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Science > Physics |
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"Koobee Wublee" |
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28 Sep 2006 11:49:01 AM |
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Re: SR Unverifiability - GR falsifiability |
Mike wrote:
Axioms of SR:
(See for example: http://casa.colorado.edu/~ajsh/sr/postulate.html )
1. Space-time is a 4-D continuum --- fails verification (and common
sense)
Yes, spacetime is a mathematical construct. In GR, it replaces the
Aether. Since one can derive the Minkowski spacetime from the Lorentz
transformation, it becomes extremely silly to manipulate spacetime as
if a manifold.
2. There are globally inertial reference frames - fails verification
All frames of references should be all identical. The laws of physics
should not have a preference for one frame over the other. We should
give this very basic principle a name. I suggest the principle of
Consistency which states
The laws of physics are the same from one point in space to another.
If found to be inconsistent, the known laws of physics are not complete
and have to be modified. For example, each point observes another
point using the same transformation. One such transformation is the
Lorentz transform.
3. POR ( Principle of Relativity - An epistemological principle that
fails verification)
The principle of Relativity is a subset of the principle of Consistency
where the same laws of physics also apply to any constantly moving
observer relative to others. The Lorentz transform obeys the principle
of Consistency also obeys the principle of Relativity.
This is where the problem exists, namely the Twin's paradox. By the
principle of Relativity, each twin must observe the same outcome. The
Lorentz transform mathematically describes this. However, actual
experimental results as well as everyday experiences do indicate lack
of the Twin's paradox. Both twin cannot observe the same time
slowdown of the other.
Thus, since Galileo's day, the principle of Relativity which works so
well under the Newtonian physics is wrong.
4. Constancy of speed of light is all inertial FoR - fails verification
(and common sense)
There is no way to falsify the base of SR. It is so made that it fails
verifiability. Any discrepancies in experimental tests can be treated
using auxiliary hypotheses. There is no way to get rid of SR unless the
physical community bans theories that do not incorporate at least one
empirical principle as part of their foundation.
Your axiom #3 falsifies the Lorentz transform. Since SR is one of the
many interpretations (including Lorentz's Aether theory as well as
modern day champions like Mr. O'Barr and Mr. Seto) to the mathematics
of the Lorentz transform, it must be wrong.
GR can be falsified right on its base. The PE is a falsifiable
principle.
No, not through PE. Anyone not disciplined in the Voodoo mathematics
can easily poke lots and lots holes in GR. It also helps if possessing
no hero worshipping mentality.
If you want to attack the absurdity of Einstenian Relativity attack GR.
Dealing with SR is a waste a time, It is no more than a formal
mathematical theory.
SR did not originate with Einstein but rather Poincare, but that is
irrelevant because the Lorentz transform was first derived by Larmor
built on the works discovered by FitzGerald and Lorentz himself. GR is
a subset of the concept of spacetime which was pioneered by Minkowski.
GR was born when the Einstein field equations were derived. In doing
so, Hilbert's Lagrangian that gave rise to the field equations was
pulled out of his *ss by Hilbert himself. Historically speaking, the
hypotheses of Relativity did not belong to Einstein. Einstein played a
very minor role in SR and a junior role in GR.
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| User: "Sorcerer" |
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| Title: Re: SR Unverifiability - GR falsifiability |
28 Sep 2006 12:22:24 PM |
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"Koobee Wublee" <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1159462141.264783.166780@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
| Mike wrote:
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| > Axioms of SR:
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| > (See for example: http://casa.colorado.edu/~ajsh/sr/postulate.html )
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| > 1. Space-time is a 4-D continuum --- fails verification (and common
| > sense)
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| Yes, spacetime is a mathematical construct.
Yeah, a spinning bullet is a fixed helix in spacetime. Big deal.
| > 2. There are globally inertial reference frames - fails verification
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| All frames of references should be all identical.
Yeah, and pi should be 3.0, but it isn't.
Wrong attitude, rest snipped.
Androcles
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| User: "Dirk Van de moortel" |
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| Title: Re: SR Unverifiability - GR falsifiability |
28 Sep 2006 11:55:37 AM |
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"Koobee Wublee" <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1159462141.264783.166780@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Mike wrote:
Great. One malicious imbecile troll replying to another slightly
less malicious but vastly more imbecilic troll ;-)
Dirk Vdm
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