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18 Jul 2004 12:44:23 AM |
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Re: What form of matter will last the longest? |
"Rob Duncan" <robduncan@gbronline.com> wrote in
what a moron.
Herc
Charming.
you haven't seen sci.physics line up virgins at the shrine of empiricism
commanding their holy know it allness to computer scientists. computer
science is the only science that determines its own limits, so every upbeat
mathematician interprets this as science being encompassed by mathematics
and every witless physicist as physics encompassing science.
Herc
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| User: "Michael Varney" |
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18 Jul 2004 01:28:47 AM |
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"|-|erc" <gotch@beauty.com> wrote in message
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"Rob Duncan" <robduncan@gbronline.com> wrote in
what a moron.
Herc
Charming.
you haven't seen sci.physics line up virgins at the shrine of empiricism
commanding their holy know it allness to computer scientists. computer
science is the only science that determines its own limits, so every
upbeat
mathematician interprets this as science being encompassed by mathematics
and every witless physicist as physics encompassing science.
Hello crackpot.
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| User: "|-|erc" |
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18 Jul 2004 02:04:32 AM |
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"Michael Varney" <varney@colorado_no_spam.edu> wrote in
"Rob Duncan" <robduncan@gbronline.com> wrote in
what a moron.
Herc
Charming.
you haven't seen sci.physics line up virgins at the shrine of empiricism
commanding their holy know it allness to computer scientists. computer
science is the only science that determines its own limits, so every
upbeat
mathematician interprets this as science being encompassed by mathematics
and every witless physicist as physics encompassing science.
Hello crackpot.
its the crackkettle again.
Herc
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| User: "MorituriMax" |
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18 Jul 2004 04:50:54 AM |
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|-|erc wrote:
you haven't seen sci.physics line up virgins at the shrine of empiricism
commanding their holy know it allness to computer scientists. computer
science is the only science that determines its own limits, so every upbeat
mathematician interprets this as science being encompassed by mathematics
and every witless physicist as physics encompassing science.
Hello crackpot.
its the crackkettle again.
Well considering that what you said makes absolutely no fucking sense as well as
being non-physics related then you might want to try again..
...somewhere fucking else.
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| User: "|-|erc" |
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18 Jul 2004 05:38:18 AM |
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"MorituriMax" <newage@sendarico.net> wrote in
|-|erc wrote:
you haven't seen sci.physics line up virgins at the shrine of empiricism
commanding their holy know it allness to computer scientists. computer
science is the only science that determines its own limits, so every upbeat
mathematician interprets this as science being encompassed by mathematics
and every witless physicist as physics encompassing science.
Hello crackpot.
its the crackkettle again.
Well considering that what you said makes absolutely no fucking sense as well as
being non-physics related then you might want to try again..
..somewhere fucking else.
if its hitting that note with you then you understood it.
everyone in sci.math thinks maths is the superset of knowledge
everyone in sci.physics thinks physics is the superset of knowledge
get that far?
and you BOTH use the SAME trivial non computability proofs to continue your charades.
then you ALL lecture computer scientists what they are limited to know with your
puny comprehension of the matters.
i didn't mind when mathematicians posted in sci.math, and i didn't mind when
physisists posted in sci.physics, but now your breeding grounds of misinformation
are mature you're branching out and poluting usenet.
programmers made usenet, we made the universe you're just users and if you
go outside protocol your accounts will be terminated. a word said in just is often true.
Herc
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| User: "tadchem" |
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18 Jul 2004 02:27:41 PM |
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"|-|erc" <gotch@beauty.com> wrote in message
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<snip>
everyone in sci.math thinks maths is the superset of knowledge
everyone in sci.physics thinks physics is the superset of knowledge
Herc, I suspect you may be over-generalizing and oversimplifying.
Each group is comfortable with knowledge within its own demesne (trying to
avoid confusion over the word "domain," which has specific technical
definitions within each field of study).
The set of mathematical knowledge is not the same as the set of physical
knowledge, as the very definitions of the word "knowledge" differ between
the fields. The difference is in the criteria for testing knowledge for
validity - mathematical knowledge must be proven by logical techniques,
while physical knowledge must be validated by empirical techniques.
Philosophers (especially epistemologists) are (or should be) aware of the
fact that much confusion arises over semantics, wherein various participants
in a debate are using the same words differently, and will therefore *never*
come to agreement until the definitions are clarified and agreeable
terminology can be used. In my own sophomore epistemology class I
identified seven distinct definitions of the English word "knowledge" used
by 20th century philosophers and determined that they were functions of
language - the several concepts translated into distinct and different words
when the discussion was presented in German.
Reasonable and well-informed practitioners in both fields are aware of these
differences and do not have a problem with that.
Unfortunately there are also *un*reasonable and *ill*-informed practitioners
in both fields.
Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA
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| User: "|-|erc" |
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18 Jul 2004 07:08:11 PM |
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"tadchem" <tadchemNOSPAM@comcast.net> wrote in
"|-|erc" <gotch@beauty.com> wrote in message
<snip>
everyone in sci.math thinks maths is the superset of knowledge
everyone in sci.physics thinks physics is the superset of knowledge
Herc, I suspect you may be over-generalizing and oversimplifying.
Each group is comfortable with knowledge within its own demesne (trying to
avoid confusion over the word "domain," which has specific technical
definitions within each field of study).
The set of mathematical knowledge is not the same as the set of physical
knowledge, as the very definitions of the word "knowledge" differ between
the fields. The difference is in the criteria for testing knowledge for
validity - mathematical knowledge must be proven by logical techniques,
while physical knowledge must be validated by empirical techniques.
Philosophers (especially epistemologists) are (or should be) aware of the
fact that much confusion arises over semantics, wherein various participants
in a debate are using the same words differently, and will therefore *never*
come to agreement until the definitions are clarified and agreeable
terminology can be used. In my own sophomore epistemology class I
identified seven distinct definitions of the English word "knowledge" used
by 20th century philosophers and determined that they were functions of
language - the several concepts translated into distinct and different words
when the discussion was presented in German.
Reasonable and well-informed practitioners in both fields are aware of these
differences and do not have a problem with that.
Unfortunately there are also *un*reasonable and *ill*-informed practitioners
in both fields.
just a b or c is fine thankyou
a computer science
b physics
c mathematics
Herc
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| User: "Michael Varney" |
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18 Jul 2004 08:56:34 AM |
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"|-|erc" <gotch@beauty.com> wrote in message
news:uqsKc.6009$K53.2828@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
"MorituriMax" <newage@sendarico.net> wrote in
|-|erc wrote:
you haven't seen sci.physics line up virgins at the shrine of
empiricism
commanding their holy know it allness to computer scientists.
computer
science is the only science that determines its own limits, so every
upbeat
mathematician interprets this as science being encompassed by
mathematics
and every witless physicist as physics encompassing science.
Hello crackpot.
its the crackkettle again.
Well considering that what you said makes absolutely no fucking sense as
well as
being non-physics related then you might want to try again..
..somewhere fucking else.
if its hitting that note with you then you understood it.
everyone in sci.math thinks maths is the superset of knowledge
everyone in sci.physics thinks physics is the superset of knowledge
get that far?
and you BOTH use the SAME trivial non computability proofs to continue
your charades.
then you ALL lecture computer scientists what they are limited to know
with your
puny comprehension of the matters.
i didn't mind when mathematicians posted in sci.math, and i didn't mind
when
physisists posted in sci.physics, but now your breeding grounds of
misinformation
are mature you're branching out and poluting usenet.
programmers made usenet, we made the universe you're just users and if you
go outside protocol your accounts will be terminated. a word said in just
is often true.
You are an idiot.
Were it not for people understanding physics, the computer you are using
would not exist.
FYI, it was an physicist who invented Usenet.
And a physicist who invented hypertext, thus html, thus web pages.
Most of the early protocols were invented by physicists.
Many of the protocols currently in use were invented by physicists.
Most of the greats in the history of computer "science" were physicists.
Guess who invented the first video game? A physicist.
The list could go on and on and on...
*smirk*
http://www.sacpcug.org/archives/0107/niobits.html
http://hhd.csun.edu/shelia/391/secure/3910302.html
http://ben.home.cern.ch/ben/TCPHIST.html
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| User: "|-|erc" |
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18 Jul 2004 07:09:06 PM |
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Michael Varney" <varney@colorado_no_spam.edu> wrote
"|-|erc" <gotch@beauty.com> wrote in message
"MorituriMax" <newage@sendarico.net> wrote in
|-|erc wrote:
you haven't seen sci.physics line up virgins at the shrine of
empiricism
commanding their holy know it allness to computer scientists.
computer
science is the only science that determines its own limits, so every
upbeat
mathematician interprets this as science being encompassed by
mathematics
and every witless physicist as physics encompassing science.
Hello crackpot.
its the crackkettle again.
Well considering that what you said makes absolutely no fucking sense as
well as
being non-physics related then you might want to try again..
..somewhere fucking else.
if its hitting that note with you then you understood it.
everyone in sci.math thinks maths is the superset of knowledge
everyone in sci.physics thinks physics is the superset of knowledge
get that far?
and you BOTH use the SAME trivial non computability proofs to continue
your charades.
then you ALL lecture computer scientists what they are limited to know
with your
puny comprehension of the matters.
i didn't mind when mathematicians posted in sci.math, and i didn't mind
when
physisists posted in sci.physics, but now your breeding grounds of
misinformation
are mature you're branching out and poluting usenet.
programmers made usenet, we made the universe you're just users and if you
go outside protocol your accounts will be terminated. a word said in just
is often true.
You are an idiot.
Were it not for people understanding physics, the computer you are using
would not exist.
FYI, it was an physicist who invented Usenet.
And a physicist who invented hypertext, thus html, thus web pages.
Most of the early protocols were invented by physicists.
Many of the protocols currently in use were invented by physicists.
Most of the greats in the history of computer "science" were physicists.
Guess who invented the first video game? A physicist.
The list could go on and on and on...
*smirk*
This post was semi in jest as I've already said. I didn't really think people
were hailing physics as the new allmighty, just goes to show.
back later when I"ve finished laughing
Herc
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| User: "Michael Varney" |
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18 Jul 2004 07:18:38 PM |
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"|-|erc" <gotch@beauty.com> wrote in message
news:CiEKc.6974$K53.3363@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Michael Varney" <varney@colorado_no_spam.edu> wrote
"|-|erc" <gotch@beauty.com> wrote in message
"MorituriMax" <newage@sendarico.net> wrote in
|-|erc wrote:
you haven't seen sci.physics line up virgins at the shrine of
empiricism
commanding their holy know it allness to computer scientists.
computer
science is the only science that determines its own limits, so
every
upbeat
mathematician interprets this as science being encompassed by
mathematics
and every witless physicist as physics encompassing science.
Hello crackpot.
its the crackkettle again.
Well considering that what you said makes absolutely no fucking
sense as
well as
being non-physics related then you might want to try again..
..somewhere fucking else.
if its hitting that note with you then you understood it.
everyone in sci.math thinks maths is the superset of knowledge
everyone in sci.physics thinks physics is the superset of knowledge
get that far?
and you BOTH use the SAME trivial non computability proofs to continue
your charades.
then you ALL lecture computer scientists what they are limited to know
with your
puny comprehension of the matters.
i didn't mind when mathematicians posted in sci.math, and i didn't
mind
when
physisists posted in sci.physics, but now your breeding grounds of
misinformation
are mature you're branching out and poluting usenet.
programmers made usenet, we made the universe you're just users and if
you
go outside protocol your accounts will be terminated. a word said in
just
is often true.
You are an idiot.
Were it not for people understanding physics, the computer you are using
would not exist.
FYI, it was an physicist who invented Usenet.
And a physicist who invented hypertext, thus html, thus web pages.
Most of the early protocols were invented by physicists.
Many of the protocols currently in use were invented by physicists.
Most of the greats in the history of computer "science" were physicists.
Guess who invented the first video game? A physicist.
The list could go on and on and on...
*smirk*
This post was semi in jest as I've already said. I didn't really think
people
were hailing physics as the new allmighty, just goes to show.
back later when I"ve finished laughing
Nice backpedal there.
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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18 Jul 2004 07:35:33 PM |
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Michael Varney wrote:
"|-|erc" <gotch@beauty.com> wrote in message
news:CiEKc.6974$K53.3363@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Michael Varney" <varney@colorado_no_spam.edu> wrote
"|-|erc" <gotch@beauty.com> wrote in message
"MorituriMax" <newage@sendarico.net> wrote in
|-|erc wrote:
Ignorant trolling idiot Herc.
Hastelloy C-2000 (Haynes International, Inc.) Ain't near nothin'
chemical in the world what hits it. The easiest way to fire an
analytical tech is to give him a C-2000 coupon to dissolve. Good
luck, buddy.
<http://www.haynesintl.com/C2000alloy/C2000folder.htm>
<http://members.rogers.com/acidmanual/materials_metals_c2000.htm>
http://www.haynesintl.com/pdf/h2111.pdf>
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "|-|erc" |
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18 Jul 2004 07:39:42 PM |
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"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in
Michael Varney wrote:
"|-|erc" <gotch@beauty.com> wrote in message
news:CiEKc.6974$K53.3363@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Michael Varney" <varney@colorado_no_spam.edu> wrote
"|-|erc" <gotch@beauty.com> wrote in message
"MorituriMax" <newage@sendarico.net> wrote in
|-|erc wrote:
Ignorant trolling idiot Herc.
Hastelloy C-2000 (Haynes International, Inc.) Ain't near nothin'
chemical in the world what hits it. The easiest way to fire an
analytical tech is to give him a C-2000 coupon to dissolve. Good
luck, buddy.
you beat me to adding alt.morons to the list. look at all the physics quacks huddled together
just proving my point.
Herc
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| User: "MorituriMax" |
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18 Jul 2004 10:43:57 PM |
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Herc wrote:
you beat me to adding alt.morons to the list. look at all the physics quacks
huddled together
just proving my point.
There isn't any point to your existence, much less you having one.
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| User: "|-|erc" |
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18 Jul 2004 10:56:50 PM |
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"MorituriMax" <newage@sendarico.net> wrote in
Herc wrote:
you beat me to adding alt.morons to the list. look at all the physics quacks
huddled together
just proving my point.
There isn't any point to your existence, much less you having one.
yes there is
Herc
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| User: "Angelo" |
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19 Jul 2004 06:03:40 PM |
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Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message news:<40FB1755.82E84E8E@hate.spam.net>...
(snip higher levels)
Hastelloy C-2000 (Haynes International, Inc.) Ain't near nothin'
chemical in the world what hits it. The easiest way to fire an
analytical tech is to give him a C-2000 coupon to dissolve. Good
luck, buddy.
<http://www.haynesintl.com/C2000alloy/C2000folder.htm>
<http://members.rogers.com/acidmanual/materials_metals_c2000.htm>
http://www.haynesintl.com/pdf/h2111.pdf>
Yes, I see it hard for an analytical tech, as you say.
Anyway, from organic or inorganic point of view, it may come to
mind using superacids, i.e. FSO3H--SbF5--SO3 or
HF--SbF5, to cite the commonest (not for you Uncle Al, of course).
Don't you think they could dissolve such a coupon of C-2000 in
a reasonable time?
BTW, I have a conjecture I'd like to submit to your expert judging, as
follows. I've seen from NIST that electron affinities of the species
SbF6 (or SbF5-F) and AuF6 (or AuF5-F) amount, respectively, to 6
and 10 eV. So I thought that, in view of so much energy difference,
that a mix of AuF5 and HF (but don't know about the solubility)
should result in a much stronger superacid. This may be taken with
some confidence when realizing that extracting an electron (in the
gas phase) from HF has an enthalpic cost very close (within 0.1 eV)
to that for extracting a F(-) leaving a H(+). The latter, obviously,
would attach itself to another HF molecule, gaining about 5 eV of
proton affinity, plus a good deal of solvation energy.
I understand that the above may be rather vague considerations, but
I'm in a hurry at the moment and can't afford biblio-search for some
time. And sorry for my approximate English.
Best regards,
Angelo
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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19 Jul 2004 06:21:03 PM |
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Angelo wrote:
Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message news:<40FB1755.82E84E8E@hate.spam.net>...
(snip higher levels)
Hastelloy C-2000 (Haynes International, Inc.) Ain't near nothin'
chemical in the world what hits it. The easiest way to fire an
analytical tech is to give him a C-2000 coupon to dissolve. Good
luck, buddy.
<http://www.haynesintl.com/C2000alloy/C2000folder.htm>
<http://members.rogers.com/acidmanual/materials_metals_c2000.htm>
http://www.haynesintl.com/pdf/h2111.pdf>
Yes, I see it hard for an analytical tech, as you say.
Anyway, from organic or inorganic point of view, it may come to
mind using superacids, i.e. FSO3H--SbF5--SO3 or
HF--SbF5, to cite the commonest (not for you Uncle Al, of course).
Don't you think they could dissolve such a coupon of C-2000 in
a reasonable time?
No. Look at how the alloy was designed. Nothing hits it.
Acidity by itself doesn't do anything - it's the redox
potential. You might have some luck with a strongly coordinating
ligand and bubbling air through, maybe adding a catalytic redox
couple like Cu(I,II) or Fe(II,III), but I doubt it.
316SS is physically weak and chemically reactive, but it
withstands most everything anybody commonly throws at it. Heck,
6061-T6 aluminum is all over the place, and zinc-based pot
metal. They survive. Can you even begin to imagine what
Hastelloy C-2000 will withstand? It would be a superb grave
marker if you took care of the weight (hollowed, of course) with
a proper footing.
BTW, I have a conjecture I'd like to submit to your expert judging, as
follows. I've seen from NIST that electron affinities of the species
SbF6 (or SbF5-F) and AuF6 (or AuF5-F) amount, respectively, to 6
and 10 eV. So I thought that, in view of so much energy difference,
that a mix of AuF5 and HF (but don't know about the solubility)
should result in a much stronger superacid.
Kinda pricey and prone to irreversible reduction.
This may be taken with
some confidence when realizing that extracting an electron (in the
gas phase) from HF has an enthalpic cost very close (within 0.1 eV)
to that for extracting a F(-) leaving a H(+). The latter, obviously,
would attach itself to another HF molecule, gaining about 5 eV of
proton affinity, plus a good deal of solvation energy.
I understand that the above may be rather vague considerations, but
I'm in a hurry at the moment and can't afford biblio-search for some
time. And sorry for my approximate English.
PtF6 is another violently powerful electron sucker. Look what it
does to oxygen or xenon.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "Angelo" |
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20 Jul 2004 03:17:20 AM |
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Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message news:<40FC575F.4DEE8DE4@hate.spam.net>...
Angelo wrote:
Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message news:<40FB1755.82E84E8E@hate.spam.net>...
(snip higher levels)
Thanks alot for your answer!
(snip)
<http://www.haynesintl.com/C2000alloy/C2000folder.htm>
<http://members.rogers.com/acidmanual/materials_metals_c2000.htm>
http://www.haynesintl.com/pdf/h2111.pdf>
Yes, I see it hard for an analytical tech, as you say.
Anyway, from organic or inorganic point of view, it may come to
mind using superacids, i.e. FSO3H--SbF5--SO3 or
HF--SbF5, to cite the commonest (not for you Uncle Al, of course).
Don't you think they could dissolve such a coupon of C-2000 in
a reasonable time?
No. Look at how the alloy was designed. Nothing hits it.
I've seen the first two links you provided but, as far as I can remember
there are no test against superacids, hence my doubt.
Acidity by itself doesn't do anything - it's the redox
Ok, but a (solvatet) H(+) activity increase, also increases oxidizing
power. I think that when Hammet's H_0 goes significantly beyond
the values for the previously cited superacids, well, I begin to
seriously figure out a suitable container :-)
potential. You might have some luck with a strongly coordinating
ligand and bubbling air through, maybe adding a catalytic redox
couple like Cu(I,II) or Fe(II,III), but I doubt it.
Right, I recall these well thought strategies.
316SS is physically weak and chemically reactive, but it
Sorry, don't know about 316SS, nor other species you cite below,
but I trust you, of course.
withstands most everything anybody commonly throws at it. Heck,
6061-T6 aluminum is all over the place, and zinc-based pot
metal. They survive. Can you even begin to imagine what
Sorry again, (I told you about my level of English understanding)
I couldn't catch even a pale clue in the following sentence, after
the question mark, but I don't expect you bother to explain or
rephrase it, of course :-))
Hastelloy C-2000 will withstand? It would be a superb grave
marker if you took care of the weight (hollowed, of course) with
a proper footing.
(snip)
Kinda pricey and prone to irreversible reduction.
You are (obviously) right again, but after my 'BTW' I somewhat
stopped to consider price or other contingent (?) factors.
AuF5 in liquid HF (solubility allowing) may be operated at temps as
low as -84 Celsius, wherein (may be) the irreversible decomposition
could be frozen.
PtF6 is another violently powerful electron sucker. Look what it
does to oxygen or xenon.
I have to apologize: forgotten to say that during and after Ph.D I
worked in between inorganic and organometallic research field
(whereas before organic and ionic gas phase chemistry were the
main fields); so I know what a beast is PtF6 and its not so obvious
chemistry with the species you cite.
Thank you again for your attention,
Angelo
P.S. - All my best wishes for your very well thought Eotvos
experiment !
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| User: "Donald G. Shead" |
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19 Jul 2004 08:03:02 AM |
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Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message news:<40FB1755.82E84E8E@hate.spam.net>...
Michael Varney wrote:
"|-|erc" <gotch@beauty.com> wrote in message
news:CiEKc.6974$K53.3363@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Cut<
Ignorant trolling idiot Herc.
Hastelloy C-2000 (Haynes International, Inc.) Ain't near nothin'
chemical in the world what hits it. The easiest way to fire an
analytical tech is to give him a C-2000 coupon to dissolve. Good
luck, buddy.
Tell us oh great chemist: How long will that coupon last in one of
Hawkings black holes, or in God's sun;^?
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| User: "Mark Fergerson" |
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19 Jul 2004 02:55:37 AM |
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Uncle Al wrote:
Michael Varney wrote:
"|-|erc" <gotch@beauty.com> wrote in message
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Michael Varney" <varney@colorado_no_spam.edu> wrote
"|-|erc" <gotch@beauty.com> wrote in message
"MorituriMax" <newage@sendarico.net> wrote in
|-|erc wrote:
Ignorant trolling idiot Herc.
Hastelloy C-2000 (Haynes International, Inc.) Ain't near nothin'
chemical in the world what hits it. The easiest way to fire an
analytical tech is to give him a C-2000 coupon to dissolve. Good
luck, buddy.
<http://www.haynesintl.com/C2000alloy/C2000folder.htm>
<http://members.rogers.com/acidmanual/materials_metals_c2000.htm>
http://www.haynesintl.com/pdf/h2111.pdf>
"Green Death? Yeesh.
How does it like strong alkali solutions?
Mark L. Fergerson
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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19 Jul 2004 08:51:26 AM |
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Mark Fergerson wrote:
Uncle Al wrote:
Michael Varney wrote:
"|-|erc" <gotch@beauty.com> wrote in message
news:CiEKc.6974$K53.3363@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Michael Varney" <varney@colorado_no_spam.edu> wrote
"|-|erc" <gotch@beauty.com> wrote in message
"MorituriMax" <newage@sendarico.net> wrote in
|-|erc wrote:
Ignorant trolling idiot Herc.
Hastelloy C-2000 (Haynes International, Inc.) Ain't near nothin'
chemical in the world what hits it. The easiest way to fire an
analytical tech is to give him a C-2000 coupon to dissolve. Good
luck, buddy.
<http://www.haynesintl.com/C2000alloy/C2000folder.htm>
<http://members.rogers.com/acidmanual/materials_metals_c2000.htm>
http://www.haynesintl.com/pdf/h2111.pdf>
"Green Death? Yeesh.
How does it like strong alkali solutions?
RTFM. That is why I posted the links. Nothing hits C-2000.
NOTHING. Corrosion rates of mils/year in ridiculous
circumstances.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "Mark Fergerson" |
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19 Jul 2004 11:40:06 AM |
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Uncle Al wrote:
Mark Fergerson wrote:
Uncle Al wrote:
Michael Varney wrote:
"|-|erc" <gotch@beauty.com> wrote in message
news:CiEKc.6974$K53.3363@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Michael Varney" <varney@colorado_no_spam.edu> wrote
"|-|erc" <gotch@beauty.com> wrote in message
"MorituriMax" <newage@sendarico.net> wrote in
|-|erc wrote:
Ignorant trolling idiot Herc.
Hastelloy C-2000 (Haynes International, Inc.) Ain't near nothin'
chemical in the world what hits it. The easiest way to fire an
analytical tech is to give him a C-2000 coupon to dissolve. Good
luck, buddy.
<http://www.haynesintl.com/C2000alloy/C2000folder.htm>
<http://members.rogers.com/acidmanual/materials_metals_c2000.htm>
http://www.haynesintl.com/pdf/h2111.pdf>
"Green Death? Yeesh.
How does it like strong alkali solutions?
RTFM. That is why I posted the links. Nothing hits C-2000.
NOTHING. Corrosion rates of mils/year in ridiculous
circumstances.
I did. Description of resistance to many acids (who
messes with hydrobromic?) but no specific akalis, not even
plain old NaOH.
No mention of hard radiation resistance either, but I
s'pose that's cheating.
Mark L. Fergerson
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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19 Jul 2004 03:13:19 PM |
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Mark Fergerson wrote:
Uncle Al wrote:
Mark Fergerson wrote:
Uncle Al wrote:
Michael Varney wrote:
"|-|erc" <gotch@beauty.com> wrote in message
news:CiEKc.6974$K53.3363@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Michael Varney" <varney@colorado_no_spam.edu> wrote
"|-|erc" <gotch@beauty.com> wrote in message
"MorituriMax" <newage@sendarico.net> wrote in
|-|erc wrote:
Ignorant trolling idiot Herc.
Hastelloy C-2000 (Haynes International, Inc.) Ain't near nothin'
chemical in the world what hits it. The easiest way to fire an
analytical tech is to give him a C-2000 coupon to dissolve. Good
luck, buddy.
<http://www.haynesintl.com/C2000alloy/C2000folder.htm>
<http://members.rogers.com/acidmanual/materials_metals_c2000.htm>
http://www.haynesintl.com/pdf/h2111.pdf>
"Green Death? Yeesh.
How does it like strong alkali solutions?
RTFM. That is why I posted the links. Nothing hits C-2000.
NOTHING. Corrosion rates of mils/year in ridiculous
circumstances.
I did. Description of resistance to many acids (who
messes with hydrobromic?) but no specific akalis, not even
plain old NaOH.
No mention of hard radiation resistance either, but I
s'pose that's cheating.
Read the Haynes link better.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "Mark Fergerson" |
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| Title: Re: What form of matter will last the longest? |
20 Jul 2004 11:51:53 AM |
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Uncle Al wrote:
Mark Fergerson wrote:
Uncle Al wrote:
Mark Fergerson wrote:
Uncle Al wrote:
Michael Varney wrote:
"|-|erc" <gotch@beauty.com> wrote in message
news:CiEKc.6974$K53.3363@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Michael Varney" <varney@colorado_no_spam.edu> wrote
"|-|erc" <gotch@beauty.com> wrote in message
"MorituriMax" <newage@sendarico.net> wrote in
|-|erc wrote:
Ignorant trolling idiot Herc.
Hastelloy C-2000 (Haynes International, Inc.) Ain't near nothin'
chemical in the world what hits it. The easiest way to fire an
analytical tech is to give him a C-2000 coupon to dissolve. Good
luck, buddy.
<http://www.haynesintl.com/C2000alloy/C2000folder.htm>
<http://members.rogers.com/acidmanual/materials_metals_c2000.htm>
http://www.haynesintl.com/pdf/h2111.pdf>
"Green Death? Yeesh.
How does it like strong alkali solutions?
RTFM. That is why I posted the links. Nothing hits C-2000.
NOTHING. Corrosion rates of mils/year in ridiculous
circumstances.
I did. Description of resistance to many acids (who
messes with hydrobromic?) but no specific akalis, not even
plain old NaOH.
No mention of hard radiation resistance either, but I
s'pose that's cheating.
Read the Haynes link better.
I did, no help. Which tab?
Oh, and how about boiling Devil Solvent II? ;>)
Mark L. Fergerson
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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20 Jul 2004 01:28:50 PM |
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Mark Fergerson wrote:
Uncle Al wrote:
Mark Fergerson wrote:
Uncle Al wrote:
Mark Fergerson wrote:
Uncle Al wrote:
Michael Varney wrote:
"|-|erc" <gotch@beauty.com> wrote in message
news:CiEKc.6974$K53.3363@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Michael Varney" <varney@colorado_no_spam.edu> wrote
"|-|erc" <gotch@beauty.com> wrote in message
"MorituriMax" <newage@sendarico.net> wrote in
|-|erc wrote:
Ignorant trolling idiot Herc.
Hastelloy C-2000 (Haynes International, Inc.) Ain't near nothin'
chemical in the world what hits it. The easiest way to fire an
analytical tech is to give him a C-2000 coupon to dissolve. Good
luck, buddy.
<http://www.haynesintl.com/C2000alloy/C2000folder.htm>
<http://members.rogers.com/acidmanual/materials_metals_c2000.htm>
http://www.haynesintl.com/pdf/h2111.pdf>
"Green Death? Yeesh.
How does it like strong alkali solutions?
RTFM. That is why I posted the links. Nothing hits C-2000.
NOTHING. Corrosion rates of mils/year in ridiculous
circumstances.
I did. Description of resistance to many acids (who
messes with hydrobromic?) but no specific akalis, not even
plain old NaOH.
No mention of hard radiation resistance either, but I
s'pose that's cheating.
Read the Haynes link better.
I did, no help. Which tab?
Oh, and how about boiling Devil Solvent II? ;>)
Interesting question. Devil Solvent at temp eats copper, nickel,
nichrome, silver... I didn't try any Hastelloys because I found
an acceptable metal then stopped. Nope, I wouldn't give C-2000
good odds against Devil Solvent or its eutectic Devil Solvent II.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "David Petry" |
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20 Jul 2004 06:32:09 PM |
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Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote
Interesting question. Devil Solvent at temp eats copper, nickel,
nichrome, silver... I didn't try any Hastelloys because I found
an acceptable metal then stopped. Nope, I wouldn't give C-2000
good odds against Devil Solvent or its eutectic Devil Solvent II.
What is "Devil Solvent"? All links in Google on this topic
go back to you.
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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20 Jul 2004 08:22:46 PM |
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David Petry wrote:
Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote
Interesting question. Devil Solvent at temp eats copper, nickel,
nichrome, silver... I didn't try any Hastelloys because I found
an acceptable metal then stopped. Nope, I wouldn't give C-2000
good odds against Devil Solvent or its eutectic Devil Solvent II.
What is "Devil Solvent"? All links in Google on this topic
go back to you.
It's the only molten salt Uncle Al could identify in which
graphite violently reacts and diamond dust persists. The idea is
to do CVD diamond chemistry condensed phase, 1500 times the
density of Ar/H2/CH4 plasma, with a corresponding increase in
deposition rate. We do it Brad Pate's way. If it finally works
it will be an awesomely clever implementation. I think we have
the bugs out, finally.
The first Devil Solvent run was conducted in a 0.25" thick
densified graphite crucible. A quarter cup of the stuff went
through the graphite, through about 1.5 inches of fire brick,
through the desk top, through two shelves, and made a respectible
run at the cement slab floor. "Emission of visible plume"
Management, "Hey Al, you could have tunneled to China!"
Uncle Al, "Nah. It would have exploded at the water table."
It's nothing a barrier-coated Parr reactor can't handle. We did
have something of a time finding someboody who could weld the
inch-thick reactor head. Parr wanted none of it.
If Uncle Al was not being eaten alive by 38 species of mosquitoes
at the University of Manitoba while sodomizing roaches, he'd be
running the thing right now. The world will have to wait,
because Management is stooopid. (The potato salad at the Pembina
Hall servery is world class. It would sit proudly in any New
York Deli. Manitoba is Ukrainian Russians. Ukrainian young
women will make your breath catch in your throat and your eyes
mist over they are so beautiful - even better from the front.
Then they turn 30 and molt into monsters.)
(Everything in Winnipeg is named "Pembina." I understand it is a
virulent STD passed between poultry and farmers.)
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "Rob Duncan" |
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21 Jul 2004 02:13:21 AM |
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"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote
The first Devil Solvent run was conducted in a 0.25" thick
densified graphite crucible. A quarter cup of the stuff went
through the graphite, through about 1.5 inches of fire brick,
through the desk top, through two shelves, and made a respectible
run at the cement slab floor. "Emission of visible plume"
Uncle Al
Sounds like some rightous stuff.
Rob
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| User: "tadchem" |
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21 Jul 2004 12:31:06 AM |
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"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:40FDC566.56A5CF1F@hate.spam.net...
David Petry wrote:
<snip>
What is "Devil Solvent"? All links in Google on this topic
go back to you.
It's the only molten salt Uncle Al could identify in which
graphite violently reacts and diamond dust persists. The idea is
to do CVD diamond chemistry condensed phase, 1500 times the
density of Ar/H2/CH4 plasma, with a corresponding increase in
deposition rate. We do it Brad Pate's way. If it finally works
it will be an awesomely clever implementation. I think we have
the bugs out, finally.
The first Devil Solvent run was conducted in a 0.25" thick
densified graphite crucible. A quarter cup of the stuff went
through the graphite, through about 1.5 inches of fire brick,
through the desk top, through two shelves, and made a respectible
run at the cement slab floor. "Emission of visible plume"
<snip>
Hello, Al.
Impressive. I used to work with antimony chlorides - the pentachloride is a
liquid superacid at room temp, a very strong oxidizer, a good source of Cl-
ligand for complexing metal ions, and hydrolyzes in air to yield HCl, Cl2
and SbOCl. Sort of an anhydrous aqua regia on steroids.
If the stuff wasn't kept scrupulously dry, it would eat through steel
(carbon, stainless, whatever). Out batch reactor was Monel and had to be
replaced after a water-cooled condensor leaked into the pot, corroding it
severely - the plant was shut down for months! When reprocessing SbCl5 that
had been used in making CFC 143, the material was especially nasty due to
excess fluoride - *that* stuff ate through our *glassware* when we were
running corrosion tests - never mind the SS and Monel coupons. Corrosions
rates in hundreds of microns per year were common.
We never tested Hastelloys, probably because management felt that 10,000
pound capacity reactors would be prohibitively expensive.
So what is "Devil Solvent" composed of?
Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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21 Jul 2004 09:11:36 AM |
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tadchem wrote:
"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:40FDC566.56A5CF1F@hate.spam.net...
David Petry wrote:
<snip>
What is "Devil Solvent"? All links in Google on this topic
go back to you.
It's the only molten salt Uncle Al could identify in which
graphite violently reacts and diamond dust persists. The idea is
to do CVD diamond chemistry condensed phase, 1500 times the
density of Ar/H2/CH4 plasma, with a corresponding increase in
deposition rate. We do it Brad Pate's way. If it finally works
it will be an awesomely clever implementation. I think we have
the bugs out, finally.
The first Devil Solvent run was conducted in a 0.25" thick
densified graphite crucible. A quarter cup of the stuff went
through the graphite, through about 1.5 inches of fire brick,
through the desk top, through two shelves, and made a respectible
run at the cement slab floor. "Emission of visible plume"
<snip>
Hello, Al.
Impressive. I used to work with antimony chlorides - the pentachloride is a
liquid superacid at room temp, a very strong oxidizer, a good source of Cl-
ligand for complexing metal ions, and hydrolyzes in air to yield HCl, Cl2
and SbOCl. Sort of an anhydrous aqua regia on steroids.
If the stuff wasn't kept scrupulously dry, it would eat through steel
(carbon, stainless, whatever). Out batch reactor was Monel and had to be
replaced after a water-cooled condensor leaked into the pot, corroding it
severely - the plant was shut down for months! When reprocessing SbCl5 that
had been used in making CFC 143, the material was especially nasty due to
excess fluoride - *that* stuff ate through our *glassware* when we were
running corrosion tests - never mind the SS and Monel coupons. Corrosions
rates in hundreds of microns per year were common.
We never tested Hastelloys, probably because management felt that 10,000
pound capacity reactors would be prohibitively expensive.
So what is "Devil Solvent" composed of?
Read the patent if and when, or if it thoroughly bombs in the
next run of trials I'll post it. You will not believe it - and
it will be awesome in the impact of its inevitable necessity.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "Noodles" |
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21 Jul 2004 12:09:11 PM |
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"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:40FDC566.56A5CF1F@hate.spam.net...
David Petry wrote:
Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote
Interesting question. Devil Solvent at temp eats copper, nickel,
nichrome, silver... I didn't try any Hastelloys because I found
an acceptable metal then stopped. Nope, I wouldn't give C-2000
good odds against Devil Solvent or its eutectic Devil Solvent II.
What is "Devil Solvent"? All links in Google on this topic
go back to you.
It's the only molten salt Uncle Al could identify in which
graphite violently reacts and diamond dust persists. The idea is
to do CVD diamond chemistry condensed phase, 1500 times the
density of Ar/H2/CH4 plasma, with a corresponding increase in
deposition rate. We do it Brad Pate's way. If it finally works
it will be an awesomely clever implementation. I think we have
the bugs out, finally.
The first Devil Solvent run was conducted in a 0.25" thick
densified graphite crucible. A quarter cup of the stuff went
through the graphite, through about 1.5 inches of fire brick,
through the desk top, through two shelves, and made a respectible
run at the cement slab floor. "Emission of visible plume"
umm Mon Oncle. What was the cup that held the Devil Solvent made of?
Noodles
KD is good food!
Management, "Hey Al, you could have tunneled to China!"
Uncle Al, "Nah. It would have exploded at the water table."
It's nothing a barrier-coated Parr reactor can't handle. We did
have something of a time finding someboody who could weld the
inch-thick reactor head. Parr wanted none of it.
If Uncle Al was not being eaten alive by 38 species of mosquitoes
at the University of Manitoba while sodomizing roaches, he'd be
running the thing right now. The world will have to wait,
because Management is stooopid. (The potato salad at the Pembina
Hall servery is world class. It would sit proudly in any New
York Deli. Manitoba is Ukrainian Russians. Ukrainian young
women will make your breath catch in your throat and your eyes
mist over they are so beautiful - even better from the front.
Then they turn 30 and molt into monsters.)
(Everything in Winnipeg is named "Pembina." I understand it is a
virulent STD passed between poultry and farmers.)
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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21 Jul 2004 01:10:00 PM |
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Noodles wrote:
"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:40FDC566.56A5CF1F@hate.spam.net...
David Petry wrote:
Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote
Interesting question. Devil Solvent at temp eats copper, nickel,
nichrome, silver... I didn't try any Hastelloys because I found
an acceptable metal then stopped. Nope, I wouldn't give C-2000
good odds against Devil Solvent or its eutectic Devil Solvent II.
What is "Devil Solvent"? All links in Google on this topic
go back to you.
It's the only molten salt Uncle Al could identify in which
graphite violently reacts and diamond dust persists. The idea is
to do CVD diamond chemistry condensed phase, 1500 times the
density of Ar/H2/CH4 plasma, with a corresponding increase in
deposition rate. We do it Brad Pate's way. If it finally works
it will be an awesomely clever implementation. I think we have
the bugs out, finally.
The first Devil Solvent run was conducted in a 0.25" thick
densified graphite crucible. A quarter cup of the stuff went
through the graphite, through about 1.5 inches of fire brick,
through the desk top, through two shelves, and made a respectible
run at the cement slab floor. "Emission of visible plume"
umm Mon Oncle. What was the cup that held the Devil Solvent made of?
0.25" thick densified graphite. The "cup" clearly refers to the
volume not its container. Do you want it in milliliters? 59 ml.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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