are a few, and they seem to think they're serious.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=wtc+nuclear&btnG=Google+Search
The coupling between these assholes and reality has always been weak.
I'm not even remotely surprised.
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| User: "Rob Kleinschmidt" |
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02 May 2007 05:10:36 PM |
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On May 2, 2:58 pm, Eric Gisse <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 2, 9:29 am, Rob Kleinschmidt <Rkleinsch1216...@aol.com> wrote:
On May 1, 8:21 pm, EricGisse<jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:
Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
Whatever happened to
the other faction who claim it was a small nuke ?
Seriously?
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=wtc+nuclear&btnG=Google+Search
The coupling between these assholes and reality has always been weak.
I'm not even remotely surprised.
Do your deny that you're remotely surprised when
just a few posts back you asked "seriously ?".
I've got you dead to rights. Don't try to deny it.
This conclusively proves that Bu$h did it.
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| User: "Eric Gisse" |
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02 May 2007 07:20:45 PM |
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On May 2, 2:10 pm, Rob Kleinschmidt <Rkleinsch1216...@aol.com> wrote:
On May 2, 2:58 pm, Eric Gisse <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 2, 9:29 am, Rob Kleinschmidt <Rkleinsch1216...@aol.com> wrote:
On May 1, 8:21 pm, EricGisse<jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:
Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
Whatever happened to
the other faction who claim it was a small nuke ?
Seriously?
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=wtc+nuclear&btnG=Google+Search
The coupling between these assholes and reality has always been weak.
I'm not even remotely surprised.
Do your deny that you're remotely surprised when
just a few posts back you asked "seriously ?".
OK I admit it. The shock of such a stupid idea being offered as a
serious theory threw me for a bit.
I've got you dead to rights. Don't try to deny it.
This conclusively proves that Bu$h did it.
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| User: "Henry" |
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02 May 2007 09:18:57 PM |
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Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
On Apr 30, 5:01 pm, Henry <9...@insidejob.gov> wrote:
Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
http://scholarsfor911truth.org/ArticlAluminumGlows_1Mar06.html
Can we safely assume that the sheeple at scholarsfor911truth.org
are now under the influence or the treasonous Bu$h regime ?
Dr. Steven Jones left that group and started a new one in part
because of the kook theories, lies, and personal attacks spewed
by Judy Woods and Morgan Reynolds.
He originally cited Judy Wood's model of a step start collapse
as proof of demolition.
Assuming the Bush regime was behind the 9-11 attacks, don't
you think they would try to discredit anyone who attempts to
expose their lies and crimes? Do you deny that people in power
have tried to infiltrate and discredit organizations they consider
to be a threat to their hold on power?
Their observations agree with my own.
Which is still more evidence that you are wrong. What
goes through your mind when yuo see all the proof that
molten aluminum doesn't glow red or orange? Do you think
all the photos are faked?
Here's what molten aluminum looks like.
http://baldur.globalsymmetry.com/fact911/molten-iron/images/Aluminumbrochure-4_3.jpg
Here it is in another photo.
http://baldur.globalsymmetry.com/fact911/molten-iron/images/molten-aluminum-jones.jpg
And here is still more proof that the molten metal you insist
is imaginary is in fact very real and well documented.
http://baldur.globalsymmetry.com/fact911/molten-iron/
Still more proof that you are in denial of reality.
http://www.journalof911studies.com/letters/f/Glowing-Aluminum-Disinformation-by-brian-vasquez.pdf
And still more proof...
http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200703/Molten_Aluminum_Poured_onto_Rusty_Steel_by_Wes_Lifferth.pdf
You have yet to try this
experiment or explain the results that you see. Like I said,
experiment trumps appeal to authority every time.
I have worked with metal for a living for almost thirty years.
I have TIG welded aluminum. That means I have melted it. Molten
aluminum doesn't glow in daylight, and probably never will. Dr.
Steven Jones has also melted aluminum, and it still doesn't glow
in daylight.
http://stj911.org/jones/Jones_Replyto_Reynolds_Wood.htmlhttp://www.journalof911studies.com/letters/f/Glowing-Aluminum-Disinfo...
The interesting thing about you is that all your arguments
eventually turn into an appeal to authority. That's really very
curious.
Interesting thing about you, is that you claim the
glowing, molten metal was imaginary. If it was imaginary,
why are you now mistakenly trying to claim that it was
aluminum?
http://911research.wtc7.net
http://stj911.org
http://www.911truth.org
Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm
Ever wonder who benefits from the 300 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21
"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm
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| User: "Rob Kleinschmidt" |
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03 May 2007 12:12:28 PM |
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Henry wrote:
Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
[Re "aluminum glows" ]
Their observations agree with my own.
Which is still more evidence that you are wrong. What
goes through your mind when yuo see all the proof that
molten aluminum doesn't glow red or orange? Do you think
all the photos are faked?
What goes through my mind is that I have observed
evidence to th contrary with my own eyes and have
described to you how to produce the same result.
What goes through my mind is a sense of amazement
that you would continue to assert your internet site
as proof to the contrary. Your faith would have been
praiseworthy back in the dark ages when people
were encouraged to not think for themselves, but is
hardly appropriate today.
If a sheet of aluminum foil glows red when heated
on an ordinary stove, which it does, then it can safely
be asserted that the assertion "aluminum does
not glow red or orange" is false.
I am in shock and awe at your dimness.
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| User: "Henry" |
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03 May 2007 09:54:10 PM |
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Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
Henry wrote:
What
goes through your mind when you see all the proof that
molten aluminum doesn't glow red or orange? Do you think
all the photos are faked?
What goes through my mind is that I have observed
evidence to th contrary with my own eyes and have
described to you how to produce the same result.
You heated up a piece of aluminum foil. You obviously
don't understand oxidation or emissivity.
http://baldur.globalsymmetry.com/fact911/molten-iron/
This comes as no surprise, given the fact that you think
dropping a block or a stick and watching it in free fall
somehow "proves" that a tall structure can't be made to
topple sideways even if supports on only one side are
destroyed. That's completely nonsensical "logic", even for
a parrot of the Bush regime's comical magic fire conspiracy
theory.
You also compared the four inch thick structural steel in
the towers to aluminum beer cans. That is, of course, also
comical nonsense.
What goes through my mind is a sense of amazement
that you would continue to assert your internet site
as proof to the contrary.
They're not my internet sites, and there are endless
sources that show and confirm that molten aluminum
doesn't glow red or orange in daylight. Also, I have
melted aluminum and seen that it doesn't glow in daylight.
It remains silvery like lead, which doesn't glow when molten
either - except perhaps in Robworld.
Why do you think so many people would fake all the photos of
molten aluminum and lie about its emissivity? Doesn't it mean
anything to you that the only reference you found that shares
your misguided belief has been thoroughly debunked and also
claims that no planes hit the towers?
Also, in spite of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary,
you insist that the molten and glowing metal observed deep in
the WTC rubble was imaginary. If that's your position, why are
you now trying to claim that it was aluminum? That makes no
sense, either. You're just digging a deeper hole and making
a fool of yourself and your magic fire/Super Arab cartoon
conspiracy theory.
Here's what molten aluminum looks like.
http://baldur.globalsymmetry.com/fact911/molten-iron/images/Aluminumbrochure-4_3.jpg
Here it is in another photo.
http://baldur.globalsymmetry.com/fact911/molten-iron/images/molten-aluminum-jones.jpg
And here is still more proof that the molten metal you insist
is imaginary is in fact very real and well documented.
http://baldur.globalsymmetry.com/fact911/molten-iron/
Still more proof that you are in denial of reality.
http://www.journalof911studies.com/letters/f/Glowing-Aluminum-Disinformation-by-brian-vasquez.pdf
And still more proof...
http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200703/Molten_Aluminum_Poured_onto_Rusty_Steel_by_Wes_Lifferth.pdf
And still more overwhelming, irrefutable hard proof of molten,
glowing metal in the WTC rubble:
http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2005/12/why-was-there-molten-metal-under.html
--
http://911research.wtc7.net
http://stj911.org
http://stopthelie.com/
http://www.911truth.org
Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm
Ever wonder who benefits from the 300 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21
"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm
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| User: "Rob Kleinschmidt" |
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04 May 2007 01:40:04 PM |
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Henry wrote:
Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
Henry wrote:
What
goes through your mind when you see all the proof that
molten aluminum doesn't glow red or orange? Do you think
all the photos are faked?
What goes through my mind is that I have observed
evidence to th contrary with my own eyes and have
described to you how to produce the same result.
You heated up a piece of aluminum foil. You obviously
don't understand oxidation or emissivity.
http://baldur.globalsymmetry.com/fact911/molten-iron/
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/chem00/chem00240.htm
Nice explanation of incandescence.
Aluminum will glow orange/red at about the temperature
where it softens. This does not depend on surface area.
This is something anybody can test for themselves.
The color is readily observable.
If you have a point about emissivity or oxidation, just
state it in your own words.
"All substances give off electromagnetic radiation when heated. The
distribution of wavelengths depends, to a first approximation, on the
temperature."
Not a whole lot to argue about here.
A shower of hot substance was observed falling from the towers.
Nothing to particularly indicate what it was.
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| User: "Tom Quackenbush" |
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04 May 2007 08:46:51 PM |
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Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
<snip>
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/chem00/chem00240.htm
Nice explanation of incandescence.
Aluminum will glow orange/red at about the temperature
where it softens. This does not depend on surface area.
This is something anybody can test for themselves.
The color is readily observable.
If you have a point about emissivity or oxidation, just
state it in your own words.
"All substances give off electromagnetic radiation when heated. The
distribution of wavelengths depends, to a first approximation, on the
temperature."
<snip>
A couple of links showing the correspondence of black body
radiation to color:
http://www.giangrandi.ch/optics/blackbody/blackbody.shtml
http://www.midnightkite.com/color.html
Aluminum melts at 933 deg. K (660 deg. C or 1221 deg. F).
I'd say that it's a tad beyond softening at 1000 deg. K (726 deg. C
or 1340 deg. F).
R,
Tom Q.
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| User: "Henry" |
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05 May 2007 07:47:05 AM |
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Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
Aluminum will glow orange/red at about the temperature
where it softens.
Why do you suppose all the photos of molten aluminum
that show it to be silvery were be faked, and why would
all the experts lie about it? Doesn't the fact that there
are no photos of glowing aluminum tell you anything?
Also, You claim the glowing, molten metal was imaginary.
If it was imaginary, why are you now mistakenly trying
to claim that it was aluminum?
Here's what molten aluminum still looks like
on Planet Earth.
http://baldur.globalsymmetry.com/fact911/molten-iron/images/Aluminumbrochure-4_3.jpg
Here it is in another photo.
http://baldur.globalsymmetry.com/fact911/molten-iron/images/molten-aluminum-jones.jpg
And here is still more proof that the molten metal you insist
is imaginary is in fact very real and well documented.
http://baldur.globalsymmetry.com/fact911/molten-iron/
Still more proof that you are in denial of reality.
http://www.journalof911studies.com/letters/f/Glowing-Aluminum-Disinformation-by-brian-vasquez.pdf
And still more proof...
http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200703/Molten_Aluminum_Poured_onto_Rusty_Steel_by_Wes_Lifferth.pdf
You claim the glowing, molten metal was imaginary. If it was
imaginary, why are you now mistakenly trying to claim that it was
aluminum?
--
http://911research.wtc7.net
http://stj911.org
http://stopthelie.com/
http://www.911truth.org
Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm
Ever wonder who benefits from the 300 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21
"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/
http://www.truthout.org/
http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/
http://thirdworldtraveler.com/
http://counterpunch.org/
http://responsiblewealth.org/
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...
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| User: "Rob Kleinschmidt" |
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06 May 2007 02:35:39 AM |
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On May 5, 4:47 am, Henry <9...@insidejob.gov> wrote:
Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
Aluminum will glow orange/red at about the temperature
where it softens.
You claim the glowing, molten metal was imaginary. If it was
imaginary, why are you now mistakenly trying to claim that it was
aluminum?
I'm saying that if the eye witness accounts of molten
metal are accurate, they could be of aluminum which
melts easily in ordinary fires. I'm also saying that
virtually all substances radiate at the same color
for a given temperature.
All of these accounts were of building interiors and a
glowing substance could have been aluminum or anything
else. I suggested aluminum it's common in buildings
and melts readily in an ordinary fire.
As for the shots of the building pre-collapse,
looking at the overpass pictures, you see bright
yellow flame, some of it apparantly below the
level of the tanker at the edge of the bridge.
Bright yellow indicates a temperature, not a particular
element.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?o=14&f=/c/a/2007/04/29/BAGVOPHQU46.DTL
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| User: "Henry" |
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07 May 2007 08:37:21 PM |
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Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
On May 5, 4:47 am, Henry <9...@insidejob.gov> wrote:
Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
Aluminum will glow orange/red at about the temperature
where it softens.
You claim the glowing, molten metal was imaginary. If it was
imaginary, why are you now mistakenly trying to claim that it was
aluminum?
I'm saying that if the eye witness accounts of molten
metal are accurate,
Previously, you insisted that the glowing or molten metal
was imaginary. It's good that the hard evidence and dozens
of eyewitnesses I've presented have changed your mind.
they could be of aluminum which melts easily in ordinary fires.
There is no source for large quantities of molten aluminum
in WTC7 or the towers (unless you are going to try to tell
us that the planes which disintegrated after impacting near
the top of towers were somehow put back together and somehow
melted deep in the sub basement). But even if you are so far
out of touch with reality that you think that could have
happened, molten aluminum remains silvery in daylight. It
still doesn't glow, and here on earth, it never will. Your
cartoon kook theory forces you to deny reality and make
impossibly nonsensical and easily debunked claims.
Furthermore, samples of this previously molten metal have been
analyzed and shown to contain the residue of a thermate reaction.
If you intend to participate in this discussion, you really need
to do some research. All you have been doing is making a fool of
yourself and proving your cartoon conspiracy theory to be even more
comical and less plausible.
Here's what molten aluminum looks like.
http://baldur.globalsymmetry.com/fact911/molten-iron/images/Aluminumbrochure-4_3.jpg
Here it is in another photo.
http://baldur.globalsymmetry.com/fact911/molten-iron/images/molten-aluminum-jones.jpg
And here is still more proof that the molten metal you insist
is imaginary is in fact very real and well documented.
http://baldur.globalsymmetry.com/fact911/molten-iron/
Still more proof that Rob is in denial of reality.
http://www.journalof911studies.com/letters/f/Glowing-Aluminum-Disinformation-by-brian-vasquez.pdf
And still more proof...
http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200703/Molten_Aluminum_Poured_onto_Rusty_Steel_by_Wes_Lifferth.pdf
--
http://911research.wtc7.net
http://stj911.org
http://stopthelie.com/1-hour_guide_to_911.html
http://www.911truth.org
Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm
Ever wonder who benefits from the 300 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21
"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/
http://www.truthout.org/
http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/
http://thirdworldtraveler.com/
http://counterpunch.org/
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"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...
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| User: "Rob Kleinschmidt" |
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| Title: Re: Rob K. vs Reality - Part 2 |
08 May 2007 12:02:01 PM |
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On May 7, 6:37 pm, Henry <9...@insidejob.gov> wrote:
Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
On May 5, 4:47 am, Henry <9...@insidejob.gov> wrote:
Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
Aluminum will glow orange/red at about the temperature
where it softens.
You claim the glowing, molten metal was imaginary. If it was
imaginary, why are you now mistakenly trying to claim that it was
aluminum?
I'm saying that if the eye witness accounts of molten
metal are accurate,
Previously, you insisted that the glowing or molten metal
was imaginary. It's good that the hard evidence and dozens
of eyewitnesses I've presented have changed your mind.
Previously, I insisted that reports of molten metal were
not solid evidence, as they were eyewiteness impressions.
I continue to insist that eyewitness testimony without
corroborating evidence is well known to be among
the least reliable forms of evidence as demonstrated
repeatedly in the court system.
You are less than honest in your characterizations
of what people say.
they could be of aluminum which melts easily in ordinary fires.
There is no source for large quantities of molten aluminum
in WTC7 or the towers (unless you are going to try to tell
us that the planes which disintegrated after impacting near
the top of towers were somehow put back together and somehow
melted deep in the sub basement).
Huh !! Disintegrated would mean they couldn't melt ?
Besides that, in any office building, there's a ton of
aluminum used in all non-supporting stuff. I can see
a couple cubic feet in my office without leaving my desk.
But even if you are so far
out of touch with reality that you think that could have
happened, molten aluminum remains silvery in daylight. It
still doesn't glow, and here on earth, it never will.
Recall the use of the word "daylight". This was in a
basement, aluminum very definitely glows red orange
at temps where it is plastic but not liquid and this is something
you or anybody else can verify trivially.
Nice correlation of melting temps and color.
http://members.optushome.com.au/terrybrown/MorganiteStuff.html
Your
cartoon kook theory forces you to deny reality and make
impossibly nonsensical and easily debunked claims.
Furthermore, samples of this previously molten metal have been
analyzed and shown to contain the residue of a thermate reaction.
You are an idiot. the "residue of a thermate reaction" was sulfur.
As in gypsum sulfite, as in plaster.
If you intend to participate in this discussion, you really need
to do some research.
You want to throw another twenty or thirty years after the
five you've already wasted, that's your privilege. Best
of luck Sherlock. Let us know when you catch up with
Moriarity.
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| User: "Henry" |
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| Title: Re: Rob K. vs Reality - Part 2 |
08 May 2007 08:31:18 PM |
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Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
On May 7, 6:37 pm, Henry <9...@insidejob.gov> wrote:
Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
On May 5, 4:47 am, Henry <9...@insidejob.gov> wrote:
Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
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I'm saying that if the eye witness accounts of molten
metal are accurate,
Previously, you insisted that the glowing or molten metal
was imaginary. It's good that the hard evidence and dozens
of eyewitnesses I've presented have changed your mind.
Previously, I insisted that reports of molten metal were
not solid evidence, as they were eyewiteness impressions.
No, that's not true. You said the molten metal was imaginary.
My question:
What is your explanation for the molten metal? We know the
fires were nowhere near hot enough to produce it, and you
deny thermite, so what produced it, in your opinion?
Your idiotic, reality denying, ignorance fueled reply:
My explanation for the molten metal is that it looks like
a figment of imagination.
I continue to insist that eyewitness testimony without
corroborating evidence is well known to be among
the least reliable forms of evidence as demonstrated
repeatedly in the court system.
There is ample corroborating evidence, including thermal
imagery, photos, and videos - this in spite of a ban on
photography. It was a crime scene, yet criminal evidence
was confiscated and destroyed rather than analyzed. Those
are more key facts that don't register in the "mind" of
a conspiracy kook.
they could be of aluminum which melts easily in ordinary fires.
There is no source for large quantities of molten aluminum
in WTC7 or the towers (unless you are going to try to tell
us that the planes which disintegrated after impacting near
the top of towers were somehow put back together and somehow
melted deep in the sub basement).
Huh !! Disintegrated would mean they couldn't melt ?
Disintegrated near the top means they couldn't collect into
a pile in the sub basement. The towers literally exploded,
pulverizing all contents except steel beams and throwing it
hundreds of feet radially. And of course, no planes hit WTC7,
and there was molten metal and vaporized steel in that rubble,
too. Your nonsensical speculation gets further from reality with
each attempt to "defend" the Bush regime's lies.
Besides that, in any office building, there's a ton of
aluminum used in all non-supporting stuff. I can see
a couple cubic feet in my office without leaving my desk.
Steel beams were pulled from the rubble with their ends
literally dripping. Steel beams are not made of aluminum,
expect maybe in Robworld.
Recall the use of the word "daylight". This was in a
basement,
The top of the WTC wasn't in a basement.
http://tinyurl.com/2dvmwo
aluminum vry definitely glows red orange
at temps where it is plastic but not liquid and this is something
you or anybody else can verify trivially.
If that were the case, you'd be able to produce a photo of
glowing aluminum. I produced many photos of silvery molten
aluminum, which you seem to "think" are all part of some vast
conspiracy involving faked photos and complicity in the scientific
community predating 9-11. That's pretty far fetched, even for a
delusional conspiracy whacko.
Here's what molten aluminum looks like.
http://baldur.globalsymmetry.com/fact911/molten-iron/images/Aluminumbrochure-4_3.jpg
Here it is in another photo.
http://baldur.globalsymmetry.com/fact911/molten-iron/images/molten-aluminum-jones.jpg
And here is still more proof that the molten metal you insist
is imaginary is in fact very real and well documented.
http://baldur.globalsymmetry.com/fact911/molten-iron/
Still more proof that you are in denial of reality.
http://www.journalof911studies.com/letters/f/Glowing-Aluminum-Disinformation-by-brian-vasquez.pdf
And still more proof...
http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200703/Molten_Aluminum_Poured_onto_Rusty_Steel_by_Wes_Lifferth.pdf
You are an idiot. the "residue of a thermate reaction" was sulfur.
As in gypsum sulfite, as in plaster.
The chemical match for thermate involves far more than sulfur,
and the match is virtually identical in the tiny, iron rich
spheres (Dr. Steven Jones refers to them as "microshperes) that
were found a few hundred feet from around ground zero. What that
shows is that molten metal, identical in chemical composition to
what would be produced in a thermate reaction, was blown out of
the WTC buildings, and solidified into tiny spheres while airborne.
--
http://911research.wtc7.net
http://stj911.org
http://stopthelie.com/1-hour_guide_to_911.html
http://www.911truth.org
Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm
Ever wonder who benefits from the 300 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21
"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm
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| User: "Rob Kleinschmidt" |
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| Title: Re: Rob K. vs Reality - Part 2 |
09 May 2007 12:25:17 AM |
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On May 8, 5:31 pm, Henry <9...@insidejob.gov> wrote:
Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
My explanation for the molten metal is that it looks like
a figment of imagination.
I continue to insist that eyewitness testimony without
corroborating evidence is well known to be among
the least reliable forms of evidence as demonstrated
repeatedly in the court system.
There is ample corroborating evidence, including thermal
imagery, photos, and videos - this in spite of a ban on
photography. It was a crime scene, yet criminal evidence
was confiscated and destroyed rather than analyzed. Those
are more key facts that don't register in the "mind" of
a conspiracy kook.
There is no way that any of this evidence obtained more than
a day or so later could indicate anything but fires in the
rubble.
they could be of aluminum which melts easily in ordinary fires.
There is no source for large quantities of molten aluminum
in WTC7 or the towers (unless you are going to try to tell
us that the planes which disintegrated after impacting near
the top of towers were somehow put back together and somehow
melted deep in the sub basement).
Huh !! Disintegrated would mean they couldn't melt ?
Disintegrated near the top means they couldn't collect into
a pile in the sub basement. The towers literally exploded,
pulverizing all contents except steel beams and throwing it
hundreds of feet radially. And of course, no planes hit WTC7,
and there was molten metal and vaporized steel in that rubble,
too. Your nonsensical speculation gets further from reality with
each attempt to "defend" the Bush regime's lies.
Besides that, in any office building, there's a ton of
aluminum used in all non-supporting stuff. I can see
a couple cubic feet in my office without leaving my desk.
Steel beams were pulled from the rubble with their ends
literally dripping. Steel beams are not made of aluminum,
expect maybe in Robworld.
Bull. One photo, weeks later of hot but not molten
metal. Other photos ? No plausible explosive or
incindiary that would be burning weeks later. For
what purpose would you smuggle in thousands of
times more of this material than you needed to
do the immediate job ?
aluminum vry definitely glows red orange
at temps where it is plastic but not liquid and this is something
you or anybody else can verify trivially.
If that were the case, you'd be able to produce a photo of
glowing aluminum. I produced many photos of silvery molten
aluminum, which you seem to "think" are all part of some vast
conspiracy involving faked photos and complicity in the scientific
community predating 9-11.
I think people occasionally find "proof" of what they want to hear.
I offered you an easily repeatable experiment, where aluminum
is heated to the point of plasticity on an ordinary electric burner
and glows red/orange, same color as the burner. Try it yourself.
Experiment is what we turn to when Professor Jones announces
he's discovered muon catalyzed cold fusion. It allows us to
determine that this is wishful thinking. Same for this demoliton
theory.
The chemical match for thermate involves far more than sulfur,
and the match is virtually identical in the tiny, iron rich
spheres (Dr. Steven Jones refers to them as "microshperes) that
were found a few hundred feet from around ground zero. What that
shows is that molten metal, identical in chemical composition to
what would be produced in a thermate reaction, was blown out of
the WTC buildings, and solidified into tiny spheres while airborne.
When somebody demonstrates this remarkable material
that sometimes acts like an incindiary and sometimes like
an explosive, sometimes burns for weeks and sometimes
explodes instantly then maybe it'll be worth taking seriously.
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