Re: "Scientific" Dreams Of Travel To Stars Shattered: Mysterious Force Pulls Back NASA Probe In Deep Space



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User: "G. L. Bradford"
Date: 06 Oct 2006 03:36:17 AM
Object: Re: "Scientific" Dreams Of Travel To Stars Shattered: Mysterious Force Pulls Back NASA Probe In Deep Space
"Joe Strout" <joe@strout.net> wrote in message
news:joe-9C7C7A.16534105102006@comcast.dca.giganews.com...

This is really exciting research. If the effect is real, it could
indicate the need for revision our theories of gravity -- and that, in
turn, is likely to have repercussions on other theories (dark matter
comes immediately to mind).

However, what's really astonishing is the level of ignorance required to
read this article, and then type a subject line like "Dreams Of Travel
To Stars Shattered". How can you read about an acceleration of 6 mph
per century, and not see that this would be absolutely no impediment to
interstellar travel?

The effect probably isn't real. I've been arguing for some time that there
is a human related flaw in how Special Relativity is interpreted where an
observer observes, or instrumentation detects, a distant object is in a
certain position at a certain velocity and actually it is neither in that
position nor doing that velocity. It is somewhere then far out ahead of that
given position for it and it is traveling a good deal faster than the
velocity being observed or detected for it. The reality of it is, in effect,
now in the unobserved 'unobservable' Universe, so to speak.
The flaw is no problem whatsoever at short distances on Earth or nearer
Earth. It only becomes a problem, an "expansionist" problem so to say, the
farther from the vicinity of Earth an object gets. The pseudo-Pioneer 10, at
seven billion miles from Earth (observed), if that were the distance right
now, would probably be -- at the exact distance, at the exact time -- about
ten and half hours behind in space and time to, or in the past of, the real
Pioneer 10. The pseudo-Pioneer 10, at eight billion miles from Earth
(observed), will be about twelve hours behind in space and time to, or in
the past of, the real Pioneer 10 -- providing it is not accelerating in
velocity. As you should be able to tell by the difference given here, the
pseudo-Pioneer 10 would seem, by falling farther and farther behind in time
to the real Pioneer 10, to be slowing down in space and time. It's that
"inertial frame" premise -- base -- every single one of those scientists are
using. The traveler's frame being, [in Relativity!], the even more, the ever
more, "inertial" of two inertial frames than the observer's inertial frame.
The real problem is, that particular traveler isn't even real.
At seven billion miles from Earth, it should take any observable
information having to do with Pioneer 10 about ten and a half hours to reach
Earth, putting that concerned Pioneer 10 about ten and a half hours behind
PIONEER 10 -- in the past of PIONEER 10. At eight billion miles from Earth,
it should take any observable information having anything to do with Pioneer
10 about twelve hours to reach Earth, putting that concerned Pioneer 10
about twelve hours behind PIONEER 10 -- in the past of PIONEER 10. One
Pioneer 10 always relative to the Earth and observers on Earth, and [the]
Pioneer 10 unobserved in an unobserved universe expanding in becoming ever
more unobservable, or getting ahead in time of observation from the Earth,
putting distance between it and a following ghost -- our observable ghost of
it scientists on Earth believe to be it because they've badly misinterpreted
the relationship of wavelength, frequency, and speed of light (badly
misinterpreted light information (all information including all visuals, all
pictures), thus badly misinterpreting space-time, thus badly misinterpreting
Relativity.
But to recognize and fix the problem of Relativity's misinterpretation,
science on Earth would also have to rethink the entire "observable
universe," rethinking an entire three-quarter century's worth of
cosmological look and interpretation. They won't do that so they will look
for something else, some mysterious force, as the what and why of the
mystery of Pioneer 10. Of course never discovering it. Of course to be made
to look history's fools all over again in a half-century to a century when
we ourselves get to traveling out vast distances and back, looking to slow
down on the way out, and speed up on the way back (like you see that a car
or an aircraft seems to slow down on its way going away from you, and seems
to speed up on its way oncoming toward you, when in fact, for this case at
least, the speedometer, or airspeed indicator, reads a steady-state velocity
being maintained at all times going and coming).
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Heavier than air ships will never fly. (Lord Kelvin)
The future of computers is that one computer will be a colossus occupying
an entire city block. (von Neumann)
Columbus and all his men will most certainly die before they reach even
halfway to the East. (the science establishment, 1491-1492)
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GLB
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