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14 Oct 2005 12:15:40 AM |
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Regarding Stars & Constellations |
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RECENT THREADS ON the "extended zodiac", "special constellations"
etc, elicit a _factual_ reminder of how familiar iconic patterns
popularly attributed to the apparent positions of brighter fixed
stars visible in the night sky are referenced to the position of
planets in more readily-observable motion, and properly measured.
Most stars visible to the naked eye have relatively low, to very
low, proper motions, hence are called "fixed". By stark contrast,
the planets a.k.a. "stars" visible to the naked eye are readily
observed to be in motion over days, weeks, months, and years of
simple observations against the fixed stars a.k.a. distant suns.
Naturally, the planets local to our solar system are vastly more
important to astrologers than are the distant suns which enlight
reference to each planet's observed synodic motion (i.e., orbits
viewed from the Earth). The planets work together NOT separately.
It's the planets' collective positions to the Earth that matters,
not their positional caelestial coordinates against the backdrop
of the fixed stars; neither does the season of the tropical year
affect the planets' positions TO the Earth. Each of these three
very distinct references has its place in reality: the celestial
sphere, the tropical year and the planets' combined positions to
the Earth. The fixed stars mainly serve to determine the planets'
positions to the Earth. Whilst the tropical year serves to count
the twelve zodiacal months of each year which is bisected at its
equinoxes, and further quadrisected at its solstices in realtime.
E.g. consider how the tropical seasons affect our lives on Earth;
but don't get confused by it as Claudivs Ptolomaevs unwisely did.
Realize that the caelestial sphere is isotropic--the same in all
directions, generally speaking. A clear night sky is illuminated
as far as the unobstructed viewing eye can see, stars everywhere
you look! But because the planets of our solar system orbit with
the Sun approximately along our earth-sun plane, or ecliptic, it
is the most prominent and familiar constellations or grouping of
brighter stars in large formations (i.e. big asterisms) that are
best known by their zodiacal names Aries, Taurus, Gemini, Cancer,
Leo, Virgo, Libra, Scorpio, Sagittarius, Capricorn, Aquarius and
Pisces. In ancient times, these iconic starlight formations were
consistently referenced to "Aldebaranu"--the eye of the Bull--at
15 degrees Taurus. That's THE de facto standard in ancient times,
as with today given the Great Pyramid's reference to Orion's belt
at the end of Taurus: Alnitak (zeOri) near 30 Taurus -25 latitude.
Assuredly that longitude has remained fixed; but what of latitude,
not speaking of caelestial coordinates, but rather of terrestrial.
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You can argue all you want. But like the ancient maxim says, The
Pyramids don't fear Time but Time fears the Pyramids. Understand?
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Even so, the further-above or below the earth-sun ecliptic that
mythologically-named "constellations" or large asterisms appear,
then the less easily those stars are measured to bright marking
stars near the ecliptic--in terms of their caelestial longitude.
This is because the ecliptic slowly wobbles--so you do the math.
You can download accurate positions for all constellations here:
*The 12 Zodiacal Constellations On Earth's Caelestial Sphere (J2000):
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=9GZHKUQI37618.7441550926@Gilgamesh-frog.org
*The 88 I.A.U. "constellations" On Earth's Caelestial Sphere (J2000):
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=QLI405TN37618.7441203704@Gilgamesh-frog.org
For astrological purposes, such meticulous positional accuracy is
not needed. In ancient times, simply using extended hand-ruling
was sufficient to determine naked-eye visible planets' positions
in any clear evening, night or early morning sky--within a half
of a degree accuracy for novices, down to several arcminutes for
the best experts. But since modern ephemerides afford tolerances
down to milliarcseconds, that's what most modern astrologers use
in conjunction (pun) with modern, ultra-accurate star catalogues.
For an awakening primer on this, with step-by-step examples, see:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=CLKT217O38091.8202430556@Gilgamesh-Frog.org
Few modern astrologers ever actually practice hand measurements,
or even study the planets in the night sky--either using the un-
aided eye or through a telescope. This is because astronomy and
astrology, for the most part, parted ways several centuries ago.
Modern astronomers do the observing, predicting and calibrating,
whilst astrologers do their own thing--for better and for worse.
At least, we know that most visible stars are relatively "fixed"
with reference to the moment of rest galactic barycenter \sgrab
(for you astronomers), i.e. by comparison to the mobile planets
which observably orbit in repeating highly-predictable sidereal
and synodic cycles counting by days, weeks, months, years, with
periodical sidereal-synodic multiples overlapping (commensurate)
over centuries and millennia, as ancient Egypto-Babylonians and
Mayans observed and recorded (Greco-Romans were playing catchup).
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The fixed stars don't "move" on account of Earth's tropical year.
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Just as the stars appear to collectively move across a nights sky,
so too do the stars merely appear to move throughout the tropical
year with respect to Earth. What we're calling "stars" is really
the star-light reaching us from many lightyears distant which we
see here on Earth. Those distant suns, galaxies, nebula etc. are
each moving *relative* to everything else in the universe for a
whole myriad of astrophysical reasons vastly exceeding the scope
of this humble article and then some! So let's keep it pertinent
to astrologers for the sake of essential astrological discussion.
And if you want to learn basic astronomy *look* at the night sky!
In Vigilance,
Daniel Joseph Min
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x2B1CCFE7
*Download Min's Banned (Freeware) Books:
http://www.2hot2cool.com/11/danieljosephmin/
*Min's Google-Archived Home Page On The WWW:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=XJBDEJF138262.9022453704@anonymous.poster
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| User: "Robert J. Kolker" |
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| Title: Re: Regarding Stars & Constellations |
14 Oct 2005 12:59:02 AM |
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Anonymous wrote:
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You can argue all you want. But like the ancient maxim says, The
Pyramids don't fear Time but Time fears the Pyramids. Understand?
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It may take a hundred thousand years, but the sand laden winds of Egypt
will erode the pyramids to rubble piles.
When the Great Pyrameid of KooFoo was new it had a white limstone outer
covering. Where is it now. Either worn away or quaried. Eventually a
combination of erose and human quarying will eliminate the Great Pyramid.
Bob Kolker
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