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06 Apr 2006 11:31:33 AM |
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Re: THE ATHEIST INQUSITION ? |
George Z. Bush wrote:
<midlant@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:1144297790.378093.99520@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
My assistant used to say, "War is God's way of controlling the
population problem."
(Snip)
I guess your assistant never heard of Malthus and the Malthusian Theory.
Thomas Robert Malthus was an Anglican clergyman who theorized in the late
18th Century that while population grew geometrically, the means to support
that population only grew arithmetically, and that the only way balance
between the two could be achieved was through the occurrence of
"occupations, severe labour and exposure to the seasons, bad and
insufficient clothing arising from poverty . . . the whole train of common
diseases and epidemics, wars, infanticide, plague, and famine. . "
http://arts-sciences.cua.edu/econ/faculty/aguirre/resenv.htm#A.%20Framing
George Z
*Thus spake God's Creator*
There is *NO* doubt that everything in _this_ universe seems to
have some sort of counter-balance for it's existence. :-) (+ -) :-(
However, I don't believe the "balanced items/entitys" could
*self destruct* , anymore than they could _create_ themselves. :-)
*Gods who created... themselves!??? :-) :-)
:-)
:-)
:-)
God's Creator!
( *Sorry... I don't forgive ****** ) :-)
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| User: "Liam _" |
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06 Apr 2006 03:23:43 PM |
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In alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic God's Creator <Why_Are_Gods@always.bro.ke> wrote:
: *Thus spake God's Creator*
: There is *NO* doubt that everything in _this_ universe seems to
: have some sort of counter-balance for it's existence. :-) (+ -) :-(
: However, I don't believe the "balanced items/entitys" could
: *self destruct* , anymore than they could _create_ themselves. :-)
: *Gods who created... themselves!??? :-) :-)
: :-)
But apparently you have no problem with the Universe creating itself?
Mind you, the Western Conception of God is not of a created being but
rather one that is eternal and therefore beyond the concept of creation.
In contrast the Universe appears to have a discrete beginning.
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Bill
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06 Apr 2006 05:36:02 PM |
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Liam _ wrote:
In alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic God's Creator <Why_Are_Gods@always.bro.ke> wrote:
: *Thus spake God's Creator*
: There is *NO* doubt that everything in _this_ universe seems to
: have some sort of counter-balance for it's existence. :-) (+ -) :-(
: However, I don't believe the "balanced items/entitys" could
: *self destruct* , anymore than they could _create_ themselves. :-)
: *Gods who created... themselves!??? :-) :-)
: :-)
But apparently you have no problem with the Universe creating itself?
Mind you, the Western Conception of God is not of a created being but
rather one that is eternal and therefore beyond the concept of creation.
In contrast the Universe appears to have a discrete beginning.
--
Bill
*Thus spake God's Creator*
That last statement is what I have deep trouble with!
How can the UNIVERSE *which means everything* be characterized
as being discrete, without _something_ having existed before it,
and started it... (secondly) ?
The UNIVERSE is infinite in any respect, that anyone, would
try to ascribe to any of it's (infinite) number of characteristics.
It may be impossible for the human finite mind to even conceive of it. :-(
Most humans are aware of being a _part_ of the UNIVERSE,
but, no sane person is aware of being a part of any (man created)
"(3)headed Pink Dragons or Gods".
There are those who are born, or made believers,
(Who have been taught to *BELIEVE* only what they are told),
and they never really get to *KNOW* anything...
God's Creator!
( *Sorry... I don't forgive ****** ) :-)
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Todays U.S. Holy Wars News:
http://www.antiwar.com
http://icasualties.org/oif/
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| User: "Gods Creator!" |
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07 Apr 2006 03:51:17 AM |
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Christopher Nelson wrote:
......
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God' Creator wrote: Our UNIVERSE is infinite, and has no size!
This is true enough. It's supposed to be what, 12 billion years old?
But then there are the stars on the outskirts of the universe that
appear even older, so it's (to me) up in the air about exactly when this
instance of the universe started.
*Thus spake God's Creator*
No one has _ever_ seen the outskirts of the UNIVERSE! (There is none).
There are *billions* of Stars=Suns in our galaxy alone...
and there are an *Infinite number* of other galaxies :-)
---> http://hubblesite.org/gallery/album/galaxy_collection/
However, Eclipses of our Sun/Star happen once or twice a year.
.. If you stay home, you're likely to see a partial eclipse
several times per decade. But since the path of totality eclipses'
is so small it is very unlikely that it will cross you home town.
So people often travel half way around the world just to see
a total solar eclipse.
- To stand in the shadow of the Moon is an awesome experience.
- For a few precious minutes it gets dark in the middle of the day.
- The stars come out. The animals and birds think it's time to sleep.
- And you can _see_ the solar corona. (No crucifixion) :-)
It is well worth a major journey to... SEE!
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0604/tse2006_03_29corona_vangorp_f1800.jpg
God's Creator!
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| User: "Liam _" |
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10 Apr 2006 03:16:04 PM |
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In alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic torresD <torresd30@hotmail.com> wrote:
: I am an atheist.
Congratulations, so happy you know what you are.
: I do not believe in Virgin Births, somebody deposited
: sperm in to Mary's vagina.
Thats funny, we can do virgin births now a days due to the wonders of
modern technology.
: I do not believe in cloud beings in the sky.
Great, Christians don't either. But I suppose it makes you feel superior
to insult the beliefs of others.
: I do not believe that anyone walks on water,
: ice maybe, but not water that has not been converted
: to ice.
: I do not believe that anyone taps a rock and parts the sea.
Again, neither do Christians. We believe that God parted the sea, not
Moses.
: I believe that when you die, you turn into wormfood
: and that's it.
: I do not believe that anyone that is nailed to
: two pieces of wood, survived that.
We don't believe that Jesus survived it (though others in fact have
survived crucifixtion). We believe that he died.
: Bible=Book of Fairy Tales.
Whatever it takes to let you sleep at night.
--
Bill
: "God's Creator" <Why_Are_Gods@Always.Bro.ke> wrote in message
: news:FM-dnX6ut8NOCqjZRVn-rQ@comcast.com...
:> Liam _ wrote:
:>> In alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic God's Creator
:>> <Why_Are_Gods@always.bro.ke> wrote:
:>>
:>> : *Thus spake God's Creator*
:>>
:>> : There is *NO* doubt that everything in _this_ universe seems to
:>> : have some sort of counter-balance for it's existence. :-) (+ -) :-(
:>>
:>> : However, I don't believe the "balanced items/entitys" could
:>> : *self destruct* , anymore than they could _create_ themselves. :-)
:>>
:>> : *Gods who created... themselves!??? :-) :-)
:>> : :-)
:>>
:>> But apparently you have no problem with the Universe creating itself?
:>>
:>> Mind you, the Western Conception of God is not of a created being but
:>> rather one that is eternal and therefore beyond the concept of creation.
:>>
:>> In contrast the Universe appears to have a discrete beginning.
:>>
:>> --
:>> Bill
:>>
:>
:>
:> *Thus spake God's Creator*
:>
:> That last statement is what I have deep trouble with!
:>
:> How can the UNIVERSE *which means everything* be characterized
:> as being discrete, without _something_ having existed before it,
:> and started it... (secondly) ?
:>
:> The UNIVERSE is infinite in any respect, that anyone, would
:> try to ascribe to any of it's (infinite) number of characteristics.
:>
:> It may be impossible for the human finite mind to even conceive of it.
:> :-(
:>
:> Most humans are aware of being a _part_ of the UNIVERSE,
:> but, no sane person is aware of being a part of any (man created)
:> "(3)headed Pink Dragons or Gods".
:>
:> There are those who are born, or made believers,
:> (Who have been taught to *BELIEVE* only what they are told),
:> and they never really get to *KNOW* anything...
:>
:>
:>
:> God's Creator!
:> ( *Sorry... I don't forgive ****** ) :-)
:> --
:> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
:> Psstt.... Hey! ---> USED GODS SALE! : http://www.godchecker.com/
:> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
:> Todays U.S. Holy Wars News:
:> http://www.antiwar.com
:> http://icasualties.org/oif/
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| User: "Jim Higgins" |
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10 Apr 2006 04:20:17 PM |
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Keep this out of military newsgroups, it has no place here.
"Liam _" <wmchal1@alumni.umbc.edu> wrote in message
news:e1eee4$uta$1@news.umbc.edu...
In alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic torresD <torresd30@hotmail.com>
wrote:
: I am an atheist.
Congratulations, so happy you know what you are.
: I do not believe in Virgin Births, somebody deposited
: sperm in to Mary's vagina.
Thats funny, we can do virgin births now a days due to the wonders of
modern technology.
: I do not believe in cloud beings in the sky.
Great, Christians don't either. But I suppose it makes you feel superior
to insult the beliefs of others.
: I do not believe that anyone walks on water,
: ice maybe, but not water that has not been converted
: to ice.
: I do not believe that anyone taps a rock and parts the sea.
Again, neither do Christians. We believe that God parted the sea, not
Moses.
: I believe that when you die, you turn into wormfood
: and that's it.
: I do not believe that anyone that is nailed to
: two pieces of wood, survived that.
We don't believe that Jesus survived it (though others in fact have
survived crucifixtion). We believe that he died.
: Bible=Book of Fairy Tales.
Whatever it takes to let you sleep at night.
--
Bill
: "God's Creator" <Why_Are_Gods@Always.Bro.ke> wrote in message
: news:FM-dnX6ut8NOCqjZRVn-rQ@comcast.com...
:> Liam _ wrote:
:>> In alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic God's Creator
:>> <Why_Are_Gods@always.bro.ke> wrote:
:>>
:>> : *Thus spake God's Creator*
:>>
:>> : There is *NO* doubt that everything in _this_ universe seems to
:>> : have some sort of counter-balance for it's existence. :-) (+ -)
:-(
:>>
:>> : However, I don't believe the "balanced items/entitys" could
:>> : *self destruct* , anymore than they could _create_ themselves. :-)
:>>
:>> : *Gods who created... themselves!??? :-) :-)
:>> : :-)
:>>
:>> But apparently you have no problem with the Universe creating itself?
:>>
:>> Mind you, the Western Conception of God is not of a created being but
:>> rather one that is eternal and therefore beyond the concept of
creation.
:>>
:>> In contrast the Universe appears to have a discrete beginning.
:>>
:>> --
:>> Bill
:>>
:>
:>
:> *Thus spake God's Creator*
:>
:> That last statement is what I have deep trouble with!
:>
:> How can the UNIVERSE *which means everything* be characterized
:> as being discrete, without _something_ having existed before it,
:> and started it... (secondly) ?
:>
:> The UNIVERSE is infinite in any respect, that anyone, would
:> try to ascribe to any of it's (infinite) number of characteristics.
:>
:> It may be impossible for the human finite mind to even conceive of it.
:> :-(
:>
:> Most humans are aware of being a _part_ of the UNIVERSE,
:> but, no sane person is aware of being a part of any (man created)
:> "(3)headed Pink Dragons or Gods".
:>
:> There are those who are born, or made believers,
:> (Who have been taught to *BELIEVE* only what they are told),
:> and they never really get to *KNOW* anything...
:>
:>
:>
:> God's Creator!
:> ( *Sorry... I don't forgive ****** ) :-)
:> --
:>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
:> Psstt.... Hey! ---> USED GODS SALE! : http://www.godchecker.com/
:>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
:> Todays U.S. Holy Wars News:
:> http://www.antiwar.com
:> http://icasualties.org/oif/
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| User: "--Jay-Cee--" |
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10 Apr 2006 10:58:01 PM |
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The Christian "Killer Soldier" Jim Higgins wrote:
........
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Psstt.... Hey! ---> USED GODS SALE! : http://www.godchecker.com/
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Todays U.S. Holy Wars News:
http://www.antiwar.com
http://icasualties.org/oif/
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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10 Apr 2006 08:50:52 PM |
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Liam _ wrote:
In alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic torresD <torresd30@hotmail.com> wrote:
: I am an atheist.
Congratulations, so happy you know what you are.
: I do not believe in Virgin Births, somebody deposited
: sperm in to Mary's vagina.
Thats funny, we can do virgin births now a days due to the wonders of
modern technology.
Moving the goalposts, I see. torresD said nothing about "nowadays."
: I do not believe in cloud beings in the sky.
Great, Christians don't either. But I suppose it makes you feel superior
to insult the beliefs of others.
: I do not believe that anyone walks on water,
: ice maybe, but not water that has not been converted
: to ice.
: I do not believe that anyone taps a rock and parts the sea.
Again, neither do Christians. We believe that God parted the sea, not
Moses.
Atheists do not believe that God did anything because we do not believe
in gods.
: I believe that when you die, you turn into wormfood
: and that's it.
: I do not believe that anyone that is nailed to
: two pieces of wood, survived that.
We don't believe that Jesus survived it (though others in fact have
survived crucifixtion). We believe that he died.
There are those that believe that he died and then came back to life.
: Bible=Book of Fairy Tales.
Whatever it takes to let you sleep at night.
I wonder why you felt the need to post this to alt.atheism.
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| User: "Liam _" |
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11 Apr 2006 10:15:41 AM |
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In alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
: Liam _ wrote:
:> In alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic torresD <torresd30@hotmail.com> wrote:
:>
:> : I am an atheist.
:>
:> Congratulations, so happy you know what you are.
:>
:> : I do not believe in Virgin Births, somebody deposited
:> : sperm in to Mary's vagina.
:>
:> Thats funny, we can do virgin births now a days due to the wonders of
:> modern technology.
: Moving the goalposts, I see. torresD said nothing about "nowadays."
Not at all, they said that they did not believe in them period. They
didn't qualify them. Further my point is, that if it is possible for us
to do it now, then, if God exists, why couldn't God have done it then.
:>
:> : I do not believe in cloud beings in the sky.
:>
:> Great, Christians don't either. But I suppose it makes you feel superior
:> to insult the beliefs of others.
:>
:> : I do not believe that anyone walks on water,
:> : ice maybe, but not water that has not been converted
:> : to ice.
:>
:> : I do not believe that anyone taps a rock and parts the sea.
:>
:> Again, neither do Christians. We believe that God parted the sea, not
:> Moses.
: Atheists do not believe that God did anything because we do not believe
: in gods.
True, but the implication of the original statement is that Christians
believe a man did it, which we do not.
:>
:> : I believe that when you die, you turn into wormfood
:> : and that's it.
:>
:> : I do not believe that anyone that is nailed to
:> : two pieces of wood, survived that.
:>
:> We don't believe that Jesus survived it (though others in fact have
:> survived crucifixtion). We believe that he died.
: There are those that believe that he died and then came back to life.
Right, but that is very different than believing that Jesus survived the
crucifixtion.
:>
:> : Bible=Book of Fairy Tales.
:>
:> Whatever it takes to let you sleep at night.
: I wonder why you felt the need to post this to alt.atheism.
For the same reason that the original poster posted their post to
alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic. I didn't start the cross posting.
I don't start threads in groups I do not otherwise read, but when an
attack is made against my religion in a group that I do read, I will reply
to all the groups the attack was made in.
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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11 Apr 2006 09:44:51 PM |
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Liam _ wrote:
In alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
: Liam _ wrote:
:> In alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic torresD <torresd30@hotmail.com> wrote:
:>
:> : I am an atheist.
:>
:> Congratulations, so happy you know what you are.
:>
:> : I do not believe in Virgin Births, somebody deposited
:> : sperm in to Mary's vagina.
:>
:> Thats funny, we can do virgin births now a days due to the wonders of
:> modern technology.
: Moving the goalposts, I see. torresD said nothing about "nowadays."
Not at all, they said that they did not believe in them period. They
didn't qualify them.
Yes, torresD did. See the word "Mary" in the above implies the time
that Jesus was born in the Bible. Therefore, "nowadays" is irrelevant.
You moved the goalposts.
Further my point is, that if it is possible for us
to do it now, then, if God exists, why couldn't God have done it then.
Infinitely large "if" since God does not exist.
:>
:> : I do not believe in cloud beings in the sky.
:>
:> Great, Christians don't either. But I suppose it makes you feel superior
:> to insult the beliefs of others.
:>
:> : I do not believe that anyone walks on water,
:> : ice maybe, but not water that has not been converted
:> : to ice.
:>
:> : I do not believe that anyone taps a rock and parts the sea.
:>
:> Again, neither do Christians. We believe that God parted the sea, not
:> Moses.
: Atheists do not believe that God did anything because we do not believe
: in gods.
True, but the implication of the original statement is that Christians
believe a man did it, which we do not.
Personally, I think (if the story is based on some historical truths,
which I doubt) that Mary was raped by Roman soldiers and, for fear of
her life and the fact that women were considered property at the time,
when she became pregnant, she had to have an excuse. Like the
supestitious of the time, she blamed it on God and called it a miracle.
Or, she could've been an adulteress. A woman who committed adultery
would've been killed in that time.
That is, of course, if it happened at all, and I do not believe it did
for the plain and simple fact that the Jesus story is a rehashed
conglomeration of older stories. So, to protect herself and her lover,
God did it.
:>
:> : I believe that when you die, you turn into wormfood
:> : and that's it.
:>
:> : I do not believe that anyone that is nailed to
:> : two pieces of wood, survived that.
:>
:> We don't believe that Jesus survived it (though others in fact have
:> survived crucifixtion). We believe that he died.
: There are those that believe that he died and then came back to life.
Right, but that is very different than believing that Jesus survived the
crucifixtion.
Right.
:>
:> : Bible=Book of Fairy Tales.
:>
:> Whatever it takes to let you sleep at night.
: I wonder why you felt the need to post this to alt.atheism.
For the same reason that the original poster posted their post to
alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic. I didn't start the cross posting.
That is the classic excuse for laziness. "I didn't start it!" Just
snip the off-topic newsgroups from your list. Takes all of 1.5 seconds
to do. Highlight, delete.
I don't start threads in groups I do not otherwise read, but when an
attack is made against my religion
Do you perceive an atheist espousing his/her own opinions about your
religion to be an attack on your religion?
in a group that I do read, I will reply
to all the groups the attack was made in.
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12 Apr 2006 01:37:17 AM |
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Liam _ wrote:
In alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
: Liam _ wrote:
:> In alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic torresD <torresd30@hotmail.com> wrote:
:>
:> : I am an atheist.
:>
:> Congratulations, so happy you know what you are.
:>
:> : I do not believe in Virgin Births, somebody deposited
:> : sperm in to Mary's vagina.
But Who ??????????
Only Mary knows how and which one did it.
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| User: "Liam _" |
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07 Apr 2006 10:30:54 AM |
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In alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic God's Creator <Why_Are_Gods@always.bro.ke> wrote:
: Liam _ wrote:
:> In alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic God's Creator <Why_Are_Gods@always.bro.ke> wrote:
:>
:> : *Thus spake God's Creator*
:>
:> : There is *NO* doubt that everything in _this_ universe seems to
:> : have some sort of counter-balance for it's existence. :-) (+ -) :-(
:>
:> : However, I don't believe the "balanced items/entitys" could
:> : *self destruct* , anymore than they could _create_ themselves. :-)
:>
:> : *Gods who created... themselves!??? :-) :-)
:> : :-)
:>
:> But apparently you have no problem with the Universe creating itself?
:>
:> Mind you, the Western Conception of God is not of a created being but
:> rather one that is eternal and therefore beyond the concept of creation.
:>
:> In contrast the Universe appears to have a discrete beginning.
:>
:> --
:> Bill
:>
: *Thus spake God's Creator*
: That last statement is what I have deep trouble with!
: How can the UNIVERSE *which means everything* be characterized
: as being discrete, without _something_ having existed before it,
: and started it... (secondly) ?
I suggest you read up on Big Bang and Inflationary Cosmology. Everything
that we can experience, matter, energy, space, even time was created at a
specific point roughly 14 billion years ago. Or rather, all the evidence
is pointing in that direction.
: The UNIVERSE is infinite in any respect, that anyone, would
: try to ascribe to any of it's (infinite) number of characteristics.
Actually probably not. There might be other universes, that exist outside
of this one, but then again there may not be. Science has not answered
those questions yet. What we do know is that he Universe is bounded in
both time and space.
: It may be impossible for the human finite mind to even conceive of it. :-(
Maybe, but I wouldn't bet on it. We have gotten pretty good at figuring
out the science behind stuff. We may not be able to take it in fully, but
we will have a good general understanding.
: Most humans are aware of being a _part_ of the UNIVERSE,
: but, no sane person is aware of being a part of any (man created)
: "(3)headed Pink Dragons or Gods".
Sane maybe by your definition. It makes it very easy to disregard those
with mystical experiences. If you claim to have experienced God in any
sense, you must therefore be insane. The problem is that if God is real
and truely transcendent, then the direct experience of him might appear to
be insanity by those who have not experienced it themselves.
: There are those who are born, or made believers,
: (Who have been taught to *BELIEVE* only what they are told),
: and they never really get to *KNOW* anything...
Speaking from personal experience, being raised religious will only get
you so far. Sooner or later you have to come to terms with your beliefs
and the world around you. Indeed it is not even discreet event but an
ongoing process that will likely continue my entire life. But then again,
you apparently have the same thing to do with your notions of the
Universe.
Fred Hoyle spent the better part of 20 years trying to find a way to show
that the Universe was infinite in both time and space and that Big Bang
Cosmology was bunk (indeed he created the term Big Bang to derride the
theory). In the end he had to acknowledge that the Big Bang and inflation
explained what we observe in the Universe far better than any other
existing cosmology. He continued to explore alternate hypothesis for the
rest of his life and never found another successful challenger. If Fred
Hoyle, who was an atheist and probably way smarter than either of us, was
unsuccessful then perhaps you should reconsider your own position on the
Universe.
--
Bill
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Liam _ wrote:
Fred Hoyle spent the better part of 20 years trying to find a way to show
that the Universe was infinite in both time and space and that Big Bang
Cosmology was bunk (indeed he created the term Big Bang to derride the
theory). In the end he had to acknowledge that the Big Bang and inflation
explained what we observe in the Universe far better than any other
existing cosmology. He continued to explore alternate hypothesis for the
rest of his life and never found another successful challenger.
--
Bill
-J-C-> Wrote:
What a pity... He never had a chance to meet *Gods Creator*
before he morphed into the infinite peace that's found only in;
*The Infinite Sleep of Death*
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/kevorkian/aboutk/art/god.gif
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