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Date: 25 Oct 2006 01:41:57 AM
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"Nancy" <heartforisrael@webtv.net>
No, you are of an uncircumcised heart. You are not for Israel. If you were,
you would not blaspheme against the great Joseph Smith, Jun., the greatest
Prophet of Israel after Jesus of Nazareth. Yea, Joseph the Seer is greater
than Moses the Prophet. All three practiced plural marriage, as did Father
Abraham. Sons of God, all, as are Art Bulla and Brigham Young. Their seed
must continue to all Eternity and the wicked that fight against God and His
anointed shall be destroyed in His own due time, as were Herod and many of
those who participated in the murders of Joseph and Hyrum Smith. You do kick
against the pricks and hurt no one but yourself.
17 And it shall come to pass, because of the wickedness of the world, that I
will take vengeance upon the wicked, for they will not repent; for the cup
of mine indignation is full; for behold, my blood shall not cleanse them if
they hear me not.
18 Wherefore, I the Lord God will send forth flies upon the face of the
earth, which shall take hold of the inhabitants thereof, and shall eat their
flesh, and shall cause maggots to come in upon them;
19 And their tongues shall be stayed that they shall not utter against me;
and their flesh shall fall from off their bones, and their eyes from their
sockets;
20 And it shall come to pass that the beasts of the forest and the fowls of
the air shall devour them up.
21 And the great and abominable church, which is the ***** of all the earth,
shall be cast down by devouring fire, according as it is spoken by the mouth
of Ezekiel the prophet, who spoke of these things, which have not come to
pass but surely must, as I live, for abominations shall not reign.
(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 29:17 - 21)
This "great and abominable church" is none other than the Mormon Church, or
what it has become, according to the Catholic pattern of apostasy.
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither [is that]
circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he [is] a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision [is that] of
the heart, in the spirit, [and] not in the letter; whose praise [is] not of
men, but of God.
(New Testament | Romans 2:28 - 29)
You are a female, but you can still be circumcised in the heart, if you want
it to be, because the Father will pour out His Spirit unto you, if you will
only let Him. I was circumcised in the flesh long ago, but what really
matters is that my heart be circumcised all the time, in order to endure to
the end.
17 The sacrifices of God [are] a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite
heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.
(Old Testament | Psalms 51:17)
Circumcision in the flesh was a law given to Father Abraham and his faithful
seed, foreshadowing the greater truth of being circumcised in the heart to
be found worthy to enter into the kingdom of God, yea the salvation of the
Great I Am.
9 ¶ And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou,
and thy seed after thee in their generations.
10 This [is] my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy
seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a
token of the covenant betwixt me and you.
12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man
child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with
money of any stranger, which [is] not of thy seed.
13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must
needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an
everlasting covenant.
14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not
circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my
covenant.
(Old Testament | Genesis 17:9 - 14)
8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy
communication out of your mouth.
9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his
deeds;
10 And have put on the new [man], which is renewed in knowledge after the
image of him that created him:
11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision,
Barbarian, Scythian, bond [nor] free: but Christ [is] all, and in all.
(New Testament | Colossians 3:8 - 11)
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Joseph Smith's Other Angelic Visitations


Mormons accept Joseph Smith's "First Vision" story. They accept his
angel Moroni story. But would they accept this if they knew about it?
If they knew, how many active Mormons would accept Smith's testimony
about an angel threatening him with a sword if he didn't secretly
practice polygamy?

The Prophet Art Bulla told me that this angel of the Lord was none other
than Father Abraham resurrected. I believe Joseph Smith and Art Bulla. As
many are aware, the patriarchal order of marriage is also known as the Law
of Abraham.
1 Am I not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord?
are not ye my work in the Lord?
2 If I be not an apostle unto others, yet doubtless I am to you: for the
seal of mine apostleship are ye in the Lord.
3 Mine answer to them that do examine me is this,
4 Have we not power to eat and to drink?
5 Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other
apostles, and [as] the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?
(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 9:1 - 5)
8 The Lord GOD which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I
gather [others] to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.
9 ¶ All ye beasts of the field, come to devour, [yea], all ye beasts in the
forest.
10 His watchmen [are] blind: they are all ignorant, they [are] all dumb
dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber.
11 Yea, [they are] greedy dogs [which] can never have enough, and they [are]
shepherds [that] cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every
one for his gain, from his quarter.
12 Come ye, [say they], I will fetch wine, and we will fill ourselves with
strong drink; and to morrow shall be as this day, [and] much more abundant.
(Old Testament | Isaiah 56:8 - 12)
16 Even so I will reveal all things unto those who receive my servants, and
those who receive my servants, yea even them who be true Mormons, shall
receive, even all things will I the Lord their God show unto them through
the medium of mine appointment which is it not after the Order of
Melchizedec, saith the Lord?
17 And those who receive even my servants in the flesh receive me, saith the
Lord, for he is that One prophesied that he should come unto thee, O Israel,
and all power is his in me, for are we not sons of God, saith the Lord?
18 And these things are to them who are full of humility and the devil
taketh advantage of the humble that they, even they are they not afraid of
being humble before me because of the trickery of the devil?
19 But ye must judge, saith the Lord, and by what judgment ye judge, that
shall ye receive.
20 Even so, I am Jesus of Nazereth who was slain for the sins of the world
and came unto mine own and mine own received me not.
21 Even so, I am he who should come, O Israel, and I dictate and shall it
not be done?
22 Even so. Amen, and glory be unto my Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost
which are one God, forever and ever. Amen.
Revelations of Jesus Christ 25:16-22
I testify that Jesus the Christ and Joseph Smith the Seer and Art Bulla the
One Mighty and Strong are the three Davidic servants prophesied in Isaiah
11. Amen.
1 Who is the Stem of Jesse spoken of in the 1st, 2d, 3d, 4th, and 5th verses
of the 11th chapter of Isaiah?
2 Verily thus saith the Lord: It is Christ.
3 What is the rod spoken of in the first verse of the 11th chapter of
Isaiah, that should come of the Stem of Jesse?
4 Behold, thus saith the Lord: It is a servant in the hands of Christ, who
is partly a descendant of Jesse as well as of Ephraim, or of the house of
Joseph, on whom there is laid much power.
5 What is the root of Jesse spoken of in the 10th verse of the 11th chapter?
6 Behold, thus saith the Lord, it is a descendant of Jesse, as well as of
Joseph, unto whom rightly belongs the priesthood, and the keys of the
kingdom, for an ensign, and for the gathering of my people in the last days.
7 Questions by Elias Higbee: What is meant by the command in Isaiah, 52d
chapter, 1st verse, which saith: Put on thy strength, O Zion-and what people
had Isaiah reference to?
8 He had reference to those whom God should call in the last days, who
should hold the power of priesthood to bring again Zion, and the redemption
of Israel; and to put on her strength is to put on the authority of the
priesthood, which she, Zion, has a right to by lineage; also to return to
that power which she had lost.
9 What are we to understand by Zion loosing herself from the bands of her
neck; 2d verse?
10 We are to understand that the scattered remnants are exhorted to return
to the Lord from whence they have fallen; which if they do, the promise of
the Lord is that he will speak to them, or give them revelation. See the
6th, 7th, and 8th verses. The bands of her neck are the curses of God upon
her, or the remnants of Israel in their scattered condition among the
Gentiles.
(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 113:1 - 10)
25 Yea, thus saith the Lord God of Art Bulla unto ye elders, priests,
teachers, that are in the midst of my people Israel, How is it that ye can
say who seeth us, or who knoweth us?
26 Therefore in that day, saith the Lord, all your tall buildings will I
cause that they shall tumble to the ground, saith the Lord, for thus in my
fury will I rend the earth saith the Lord, and I shall cause it to shake
that you abominations be covered that they no more come up before my face.
27 For in that day, saith the Lord, I, even I, who it is that speaketh unto
thee by the power of my Spirit, shall cause the mountains, which ye are so
fond of, that they shall become your enemies, that they shall rend
themselves and cover this people, that their abominations and their
bloodsheds and stonings, and their persecutions, and ostracisms, of my
servants shall no more come up before my face, and the pure in heart shall I
the Lord God go before them and to their rearward as Moses and the children
of Israel, by the hand of my servant who is mighty and strong in that day,
back to the land of their inheritance, and he, even he shall apportion their
inheritances by lots in that day, saith the Lord God of Joseph and Hyrum and
Brigham Young.
28 And the parable of the ten virgins, is it not fulfilled in your ears, by
these things, saith the Lord, among them who be Latter-Day-Saints?
29 And unto them who cling unto false prophets who be sons of Perdition, for
the sins which they have committed before me, shall ye any longer pollute my
holy land with your iniquities, saith the Lord?
30 Therefore weep and howl, O ye iniquitous, for the time speedily cometh
that I will purge you out of the land, saith the Lord, the Holy One of
Israel, even Jesus Christ, whom you have not known.
31 Even so, the Lord hath spoken it and so it must come to pass.
32 Even so. Amen, and glory be unto my Father forever and ever and his Lamb,
yea, the Lamb of God.
Revelations of Jesus Christ 31:25-32
56 And at that day, when I shall come in my glory, shall the parable be
fulfilled which I spake concerning the ten virgins.
57 For they that are wise and have received the truth, and have taken the
Holy Spirit for their guide, and have not been deceived-verily I say unto
you, they shall not be hewn down and cast into the fire, but shall abide the
day.
58 And the earth shall be given unto them for an inheritance; and they shall
multiply and wax strong, and their children shall grow up without sin unto
salvation.
59 For the Lord shall be in their midst, and his glory shall be upon them,
and he will be their king and their lawgiver.
(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 45:56 - 59)
Journal of Discourses, Vol.4, Pg.56, Brigham Young, September 21, 1856:
If my wife had borne me all the children that she ever would bare, the
celestial law would teach me to take young women that would have children.
Do you understand this? I have told you many times that there are
multitudes of pure and holy spirits waiting to take tabernacles, now what is
our duty?--to prepare tabernacles for them; to take a course that will not
tend to drive those spirits into the families of the wicked, where they will
be trained in wickedness, debauchery, and every species of crime. It is the
duty of every righteous man and woman to prepare tabernacles for all the
spirits they can; hence if my women leave, I will go and search up others
who will abide the celestial law, and let all I now have go where they
please; though I will send the Gospel to them.
This is the reason why the doctrine of plurality of wives was revealed, that
the noble spirits which are waiting for tabernacles might be brought forth.
If the men of the world were right, or if they were anywhere near right,
there might not be the necessity which there now is. But they are wholly
given up to idolatry, and to all manner of wickedness.
Sir Francis 'shakespeare' Bacon (New Atlantis):
.... And because propagation of families proceedeth from the nuptial
copulation, I desired to know of him what laws and customs they had
concerning marriage, and whether they kept marriage well, and whether they
were tied to one wife? For that where population is so much affected, and
such as with them it seemed to be, there is commonly permission of plurality
of wives.
To this he said: "... You shall understand that there is not under the
heavens so chaste a nation as this of Bensalem, nor so free from all
pollution or foulness. It is the virgin of the world.
"I have not read of any such chastity in any people as theirs. And their
usual saying is, that whosoever is unchaste cannot reverence himself; and
they say that the reverence of a man's self, is, next religion, the chiefest
bridle of all vices." ...
"They have also many wise and excellent laws touching marriage. They allow
no polygamy.
38 And as pertaining unto those things which are called by the children of
men, sexual, behold these things are the fountain of life, and if the
fountain be corrupted and they are put to an evil use, for lust or
gratification in a manner which is not pleasing unto me, for selfish carnal
use or unnatural use, saith the Lord, then the waters flowing from that
fountain contain that which produceth death and the seeds thereof.
39 But unto those who are obedient unto my law, which is after the Order of
an Endless Life, they shall enjoy the capacities which I the Lord God have
placed for this purpose within the breast of the man toward the woman, and
the woman toward the man, and are united by revelation and commandment from
me, by an holy ordinance which belongeth to the Priesthood, then their love
shall continue, and it shall never have an end, saith the Lord God of
Israel.
40 But to those who go on in the blindness of their minds and who it is
rebel against me in these things and become a law unto themselves and even
rejoice in these things and lift their heads in glorious wickedness in these
things, behold they shall be segregated, the man from the woman for
eternity, if they be resurrected, and they shall not have power from me to
associate, saith the Lord God, for shall I be mocked?
41 And so they shall be damned.
42 And this according to the laws which govern the Telestial kingdom which
is compared in the glory thereof to the stars.
43 And I saw that the number of the inhabitants of the Telestial world are
as numberless as the sands of the seashore in the number thereof.
44 And thus, those who seek their fulfillment contrary to my law, saith the
Lord, shall lose that prerogative which they think immune from my meddling,
saith the Lord, forever and ever, and the procreative capacity is it not
damned up, saith the Lord?
45 But unto those who seek my will according to my law shall have glory
added upon their heads and their love shall be unleashed that it shall be as
a mighty river which shall populate whole worlds from the expression
therefrom.
46 And their children are spirits, even as our Father, the Father of
Spirits, is he not glorious, saith the Lord God, and he is Eloheim.
47 And this according to the glory of the Celestial Kingdom, and it be that
the woman is more of spiritual and tender, more it is shall obtain this
resurrection that justice may have its sway, the Gods, even the Sons of God
shall have relations with women who are given him forever, saith the Lord of
hosts, and this is my law, yea that law which placed the Gods on high and
their glory is compared unto the sun at noonday.
Revelations of Jesus Christ 10:38-47
So, Nancy the Lady Writer (on Usenet who knows all about history, talking
about Virgin Mary, and is able to judge all men and women, who is or is not
afflicted with industrial disease) is cursed and Eliza Snow blessed of God.
For God is a God of Justice. Praised be the Lord of hosts and His Father
forever and ever. Amen.
37 For the Lord God will not be mocked, even in these things, for whatsoever
a man or woman shall sow, that shall he or she also reap.
Revelations of Jesus Christ 10:37
Dr. Samuel Johnson:
The condition of a young woman who has never thought or heard of any other
excellence than beauty, and whom the sudden blast of disease wrinkles in her
bloom, is indeed sufficiently calamitous. She is at once deprived of all
that gave her eminence or power; of all that elated her pride or animated
her activity; all that filled her days with pleasure and her nights with
hope; all that gave pleasure to the present hour or brightened her prospects
of futurity.
48 Thus it is that he that seeketh his life shall lose it, but he that
loseth his or her life and cross themselves in these things, for my sake,
shall gain Eternal Lives in the presence of our Father and our God, and
shall associate, the man with the woman, forever, and they shall have all
things given unto them, whether there be heights or thrones and
principalities in the Kingdom of our Father who is in heaven.
49 And again, this is the law which placed the Gods on high.
50 And this hath been done on worlds other than this one, the number of
which it is impossible that they should be numbered unto man.
51 For in this is the Father glorified, that his work may continue and the
increase of his kingdom there shall be no end.
52 And now who is it that shall deny these things, it would have been better
that they never had been born, for the Gods shall with vengeance preserve
righteousness in these things.
53 For these are they who do not inherit a kingdom of glory, but they shall
be cast into outer darkness where their worm dieth not, but they are Sons of
Perdition, who have denied the Holy Ghost and crucified the Lord unto
themselves afresh.
54 And the depth and intensity of their sufferings no man knoweth save he
shall be made a partaker thereof, saith the Lord.
55 Therefor it is my desire, saith the Lord, unto mine handmaiden Kimberly,
that ye fulfill the measure of thy creation, and deny darkness and error,
even in these things, and thy joy shall be full, even in these things.
56 For if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, for it is better that ye
enter into the kingdom of heaven halt and maimed than to be cast into
hellfire with two hands, saith the Lord.
57 For thus saith the Lord, whosoever denieth fathers, mothers, brother,
sister, or others, shall gain fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, and love
a hundred-fold in this world, and Eternal Lives in the world to come.
58 For this is life eternal, to know thee, the Only True God, and thy Sons
whom thou hast sent.
59 Even so, hearken unto me and obey, and I the Lord God shall lift thee up,
even as upon wings of eagles, and shall testify that these things are of me,
even Jesus, whom the world in it depravity and wickedness hateth.
60 Even so. Amen.
Revelations of Jesus Christ 10:48-60
71 And thus saith the Lord unto Anne, and thy sisters, who hearken and obey
my Priesthood, in thy heart ye think ye are above my law because of thy
beauty, but all are subject unto righteousness, from the greatest unto the
least and none are exempt, for I am more beauteous in my appearing than that
which is conceived in the heart of man, for I the Lord God in my glory am
greater and more abundantly alive and virile and beauteous than they all.
72 And all shall obey me through my priesthood or they shall be cut off, and
shall become ugly in that death, for they perish, for they have no power,
but are as the grass of field or the blossom which fadeth away and withereth
and dies.
73 For imagine a vain thing in which ye imagine ye are as the gods, above
the law.
74 How is it that ye are anything, saith the Lord, if ye die?
75 For how can a grape exist except that it should be connected to the vine?
76 And I the Lord God am the true vine, and every branch that abideth not in
me is cast away and withereth and is burned.
77 And my servant is the head of the vine for them on the earth, and ye
shall receive him or be cut off.
78 Even so. Amen.
Revelations of Jesus Christ 23:71-78
13 ¶ Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is]
the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto
life, and few there be that find it.
(New Testament | Matthew 7:13 - 14)
Eliza Snow (O My Father):
O my Father, thou that dwellest
In the high and glorious place,
When shall I regain thy presence,
And again behold thy face?
In thy holy habitation,
Did my spirit once reside?
In my first primeval childhood,
Was I nurtured near thy side?
For a wise and glorious purpose
Thou hast placed me here on earth,
And withheld the recollection
Of my former friends and birth.
Yet ofttimes a secret something
Whispered, "You're a stranger here."
And I felt that I had wandered
From a more exalted sphere.
I had learned to call thee Father,
Through thy Spirit from on high;
But until the key of knowledge
Was restored, I knew not why.
In the heavens are parents single?
No; the thought makes reason stare!
Truth is reason, truth eternal
Tells me I've a mother there.
When I leave this frail existence,
When I lay this mortal by,
Father, Mother, may I meet you
In your royal courts on high?
Then, at length, when I've completed
All you sent me forth to do,
With your mutual approbation
Let me come and dwell with you.


"The same God that has thus far dictated me and directed me and
strengthened me in this work, gave me this revelation and commandment on
celestial and plural marriage, and the same God commanded me to obey it.
He said to me that unless I accepted it, and introduced it, and
practiced it, I, together with my people would be damned and cut off
from this time henceforth. We have got to observe it. It is an eternal
principle and was given by way of commandment and not by way of
instruction."
- Prophet Joseph Smith, Contributor, Vol. 5, p. 259


"When that principle was revealed to the Prophet Joseph Smith ... he did
not falter, although it was not until an angel of God, with a drawn
sword, stood before him; and commanded that he should enter into the
practice of that principle, or he should be utterly destroyed, or
rejected, that he moved forward to reveal and establish that doctrine."
- Prophet Joseph F. Smith, "Plural Marriage for the Righteous
Only-Obedience Imperative-Blessings Resulting", Journal of Discourses,
Vol.20, p.28 - p.29


"Joseph was commanded to take more wives and he waited until an angel
with a drawn sword stood before him and declared that if he longer
delayed fulfilling that command he would slay him."
- Hyrum Smith, Elder Benjamin F. Johnson's Letter to George S. Gibbs,
1903


"I know whereon I stand, I know what I believe, I know what I know and I
know what I testify to you is the living truth. As I expect to meet it
at the bar of the eternal Jehovah, it is true. And when you stand before
the bar you will know. He preached polygamy and he not only preached it,
but he practiced it. I am a living witness to it. It was given to him
before he gave it to the Church. An angel came to him and the last time
he came with a drawn sword in his hand and told Joseph if he did not go
into that principle, he would slay him."
- Sister Mary Lightner, Address to Brigham Young University, April 14th,
1905, BYU Archives and Manuscripts
Also See:

http://www.ldshistory.net/pc/merlbyu.htm

(Mary Lightner was already married)



"His brother, Hyrum, said to me, "Now, Brother Benjamin, you know that
Brother Joseph would not sanction this if it was not from the Lord. The
Lord revealed this to Brother Joseph long ago, and he put it off until
the Angel of the Lord came to him with a drawn sword and told him that
he would be slain if he did not go forth and fulfill the law." He told
my sister to have no fears, and he there and then sealed my sister,
Almira, to the Prophet."

"Soon after this he was at my house again, where he occupied my Sister
Almira's room and bed, and also asked me for my youngest sister, Esther
M. I told him she was promised in marriage to my wife's brother. He
said, "Well, let them marry, for it will all come right.""
- Elder Benjamin F. Johnson, My Life's Review


"He there and then explained to me the doctrine of plurality of wives;
he said that the Lord had revealed it unto him, and commanded him to
have women sealed to him as wives; that he foresaw the trouble that
would follow, and sought to turn away from the commandment; that an
angel from heaven then appeared before him with a drawn sword,
threatening him with destruction unless he went forward and obey the
commandment."


"He further said that my sister, Eliza R. Snow, had been sealed to him
as his wife for time and eternity. He told me that the Lord would open
the way, and I should have women sealed to me as wives. This
conversation was prolonged, I think, one hour or more, in which he told
me many important things."


"I solemnly declare before God and holy angels, and as I hope to come
forth in the morning of the resurrection, that the above statement is
true."
- Prophet Lorenzo R. Snow, sworn affidavit.

Also See:

http://www.mormons.org.uk/celest.htm


"19 year-old Zina remained conflicted until a day in October,
apparently, when Joseph sent [her older brother] Dimick to her with a
message: an angel with a drawn sword had stood over Smith and told him
that if he did not establish polygamy, he would lose "his position and
his life." Zina, faced with the responsibility for his position as
prophet, and even perhaps his life, finally acquiesced." (In Sacred
Loneliness, page 80-81)

(Zina was also married to another man)

Some questions to ponder:


Did Smith's free agency matter to God?

The Lord apprised Joseph through one of His Archangels Abraham what the
consequence would be for exercising his free agency to disobey. The
interview was a fearful experience, other than the fact that the Lord God of
Israel loved Joseph Smith enough to chastise him in that manner. Joseph was
faithful and intelligent and valiant enough to obey. Many others, if in his
shoes, actually would not have obeyed, fearing man more than God. That is
why Joseph Smith is Joseph Smith, a son of God.


Why didn't the angels appear to anyone but Smith (i.e. the women)?

In response to your question, the Spirit of the Lord directed me yesterday
to quote this from the Book of Mormon, concerning the three translated
Nephites (of the tribe of Manasseh, Ephraim's brother):
25 Behold, I was about to write the names of those who were never to taste
of death, but the Lord forbade; therefore I write them not, for they are hid
from the world.
26 But behold, I have seen them, and they have ministered unto me.
27 And behold they will be among the Gentiles, and the Gentiles shall know
them not.
28 They will also be among the Jews, and the Jews shall know them not.
29 And it shall come to pass, when the Lord seeth fit in his wisdom that
they shall minister unto all the scattered tribes of Israel, and unto all
nations, kindreds, tongues and people, and shall bring out of them unto
Jesus many souls, that their desire may be fulfilled, and also because of
the convincing power of God which is in them.
30 And they are as the angels of God, and if they shall pray unto the
Father in the name of Jesus they can show themselves unto whatsoever man it
seemeth them good.
(Book of Mormon | 3 Nephi 28:25 - 30)
I solemnly attest that one of these three Nephites did visit me unawares in
2002. I also testify that the same Spirit of the Lord has witnessed to me
that Art Bulla did meet the translated John the Revelator (unawares at that
time in 1969). Art Bulla dealt with another angel of the Lord, several years
after his vision of the third heaven and Christ, and while still in the
Mormon Church. That man may well have been one of the three Nephites.
Therefore, I have faith that all things are possible with God, in His own
time, in His own way.
2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained
angels unawares.
(New Testament | Hebrews 13:2)
The privilege of beholding and conversing with the Archangel Abraham is a
great responsibility and one ought not ask for things one is not prepared
for.
1 And he said unto Moses, Come up unto the LORD, thou, and Aaron, Nadab, and
Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel; and worship ye afar off.
2 And Moses alone shall come near the LORD: but they shall not come nigh;
neither shall the people go up with him.
(Old Testament | Exodus 24:1 - 2)
God is over Christ, who is over man, who is over woman. No doubt a
translated Nephite visiting a woman is possible, according to the will of
Christ. Certainly it was a part of the calling of the Prophet Joseph Smith
to deal directly with one of the greatest angels of the Father and of the
Son. For Father Abraham is an embodiment of the holy doctrine of plural
marriage, even the Patriarchal Order of the Son of God.
Just as I know by the Spirit of revelation that man was an angel of God in
disguise (four times this has been manifested to me including once
yesterday, which was the second time that the Spirit revealed me that he was
a translated Nephite), to know if Joseph Smith was telling them the truth
concerning plural marriage, the women could only perceive the truth by the
same Spirit of revelation, even the Holy Ghost. That means they were
required to exercise their faith by purifying their hearts and inquiring of
the Father, even as young Joseph did in that forest just before receiving
his vision of the Father and of the Son. If a person is given too great a
manifestation, afterwards he or she is likely going to become very proud
about the experience, even though it was done by the will and power of God
and not by his or her own. Humility and sobriety at all times is extremely
important to enduring to the end. Therefore, it is a mercy of God not to
receive too great a manifestation while in the flesh, for Satan does
exceedingly tempt a man or a woman to become proud, as it happened to Oliver
Cowdery. As Brigham and Art have taught, it is best to follow the Spirit
until the perfect day. The hardest part of this godly labor has been done by
Jesus Christ, His Apostles, and their successors, even Joseph Smith and
Brigham Young and Art Bulla. Though you do not know everything now, if you
walk in pure faith, more knowledge will be given you by the power of the
Holy Ghost, if you will sincerely enter in at the gate of baptism. Endure
faithfully to the end in these the last days, and the promise of the Lord is
that you will escape the mark of the beast and the temptations thereof by
being translated to behold His face for yourself. So that, the Lord's yoke
is easy and His burden is light, as the Lord said. Remember that the most
difficult labors and troublesome temptations have already been borne by the
greatest of mankind, and we just have to follow their lead and bear only a
portion of what they had to endure, already possessing a great deal of the
Holy Scriptures. We read in the true record of Moses that the children of
Israel walked through the parted Red Sea and witnessed with their own
natural eyes a sure sign of the Almighty on top of Mount Sinai, but despite
these great things many of them apostatized in the matter of the golden calf
while Moses was away with the LORD forty days and forty nights. You and I
are same as they, both unstable creatures more easily subject to the
tempting power of Satan, so that we ought not ask for things we cannot
handle.
24 For all shall be revelators in the day when I come in clouds of glory to
their destruction, for they shall see signs in that day, but not unto their
salvation, saith the Lord God of Enoch.
Revelations of Jesus Christ 3:24


Did the women's free agency matter to Smith OR God?


Theoretically, wouldn't marrying ONE other woman "establish" the law of
plural marriage?


If Smith were sent to establish a law, why didn't he do any of it in the
light of day?


Why didn't he lawfully petition governments, argue before the judiciary,
and take care of some of the difficult footwork necessary in order to
establish the--let's use the word correctly now--law?


How can a father's salvation be assured through a daughter's marriage to
Smith,
(such as Kimball's and Whitney's daughters)
if we also hold the Articles of Faith to be true...?


Smith foresaw the trouble polygamy would cause, but the Lord giving the
commandment didn't?

Of course the Lord foresaw the trials and tribulations of His people Israel.
29 ¶ Then Peter and the [other] apostles answered and said, We ought to obey
God rather than men.
(New Testament | Acts 5:29)
6 ... I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him
that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he
shall be my son.
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and
whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their
part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second
death.
(New Testament | Revelation 21:6 - 8)
30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance [belongeth] unto me, I will
recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31 [It is] a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
(New Testament | Hebrews 10:30 - 31)
1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of
witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily
beset [us], and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of [our] faith; who for the joy
that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set
down at the right hand of the throne of God.
3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against
himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto
children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint
when thou art rebuked of him:
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he
receiveth.
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son
is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye
bastards, and not sons.
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected [us], and we
gave [them] reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the
Father of spirits, and live?
10 For they verily for a few days chastened [us] after their own pleasure;
but he for [our] profit, that [we] might be partakers of his holiness.
11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous:
nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto
them which are exercised thereby.
12 Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees;
13 And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned
out of the way; but let it rather be healed.
14 Follow peace with all [men], and holiness, without which no man shall see
the Lord:
15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root
of bitterness springing up trouble [you], and thereby many be defiled;
16 Lest there [be] any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one
morsel of meat sold his birthright.
17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the
blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he
sought it carefully with tears.
18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned
with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,
19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which [voice] they
that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:
20 (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a
beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:
21 And so terrible was the sight, [that] Moses said, I exceedingly fear and
quake:)
22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the
heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in
heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made
perfect,
24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of
sprinkling, that speaketh better things than [that of] Abel.
25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who
refused him that spake on earth, much more [shall not] we [escape], if we
turn away from him that [speaketh] from heaven:
26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet
once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
27 And this [word], Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things
that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot
be shaken may remain.
28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have
grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
29 For our God [is] a consuming fire.
(New Testament | Hebrews 12:1 - 29)
Journal of Discourses, Vol.9, Pg.371 - Pg.372, Heber C. Kimball, February 9,
1862:
Jesus says, "I am the way, the truth and light; and I and my Father are
one." On one occasion the widow came and begged that her two sons who were
with Jesus might sit one at his right hand and the other at his left, and
Jesus asked her if they could walk with him in the regeneration, for said
he, "Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be
baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with." Those who can walk with
Jesus in the regeneration now, will receive the great blessings that are
promised to all the faithful children of God. What is regeneration? It is
a cleansing, purifying process, by which persons are enabled to advance in
the knowledge of God and grow stronger in the principles of eternal life, to
become better, more truthful, more worthy of a benefactor's blessing. Then,
we may ask, what is degeneration? It is departing from the good old way,
imbibing evil, becoming impregnated with falsehood and all other evils that
are calculated to produce a deterioration in both the body and spirit of
man.
4 For since the beginning of the world [men] have not heard, nor perceived
by the ear, neither hath the eye seen, O God, beside thee, [what] he hath
prepared for him that waiteth for him.
(Old Testament | Isaiah 64:4)
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have
entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them
that love him.
10 But God hath revealed [them] unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit
searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is
in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which
is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth,
but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with
spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for
they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are
spiritually discerned.
(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 2:9 - 14)

And would an absolute moral God ask anyone to take another man's wife?
Ask yourself these things!

http://www.i4m.com/think/history/angel_sword.htm

35 And ye shall be tried even as was Abraham and Sarah in these things; for,
saith the Lord, how can ye receive of their reward save it be by my law?
36 For all who cannot abide my law, saith the Lord, and come ye out of
Babylon which is fallen cannot be preserved and sanctified by the same and
must perish.
Revelations of Jesus Christ 1:35-36
17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had
received the promises offered up his only begotten [son],
18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
19 Accounting that God [was] able to raise [him] up, even from the dead;
from whence also he received him in a figure.
20 By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come.
21 By faith Jacob, when he was a dying, blessed both the sons of Joseph; and
worshipped, [leaning] upon the top of his staff.
22 By faith Joseph, when he died, made mention of the departing of the
children of Israel; and gave commandment concerning his bones.
23 By faith Moses, when he was born, was hid three months of his parents,
because they saw [he was] a proper child; and they were not afraid of the
king's commandment.
24 By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son
of Pharaoh's daughter;
25 Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to
enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;
26 Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in
Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.
27 By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he
endured, as seeing him who is invisible.
28 Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he
that destroyed the firstborn should touch them.
29 By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry [land]: which the
Egyptians assaying to do were drowned.
30 By faith the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about
seven days.
31 By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when
she had received the spies with peace.
32 And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon,
and [of] Barak, and [of] Samson, and [of] Jephthae; [of] David also, and
Samuel, and [of] the prophets:
33 Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained
promises, stopped the mouths of lions,
34 Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of
weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the
armies of the aliens.
35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured,
not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:
36 And others had trial of [cruel] mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of
bonds and imprisonment:
37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with
the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute,
afflicted, tormented;
38 (Of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and [in]
mountains, and [in] dens and caves of the earth.
(New Testament | Hebrews 11:17 - 38)
25 ¶ And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto
them,
26 If any [man] come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife,
and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he
cannot be my disciple.
27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my
disciple.
28 For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and
counteth the cost, whether he have [sufficient] to finish [it]?
29 Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish
[it], all that behold [it] begin to mock him,
30 Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.
31 Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down
first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that
cometh against him with twenty thousand?
32 Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage,
and desireth conditions of peace.
33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath,
he cannot be my disciple.
34 ¶ Salt [is] good: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall
it be seasoned?
35 It is neither fit for the land, nor yet for the dunghill; [but] men cast
it out. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
(New Testament | Luke 14:25 - 35)
1 The mighty God, [even] the LORD, hath spoken, and called the earth from
the rising of the sun unto the going down thereof.
2 Out of Zion, the perfection of beauty, God hath shined.
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before
him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.
4 He shall call to the heavens from above, and to the earth, that he may
judge his people.
5 Gather my saints together unto me; those that have made a covenant with me
by sacrifice.
6 And the heavens shall declare his righteousness: for God [is] judge
himself. Selah.
(Old Testament | Psalms 50:1 - 6)
8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
(New Testament | Hebrews 13:8)
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a
thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh
upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you
as a thief.
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not
of the night, nor of darkness.
6 Therefore let us not sleep, as [do] others; but let us watch and be sober.
7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are
drunken in the night.
8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of
faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
(New Testament | 1 Thessalonians 5:2 - 8)
4 And again, verily I say unto you, the coming of the Lord draweth nigh, and
it overtaketh the world as a thief in the night-
5 Therefore, gird up your loins, that you may be the children of light, and
that day shall not overtake you as a thief.
(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 106:4 - 5)
35 Let your loins be girded about, and [your] lights burning;
36 And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will
return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open
unto him immediately.
37 Blessed [are] those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find
watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them
to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.
38 And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and
find [them] so, blessed are those servants.
39 And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the
thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to
be broken through.
40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye
think not.
(New Testament | Luke 12:35 - 40)
--
Jong Kim
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