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Topic: Science > Physics
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Date: 12 Jan 2006 02:27:14 AM
Object: revamping the teaching of the Calculus by using a geometrical explanation; Chord concept
I am guessing it was Fermat who came up with the chord concept to
obtain the slope of a arbitrary point on a smooth curve. Anyway, most
textbooks of Calculus omit the Chord concept and that is bad news
because the Chord concept is better than any algebraic concept to
understanding the derivative and how it is linked to the integral.
The old thread was getting too long and so this new thread.
I been meaning to ask a historical question about Newton and Leibniz
concerning the discovery of the Calculus. In Newton's Principia, if my
memory serves me, Newton made a mistake by calling energy as m*v, not
m*v^2. The v^2 is area and the integral is an area. And it was Leibniz
who claimed energy is m*v^2. So my question is, does this historical
facts indicate that Leibniz had a better grasp of the Calculus rather
than Newton's fluxions. Did Leibniz get the energy correct because of
Calculus?
So, now, what about 3rd dimension where a summation of cross-sections
of a object in 3rd dimension would be the volume of the object and so
the integral in 3rd dimension should be easy and strong, but now what
about derivative in 3rd dimension? If the integral is summation of
cross-sections what is the derivative? What is the generalization of a
chord in 3rd dimension.
So we seem to see Calculus falling apart in 3rd dimension. So why is
Calculus so weak as an enterprise that it is not able to generalize
into the 3rd dimension, and we only piecewise compute integration and
differentiation in 3rd dimension?
Is it because in Physics, velocity is linked to energy, but volume is
not linked to anything of physical forces. Can we say a Force is a
volume measure? So when we have F = m*a that the integral in 3rd
dimension is m*a and the derivative is acceleration?
Archimedes Plutonium
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whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
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Title: Calculus can tell us whether Big-Bang or Atom Totality is true Re: revamping the teaching of the Calculus by using a geometrical explanati 13 Jan 2006 12:59:12 AM
Martin Wanvik wrote:

I am guessing it was Fermat who came up with the
chord concept to
obtain the slope of a arbitrary point on a smooth
curve. Anyway, most
textbooks of Calculus omit the Chord concept and that
is bad news
because the Chord concept is better than any
algebraic concept to
understanding the derivative and how it is linked to
the integral.


My calculus textbook doesn't mention the chord concept directly, although it uses the word "secant", which is a line extension of a chord. (a line segment connecting two points on a curve). The concept of a secant is directly involved in the definiton of the derivative, since given
some h > 0, the number

s(x;h) = 1/h [f(x + h) - f(x)]

is nothing more than the slope of the extension of the line segment between the points ( x, f(x)) and (x+h, f(x+h)). The derivative is defined to be

f'(x) = lim_{h --> 0} s(x;h)

whenever it exists. (the secant approaches a tangent)

The old thread was getting too long and so this new
thread.

I been meaning to ask a historical question about
Newton and Leibniz
concerning the discovery of the Calculus. In Newton's
Principia, if my
memory serves me, Newton made a mistake by calling
energy as m*v, not
m*v^2. The v^2 is area and the integral is an area.
And it was Leibniz
who claimed energy is m*v^2. So my question is, does
this historical
facts indicate that Leibniz had a better grasp of the
Calculus rather
than Newton's fluxions. Did Leibniz get the energy
correct because of
Calculus?


I can't really answer that as I know almost nothing of the history here, although I would like to point out that the quantity m*v is usually called momentum and energy is 1/2 * m * v^2, not m*v^2.

So, now, what about 3rd dimension where a summation
of cross-sections
of a object in 3rd dimension would be the volume of
the object and so
the integral in 3rd dimension should be easy and
strong, but now what
about derivative in 3rd dimension? If the integral is
summation of
cross-sections what is the derivative? What is the
generalization of a
chord in 3rd dimension.


A chord is a line segment between two points on a curve. Why do you see a problem with "generalizing" this to dimension 3, or any dimension for that matter? Also, the relationship between integral and derivative (actually, there are several types) is not so simple in higher dimensions, as it is in 1 dimension where you have the fundamental theorem of calculus

int_{a}^{b} f'(x) dx = f(b) - f(a)

So we seem to see Calculus falling apart in 3rd
dimension. So why is
Calculus so weak as an enterprise that it is not able
to generalize
into the 3rd dimension, and we only piecewise compute
integration and
differentiation in 3rd dimension?


Calculus is alive and well in higher dimensions, even for maps between arbitrary manifolds. You've never taken a course in multivariable calculus, have you?

Is it because in Physics, velocity is linked to
energy, but volume is
not linked to anything of physical forces. Can we say
a Force is a
volume measure?


How? It is generally a vector quantity, where its norm has units of Newtons. How can that be a measure of volume, which has units of m^3?

So when we have F = m*a that the
integral in 3rd
dimension is m*a and the derivative is acceleration?


Integral of what? Acceleration is the time derivative of velocity. Multiply it by the scalar quantity mass, and you've got yourself another vector quantity called force. Alternatively, force is the (time) derivative of momentum,
m*v.

Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies

Martin, just yesterday I posted about whether the forces of Physics
should tell us whether the Big Bang is true or whether the Atom
Totality theory is true. Because each of those two different theories
would have a different system of forces. In that post I said in a Big
Bang theory the forces should be more "passive and dissipative" In an
Atom Totality theory EM would be the dominant Universal force and that
the other forces pair up as EM in a localized region and the character
of forces of physics in an Atom Totality would be active and
regenerative, which we see in the world outer space.
As far as I am concerned the biggest science news story of last year
was a news report that Cosmic Rays are responsible for lightening
bolts. Utterly amazing. And that ties in with the Dirac new
radioactivity which I expanded as Cosmic Radioactive Materialization
for which planets and stars grow, where the strong-nuclear-force pairs
together with the weak-nuclear force to form a nuclear EM force. But I
stray here, and I should get back to your last paragraph.
Is the Integral and Derivative in 3rd dimension able to be the force
and acceleration? Is the Integral and Derivative in 2nd dimension able
to be energy versus velocity? Then there would not be a calculus in 4th
or higher dimensions because there is no physics in 4th or higher
dimensions.
So, as to Martin's last paragraph which set me to thinking for the
entire day. Can the limitations and restrictions of the Calculus tell
us whether the Big Bang is true or false and the Atom Totality is true
or false? I believe it can. So if Calculus is really a mathematical
restatement of the Physics canonical conjugate dual pairs in the
Uncertainty Principle where you have pairwise energy versus time, and
you have momentum versus position. In terms of Calculus that translates
into energy versus velocity and you further translate force versus
acceleration.
The fact that Calculus cannot generalize into 4th dimension or higher
dimensions is because Physics stops at 3 dimensions. There are no
physical terms of meaning in 4th dimension or higher. There are only
physical terms such as momentum, energy, force in dimensions of 1,2,3.
Now in a Big Bang theory if it were true, I speculate, would not stop
with 3rd dimension and would have physical meaning in 4th dimension and
higher such as string theory. In the Atom Totality theory, atoms stop
with 3rd dimension and EM is the only force and is 3 dimensional.
So, the Calculus itself tells me that Big Bang is false and Atom
Totality is true, because if the Big Bang were true then Calculus would
be fresh and fertile and expanding and at home in 4th dimension, 5th
dimension etc etc. But if Calculus stops and ends in 3rd dimension
means that the entire Universe is so constructed that there is no 4th
dimension or higher dimensions.
Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
.
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Title: Re: Calculus can tell us whether Big-Bang or Atom Totality is true Re: revamping the teaching of the Calculus by using a geometrical explanati 13 Jan 2006 01:10:56 AM
What I am trying to say is that if we look at only Physics and what
terms can be gotten out of the Uncertainty Principle of its canonical
conjugate dual pairs such as energy to time or such as momentum to
position, or such as force to acceleration (where we alter the momentum
to position to that of force to acceleration. What I am saying is that
this issue of Physics determines the whole body of knowledge that is
the mathematics of Calculus.
The way the Universe is constructed is what becomes dual pairs of the
Uncertainty Principle which then determines the Calculus itself. And if
force and acceleration that the maximum dual pairs, means that the
Universe itself stops at 3rd dimension and the the Calculus stops at
3rd dimension.
This is a beautiful way of saying that Physics determines all of
mathematics and that mathematics is just a small subset of physics.
Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
.


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Title: Re: revamping the teaching of the Calculus by using a geometrical explanation; Chord concept 13 Jan 2006 03:21:49 AM
Now I wonder if Leibniz derived the term for energy as mass*velocity^2
whereas Newton derived energy as mass*velocity, whether that was a
difference in their understanding of Calculus? Whether Leibniz realized
from the Calculus that energy had to be a velocity squared. Or whether
it had to be found from empirical data. And I do not know if Leibniz
was an experimenter.
If my memory serves me correctly, it was Dutch scientist who
experimented with falling balls into a clay like substance and if
energy was m*v or m*v^2 then the impression left behind in the clay, of
the cavity formed would be 4 times deeper with 2x the energy.
So I am curious whether Newton's Fluxions failed him and yet successful
to Leibniz's method of the Calculus, because energy is a integral with
velocity as its derivative tangent.
Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
.


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